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Credit to the people. and

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they're trying to prove the innocence of their

46:03

client. It's just like, oh yeah, what

46:06

do you think about this? And then we're like, yeah,

46:08

that's no good. And then it's like, okay, well, what

46:10

do you think about that? What they have that we

46:12

don't have is the evidence against their client. And

46:15

so to me, I view this defense

46:18

team as like, I'm a

46:20

decent boxer, but I'm going

46:22

up against a better

46:24

boxer. So if I

46:26

just box this individual, I have

46:28

no chance of winning. But if I

46:30

can make it a street fight and I

46:33

can get them to not box me, but just fight

46:35

me, then maybe I have a

46:37

chance. And that's how I kind of view

46:39

this defense team. I'm going to go Ben

46:41

Stiller on that. Going

46:44

to get all Ben Stiller on you. So

46:46

details of the crimes revealed. That's what a

46:49

lot of the people that

46:51

have followed this case for so long

46:53

will be intrigued by the potential of

46:55

what, uh, details of

46:57

the crimes and details of the investigation,

46:59

because all of this was very hush,

47:02

hush, and a lot of hold back

47:04

information for a long period of time

47:06

here. So people want to

47:08

know what, what will we learn at

47:10

this trial? And you honed in on

47:12

something perfect. This is one of the

47:15

first snippets is,

47:17

and I have a good rundown of

47:19

it here. Let me read this to

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you. Abigail Williams in Liberty, German decided

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to walk across the Monin High bridge

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above Deer Creek, but they were not

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alone. This is coming from the state.

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Mcleelan says bridge guy used

47:31

a gun to force them down the hill

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to do what he wanted. That's a quote.

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He said, Alan was interrupted and

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forced the girls to cross the

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creek where he had them undressed

47:43

before he killed them. He threw

47:45

their clothes in Deer Creek, and

47:47

then he fled the area. This

47:50

is interesting. The way that this

47:52

is worded that Alan was interrupted

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and then forced the girls to

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cross the creek where he had

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them undressed before. of

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murder, two intentional and two felony counts

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of murder. And

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those are my big takeaway

52:07

from what we've learned so far. Yeah.

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Um, the, I, from

52:12

my understanding, two

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of those counts is for murder,

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uh, murder being the result in the process

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of, of trying to commit

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a kidnapping. The, the

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thing here is with these confessions,

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true, false, or otherwise somewhere in between,

52:30

who knows we should

52:33

be, if whichever confession, maybe all

52:35

of them, maybe just some of

52:37

them will be presented at trial

52:39

and we're going to get to

52:41

hear the details, maybe

52:43

not word for word, but some

52:45

of them were recorded, some

52:47

of them were written. And

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so some of those, we should get

52:52

word for word and we will be

52:54

able to, the jury more importantly, we'll

52:56

be able to hear that

52:58

information and try to decide for

53:01

themselves, is this, does

53:03

this lead to this guy's falsely

53:06

confessing over and over again, or he's

53:08

truthfully confessing, or he's doing it, doing

53:10

a little bit of both along the

53:12

way, because here's the thing. The defense

53:14

could spin it, some of these

53:16

things and put a good spin on it and

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say, look, he's confessing

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to people that aren't even dead that

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he killed people that aren't even dead.

53:25

Well, yes and no,

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he could be saying, I killed my

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whole family. Uh, guess what?

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He's been sitting in a cell, not

53:34

seeing his family. He's

53:37

probably wondering if he's found

53:40

guilty, will he have

53:42

any family left? And

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maybe that's what he means by I killed

53:47

my whole family. You know, it's hard to

53:49

say without having, yeah, it's

53:51

hard to say without having the details of

53:54

those confessions. And so that's one thing that's

53:56

going to be really interesting

53:58

to. piece through and

54:01

kind of sort out there. My

54:04

big takeaway was the amount of witnesses

54:06

that they were going to be calling

54:08

for both sides, because what

54:11

I was wondering captain was like I'm going

54:13

through the hearings and following

54:16

the hearings that was leading up to

54:18

this trial and the judge threw a

54:20

lot of stuff out. And a

54:23

lot of that I agreed with, but I

54:25

kind of sat there afterwards going, well what's

54:27

going to be left to talk about at

54:29

the trial and saying that it's going to

54:31

be a five, six week process. I

54:34

question, well, how long lengthy is this trial

54:36

going to be when so much stuff has

54:38

been tossed out? I was thinking we're probably

54:40

looking after you get through jury selection. We're

54:42

probably looking at a two week trial, but then

54:44

we get told 50 witnesses

54:47

more than so 55 witnesses, approximately

54:49

for the state 120 or so for

54:52

the defense. This

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seems like it's shaking out to be what

54:57

it was said to be a while back

54:59

that we should expect

55:01

a five week trial, 21 days

55:03

or so opening statements starting this

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Friday. I'll be intrigued to

55:09

see if they take it for the entirety

55:11

of the day. I would expect so. I

55:14

wouldn't expect that you would just do opening

55:16

statements for each side and, and, and

55:18

rest for the day. I don't think that that would be the

55:20

right way to handle it. But again, I'm, I'm

55:23

not in, I'm not in charge. This is

55:25

not, not my show of course. Um,

55:27

but we will keep an eye

55:29

on it. And I know everybody else out

55:32

there is keeping an eye on it. And

55:34

regardless, this is getting us closer to something

55:36

that we started that unfortunately had to start

55:39

so long ago. And I do

55:41

want to remind everybody during this

55:44

process, especially during this process, the,

55:47

this is going to be very

55:49

difficult for a lot of families.

55:53

The next couple of weeks, the next several

55:55

weeks are going to be very difficult for

55:57

a lot of families. And

55:59

so let's. everybody, please keep that in

56:01

mind. Act accordingly.

56:04

If you wish, say a prayer. Give

56:07

strength to these people. They've been

56:09

through a lot is

56:12

the understatement of the year. And

56:16

they're going to be going through a

56:18

lot, unfortunately, again, in the

56:20

next several weeks.

56:30

I want

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to thank everybody for joining us here

56:39

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56:41

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