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Absolutely
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full right up to the front of my eyes
2:03
with bitterness that I didn't stay
2:05
and see that game Even if I had
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got a ticket Charlie and Tim you were
2:10
there in person What
2:12
did you make of it? Overall and
2:14
really we can cut to what did you make of the
2:16
last 15 minutes really can't wait Charlie?
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Yeah, I don't
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Well, I didn't there's anything there's only few
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things sweeter than a Turning
2:25
a defeat into victory with a couple
2:27
of late goals. It's an incredible feeling
2:30
having that and there's always that thing When you get one, there's
2:32
just this feeling of never to but you know, we're gonna do it We're
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gonna get another one and it really felt like that throw
2:37
in the fact to do it against the team That's been time wasting
2:40
like Sheffield United had and so the
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only reason that you were playing so late was
2:44
as a direct consequence Of their time wasting
2:47
and it was just to have joy
2:49
mixed with shard and froyder It's just
2:51
an amazing cocktail and that's
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what Saturday was it really doesn't get
2:56
much better than that, you know So that hence
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the wild celebrations. It doesn't matter who you're playing
3:00
because also You you start
3:02
to hate the opposition so much
3:04
you start to hate players that you probably haven't heard of before
3:07
that day with such A burning passion
3:09
and then to have that release is yes
3:12
Just what being football fans all about gives them a metaphorical
3:14
slap round the back of the head is a great joy Isn't
3:17
it when they're being full for time wasted before
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they've taken the lead Tim what did
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you make of it? Because that you know, you're You're
3:25
not that, you know, I haven't been a regular
3:27
Spurs correspondent now you're fully indoctrinated
3:30
in the in the true way What
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about the stadium after the first goal went
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in the limbs were insane actually
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I love the Ricciardo Scott because I don't think
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a lot of the people in the stadium knew who scored Because
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he didn't sort of linger and celebrate on
3:44
his own He was sort of you know back to center circle
3:47
and was huddled straight away because he's gonna win the
3:49
game course Yeah, exactly and then and
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then his picture came up and they said who'd scored
3:53
on the on the screen and on the speaker system
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And it was the cheer was as loud
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as for the goal. Really? Everyone was so so
4:00
happy with the identity of the goal scorer. And
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then obviously the winner, the Limbs and the Sad Sand
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were just crazy and the celebrations
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lasted a good sort of at least
4:09
five minutes. There was nobody leaving after
4:11
full time with the players
4:13
and then post a cold glue. And then, I mean,
4:16
I left the stadium like an hour and a half
4:18
after full time and they were still singing in the
4:20
streets. They still stood
4:22
outside the pubs. They still queue in to
4:25
get into Chick King. People are smiling.
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And it was similar after the Man United game,
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but
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you don't expect it for Chef United at home as well.
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So yeah, really, you can feel
4:34
it. You can really feel it when you're in the stadium.
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It's one thing watching it and talking about
4:39
it. And yes, Spurs are great and Spurs are different, but you
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can feel something transforming
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and a bit of a revolution happening. It's quite powerful to be
4:46
honest.
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And Natalie, I don't think you were
4:49
there, but let's talk about the wider
4:51
issues surrounding Richarlison who, as you say,
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you know. But
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watching him get the equaliser
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and then assisting the winner, after
5:01
the... Never mind the months
5:03
he's had, after the week he'd had with
5:06
the disallowed goal for Brazil and the rest of
5:08
it. I mean, it must have been... Well,
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what did you make of the fact that it was Richarlison who turned
5:12
the game for Spurs?
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Oh, it's such a great story. I really...
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I think I've said
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this before. I really like Richarlison because he's
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such a lovely guy. And I know sometimes
5:23
he comes across very differently. But when
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I saw that his quarter goal, I instantly
5:27
thought he really had this power
5:30
of turning adversity to
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his favour. And we've seen this happening
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throughout his career in other moments, but we
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haven't seen it much at first.
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At first, things were different. He
5:42
didn't seem comfortable
5:45
or confident. And we think
5:47
that that's been happening in his personal life.
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And after everything that he said and
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just... You see how
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passion can really have an effect on
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his game, either if it's upon the... a positive
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effect or a negative effect. He's a very
6:02
emotional guy. So when
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he gives the interview after international
6:07
break and he talks about his struggles, it's
6:10
all very spontaneous. And he's
6:12
this type of guy. He's very, he's
6:14
very spontaneous. And
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when you see the goal and you
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kind of see that switch, you know,
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the passion coming and all
6:24
the feelings, he just leaves everything
6:26
on the pitch. And I really like this
6:29
from him because you can see this, this all the
6:31
time. If you speak to him, if you interview
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him, if you see him play and
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I hope he can have
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more of these moments of turning this, this
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fire that he has into something
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positive. Yeah,
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we'll talk more about what's happened to him with you
6:46
in a few minutes time. One personal
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thing about it, the,
6:51
the spur of celebrations at the end work, never
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mind the limbs on the pitch. They were quite
6:55
insane as well. And of
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course that meant on social media, look
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at Spurs celebrating like they've
7:01
won the Champions League. Do shut
7:04
up, shut your fat faces, every one
7:06
of you. Listen, not
7:08
only had we'd never seen this before
7:10
in English football, an equalizer and a
7:12
winner so late into a game and ignore
7:15
the fact that in fact the Spurs were breaking
7:17
their own record for this Leicester 18 months
7:20
ago. All that proves of course that
7:22
Spurs keep going sometimes and that
7:24
they're often behind towards the ends of the game. So
7:26
it's not that, but the rest of you shut
7:28
up. I mean, it's only a minority. I don't
7:30
know that much celebration policing was there.
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Oh, I saw that. Maybe I, it's
7:34
more in my timeline then perhaps, Charlie,
7:37
because you know, people want to needle me about
7:39
it really. And they have done and
7:42
you know, let people support the club
7:44
whatever way they want. Hello, Potsa
7:46
Koglu said much the same thing afterwards
7:48
about being overconfident. And
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I'm going to say something that I promised myself I wouldn't say on the
7:52
podcast, because real life
7:55
and football are slightly different things. But in
7:57
the court, anyone who falls on Twitter will know in the course of the
7:59
last week. I have lost not one
8:01
but two people. They weren't very
8:04
close friends. They were work colleagues One
8:07
of them 35 years of age. She got a brain tumor
8:09
and died in Matt in Madi on hope who I did a show with 6 to 7 10
8:13
9 years ago. She was absolutely wonderful And
8:15
so it reminded me and Jilo
8:17
Jelska brothers used to work at transport for years a
8:20
shuffle off small coil Look if
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you need reminding these are the things that remind
8:24
you the good things in life are
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not guarantees They're not always permanent.
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So for God's sake, you know Open
8:31
the open the top of the bottle and let it out Enjoy
8:34
things while you can because the rest of it the stuff that will slap
8:36
me down It will be along as sure as
8:39
the next German train. It will be
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absolutely as reliably along as that So
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allow everyone else to support the club how they want
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their own club and if they over celebrate It's
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okay. You should enjoy that if you're one of those think look
8:50
at them oversell of enjoy it because next week We'll
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wake up. We'll wake up to spurs will stop
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their toe fall flat on their face and you can
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enjoy that Can I say so then it was one of those
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games? I've had this conversation with people before
9:02
but where you just think imagine not having football
9:04
in your life Because it can it
9:06
can do this to you and I
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didn't I just I honestly I'm just so
9:11
grateful to have it And I do it like there's
9:13
only God What else can
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you know an experience like that again
9:18
for something seemingly so run-of-the-mill a home game against
9:20
Jeffrey? United which would seem so as
9:22
if you know hence your decision would have seemed a
9:24
smart one in a way not to go to That game because
9:27
you know you have to shove it at home You're thinking it's
9:29
hardly gonna be this sort of like amazing out
9:31
of body experience and yet you you
9:33
know It just does things to you I'm sure there were so
9:35
many fans who still when they went to bed couldn't
9:38
sleep because the adrenaline still Cursing
9:40
through them and adrenaline chicken and
9:42
lager. Yeah But yeah,
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it's just an amazing thing So
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you might you make you make a very pertinent point
9:50
of course these feelings that Spurs fans enjoyed
9:52
this week Someone else will get next week and
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it makes the game unique and
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I added to that I think Tim is
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the fact that The English Premier League obviously
10:03
managed to sit in one or two others a way, way ahead,
10:06
but still the teams at the bottom can
10:08
threaten the better teams. Every
10:12
game is a possibility of something amazing
10:14
happening. I mean, Sheffield United fans would have
10:16
had a brilliant day if their
10:19
totally undeserved goal
10:22
had won them the game. I think the Premier
10:24
League still does that as well as almost any league
10:26
in the world. The German, the Bundesliga, the
10:29
bottom teams do have a goal as well. Certainly they had
10:31
more of a goal than Sheffield United had.
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Everybody except Luton can do something down the way by the look
10:35
of things. I was impressed
10:37
with Sheffield United actually. They had their moment
10:39
as well. Their celebrations,
10:42
we talked about celebrations, theirs for the opening
10:44
goal, which was scored right in front of them, they
10:47
were something special. I don't know what their emotions
10:49
would have been travelling home, but they would have had an amazing day up
10:51
until the 96th minute and certainly not what they were
10:53
expecting either. I know a lot more
10:55
about Sheffield United than they did before the game. I was saying to Charlie
10:58
in the opening minutes, I know
11:00
as little about Sheffield United as any other Premier League
11:02
team I think. But by the end, you knew all
11:05
about Ollie McBurney's traffic light boots
11:07
and Wes Foderingham's spoiling tactics
11:10
and yeah, interesting game, very
11:12
interesting game, learned a lot. We should say as well,
11:14
Danny, that we're not for this new directive
11:17
about clamping down on time wasting. In seasons gone
11:19
by, even
11:20
with that same amount of time wasting, there was
11:22
a sort of unwritten rule that you just don't get more than seven
11:25
minutes, maybe eight maximums. So they
11:28
wouldn't have won this game. Maybe they could have drawn if it
11:30
had been a very generous referee back in
11:32
the day. But yeah, otherwise we'd be sat
11:34
here talking about a game that ended after 96
11:37
minutes and I suppose we've lost one now.
11:39
And I mean, Paul Heck in Boston, of course he was disappointed
11:42
going on about it and other
11:44
things. So the refereeing wasn't great. The
11:46
Madison penalty incident was stupid
11:48
and the VAR, what are they doing there for? Well
11:51
the time wasting thing, it strikes me, is
11:53
I can't think of a more
11:56
welcome directive from the administrators
11:58
of football. People
12:01
are paying huge amounts of money to watch football,
12:04
to see teams deliberately denying them
12:06
the ball in play. For instance, that's one
12:08
of the ways you time waste. Never
12:10
mind you trying to close down the opposition, but you're actually denying
12:13
playing time. Honestly, it's
12:16
like you paid 100 quid to go to the theatre to see
12:18
Shakespeare and they only
12:21
do the first two acts. That's enough for us, thanks.
12:24
I'm sure you enjoyed that. It was just great thing.
12:26
Down comes the curtain. No one
12:28
would tolerate that. It's the theatre of God in flames.
12:31
Spoiler tactics for some of the extras. Oh
12:34
yeah, and doing the soliloquy really,
12:36
really slowly. Friends,
12:39
Romans, and the referee walks towards
12:41
the soliloquy. Countryman just
12:44
in time to avoid a yellow card. Nasti,
12:46
what are you... I mean, we don't get a chance to
12:48
talk to you that often, but
12:51
you've seen football in, obviously,
12:53
in other countries as well. The
12:57
mania that surrounds English
12:59
football, the supporters, I
13:01
think, are what makes it. Because
13:04
the Spurs fans were going crazy
13:06
after a routine win,
13:08
you could argue, at Sheffield United. What's
13:10
been your experience of the way English football is? It's
13:12
very interesting,
13:13
because especially this season with
13:15
the added time and the
13:17
longer matches, I find it really
13:19
funny how fans are already
13:22
adapting very quickly. You
13:24
get extra time. You get like six, seven
13:26
minutes and you hear fans saying, oh,
13:29
mowing, and just, what? Only
13:31
six minutes? Only seven minutes? What's
13:33
happening with that? And we've seen this happen
13:36
in so many matches. And I
13:38
find it very interesting how here in England,
13:42
time wasting is really a
13:44
thing. It's really
13:46
a problem. It's an issue. Because
13:49
for South Americans, it's very, very
13:52
annoying in common. Especially
13:54
when you play Libertadores,
13:56
the confidential tournament, and
13:59
arguing. They're really good in time wasting.
14:03
So you grow up getting used
14:04
to it. No, of course not. No,
14:07
we're still learning.
14:09
We're still learning. We know
14:11
nothing about that.
14:12
So no, really,
14:15
we really got used to it. We
14:17
grow up getting used to time wasting.
14:19
And I find it really nice
14:21
that they're actually trying to do something about
14:23
it. But the reaction of the fans
14:26
and everything that comes after. So
14:28
that was at Arsenal Men United before
14:30
the international rank. And we had goals on extra
14:33
time as well. And now that
14:36
match, first Sheffield United,
14:39
it could be a flat match. But
14:41
we had 12 extra minutes. And
14:43
then it turned into this. And
14:46
it's really interesting to see because
14:48
Sheffield United, they
14:50
made things really hard for Man
14:53
City before. So they clearly have
14:55
a plan for this kind of matches. And
14:57
for this kind of situation. And
15:00
it was working until Minute 98. So,
15:03
yeah.
15:04
I mean,
15:06
it's really interesting as well, like what
15:08
it does now for managers,
15:11
re-things like their substitutions. Because
15:13
PostoCogli didn't make a change through the 80th minute. And
15:16
I think a lot of the fans and media were thinking, why
15:20
is he leaving it so late? This is crazy. But
15:22
I asked him afterwards how conscious he
15:24
was that there was going to be a load of injury
15:26
time. Because it's quite important to know that. And
15:29
he said, yes, he was. He had a sense it
15:31
would be about 10 minutes, even
15:33
at that point. So those players were back getting 20
15:35
minutes game time. Yeah, kind of. Which
15:37
is a really big difference, isn't it? Because if you're a fan
15:39
and it's the 70th minute versus the 80th minute,
15:42
you're going to be a lot, you're going to be very
15:44
different in terms of how like answer you are about no
15:46
subs. So I think we're going to have to get
15:48
used to this as supporters and as
15:50
journalists. Because it was really weird.
15:52
The board goes up and it's 12 minutes. I'm
15:55
thinking, God, it's actually like the 78th minute. That's
15:58
not that late. There
16:00
is like well you see lots of games one
16:02
from 75th many onwards. Yeah, yeah,
16:04
so yeah Brilliant
16:07
it does change the picture I would just say one other
16:10
thing and this was something Tim and I talked about
16:12
Kind of when I think when 12 went up
16:15
you do slightly have to question how well How
16:18
much control a referee has had on it if
16:20
you're having to add on another 12 minutes?
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I mean referees have yellow cards
16:25
They have that deterrent. I
16:27
do wonder why they don't use them more Well
16:30
the the the foddering one was ridiculous child
16:32
because he got he got booked for a handball in the
16:34
first half He didn't actually get booked for time wasted
16:36
I know all the time wasted did which was a lot
16:39
and he would a hundred percent have been but
16:41
if he had been But yeah, I'm born the first off. So that was so
16:43
the reference Charlie strikes me. Yes, very sorry Tim
16:46
The the yellow cards not being handed out because they're always
16:48
afraid to give out yellow cards Okay, she ended up six against
16:50
seven, but they clearly being told how
16:53
much added time to put on We don't have official
16:55
time keepers, but they are being told
16:57
I don't think the referees are deciding 12 minutes.
16:59
They've been told us Absolutely. Yeah,
17:02
but even more supports the point because it's
17:04
basically, you know, it's like you're superior
17:06
saying yeah I'm afraid to say there's
17:08
been so much time wasted which is You
17:11
know kind of plays Taking
17:14
the piss a little bit and we're going to
17:16
need an extra almost 30% of the half But
17:20
the sub psychological thing here is that
17:22
it you know, in my mind I think a good the
17:24
team that's doing the time wasting is being punished
17:27
here So the other cards are getting 12 extra
17:29
minutes But of course you're gonna get a situation
17:31
where the team that's been time wasting
17:33
suddenly finds themselves behind and they'll
17:35
be rewarded By the extra time
17:38
but you can't make that moral judgment. They're wasting
17:40
the time. Therefore they won't get it So my stock tree
17:42
mid-flight a beg your pardon No,
17:45
no, I was just gonna have a bit bit of a rant about the referee
17:47
to be honest because it was one of many Decisions
17:49
that he got that he got right. Let me say one other thing in the interest
17:51
of fairness We're
17:53
all being I was being critical of Sheffield United
17:56
in the way they played I don't see
17:58
how that's insane for their fans Of course, they nearly got
18:00
away with it, but Spurs fans, we
18:03
don't need to be getting on about Sheffield United. There's
18:05
lots of people, again, we're doing in real time because
18:07
that's exactly how Spurs played for the last three
18:09
years. Let's not forget that very
18:11
quickly. That sitting on the edge of our box
18:14
and hoping to get something from a set piece was exactly
18:16
how Spurs have played and failed
18:18
to entertain people over the last three years. So no room for criticism
18:21
here. I think that's a little harsh. There's
18:23
a bit of revisionism with content.
18:26
A bit? I'm all for it. I'm
18:29
airbrushing them out of history. Totally rewriting history.
18:31
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. But,
18:33
mate, why would I go in for a bit? No, you're all right. To
18:35
be absolutely scrupulously fair, there
18:38
was the end of the last two months of the season
18:40
before last where they played some decent stuff. There.
18:43
Is that true? Does that help? Yeah,
18:45
that goes somewhere. Yeah. Yeah,
18:48
but he's the revision police. I don't like that.
18:51
Tim, just give us a run through, reasonably
18:54
quickly, because I'm sure everyone's watched the game now, at least the highlights, 20
18:56
times. Who were the stars
18:58
for Spurs? Rachaela Senn's late back,
19:01
which will come onto him in a second notwithstanding.
19:03
Yeah, Rachaela Senn. I thought Kuleszewski stepped up
19:06
a little bit. I mean, it's his fault for the goal.
19:08
So it was a bit of redemption, actually, for the
19:11
winner for him. It
19:13
was a bit more of a... It was a frustrating afternoon, Danny,
19:15
by all accounts. I thought Madison was
19:18
shut down a bit in the second half, which played a
19:20
big part. You know, Chef United's tactics,
19:23
you know, five at the back, deep-lying
19:25
defence, particularly in the second half. But
19:28
to be honest, the game went pretty much as expected, because
19:30
Chef United have conceded the most shots in the Premier
19:32
League this season, and Spurs have had the most shots.
19:34
So you expected that. You expected a frustrating
19:37
afternoon. And
19:40
in true view from the lane fashion,
19:42
I did suggest
19:44
as much last week, Danny, you'll remember that
19:47
Rachaela Senn, it was sort of the game for him to
19:49
come on, and it was more suited to him. I
19:51
thought Spurs found it a bit frustrating in terms
19:53
of Senn, didn't get much space in behind the
19:55
defence, which again, you'd expect. And
19:58
most of the shots were going to their mid-game. Fielders, Busumu
20:01
and Saar, whose like goal scoring record
20:03
is a slight concern really, they don't look like naturals
20:05
in front of the goal. So yeah, I would say from
20:07
a Spurs point of view, I did think that they let
20:10
Sheffield United's tactics and the referee
20:12
sort of go to their heads a little bit and they lost clarity
20:14
of thought in the second half and their patterns of attack
20:17
were a bit muddled and yeah,
20:19
I was expecting changes from Postock Hoggley. They came
20:21
late, they came after the goal. I was expecting,
20:23
I know we talked earlier about the amount of stoppage time but I
20:26
was expecting them earlier than that because Spurs just looked
20:28
like they lacked clarity of
20:30
thought and were desperate, starting to get
20:32
a bit desperate. They were trying to win penalties and
20:36
you couldn't see it coming for a period
20:38
of time. Well, you didn't get the penalty for Madison,
20:40
you're not going to get a for diving are you? Yeah,
20:42
exactly. Yeah, they were going down far too easily after
20:45
that but yeah, it was an afternoon for
20:47
patience as it turned out an awful lot. First of all, because
20:49
Natalie is a stranger to the part, although
20:51
a very welcome stranger, 21 minutes
20:54
there, Natalie, before somebody said, now, I
20:56
was right about this. It's the absolute
20:59
trademark. He was
20:59
right about Richard, an absolute trademark of
21:02
the podcast. I was right. Although I did tell
21:04
Natalie before we started recording what I'm
21:06
about to say, which is taking credit and I'm glad 10
21:08
team me up so I wasn't the first one to do
21:10
it. But Dan Kilpatrick will back me up here.
21:12
If he doesn't, he's bullshitting. When
21:15
Perrisic went to take the corner, I said
21:18
to Dan, suppose you're going to score here near Post-Hedda,
21:20
which is what happened. And he then looked at me in
21:23
that way. You know that Henri and Carriga
21:25
thing that had where he puts his hand on his knee
21:27
and Carriga looks really weirdly at the camera. It
21:29
reminded me of that look from Dan. It's like, oh
21:32
my God. Sorry you did. Sorry, yes. Sure you
21:34
said that.
21:36
I didn't say anything of this sort, but I've
21:38
been thinking it. One of the ways that you have
21:40
to replace Kane's
21:43
prodigious output is with expertise.
21:45
And what I mean by that is people have
21:47
got to do the things they're very good at. And the equalizer
21:50
was Perrisic, who was his detractors,
21:54
but he can kick a dead boy. He's
21:56
a brilliant deliverer of football. And
21:58
it went to a place where defenders would
22:00
not want it. And then you have to have somebody who can head
22:02
a football. Everybody heads
22:04
the ball, but then there are people who are good at actually
22:07
heading it. And Rachael is one of those.
22:09
Again, we've not seen enough of that because the Premier
22:11
League doesn't go for headed goals. And so you've got one
22:14
piece of expertise added to another piece of expertise.
22:17
And that I suppose is going to need a lot of those in
22:19
the course of the next nine months to make
22:21
up, as I say, for the output that we're getting from Kane. Also,
22:23
we should give Natalie her due because the two
22:26
times she's come with us has come has
22:28
scored at home for Spurs have followed us saying to
22:30
Natalie, can you come on the pod
22:35
following the game? It can't be a
22:37
coincidence. He knows
22:39
he needs to turn it on. So she has nice things to say
22:41
about it. Yeah. Well, let's
22:44
turn to that because otherwise we're wasting
22:46
Natalie and that would be a shame. And
22:48
we'll talk about Post or Coggloo talking about the momentum hold
22:50
issues. But let's take a much wider picture here.
22:53
You know him better than the rest of us. And
22:55
that's where you can also read what's going on. The Brazilian
22:58
press in a way that, you know, just I'm sure, I
23:00
mean, short him and particularly Charlie will have
23:02
learned Portuguese for this very
23:04
purpose. What has been going on? Can
23:07
you what detail can you add to what we're hearing so
23:09
far about Rachael? It came out
23:11
after the substitution playing for Brazil,
23:13
the tears. Give us a timeline
23:16
of what what's been going on up to this
23:18
point where he gets his goal. Hopefully it'll be some
23:20
redemption. But looking back three, four, 15
23:24
months, I don't know what's been going on. What do you
23:26
know?
23:26
I think there's there's obviously the
23:29
the adaptation time and the he
23:31
not getting along with Conte and
23:34
we've already discussed this once
23:36
how he gets along with managers
23:39
who are more affection towards
23:41
him. Affection was towards
23:43
him like Marco Silva was that was for
23:46
the cello and teaching the national
23:48
squad. So Rachael son and Conte,
23:50
they were not a good match period.
23:53
And then in the past few months,
23:56
he's been going through some some problems in
23:58
his personal life because He's been
24:00
with this agent for a very, very
24:02
long time and this agent of him,
24:05
they have a very close
24:09
relationship. It's not only a professional
24:11
relationship. When Richardis and moved to
24:14
London, I remember going to
24:16
his house to do an interview with him
24:18
and he was there with his agent, the
24:21
wife's agent
24:23
and barely furnished. Really,
24:26
it was
24:27
just that and he was helping
24:29
him with everything and he moved to London as
24:31
well to help Richardis. Richard
24:34
is very close to his family but this
24:36
guy is kind of like a second father
24:38
to him.
24:40
Recently, in the past few months,
24:43
he's been going through his agency, has
24:45
been going through some personal issues and
24:47
Richardis has kind of got involved
24:50
with these personal issues that also
24:53
were related a little bit with money
24:55
as well. So
24:56
Richardis is this really emotional
24:59
guy and this
25:02
is very clear if you sit on the pitch.
25:05
He's very emotional but he
25:08
wasn't able to
25:09
set things apart. He was
25:11
having this situation with his life
25:14
and Brazilian press was reporting that he
25:16
and his agents were not together anymore.
25:18
They were not working together anymore and this is not
25:21
clear yet if his agent did
25:23
fill with him or not but the fact
25:25
is they are getting
25:27
along better. The situation as
25:30
a whole is better but these past few
25:32
months were an
25:34
issue and this is very common with Brazilian
25:36
players. Once they have
25:39
a follow out with their agents or people
25:41
who are very close to him or
25:43
to them, other people
25:45
approach this player
25:48
trying to offer him help
25:50
but in the end trying to get money. With
25:53
footballers, this happens all the time.
25:55
They have people all around them all
25:57
the time and sometimes it's even family.
25:59
It's not the case, but sometimes it's different
26:02
families trying to get money from them. And
26:05
all this mess has been happening with
26:07
Richard Wilson in the past few months.
26:09
And I think the fact that
26:11
he kind of broke down when he was in the national
26:14
team is related to the fact that he's
26:16
very comfortable there. He feels very embraced
26:19
and he loves being the national team. And
26:22
he's home. He's literally home.
26:24
He's in Brazil. So there's
26:26
all this focus and he said, it's not that
26:28
I had a bad match against Bolivia. I wasn't
26:31
prying
26:31
over that. It's just that everything,
26:33
like I just let
26:35
the emotions flow. And after
26:37
the match against Peru, when he spoke to
26:40
the media, I remembered after
26:42
the Man United match, first Man United, I was
26:45
speaking to Charlie, actually, I was telling him this story.
26:47
I went to the mix zone and I wanted to speak
26:49
to Richard Wilson. And Richard Wilson
26:52
walked by with Emerson, Royale,
26:55
and I asked if he could give
26:57
a word. And he was like, yeah, sure. And he
26:59
laughed and said,
27:00
you think I'm going to say something stupid?
27:02
You like it when I say
27:05
something stupid on the interviews. And then
27:07
we all asked and Emerson was like, don't
27:10
ask him any tough questions because he's going
27:12
to say something stupid. And then it
27:14
just becomes this joke and he jokes
27:16
about it because he's very emotional,
27:19
even with his words. So people
27:21
say, oh, Richard Wilson was very brave,
27:24
speaking about his mental
27:26
health issues. But
27:27
that's like, it wasn't something
27:30
that he planned. I am absolutely positive
27:32
because he says the wrong things. And
27:34
he says the right thing because he's
27:36
very genuine. So he comes
27:38
and he gives this interview talking
27:40
about his mental health issues. And then
27:42
he comes to Spurs,
27:44
comes back, he doesn't start the match,
27:45
but he takes his chance. And
27:48
it's just really a nice story. And it's really
27:50
nice to see how the players
27:52
also embraced him and took
27:54
him to the fans.
27:56
So Natalie, in your judgment, and again,
27:59
you're not on the inside. of this, I know.
28:02
The problems he's had, they're soluble,
28:05
are they? They can be dealt with and when
28:07
he talks about getting help, has
28:10
he allowed himself
28:12
to become so muddled up that
28:14
he does actually need professional help or if
28:17
the other thing was solved, probably
28:19
his agent and other hangers on, would
28:22
that solve the mental health issue in
28:24
and of itself?
28:25
I think it's just separate things. I think his
28:28
problems are definitely probable
28:30
and he's going to sort
28:32
it out completely, definitely. And
28:35
with the health of a professional,
28:37
it's very interesting and I'm constantly
28:40
speaking to my friends here and I've had this conversation
28:42
with Charlie a few times as well. I
28:44
think in Brazil and
28:46
I speak from experience, it is very
28:48
common that people go to therapy.
28:52
They speak more openly about it. Almost
28:55
everyone I know has a therapist and it's
28:57
more accepted in a
28:59
way but we're speaking about the football
29:02
environment. So it is very
29:06
toxic, masculinity oriented
29:09
and in this sense, it is
29:11
really nice and really
29:12
brave that he comes and he talks
29:15
about getting help, getting help from
29:17
a therapist
29:17
or from a psychiatrist.
29:19
And just to give you an example, last season
29:22
I was speaking to Ederson, Manfist is goalkeeper
29:24
and Ederson after the World Cup
29:27
because there was this big talk about mental
29:29
health after the World Cup because
29:31
of the way Brazil left Qatar and
29:34
Ederson said, no, I have a therapist. I've been
29:36
going to
29:37
a therapist for a year now and
29:39
I've done sessions
29:40
during the World Cup actually because
29:42
for me, it was a game changer and it's very important
29:45
and I recommend it to everyone. So
29:47
it happens, I think it happens,
29:49
they speak more openly
29:51
about it there but not
29:54
so openly because it is the football
29:56
environment. So in this sense, I
29:59
welcome surprised that
30:02
he spoke about it because every time a footballer
30:04
speaks about it, it's really nice.
30:07
But in a way, it is part of
30:10
people's lives. And
30:11
I guess, I guess, looking at my colleagues
30:13
here, the difference between what you're
30:15
describing in Brazil, and I'm
30:18
going to say this, you know, it's my
30:20
experience, the Anglo-Saxon world just
30:23
doesn't deal, it's getting much better.
30:26
But you know, stiff upper lip Victorian meaning
30:28
and all that stuff, it still has an amazing
30:30
power to close people down
30:33
in the society in which we all live and
30:35
work. If I might
30:37
move on, excuse me, Tim, Charlie,
30:39
you spoke, it was you who started
30:41
to ask Andrew Postekodlu about
30:44
the issues of mental health in
30:47
Rashadis's case, but he then opened it out to
30:50
the more general thing. That was you, I think, I heard your voice.
30:52
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was so he'd
30:54
been asked about Rashadison more
30:56
generally earlier on in the press conference,
30:59
and he talked a bit about Rashadison
31:01
and then opened it up. But then I wanted
31:03
to ask him, yeah, kind of more, more
31:06
the sport as a whole. And so I asked him where he thought
31:08
football was at with mental health and its importance.
31:12
I think we do understand it's just that we ignore
31:14
it. But you know, who
31:17
in their life doesn't have something that's stressful?
31:19
I mean, I've lived 58 years now.
31:21
And there's never been a time in my life where
31:23
everything is perfect. I lost my father
31:26
three years ago, and he should have been here for the journey. So
31:28
I got to deal with that. Everyone and that's
31:30
just me talking personally, but everybody,
31:32
everyone in this room at this moment, you
31:34
could be
31:35
one part of your life could be flying and but there'll
31:37
be something could be a family member could be a health
31:39
issue could be a financial issue. There's always something
31:41
and footballers are not immune from that. And
31:44
sometimes I think they fall into the trap of thinking they are
31:46
and they're not because just because
31:49
you have you know, money
31:51
or you're really good at something
31:55
life will still find a way to keep a
31:57
balance in that there'll be stuff in there that
31:59
It's going to be stressful. It's going to be upsetting
32:02
and you've got to just deal with that. Yeah He
32:05
said some things that really resonated
32:07
with me One
32:10
of which was that what he
32:12
finds and I'd never thought this back and so imagine
32:15
it he says that often with footballers they almost
32:18
feel like a guilt in You
32:21
know having psychological
32:23
issues or whatever because they're getting paid a fortune.
32:25
They're living everyone's dream They
32:28
might even be in great form, but that doesn't
32:30
insulate you necessarily from having
32:32
issues We all have issues and even
32:34
in like my own way. I sometimes feel it that I'll
32:37
be like I'll feel guilty I'm like
32:39
I've had so much privilege in my life. I'm
32:41
healthy I've got two healthy boys whatever
32:44
and I feel you know I'm really angry
32:46
at the world today And I'm like and I feel then angry
32:48
myself It's like who are you to have
32:50
you know to have this sort of feeling given
32:52
how fortunate you are multiply that? you
32:55
know however many times if you're a
32:57
high-rolling Premier League footballer living everyone's
33:00
dream, and so I think it was just a reminder
33:02
from him that Everyone has things
33:05
Going on in their lives. It was just a really Human
33:08
empathetic response and then I asked him kind of
33:10
you know do enough people understand what you're talking
33:12
about And he said something that was really striking which
33:14
was I think anyone doesn't understand
33:16
things I just think we choose to ignore it. We just
33:19
at times think well. He's a football. He's
33:21
got money What's he got to complain about you
33:24
know of
33:24
course he does but then the football also understand
33:27
that you know his life is not Perfection
33:30
doesn't exist in life. You know plenty
33:32
of people You know who who
33:35
have what we would assume to have
33:37
all the advantages in life who are fairly unhappy
33:40
Yeah, so that's not that doesn't
33:43
exist. So it's just a matter of I
33:45
think for the most part people are You
33:48
know understand that that's the case
33:50
empathetic sometimes. We just choose to ignore it
33:52
because it makes a better Not
33:55
a better story, but it just makes a more impactful
33:57
kind of scenario that you
34:00
know, wow, you know,
34:03
fantastic footballer has problems.
34:06
They all do, mate, you know, they all do. Which
34:10
is an amazing thing to say, really, that,
34:12
you know, it's not that we're not aware of people
34:15
having these issues, it's just that we'd
34:17
rather put it to the backs of our
34:20
minds, because for a lot of people, Richard,
34:22
let's use him as an example, is not a person.
34:24
He's a potential scorer of goals
34:27
or... And an ATM, an
34:29
ATM with legs, you know. Yeah, exactly.
34:33
And I think as well, we just want to say like,
34:36
you then had Wes Fodringham, the Sheffield
34:38
United goalkeeper, speaking about some of the
34:40
abuse he suffered. Which
34:43
we should mention, absolutely. Which is terrible.
34:45
And I just think it's so... This
34:48
is a recurring theme that we, in one breath,
34:51
applaud people for talking about mental health and
34:53
these sorts of things. And I'm sure a lot of
34:55
Spurs fans, you know, who...
34:58
Well, I don't know this, but, you know, he then
35:00
got abuse from Spurs fans, supposedly.
35:04
And I'm sure lots of those people who were abusing him were only
35:06
a day earlier applauding Posto Koglu for
35:08
talking about these issues and about how we
35:10
shouldn't dehumanise footballers. And then there we
35:12
are again, dehumanising someone
35:14
like it, you know. And it's... As he
35:17
himself said, it's fine to, you
35:19
know, get at me during the game, but don't
35:21
take it beyond that into, you know,
35:24
areas of race and... His family.
35:26
His family issues. Yeah, it's just awful. And
35:29
so I think we need to... There
35:31
needs to be more of an appreciation
35:34
all the time, rather than just these big moments. Same
35:36
with something like Dele Alli, where everyone... Of course,
35:38
they said, Greg, that's brilliant that he's spoken about it.
35:40
But then in the next breath, we're abusing
35:42
some other footballer or, you know,
35:45
not really giving due thought to why they might be
35:47
struggling. Listen, we're going to have a break
35:49
now. We're going to let Natalie go because we're moving
35:51
off the topic of Rishal. So she can talk about
35:53
everything. But there's a lot of us in the in the pod here
35:55
today. Given
35:58
what you know, given...
36:00
that the moment of his equalizer in making
36:02
the winner for Risharlison, do
36:04
you think we're going to see the best of him? Now, it's hard to tell and
36:07
maybe get 15 goals between now
36:09
and April.
36:10
Yeah, it is really hard to tell. I could
36:12
sit here and say, no, this is a turning point
36:15
for Risharlison. He's got now he's going to score
36:17
all the goals we're expecting him to score. But
36:19
the truth is, all I can
36:21
say is that the football is there. He's brilliant.
36:24
He was brilliant in other sales of his career.
36:27
He's brilliant with the national team. And
36:29
he just needs to sort things out. I think things
36:31
are more favorable now, in a sense,
36:35
for him this season. With a new manager,
36:38
of course, he needs to adapt as well
36:41
with the style. But I think when once
36:43
he sorts himself out,
36:46
I don't see why we wouldn't
36:48
see a huge improvement because he knows the
36:50
responsibility and he's been
36:52
talking about it openly. I know
36:55
I have a bigger responsibility now
36:57
to score goals. So he needs to deal with
36:59
this as well and incorporate
37:01
that in a positive way. And I really
37:04
hope this happens.
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41:13
I'm Danny Kelly. Tim Spears is here. So
41:15
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41:18
brilliant though she was. A couple of bits
41:20
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41:22
that Jed Spence will be out for several weeks with
41:24
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41:27
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41:29
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41:31
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41:34
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41:39
out where are the Tottenham fans in the style of Jack Wilshere,
41:42
another one who I've got no time for. After
41:44
that question was met with a course of boos, he said,
41:47
still got no bottle. Jamie,
41:49
your team got relegated last year. I'd
41:52
be keeping that neck slightly on the dial.
41:55
Put it in, neck in, Jamie.
42:00
who works on a Rival Spurs podcast
42:02
and therefore we shouldn't be advertising,
42:05
but of course we are open to all competition
42:07
here. And
42:10
it made a brilliant joke, a physical joke about
42:12
Sheffield United's time wasting. He tweeted
42:14
a picture of their bus after the game.
42:17
Sheffield United bus down at the high road. I
42:19
pressed the button at three different crossings
42:22
to waste time. Some will say it's childish,
42:24
I call it calm. He was delaying the Sheffield
42:27
United bus getting out of dodge. Fantastic.
42:31
Let's do this, the rest of the
42:33
podcast with some questions, some really good questions
42:35
as well. You know that now get hold
42:37
of us by email and on
42:40
Twitter and ask questions. Look,
42:43
we can't answer them all. Some of them aren't worth
42:45
answering, but the good ones, we'll get them on.
42:47
Really interested in Ian Greaves here. Do
42:51
we need to introduce it then? Very, very
42:53
pertinent given the discussion we had about the extra
42:55
time being added on for time wasting
42:57
in particular. Do we need to introduce a countdown
43:00
clock for goalkeepers to kick the ball out?
43:02
Tennis has an equivalent. And then he says,
43:04
because you're all radio producers, cue Charlie.
43:08
Tennis correspondent Charlie Eccleshare, do he needs
43:11
to count these goalkeepers
43:13
down? This is very much my sweet
43:15
spot. The length of tennis
43:17
matches has got insane. I wrote
43:19
about this prior to Wimbledon, my
43:22
alter ego covering tennis. What's
43:25
interesting about the shot clock in tennis is
43:28
tennis matches have only got longer since it came in.
43:31
And that's not because
43:33
of it necessarily. But what you are seeing a lot of
43:35
players do is using
43:37
the absolute maximum of
43:40
the 25 seconds because they know they have
43:42
it, which would probably happen in football. What
43:44
you also have is referee.
43:48
It's at the umpire's discretion as to when to start
43:50
the shot clock. And so
43:52
he might decide it's been a particularly long rally
43:55
or the fans may let them
43:57
celebrate. So there
43:59
is an element of... And I imagine something similar would happen
44:01
at football and you'd open up all
44:03
sorts of conspiracy theories with people
44:06
counting down and showing like well Oh, traffic the referee
44:08
allows this amount but
44:10
at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium, it's it's
44:12
this amount So
44:14
I don't think it would be the silver bullet
44:17
some would hope it. Maybe it would work Better
44:21
than maybe it has done in tennis But
44:24
it's a very it is very complicated I mean,
44:26
I know there are people who want football to follow
44:28
rugby's lead rugby stop the clock You
44:31
know like on the TV broadcast and stuff. So you're getting
44:34
what the referee is seeing and I know some
44:36
people
44:37
Would want that as well. I mean rugby
44:39
matches well have got so long
44:41
You know that they take ages now and you
44:43
don't see the stoppage time the same way because it's just
44:45
a stop clock But you know things like 12-minute
44:48
stoppage time is I don't think is
44:50
that unusual in rugby? So yeah,
44:52
it'd be interesting to see as an experiment
44:55
to see this sort of stop clock idea
44:57
But I think it does have it tends to have unintended
44:59
consequences and that's a little bit what's happened
45:02
in tennis
45:02
Ian talks about goal kicks in his question
45:05
But goal kicks have changed immeasurably
45:07
in the past sort of you know 10 years in terms
45:09
of how important they are to a team playing out from
45:11
the back now and you know there are people whose job
45:13
it is to To plan goal
45:15
kicks now as well as all other set pieces They
45:17
get the most attention from fans naturally because just
45:20
because they do but I'm sure A
45:22
defensive free kick or you know with the Arsenal's
45:25
corner was highlighted a match today last night. I think it
45:27
was 27 seconds. They took For
45:30
the corner leading to their goal. So if
45:32
you're gonna do it for Goldkits, it's got to
45:34
be for all set pieces really but I agree with Charlie.
45:36
I'm not sure how Workable is
45:39
there's also because Paul Hackingbottom's complaint
45:41
wasn't it was that he was
45:43
being kind of hustled in He felt
45:46
that his goal keep was being hustled
45:48
into doing things too quickly because
45:50
their plan was to slightly react to what
45:52
Spurs did In terms
45:54
of whether they were gonna go long or go short that sort of thing
45:56
And I'm not you know, I'm sure a lot of Spurs sounds to say that's
45:59
bullshit. You just
45:59
wasting time.
46:01
I'm just saying what he was saying and I guess
46:03
then you'd say with the stock but then you have teams
46:05
might abuse the fact they know they have
46:07
a limit by delaying what they
46:09
did which then forced goalkeepers to delay. I
46:12
don't know it would be complicated. Heckenbaum
46:15
came out and in very very unemotional
46:17
language laid all out. I thought it was
46:19
absolute nonsense. If
46:22
the ball is in free play you're
46:24
always trying to stop the opposition doing what they
46:26
want and to give them less time to do it. Why
46:28
would be any different just because you happen to have
46:30
the ball still in front of you. The point
46:33
was that Spurs were forcing
46:35
Fodringham to make decisions they didn't
46:37
want to make in real time. What's
46:39
he gonna do? I mean if Spurs can
46:41
keep running around can he just stand
46:43
there for the rest of the half? Run down 15 minutes
46:46
of the clock saying sorry I've got a dick. Hang on hold
46:49
on a second there. Man of Solomon moved. It's
46:51
not cricket mate. They don't have to take up positions
46:54
that you then react to. No no he's
46:56
moved again ref I'm gonna take another 15 minutes
46:58
over this. It was Paul was frustrated
47:01
and he wasn't being kind of mad
47:03
about it but he's wrong. That
47:05
the whole point about applying
47:09
the press to goalkicks now which is what's happening
47:11
is that it forces people to do something they don't
47:14
want to do and that's what defending is about
47:16
in any part of the pitch.
47:19
Thank you very much for that question. Glen
47:21
Teague said
47:23
I walked past the and he put inverted commers
47:25
glamorous media entrance at the stadium
47:28
and it got me wondering what the matchday routine
47:30
is for Tim and Charlie. Tim
47:33
I mean I'm sure it's incredibly glamorous and
47:35
involving being pampered before you go
47:38
probably making your way to the stadium in
47:40
some kind of sedan chair with each
47:42
step of your journey hand-picked
47:45
flunkies strewing petals
47:47
in your path but tell us tell
47:49
us in case that's not true. He
47:51
says glamorous media entrance that
47:53
the actual entrance doesn't look great sort
47:55
of backing on to where we did our podcast the other
47:58
week by the back entrance. the Sainsbury's
48:00
Car Park. But yeah, if you walk past
48:02
the front bit with its sort of glass front face
48:04
and it does look very plush inside bars
48:07
and nice seats and it sort of looks like it
48:09
doesn't look like a media room if you walk
48:11
past it. But yeah, no, the
48:14
routine can vary week to week. I actually
48:16
was a little bit late on Saturday
48:18
because I was trying to watch the Wolves game on
48:20
the way to the ground, obviously. You
48:22
do get there pretty early normally, I would say like two
48:24
hours before kick off, there's sort of lots
48:27
to prepare before a match. You've
48:29
got the team news coming in at two, you've got to chat through
48:31
your match idea with your editor because we
48:35
all sort of go in with something in mind that
48:37
we might want to write about on the day and
48:39
as Charlie will know, only about 25% of the time. Okay,
48:44
I spent a large chunk of my life editing, I had
48:46
no idea about that. Do
48:48
you not just respond to what happens on
48:50
the sword? Famously for
48:53
us, but we don't do match reports on the athletic,
48:56
we do not do a blow-by-blow account of
48:58
what just happened in the match because everybody
49:01
else does that and obviously we're a subscription website
49:03
who tries to do things a little bit differently so we're trying
49:05
to attract people to read something that they may
49:07
not have noticed and tell them something
49:09
they don't know. You can't decide that in advance.
49:11
No, you can't, but there
49:14
are so many matches, you know, some clubs might play 60
49:16
matches in a season, you know,
49:18
and it's hard to come
49:20
up with different ideas on the hoof straight
49:22
away at full time so the idea might
49:25
be, for an example, of going in with
49:27
the idea of specifically watching a
49:29
player perhaps. So you might
49:31
go and watch James Madison for 90 minutes
49:33
and if it's a boring game with very little
49:36
sort of wow, big narratives that come out of it,
49:38
then that will still quite work well. But like
49:40
I said to Charlie, a lot of the time
49:42
stuff that happens in games overtakes the idea
49:44
that you go in with basically. Yeah, I
49:46
think it's partly, Danny, to ensure yourself.
49:49
If they chef we've united on the idea that we're making
49:51
a really forgettable one nil
49:53
win and you're kind of like, what
49:56
am I going to talk about? It helps. That doesn't happen, I
49:58
suppose. You know that. No, exactly,
50:02
thankfully or otherwise it doesn't. So it helps
50:04
in that situation to be, is there anything I've
50:06
been working on that's not so dependent on
50:08
the game? Because also what I think is interesting
50:10
with it is you can be accused of being
50:13
too reactive. It's a really
50:15
fine line because you don't
50:17
wanna just be off the back of reacting
50:19
just to the back of what's happened in the
50:21
game, but at the same time, it's mad, something
50:24
like Saturday, clearly.
50:27
You can go in with the best of their plans, but
50:29
everything's ripped up because you have to reflect
50:32
what all the fans are talking about. And that's to
50:34
a large extent the emotion of the game
50:37
and that sort of thing. But if you can pick
50:39
something out that's maybe
50:42
a little different. I mean, like for instance, my piece on Saturday
50:44
about the game was, I thought
50:46
I had during it, which was kind of like, you know,
50:48
welcome to being good against Spurs. Because
50:50
when you're good, this is what teams are gonna
50:52
do to you. They're gonna come, they're gonna sit everyone behind the ball,
50:55
they're gonna waste every second of time because they're
50:57
scared. Like, you know, in your last game, you
51:00
battered Burnley, you've scored two in every Premier
51:02
League game so far this season. And it reminds, and
51:04
I know to an extent, it's ever
51:06
been thus and, you know, always you're gonna have
51:09
newly promoted teams are gonna play defensively against
51:13
the biggest teams in a vertical miss. But
51:15
it reminded me a little bit of something happened
51:18
with Pochettino Spurs when teams got wise
51:20
to the fact that they were getting really good. And
51:22
Spurs had a bit of an awkward transition to dealing
51:24
with those games against suddenly these really
51:27
defensive low blocks. And I can remember
51:29
some quite often in that, in
51:31
sort of Pochettino's second season, probably
51:33
would have been, you know, after like Europa League games, there'd
51:36
be sort of Sunday 2 p.m. and it'd be quite flat.
51:39
And you'd have teams knowing that Spurs were really
51:41
good in just defending incredibly
51:43
deep. And this felt like it might be one of those games.
51:45
So yeah, that was a theme I sort of got into off
51:47
the back of the game. What about Glenn? I
51:50
mean, I've been to New Stadium, of course, but
51:52
my days of going to press boxes are long
51:54
behind me. Some would say, thankfully.
51:58
What about the actual facility? I mean
52:00
obviously the Wi-Fi is better
52:02
than it was at White Island. How could it be worse? What's
52:05
the grub like Tim?
52:07
Very very very good. They sort
52:09
of changes from week to week, which is nice You don't want the same
52:11
meal every time. I I feel a bit weird
52:13
talking about this I don't really like I
52:16
think the idea of journalists get to stuff
52:18
their face on like real like gourmet type
52:20
foods I don't know Charlie feels but I think
52:22
it's a bit unedifying really like if you get
52:24
to Chelsea and you see a Proper
52:27
gourmet spread like the Gorgonzola nocky. I
52:29
had it Honestly
52:32
unbelievable But then you know you might
52:34
glance at it a quarter three as you're on your way to see and there's
52:36
so much food Left is like really like what happens
52:38
to all that like incredible food like I don't
52:41
know But yeah, I think I think
52:43
a lot of journalists see that as the highlight of their Forget
52:47
I'm great friends with Ian Abraham. So I
52:49
do know that Literally
52:51
the highlight of their career whatever
52:54
they serve up the grub. Listen, I
52:55
hope Glenn I hope just give you just a Small
52:59
vision of just how tough it is to
53:01
be a top football journalist these
53:04
days I'm let's end then with
53:06
I don't know how funny people are trying to be here
53:09
But in the in the timeline of our
53:11
Twitter feed and the moment where it feed after
53:13
the shepherd of night again Loads of people
53:16
Griezmann fan Tim Eaton Sean
53:18
hurl who regularly contributes all
53:21
saying could we?
53:23
Could we Tim could we
53:25
Sean
53:26
could we?
53:28
Well Tim could we I mean
53:31
you're gonna you're gonna have to clarify the question I
53:37
mean people are being self-deprecating.
53:39
I think they're Charlie. Yes. Yeah,
53:42
I think I mean yes Yeah, well there it's a little
53:44
bit of like I don't know we do this a knife
53:46
Don't we where we dangle something out there? Doing
53:49
it with humor in the hope but secretly
53:51
hoping someone might sort of bite on
53:53
it But you you don't want to sort of make yourself
53:56
too vulnerable. What I would say is that
53:58
Spurs play Arsenal on Sunday
54:01
and this time a year ago, Arsenal had won their
54:03
first five games and it was
54:05
very similar noises and a lot of people
54:07
were saying, don't be ridiculous.
54:10
You're a team that didn't even get top four last
54:12
season and you've beaten
54:14
five not great teams back in your box.
54:16
They obviously then did go on and challenge and
54:18
a lot of people would say they ultimately bottled the title.
54:21
They had a brilliant season, didn't they? They had
54:23
an amazing season book. So what I'm saying is people
54:26
would have thought they were being similarly ridiculous
54:29
at that point. I
54:32
know Spurs are coming from a lower point. Maybe they finished
54:34
eighth whereas Arsenal finished fifth the previous season
54:36
but it's
54:40
an enormous ask. Let's see after this Sunday.
54:42
I think then we might have a bit
54:45
better of a deal. Tell you what's wonderful about it, whether
54:47
people are taking the Mickey or not in
54:49
Arsenal or even taking the Mickey out themselves, the very
54:52
idea that you might contemplate the question,
54:54
never mind ask it. The
54:57
mood change,
54:58
the mood change
55:00
of which that is reflective
55:02
is extraordinary. Completely and like you said,
55:04
Danny, you've got to enjoy these wins. In a way,
55:07
we spend so much of our time as fans
55:09
proofing ourselves against disappointment. Whenever
55:11
there's a corner for the opposition, they're going to score. Oh, I just
55:14
didn't know they're going to score. Or you go into every
55:16
game saying, oh, I've got a bad feeling about this. And
55:18
so in a way,
55:20
maybe this will be as good as it gets this
55:23
season where Spurs have won four games and drawn
55:25
one. Just
55:27
kind of let yourself dream. And
55:29
yeah, there's a teeny chance probably
55:31
but you mentioned Jamie Vardy.
55:34
Stranger things have happened. This isn't me saying, where's he going to win
55:36
the league by the way? No, no, no, no, no. But
55:39
yeah, let yourself dream. Did sound
55:41
a little bit like that, Charlie. So far,
55:44
Foster Carver hasn't put a foot wrong PR wise. He
55:46
was asked the same question about the Spurs fans over
55:48
celebrating and he said, that's their job. Let
55:50
them get on with it. That's what they should do. It's their
55:52
job and the players should celebrate when they get a
55:55
winner as the sun goes down
55:58
in September. But it's his job
56:01
and his coach's job to make sure that that energy
56:04
is bottled but then realistically
56:07
used. You know, you think
56:09
Arsenal are going to sit on the edge of their box waiting for Spurs
56:11
to have 29 shots at goal? They ain't.
56:14
But that's the game and we'll see what happens.
56:17
We'll talk about that more on Thursday when we'll be
56:19
back. Let me just remind you, as I say, all
56:22
those questions came and many others and do keep
56:24
them coming and don't get disappointed if
56:26
we don't get them all on. It's just the nature of
56:28
it, isn't it? We'll remind you that the show has its
56:30
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56:33
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56:55
Thank you all for listening. Thanks for Natalie for
56:58
adding to the general gaiety of the nation.
57:00
What a brilliant, brilliant result. And
57:02
what a brilliant, brilliant moment that was. Let's
57:05
hope there's many more of the season to come. On
57:07
Thursday, we'll be previewing the possibility
57:09
of something brilliant happening at Arsenal. Bless
57:11
you all.
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