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joined by the household and today

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is Greek God Day. Is

3:01

that what it is? God's Goddesses. You

3:04

look great. We've all decided. Justin is the organizer

3:06

of these costumes. He always looks the best. Like

3:08

coincidentally. Well to his credit he actually is putting

3:11

an effort and we are we

3:13

are making Justin is the one getting our costumes

3:15

together. I've committed to the bit. I'm like someone

3:17

has to be committed. Yeah he's like let me

3:19

get their costumes and I'm gonna like get them

3:21

something like they're gonna look stupid. If

3:24

Nick gave me a thousand dollars you guys would be

3:26

slaying Boots House Down. Like you would walk in with

3:28

prosthetics. How much is he giving you? I don't even

3:30

know. Like three dollars. He just said be reasonable. Justin

3:33

did you own these wings before or after you

3:35

decided this costume? I bought it for this costume

3:37

but I was like you'll be able to use

3:39

wings anytime so I was like reuse. And

3:42

you know what you deserve it for putting these

3:44

all together and his costume should be the best.

3:46

He did organize all this. That's true. I

3:49

think you guys look good. What? Sarah

3:51

what are you? I'm a dark god. Yes. Katie.

3:54

Persephone. Whoever you want me to

3:56

be. I'm just. Mary who are

3:58

you? I'm. Poseidon on

4:00

a casual Friday She's

4:03

wearing a Hawaiian shirt for

4:05

people listening. Yeah, you know,

4:07

I'm in Percy Jackson logic

4:10

He's on vacation. He's on vacation. You're Tom Schwartz.

4:12

Greek God's shelter, you know, you know, I am

4:14

kind of why do I kind of look like

4:16

Tom Schwartz? Yes,

4:20

Tom Schwartz with his God complex

4:22

Oh Are

4:27

we saying that Tom Schwartz kind of looks like a 25

4:29

year old woman how old are you? I'm 23 Oh,

4:32

no, we're saying that he loves Hawaiian shirts.

4:34

Yeah, he does. I feel like he's constantly

4:37

in a Hawaiian shirt now Yes. Okay. Thank

4:39

you. We're saying that Tom Schwartz kind of

4:41

looks like a young gay Yeah,

4:47

okay bleach blonde bad bill

4:49

butch body We

4:54

have a very exciting episode for you

4:57

We have Cynthia Bailey and crystal Minkoff

4:59

in studio to talk about their new

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and only Charles Mr.

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Golden bachelor himself is with us calling in from

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China. This man is a very exciting person He's

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Himself is with us calling in

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from China This man left the

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back Where he's from in China

5:29

and took his time to zoom

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in with us the gracious man that he

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is and we asked him

5:36

a very important question if He's

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interested in willing to be the next bachelor golden

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bachelor that is and his answer will surprise you

5:42

Plus we get to know what did he say? Listen

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dear Some

5:47

of us woke up super early to interview Charles.

5:49

It was a perfect wake-up call though It was

5:51

I think you know, you knew you're getting up

5:53

for Charles. Yeah. Yeah, Justin and Sierra and I

5:55

we did that First

5:58

thing in the morning. It was a No

6:00

coffee, just Charles. True. Oh,

6:02

another C. Yeah. Plus,

6:04

we will be getting into Golden Bachelorette

6:07

along with some

6:09

Real Housewives of NYC. Before

6:12

we do, just a reminder, the

6:14

episode, the Going Deep episode with

6:16

Gypsy Rose and her partner, father

6:19

of her child, they

6:21

are expecting and they get into

6:23

everything about their relationship, everything that's

6:25

been going on in their crazy

6:27

life ever since we interviewed them

6:29

back in January. People

6:31

are surprised at the, I guess, why, of

6:33

course I'm not surprised. Obviously,

6:36

there's some of you. I don't know

6:38

if it's people who are actually listening,

6:40

don't appreciate us having Gypsy Rose on

6:42

because of her past, which to which

6:45

we reply, we don't care. We

6:48

love and appreciate it. What a weird thing to hate.

6:51

What a weird thing to be like, oh my God, how dare you?

6:54

What a weird thing to have such a

6:56

strong opinion on about something you couldn't possibly

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place yourself. Or about something that

7:01

they're acting like we're holding a gun

7:03

to their head. You have to listen

7:05

to this two hour episode. You

7:07

could just like, nah, listen to it if you don't

7:09

want to hear that. There's that. Or

7:12

we could be more open-minded and empathetic. We

7:14

could be more empathetic and compassionate. That is what this

7:17

world is lacking. Or

7:19

we could stop being surprised about the internet. For

7:22

all you reasonable people out there, it is a

7:24

fantastic episode and you should check it out. Thank

7:27

you for participating and having an opinion on whatever

7:29

we do, good or bad. We just love that

7:31

you care. Totally. What

7:35

do we get into before we get to our favorite

7:37

shows? Should we take it off of Vibe football? Oh

7:39

yes. It is now time for

7:42

Vibes versus Stats. Mary,

7:45

what are our great match ups of the week? First

7:49

of all, I just want to point out that Stats have

7:51

taken the lead by one. Yeah. So

7:54

it's your guys' time to fight back.

7:56

Are you jumping ship, Mary? I'm not

7:58

jumping ship. But first. We're covering

8:00

the Lions and Vikings, and off the bat,

8:02

I think that the Vibes team owes

8:05

the Detroit Lions an apology.

8:07

Why? What did we say about

8:09

them? You didn't pick them. Oh. Are

8:11

they supposed to? This is me projecting.

8:13

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We

8:15

know who Murray's. The people of Detroit, they've been

8:17

through so much, and are so dedicated to their

8:19

team. And we

8:21

need to put some respect on their name. Okay. Because

8:24

any team that can decimate the Cowboys like

8:26

that, it was like 29 to... 49

8:29

to 3 or something. 49

8:32

to 3 or 7 or something like that. It

8:34

was incredible. That is brutal. That is, damn, it's

8:36

brutal out here to be the Cowboy. All while

8:38

losing their best player to

8:40

a season-ending injury. Yes, defensive end Aiden

8:42

Hutchinson suffered an injury in last week's

8:44

game, breaking his tibia and fibula in

8:47

the third quarter. Snapped his leg in

8:49

half. Yeah, his surgery was successful, but

8:51

he will be out for the season.

8:54

But there's some drama there because

8:56

many are predicting a possible trade.

8:59

Max Crosby from the Raiders. Maybe.

9:01

People are also saying Hassan

9:04

Riddick. Yeah, from the Eagles.

9:07

Well, he was on the Eagles. Eagles than Jets, but

9:09

has never played or practiced with them. What's

9:12

the Jets? Weird. Interesting. Yikesies.

9:15

The Jets vibes are not great. In the

9:17

trash can. Yeah. But they

9:19

did trade for Davante Adams and reuniting Aaron Rodgers and

9:22

Davante Adams. Are we talking about the Jets right now?

9:24

So nope. Okay. Nope.

9:26

Well, basically like with the whole trade of

9:28

it all, the deadline's November 5th. And this

9:30

is like if halfway through the season of

9:32

Salt Lake City, Lisa Barlow broke her tibia

9:34

and fibula, and then Andy Senton during the

9:36

medley. Oh, okay. Interesting. So

9:38

it doesn't make sense. Don't laugh. Or maybe

9:40

not during though, but like anyone. Mid-season trades

9:42

are hard for Kim. I didn't know you

9:44

could do that. Yeah. Imagine if

9:47

you could like trade housewives. Ooh. That

9:49

could be so funny. Right? Ultimate girls trip.

9:51

Immediately we're taking Heather from OC. I don't

9:53

know what we're replacing her with, but. I

9:56

think we send her to New York. You know

9:58

what? New York. I feel

10:00

like that could be good. I did think

10:02

Heather Dubrow and what's problematic? Oh

10:05

my god, I can't think of her name from

10:07

New York. Minkoff? No, no, no, no. Si? The

10:09

one that's canceling everybody Bravo Reckoning. Bryn? Bethany?

10:12

Bethany. Good lord. Why

10:16

don't you say OG? I will say for a while

10:18

I thought Bethany and Heather Dubrow were the same person.

10:21

They're both. Who is that more offensive to? They look the

10:23

same. I don't think defensive. I

10:25

don't think it's a bad thing. I just

10:27

for a while I thought they were the

10:30

same person. Interesting. Okay, so Vikings? Anything cool

10:32

about them? The Vikings? Well. Parent trap dance.

10:34

Parent trap dance. Cam Vynum and Josh Mattel

10:36

has recreated the parent trap handshake. It was

10:39

very cute. They also posted a little TikTok

10:41

of them practicing the choreo. Love. We messed

10:43

up last time, right? Because we didn't choose

10:45

the Vikings and they ended up doing the

10:48

handshake and we missed the vibes. Well,

10:50

we didn't know that they were practicing such

10:53

an iconic celebratory dance. If we would have

10:55

known, we would have obviously chosen them. So

10:57

I feel like, and like, do we think

11:01

they're going to do that again on this

11:03

game? Or do we think they'd come up with something

11:06

else? Vikings and the Chiefs are the only two undefeated

11:08

teams so far, but the

11:10

Lions have only lost once. But they've

11:12

also lost their star player. So. Well,

11:15

I will say Jared Goff,

11:17

the Lions quarterback, is engaged

11:20

to Christian Harper, who is

11:22

a model and actress. Sports

11:25

Illustrated. So she's

11:27

carrying the team. She is carrying the

11:29

team. We got some models on the

11:31

side. Okay. Of Detroit. Models versus parent

11:33

trap. But they also like lost. I

11:36

mean, how much work does Aidan Hutchinson

11:38

do? None now. No, obviously. Before he

11:40

was a pass rusher, you could argue

11:43

he was the second most important person

11:45

other than the quarterback on the team.

11:48

See, I have a feeling

11:50

we're going to have to go Vikings with this Vikings, you

11:54

know, one last time. Lions,

11:56

Lions killed. The

12:00

girls who haven't lost. Yeah, I don't know. Two

12:02

winners. And they just lost their star player who

12:04

typically would be helping them, but no, now he's

12:06

out with an injury, so. So they're gonna be

12:08

learning right now. So yeah, we have to do

12:11

Vikings. We have to do Vikings. Vikings, yeah. They're

12:13

readjusting. Okay, what about you, Nick? I'm gonna go

12:15

Lions. Lions, all right, game. Good luck. Two Chiefs

12:17

versus 49ers. This

12:19

is insane because Super Bowl

12:21

revenge moment. Super Bowl matchup,

12:24

rematch. Wow. Rematch who

12:26

will win. Chiefs won the last time.

12:28

But the thing is, this is really

12:30

a war of the wags. Yes. Yes.

12:33

Because we have, it's battle for the

12:35

cutest couple, right? We have Taylor and

12:37

Travis for the Chiefs, obviously. And then

12:39

they went to a Yankees game. That's

12:41

their big update right now. And

12:44

then George and Claire Kittle and

12:46

Kristen and Kyle, use checks. And

12:48

Sydney Warner and Fred Warner, hello.

12:51

Sydney friend of life. Of bachelor

12:53

royalty. Of bachelor royalty. Friend of

12:55

life, okay. Friend of life, sorry.

12:58

We had a baby at the same time. I knew. George

13:01

and Kyle's wives, Claire and

13:03

Kristen went kind of viral because

13:05

George and Kyle ran up to

13:07

them and hugged them during a

13:09

game. Which is adorable. That's love.

13:12

That's, she's cheer

13:14

captain and I'm in the bleachers. That is.

13:16

So, you know. What

13:18

are we thinking? I'm leaning towards 49ers. I

13:21

feel like I'm kind of leaning towards 49ers

13:23

as well. I feel like, I'm

13:25

so sorry. I feel like Travis has been a little

13:27

off his game. I

13:30

feel like Patrick is

13:32

gonna get a little like nerve in

13:35

front of like, where is this home gamer?

13:37

Where is it being played? This is being

13:39

played in San

13:41

Francisco. Oh yeah. The wives will be

13:43

wifeing. The wives will be wifeing. I

13:45

feel like he might get a little

13:48

cold feet. Home territory. I

13:50

feel like he doesn't have great circulation. It could be

13:52

due for a loss. They could be

13:54

due for a loss. Have they been like on a

13:56

winning streak recently? The Chiefs? Yeah.

13:58

The Chiefs haven't lost yet. And the

14:01

Niners have started slower than expected. The

14:04

first week never matters. Well, we're in week

14:06

seven. We know that. Oh, yeah. I

14:08

think you can do it better. I

14:10

feel like we're going to go Niners.

14:12

Yeah. Like we're on Team Wack. And

14:15

remember, sourdough Sam. Sourdough Sam. Don't forget

14:17

sourdough Sam. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

14:19

Is he pop your pussy pink or no?

14:22

Was that someone else? No, that was someone

14:24

else. Sourdough Sam was the miner, not physically,

14:26

but in like, boop, boop, boop, looking for

14:28

the miner. He is a legal age. He

14:30

is a legal age looking for gold. They?

14:33

I don't know. I feel like all mascots,

14:35

they. Bread is gender neutral. Yeah. OK. Sourdough

14:37

Sam. Bread is gender neutral. Yeah. All right.

14:39

Who are you going, Nick? I'm going to

14:41

go Chiefs. Oh my god. Ooh. Well,

14:43

I mean, let's make it fun. No,

14:46

yeah, you really want to lose this round. OK. Really,

14:49

the winner of this game, though,

14:51

depends on who Sabrina Carpenter wears

14:53

on whose jersey she wears. Because

14:56

have you guys heard about the Sabrina Carpenter curse? No.

14:58

So basically, there's a conspiracy theory going

15:01

around online that as Sabrina Carpenter has

15:03

been touring, when she goes to city,

15:05

she will wear the local sports team's

15:07

jerseys. And they lose. They lose every

15:10

time. Recently, yeah, she's won the Toronto

15:12

Maple Leafs, Philadelphia Phillies, and Dallas Cowboys.

15:15

Where is her next show? Yeah. Let's see.

15:17

It's at San Francisco. Good question. It's in

15:19

the bay. Literally. Nashville's next. Nashville is tonight.

15:21

No, Nashville can't take it. Oh god. Take

15:24

it again. We will love this alone. Yeah,

15:26

they're not doing very well. Hate to break

15:28

it. OK, well, we're excited for this weekend.

15:30

Well, that does it for vibes versus stats.

15:33

Good luck, guys. Thanks.

15:35

Thanks. Mm-hmm. In

15:37

the benefit of a wife being a model, Victoria's Secret Fashion

15:39

Show is back. And I'm excited. Period. It was. How was

15:41

it? We didn't watch. Every six. We went on a date.

15:43

I didn't watch either, but I saw many clips. We were

15:45

on a date. The internet loves it. Yeah, we went on

15:47

a date. We went on a date. As you should. As

15:50

you should, but still. So we missed. Iconic.

15:52

It's starting at like three. I'm just glad

15:54

it's back. Me too. You know?

15:57

The teenage me was screaming on the inside. I'm

15:59

so excited because it's been years. Do

16:02

we feel like their runway was a little more

16:04

low budget than it used to be? The production

16:07

value, yes. And there was also not the same,

16:09

like how they used to do like a pink

16:11

segment and it would be like all of these

16:13

like really fun wings. It was very dictated

16:16

towards the models versus like a theme. But

16:18

I like that. Because I like that they

16:20

rebranded and came back with like the more

16:22

inclusive approach. Like so for me, Alex Kinsani,

16:24

who's a trans model, like seeing her on

16:26

there, she would never be there. The

16:29

original version. She was interviewed

16:31

by someone, I don't know who it was, and they were

16:33

like, what did you have for breakfast? And she goes, dick.

16:35

Yeah, cool. She's iconic, I'm

16:37

sorry, Alex Kinsani. No,

16:40

but I think like, and Sarah was saying she watched it. It's like

16:42

there was different people with different

16:44

skin tones, people with different hair types,

16:46

like different body sizes. I saw it tiny

16:48

waist thick thighs. I saw, you know, model

16:50

skinny. I saw it just

16:53

like natural hair, like just like everything that

16:55

like I wanna see where it's not this

16:57

like cookie cutter idea of what somebody's supposed

16:59

to look like. But like the wide range

17:02

of what people appreciate in beauty and different

17:04

races, different types of body types, everything. I

17:06

think they did an amazing job. Everybody looked

17:08

phenomenal. The performances were phenomenal, the outfits were

17:10

great. And again, it just makes me more

17:13

excited for what they're gonna be able to

17:15

do next year now that people are excited

17:17

about it again. I think it's good they

17:19

got rid of the CEO that was problematic,

17:21

that didn't want representation. And now we have

17:23

the representation that's not problematic. We love to

17:26

see it. I think it's interesting that Kate

17:28

Moss and her daughter were like praised for

17:30

walking the runway together. And then Heidi Klum

17:32

and her daughter, Lenny, were

17:35

like shamed for doing essentially the same thing,

17:37

but just one's a photo shoot, one's a

17:39

runway show. Exactly. It's so weird. Right? Like-

17:42

Yeah, so Heidi and her daughter were posing

17:44

in lingerie, pro lingerie shoot, but they're just

17:46

standing there essentially. They're literally just standing there.

17:48

That's not suggestive to anything at all. And

17:51

I think it's weird that people wanna make

17:53

things weird that are clearly not weird. They're

17:55

both models. They both have amazing

17:57

bodies. This is how great you can look in their lingerie at-

18:00

and this is how great you could look in their lingerie at, 20. Yeah,

18:02

some of the comments are, this is kind

18:05

of weird, quite strange to do this with

18:07

your mom. Yeah, nothing like half naked with

18:09

your mom. I think these people making comments

18:11

are watching weird porn and projecting. What if

18:13

I took a photo with my mom on

18:15

a beach on a vacation? Is

18:18

that not allowed? We're still half

18:20

naked? Well, and I guess the

18:22

question is, is lingerie like inherently sexual? Well,

18:25

sure, but that's what they're saying.

18:27

Are like more revealing than this.

18:29

But they're models and they're professionals

18:31

to promote clothing, underwear, swimsuits, whatever

18:33

it is, and

18:36

you don't have to necessarily sexualize

18:39

the lingerie in a campaign. And

18:41

yes, a mother and daughter

18:44

can wear and promote underwear. And like

18:46

they are just standing next to each

18:48

other, they're doing their job. Anyways,

18:52

Chamma Judge back in the

18:54

news, she recently went on

18:56

her show and said that

18:59

she had talked to a therapist that she's

19:01

known for a while and

19:03

is stating that she is on the

19:05

spectrum and receiving a lot of

19:07

criticism for said comments. She said, I just

19:09

thought that things were black and white to

19:11

me. I grew up with a family that

19:13

didn't have a lot of empathy or love

19:16

or whatever. So that just transpired onto

19:18

my adult life. But after talking and going

19:20

through everything and my emotions and I have

19:22

a hard time with empathy and feeling other

19:25

people's feelings, there's a reason why. I think

19:27

for me, I just hope that she gets

19:29

understanding and whatever help she needs, but also

19:32

regardless if she has it or doesn't,

19:34

whatever degree that may be, I just

19:36

hope this potential diagnosis doesn't get conflated

19:38

with the drama of a storyline. Do

19:40

we feel like Jen Affleck and her

19:43

husband staged their little bit

19:45

where her daughter is saying mama and he

19:47

is so absolutely pissed off and cannot believe

19:49

it? If it were any

19:51

other couple, I would be like, oh, that

19:54

means nothing. But with these two, I'm like,

19:56

no Zach is pissed. We have also seen

19:58

them do bits, right? And this

20:00

doesn't read as a bit. This reads like

20:02

they were just recording themselves day in the

20:04

life, you know? And there's a very, so

20:07

we know what their bits look like, and

20:10

this didn't read like a bit. It broke my heart, it

20:12

was so sad. She was so

20:14

happy that her daughter said mama, and he was like,

20:16

no, she didn't, say dada, say dada. Yeah, I couldn't

20:18

wait to take that moment away from her. I think

20:20

they're a perfect example of couples who compete. You

20:23

know, and I think that's, I've said this,

20:25

Nellie and I talked about this yesterday when we were talking

20:27

about this story. Like, Nellie's the first relationship I've had where

20:29

I feel like we don't compete on a regular basis. And

20:32

I don't mean like, you know, we're getting, you

20:34

know, like monopoly board out and competing that way.

20:36

But like, I think a lot of couples compete,

20:38

like, you know, who's gonna say mama or dada

20:41

first? Like, you see a lot

20:43

of couples doing that, you know? Well, this

20:45

is something so lighthearted that they turned into

20:47

like a competition. Yeah, or is that active?

20:49

Well, is that something that should have just

20:51

been like, oh my gosh, this is so

20:53

exciting. It was like, made it

20:55

sad for Jen. This moment, you

20:58

could, I think, accurately assume, you

21:01

know what happens when you assume, but I think you

21:03

could assume with a

21:05

high degree of accuracy that

21:08

like a couple who competes

21:10

this often is often disconnected.

21:12

Yeah. I would assume too. They're

21:14

not on the same page, they're not rooting for each

21:16

other, they're not each other's cheerleaders, they're not supportive of

21:18

each other. In fact, they're the

21:20

opposite of all those things. They're

21:22

in constant competition, they're always putting

21:24

each other down, they're always nitpicking,

21:26

things like that, which is sadly

21:28

very common in relationships and it

21:30

seems very common in this

21:33

relationship. She is teasing, that's crazy. I was

21:35

gonna say, she's teasing it. She's teasing whether

21:37

they are together or not together. I mean,

21:39

again, it goes to show- It's so frustrating.

21:42

Ah! I'm here for it.

21:44

I'm here for it. I'm annoyed. These women are

21:46

true professional reality TV stars. They're getting that second

21:48

season, baby. Yeah, well- They're committed

21:51

to the business. Because you have Macy who's posting a

21:53

TikTok where her and Michaela are holding Jen's hand up

21:55

and she has a ring on her finger. And

21:58

then you have Michaela posting a video. insinuating

22:00

that Jen and Zach are not together. Well,

22:02

and then you need context of the week

22:04

before where Jen was posting, so she's like

22:06

in New York one day, ring on, then

22:08

she's in some like Utah apartment that's different

22:10

from the house they shared, hands

22:12

covered. And then you have

22:14

Demi commenting like, love the new you,

22:17

who's the new you? Listen, how

22:19

many different, we have Taylor and

22:21

Dakota, are they, are they not

22:24

together? That's a storyline, Jen. Not.

22:27

And what's his name, Zach? Zach.

22:30

It's a messy season, because also Camila and Miranda

22:32

are allegedly joining the film. Whitney's still an asshole,

22:34

you know? Is Whitney gonna be on the show?

22:37

She's returning to the show. She already said everybody's returning. Oh,

22:40

well, because they're also posting videos. Well,

22:42

so Camila and Miranda, which were like the

22:44

alleged friends of Mom Talk with Taylor, they

22:47

were at filming events. So

22:50

you can assume that they're coming in as friends, maybe. Or

22:52

something, yeah. You can run dub. Which would make sense for

22:54

her. Do you think they saw the success of season one

22:56

and said they want to butt off of that apple? I

22:59

would assume that maybe Taylor, she was

23:01

taking the flack of all this drama, so they were

23:03

kind of like, let's see how the media takes her.

23:05

And then if she survives, we'll join. Yeah, now

23:08

they're here right about that. You know who's not

23:10

together? Kat Dickler and Jason

23:12

Tardik have broken up. She

23:17

posted a video from bed saying that they

23:19

are no longer together. Yeah, it was an

23:21

interesting breakup video. And the world shakes. But

23:24

again, I will give her credit on the fact of

23:26

the matter is that nothing pisses me off when people

23:29

broadcast their relationship all over social media and then

23:32

they break up and they delete photos and they're

23:34

like, everybody pretend like that didn't happen. Like, no,

23:36

acknowledge it. Yeah, what are your thoughts on deleting

23:38

photos after a breakup? And also, would you rather

23:40

have, let me just record it real

23:42

fast in bed, or do you want, let me set up

23:44

the whole camera situation, let's have us sit here. I mean,

23:47

she did the thing where I just woke up

23:49

and I just need to address you all, but

23:51

clearly. She didn't, right? She didn't. I

23:54

could assume. It was kind of funny, her breakup video from

23:56

bed. As she said though, casual fucks. You could tell she's

23:58

the one who ended the relationship. That's for

24:00

sure. How can you tell? Has she posted a video? Cause

24:02

Jason posted a like, sorry,

24:05

we're broken up. And she

24:07

was like posted a, you know, a glam

24:10

from bed, fixed her hair, seemed

24:12

to be in pretty high spirits. It

24:14

definitely gave, I didn't want to do

24:16

this anymore. You know? Okay

24:19

fair. I mean, I feel like

24:21

I could give two shits if people delete photos

24:23

off their own personal Instagram. I'm like, okay, next.

24:25

I don't care, girl. Yeah, I don't really have

24:28

a strong opinion on

24:30

that. Honestly, their videos were a

24:32

little too performative for me. The

24:35

consequences are almost built in. You

24:37

know, if you're a couple that enters

24:39

into a relationship and very quickly shows

24:41

that relationship online, and if you end

24:43

up breaking up shortly thereafter, it's like

24:45

the fact that you put it out

24:47

there so soon, you know,

24:49

the consequences will be the people's response to

24:51

you breaking up. So when's the earliest you

24:53

should post a relationship? I don't know. Cause

24:56

they were six months in. I don't know. I don't

24:58

know what they want to do. I don't really care.

25:01

But like, you know, it does. It's

25:03

a peril of generally. But they also

25:05

like, when they came out, they came

25:07

out swinging and it was like nonstop,

25:09

like bit videos, trending sounds. They were

25:11

like on top of the trends, which

25:14

they probably got some that pop

25:16

off. They got, you know, whatever.

25:18

They certainly opened themselves up for

25:21

their criticism of being potentially disingenuous

25:23

with their relationship. Hmm.

25:25

Yeah. I don't know. She

25:28

was getting some shit for, you

25:30

know, introducing Jason to her daughter. I

25:34

think just people are sensitive to like bring, time

25:37

lines, bringing like men in and out

25:40

of children's lives. And she

25:42

kind of addressed that as saying like, she

25:45

was introduced to Jason as my friend,

25:47

as she is to like all of

25:49

my guy friends and all of my

25:51

girlfriend's husbands. Like it was no different

25:53

than. Yeah. Yeah. I

25:55

think that that's up to the mom. I feel like people

25:57

shouldn't get involved in those kinds of decisions because it's like.

26:00

And I see this all over the place

26:02

now that my algorithm is all about moms.

26:04

And I read the comments sometimes and people

26:06

are just so harsh and critical of how

26:08

mom's mom. And I'm just like, it really

26:10

should. Yeah, if you're harming your

26:12

kid on camera. Obviously.

26:15

Yeah. But everything else. But everything else.

26:17

You don't know the context. You don't know what's happening

26:20

like outside of these, this rectangle that you're

26:22

looking at it through. But anyways, we wish

26:24

them both the best. I

26:28

hope Jason finds like someone

26:30

not in the public eye next. That's just my wish

26:32

for him. Just one man's opinion. Lana Del Rey could

26:34

do it. You could do it too. He can tell

26:36

me to go fuck myself.

26:38

But yeah, maybe someone not online. All

26:42

right, well, before we get to talking

26:44

about Rony and Golden Bachelor, we have

26:47

a couple of queens about to join

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this episode. Cynthia Bailey and Crystal Minkoff,

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the host of our new show Humble

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excited to have Crystal and Cynthia join

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the MV media family. And they are

26:59

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27:01

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27:03

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I mean, obviously, very excited to have

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you ladies. The cat's out of the

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bag. I know we've kind of already

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announced it, but like Humble Brag is

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premiering on Envy Media Network. Cynthia

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and Crystal are co-hosting

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their new show, our new show. Our new show. Our

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new show. I'm very excited to have these ladies be

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a part of the team. Congratulations for

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being part of our family. Thank you. Are

31:23

you guys excited as much as I'm excited?

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We're so excited. Seriously. It hasn't hit me

31:27

yet though. Like I keep like, it's only

31:29

been like a couple of days and I'm

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like, shit, we have a podcast. Crystal and

31:34

I have been talking about doing this show

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for about a year now. We've been mowling

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all this for a long, long time. And

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then she was like, I want to do

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it with Cynthia Bailey. I'm like, what? Really?

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I'd be like, who's that? No, I was,

31:46

oh no, Cynthia. I

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knew exactly who you were. And

31:51

I was very excited about that. Well, I

31:53

was very honored to be chosen because Crystal

31:55

knows a lot of people that I'm realizing

31:57

more and more. As we like get to

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know each other. I'm like, she literally knows

32:01

like everyone. So to be chosen by Crystal,

32:03

I am the chosen one. The

32:06

sea parted and I saw your face. And

32:08

I said, this is the one. We met a couple of years

32:10

ago at a mutual, we

32:13

went to an event and it's one of my

32:15

girlfriends event. She happened to be there. And

32:18

we both were already on our perspective shows.

32:20

Yeah, I think it was at least three

32:22

years ago because I remember still being married.

32:24

Yes. Yeah. And you're still

32:26

a friend on Atlanta. I

32:29

am a official friend. What's

32:31

the difference? There is a

32:33

difference. Okay, so I was on Real House, West

32:35

Atlanta for 11 consistent

32:37

years as a consistent peach

32:40

holder. And when it was

32:42

done, when I decided to walk away, which was really like

32:44

basically, they didn't really technically ask me to come back as

32:46

a housewife, but I kind of knew it was kind of

32:48

like the end of the road for me because I just

32:50

didn't have anything else to say. But anyway, they kind of

32:52

like threw the friend thing, but I just felt like, you

32:55

know what? If we're gonna break up, let's just break up.

32:57

You can't break up with me and still get the coochie.

32:59

You know what I mean? So I had

33:01

a clean break. Exactly how I feel. But

33:04

sometimes you can break up with me and get

33:06

the coochie. But not in my hands. Depends

33:08

on who's breaking up with me. But only when you

33:10

want it. Only when I want to give up the

33:12

coochie. But anyway, I've had just such an amazing relationship

33:15

with network and the girls and what or whatever. And

33:17

that was like, okay, woo, this is good. Like I

33:19

needed a break because I never took a break. And

33:21

then I just kind of missed it, honestly. And of

33:23

course the fans, I love my housewife fans. And I

33:25

was like, oh my God, you know, why did you

33:27

leave when you come back? So anyway, I would just

33:29

like, whenever I was in Atlanta, I would just pop

33:31

in and play with the girls a little bit unofficially.

33:34

And that was fun. How long, what's the span

33:36

from when you left as a full time? I'm

33:38

just curious. I think the first year I just

33:40

really like sat down and just, you

33:43

know, jumped right into my acting career. And like

33:45

went into acting classes, which is going very

33:47

well by the way, we'll get to that. But anyway,

33:49

but like, then I was like, wait a minute, come

33:51

Mr. Girls. And when I'm in Atlanta, like they would

33:53

still invite me to stuff. But I'm like, what are

33:55

they filming it? So it was like weird to go

33:57

and be on camera and not be

33:59

able to. part of the show, so I was like,

34:01

well, we have to figure something out because I would

34:04

want to go, but I was like, can I get

34:06

paid to go? Because if I have to be Mike,

34:08

like it's just kind of weird for me to go

34:10

and not like be paid at that point. So anyway,

34:12

long story short, we figured something out and

34:14

it was so unofficial. And then this

34:17

year for Sweet 16, which ends up being

34:19

more of a surprise 16, because a lot

34:21

of crazy stuff happens this season. They

34:26

came to me and said, hey, we would love for you to

34:28

be a friend, but like in a more

34:30

official way, which basically means I went on the trips

34:33

and stuff, which is an unofficial friend, you don't get

34:35

invited to the trips. And as

34:37

an unofficial friend, you usually don't get to do

34:39

confessionals, but they still let me do confessionals as

34:41

an unofficial friend. But officially now I do trips

34:43

and the confessionals and I shot a lot this

34:45

season, so you'll see a lot of me. Before

34:48

we get more into humble brag, I have a

34:50

question to you, especially around friends, official friends or

34:53

unofficial friends when it comes to Bravo. Okay, I

34:55

know I'm not gonna like this question, go ahead.

34:57

What, why not? I just can feel the energy

34:59

of it. Go ahead, hit me. You're in the

35:01

loop more than I'm in the loop. You're friends

35:04

with Tamara, right? Well,

35:06

I am, I'm closer to Teddy.

35:08

That's who I know. And I'm very

35:10

cool with Tamara, obviously. I've never

35:12

met Tamara. Okay, she's awesome. I've friends

35:15

with, I consider Teddy a friend. Definitely.

35:17

Teddy's been on the show. I just saw Teddy at

35:19

the event the other night we were just talking about.

35:21

I like Teddy. Yeah, me too. Okay,

35:24

well, yeah. What's the question? Call me out. I'm

35:27

just over-commiting my business, but yeah. Oh my God.

35:30

From a fan standpoint, I know Teddy as a person. As a

35:32

person, I love Teddy. I'm a big, I'm a big Bravo fan,

35:34

so I feel like Anyways,

35:36

we have been watching OC

35:38

like crazy. And you,

35:41

as I'm sure you probably know the

35:43

main storyline, Shannon Bador, her recovery, her

35:45

healing. Yeah,

35:49

healing journey. And everyone, specifically Alexis, are

35:51

you familiar with what's going on? Yes,

35:53

I definitely have an idea. And I

35:56

also saw Alexis in John

35:58

at the event. And

36:00

at that event, Alexis was doing the red carpet, like

36:02

asking why people don't feel bad for her. And I'm

36:04

like, well, I can tell you why people don't feel

36:06

bad for you. But like, what am I missing as

36:09

a viewer, as a fan of the show? I'm new

36:11

to the show. I'm new to all

36:13

these people. I understand that Shannon Beador

36:15

seems like she has been messy

36:17

in times. And yes, maybe it has

36:20

over consumed all these things. But

36:22

my understanding of Bravo World is

36:25

that it's all about to come up. Bravo wants to keep

36:27

their people on the middle ground. If you're too high, they

36:29

knock you off a peg. If

36:32

you're too low, how do you explain? What?

36:36

Wait, what? So if you're too high, they knock you down a

36:38

bit? Yes. If you're, it's like

36:40

if you're living life, if everything's going well. I'd

36:43

be like, oh, you're doing too good. Can I

36:45

tell you? Someone comes for you. But I actually

36:47

don't think that's isolated to Bravo. I think that's

36:49

the one. It's kind of like a reality TV.

36:51

Yeah, because I remember my first season, I was

36:53

like, I just depressed all the time, crying all

36:56

the time. I don't know why people feel this

36:58

way about me. That would be a typical first

37:00

season. And then I remember walking into the house

37:02

and Rob and my brother and a couple of

37:04

their guy friends are watching a football game. And

37:07

I walk in and I go, oh, who do you guys

37:09

want to win? It was college. And they said, da, da,

37:11

da. I go, why? They're

37:13

like, oh, because I don't know. They're the underdog.

37:16

And it was like, bing. I'm like, OK,

37:19

that is just human. People

37:21

don't want to see the winners win. They

37:24

want to see the losers win. And then

37:26

once they build them up and they get

37:28

that trophy, it's like chop them down. Yeah,

37:31

they don't like that. So I think that's inherently.

37:33

I don't think people just keep winning and winning

37:35

and winning. You know what I mean? Just

37:38

Bravo. But I think specifically to the

37:40

fans of Bravo and the network, I

37:42

think for the fans who watch Housewives,

37:44

I think they all find you women

37:46

obviously very interesting. But all of Bravo

37:48

fans want to see your authenticity, right?

37:50

And I think the fans who watch

37:52

the show, like all of you, are

37:54

imperfect people. And I think we see

37:57

ourselves through the people we watch on

37:59

these shows. And I think when we

38:01

watch someone go through it,

38:04

hit rock bottom or fuck up

38:06

in a way that they really need

38:08

to be held accountable and apologize and

38:10

go on their healing journey, we wanna

38:12

see these people get through it and

38:14

get to the other side because that

38:17

gives us hope for ourselves. So when

38:19

Shannon has a DUI and isn't a

38:21

hit and run, yeah, we know

38:23

she fucked up. We've talked all our shit about all,

38:25

we were pretty hard on Shannon when it happened and

38:27

I'm like, wow, fuck, this is crazy. But

38:30

here she is like seemingly trying to

38:32

do the shit together. I

38:34

know you asked her, but this is my theory. Okay,

38:36

absolutely. So let me finish the question, you can answer.

38:38

But why the fuck is the whole horrible cast acting

38:40

as if like it's time to beat on Shannon? Okay,

38:42

so this is my theory. I'm not there, I don't

38:44

know. I know I hear a little bit, I'm friends

38:46

with some of the people, so I hear a little

38:48

bit. But my theory is that

38:50

it's easy for the audience if they're

38:53

disconnected, they don't have true connections with

38:55

these people, right? They're just voyeurs, you

38:57

know? That they're

38:59

like on a simple level, like

39:02

I just said, underdog buildup. But

39:05

within the comments of the group, their

39:07

actual real relationships, I'm

39:09

sure the girls who are at her are annoyed

39:13

or like we've already gone through this, like you've

39:15

already gone through rehab, I don't know, I'm assuming

39:17

this, right? So I would be like, we have

39:19

told you time and time, by the way, I

39:22

have no sides because I don't watch it, but

39:24

I'm like time and time again, I've told you

39:26

this is the problem and now the audience is

39:28

against us for saying these are

39:31

our boundaries, maybe they're just like, that's what

39:33

they're feeling, the boundaries. Maybe, but

39:35

like, there's a camera's like laughing at Shannon

39:37

and time. Well that's gonna be an issue.

39:39

I need an update, I need an update

39:41

because the last I caught up with, I

39:43

thought that everyone felt bad for Shannon and

39:46

they were giving Alexis a really hard time

39:48

for bringing John on the show. That's

39:50

the core of it, right? So what has happened

39:52

in the last week? It's really, that's the core of

39:55

it. You got John suing Shannon. It's

39:57

because maybe Shannon's the darling of the season right

39:59

now. Everyone's rallying against her and they're sick of

40:01

it. Who's rallying against Shannon? Because women are cruel

40:03

and bitches. The other housewives are

40:05

rallying against Shannon? First, they

40:07

seem inconvenienced by having to pick

40:10

sides between Alexis and Shannon. So

40:12

there's that, which comes across as

40:14

weird. And Shannon just gives, like,

40:17

if I'm Shannon, I think

40:19

everyone's watching this being like, of course if you're

40:21

Shannon, you would

40:23

be annoyed by Alexis's existence and

40:25

behavior. Yes, that 100%. And then

40:28

all of Shannon's peers that are

40:30

friends are kind of acting

40:32

as if they don't understand why

40:34

Shannon's so upset about all

40:36

this. That's crazy. That's actually crazy. Do

40:38

you think, though, it's because the show,

40:40

because there is that barrier where we'd

40:42

be like, why

40:46

are you bringing this person around? But then

40:49

also, we also know, we signed a contract.

40:51

We know who's coming. Right, well, I know

40:53

why. So you sort of have to accept

40:55

that that's the filming schedule. Right, that's what

40:57

I'm saying. I'm clear why Alexis

40:59

is there. I mean, it's great for

41:01

her to be there for great TV. That's what I mean.

41:04

For sure, for sure. It's like she could like torture Shannon.

41:06

Yes, yes. It's like her

41:08

existence does. But anyway, like for

41:10

me, Shannon, I totally, my heart

41:12

goes out to Shannon. And I

41:14

really like for a number of

41:16

different reasons. However, however, I do

41:19

think that, you know, in the

41:21

TV world, Alexis was on the show at one point.

41:23

I don't think it's crazy for her to come back

41:26

and why not bring Juicy John to like to

41:28

stir it all up or whatever. But what I

41:31

found, and I haven't been totally keeping up with

41:33

it like 100%, but I know the broad strokes

41:35

of what's happening. I felt like if

41:37

I was Alexis and I was gonna come back over here and get

41:39

this check and bring John with me because I'm so in love with

41:41

him and he's so in love with me and it just is the

41:43

way it turned out. I feel like I would

41:46

kind of be like, not that Shannon would want to be my

41:48

friend. I just feel like I wouldn't be awful to her. I

41:50

would just kind of be like, 100% hey,

41:52

like I know you hate me, but like,

41:54

can we, like I would try to really

41:56

like try to have some empathy for her

41:58

and try to have like side things with

42:01

her. instead of letting the group kind of

42:03

dictate the temperature of what's happening. Yeah, but

42:05

right now the approach is Alexis is this

42:07

kind of inserting herself in the group and

42:09

then in a weird way acting like Shannon's

42:12

ruining her and John's life. Okay, do you

42:14

think Alexis is trying to get an

42:17

orange? Yeah. Of course. Oh, okay, well then

42:19

she's just- Well, clearly she's trying to get

42:21

an orange. Okay, well then that's what it

42:23

is. And it's cruel. Does she not have

42:25

one? Is she a friend? Yeah. She's a

42:27

friend. She did all this for a friend.

42:29

Yeah, yeah. Wow. Is she an official friend?

42:31

Hold on. But I bet you they

42:33

offered a contract. She didn't go on the trip. But

42:36

they made it seem like Shannon had invited her,

42:39

but I'm so tired of Bravo pretending. She gave

42:41

a lot. She gave a lot. They don't host

42:43

the trips? Yes. We talked about

42:45

the- Wait, what about hosting the trips? Bravo

42:47

talks like right now in the storyline. I

42:50

mean, I love Bravo C, but like right

42:52

now it's just like, well, if you

42:54

can afford to take the girls on a trip and you can afford to

42:56

pay John Jensen, I'm like, she didn't fucking pay for that shit. Yeah, she

42:58

did. The best thing that

43:00

ever happened to reality TV was breaking the

43:02

fourth wall. Like the fact that we had

43:04

to pretend that we actually paid money to

43:06

take 25 people on a trip

43:09

is insane. No, it's stupid. And

43:11

like, oh, where are you staying? I don't

43:13

know, sponsored by whatever hotel. Sponsored by the

43:16

storyline. I have you seamlessly add that in

43:18

there. Like it's just, it's a blip. It's

43:20

a moment, right? Like inviting everyone. It's lazy

43:22

storytelling, Bravo. Stop. No, but I

43:24

mean, honestly, how are you gonna say it's like, an

43:26

insert paid, you know, like, you're not gonna do that.

43:28

It's like, we know, right? Like we knew like 30

43:31

years ago, we were unsure

43:33

if wrestling was real or fake, but now

43:35

we know. Just don't

43:37

use it as storytelling because now then

43:39

they're using it. Because you guys know. Just go on

43:41

the trip. Everyone knows. Just get on the plane and

43:43

go. Well, I got like a bad, like we did

43:45

a trip to Barcelona and it ended

43:47

up being like a really crappy trip. I

43:49

won't say who's strip it was supposed to be, but

43:52

it was so bad and like the place was awful

43:54

and we had to like leave and everyone was complaining.

43:56

And then she literally, she had like more rank than

43:58

me. She was like. I don't want this to be

44:00

my trip. And they were like, well, it has to

44:03

be somebody's trip. And of course they're like, Cynthia,

44:05

would you mind? They're

44:08

like, this is your trip. Oh, really? No, I

44:10

have to have a shitty trip just because it

44:13

didn't work out. And I literally had to sit

44:15

in my confessionals and go, well, I was looking

44:17

at Airbnbs and it looked really great. I literally

44:19

had nothing to do with the trip. And

44:22

I totally had to take the L. This is

44:24

stuff that we had to do back in the

44:26

day. And I just want to say for the

44:28

record now, for anyone that saw that Barcelona episode,

44:30

that was not actually my trip. None

44:33

of them are. But I am cheap. And I

44:35

would have picked a very reasonable place for sex.

44:37

Dude, I just don't think. It could have been

44:39

my trip. People watching. I just don't even feel

44:41

like this is some big. Yes,

44:43

they do believe it. No, they do. I

44:45

just got yelled at. Someone sent me those

44:47

horrible DM. You are part of

44:49

a cult and all these things. I'm like, what

44:51

are you talking about? I can't believe you're a

44:54

Scientologist. And I'm like, you have the wrong person.

44:56

This is so crazy. You have the wrong Minkoff? I'm

44:59

like, I'm not talking about this.

45:01

People still ask me every day, is

45:04

it scripted? Like, they literally ask me, like, is

45:06

it scripted? And I just think it's crazy at

45:08

this point where people ask me that. Like, clearly

45:11

we are not sitting there as actors like studying

45:13

like the line. We almost can't even

45:15

make it. But you're actually saying the opposite of

45:17

what the trip is. You're like, of course it's

45:19

not scripted. But. It's staged. But you

45:21

actually made up. No, it's not staged. We're put in

45:23

situations. That's what I mean, staged. Well,

45:26

OK, for lack of a better word. Yeah,

45:28

I think people think stage is almost scripted.

45:30

Stage is like you're creating a situation. You're

45:32

creating an environment. You're staging a situation. And

45:34

it's like, go. And then from

45:36

there, all the conversations are

45:38

authentic. Right. Just like 1000

45:40

percent. Like the bachelor stage. Like controlled. Yeah,

45:42

exactly. They have to say, you have to

45:44

go have lunch with candy. You're on a

45:46

trip. You're in a Sprinter van, whatever. You know,

45:48

like. They bring and stand in front of

45:50

a mansion. Yeah, I don't know. It's just.

45:54

I mean, because again, we we

45:56

have to make a TV show. We understand it's

45:58

a TV show. Let's not pretend. You

46:01

just want like the trips to like just not be

46:03

just slide into just get on the trip Don't you

46:05

get on the trip? I don't I don't but it

46:07

sounds like they made a whole storyline out of not

46:09

inviting her So maybe that was a thing maybe she

46:11

was supposed to go on the trip I'm

46:14

fine with that storyline like Vanderpump does that

46:16

sometimes where they do it's just like am

46:18

I invited to she was wedding? Am I

46:20

not invited to she was wedding and something?

46:23

Okay fine But when you start when you're

46:25

when you start using the cost of said

46:27

trip while simultaneously giving me a like Oh

46:29

like I paid for this an ad Which

46:33

they're traveling on right? Okay, and you know

46:35

a shot of the hotel and signage It's

46:37

just like you guys are totally messing this

46:39

up for everyone who didn't realize That's

46:43

why they listen to us Show

46:47

is gonna be I tell you what's BTS.

46:49

We are smart fans. We are smart fans

46:52

We're professional TV watchers I'm

46:55

a fan of said reality TV. I

46:57

know as someone who Yes,

47:00

I know more than as much as anyone

47:02

how the sausage is made and I still

47:04

love this That's

47:08

what I'm saying you can still love it you can still

47:10

you can still demand authenticity From

47:12

your your because you can still be authentic

47:14

in it in an environment that is stage

47:17

is yours more more staged Yeah,

47:19

well it's a more of a controlled environment,

47:21

okay, so stage in that sense where it's

47:23

just like it's always the same environment Right.

47:26

Is it somewhat scripted? Oh, I would say

47:28

the bachelor's the least scripted Oh, yeah, I

47:30

believe that but they keep you up like

47:32

all night, right? No, that's

47:34

what I've heard like it's really late. There's content

47:36

to record. It's not a like a it's it's

47:38

it's in No way are they keeping you up

47:40

for the purposes of see for torture for torture?

47:43

It's just like there's just a lot, you know,

47:45

you've you've filmed me on TV hurry up and

47:47

wait, you know Everything takes time.

47:49

Yeah, you know and things are delayed. It's

47:51

not like You know, it's just

47:53

like in your cast. It's like you've

47:55

been around drinkers you and some people don't

47:57

drink. Yeah Yeah, you know, yeah, I just

48:00

I literally could not do reality to be

48:02

without a cocktail. But no

48:04

one's there being like, make sure Cynthia has her

48:06

drunken drink. No. Actually, that's good

48:08

to debunk. People think, oh, they try

48:10

to get you drunk, they don't feed you. I wanna

48:12

clear that up. Yeah, that's not true at all. Because

48:15

we have a bunch of non-drinkers on our show who

48:17

literally never drink. And I'll just go ahead and just

48:19

say, Candy Bears does not drink alcohol. And no one

48:21

has ever asked her to drink alcohol. Well, maybe on

48:23

one of my birthdays, I was like, can you just

48:26

have one shot with me? But for the most part,

48:28

that's like as a friend saying, participate with us. Or

48:30

to drink anything. All of that does not happen on

48:32

the Real Housewives of Atlanta for sure. I can't speak

48:34

to all the reality TV shows in the world. But

48:37

for Atlanta, definitely not. If anything is the opposite, I'm

48:39

literally driving to a scene going, as soon as I

48:41

get there, that margarita better be on the table. I'm

48:43

gonna go ahead and get that order in and keep

48:45

them coming until I leave. And if I have to

48:48

over- Yeah, they'll text you your order. Yeah, and then

48:50

like, if you wanna drink the hub and ready. But

48:52

other than that- Yes, but we asked for it. Yeah,

48:54

and then when you're filming these, our vacations together, there's

48:58

so much content to film. So like when

49:00

you're in the vans, I don't know for

49:02

you guys, sometimes there's not, we skip the

49:04

meal scene, but they'll always- Oh, Atlanta doesn't

49:07

skip any meal scenes. Oh, we will. But

49:09

they have sandwiches in the car, in the

49:11

vans, and we're like scarfing down food. Yeah,

49:14

but no, they don't force that. So big

49:16

season of Beverly Hills is about to come

49:18

out. Yeah, another big season. Yeah, you will

49:20

not be on it. I will not be

49:23

on it. No, who? It's

49:25

okay. I know. But I

49:27

loved you on it. I love your last season. Thank you.

49:29

I felt like you were finally getting your groove. Yeah, she

49:31

was. I think I was. You were starting to get real

49:34

messy. I was. You were. I was finally starting.

49:36

I wasn't saying I was comfortable yet, but

49:39

I was starting to feel

49:41

comfortable. Because it takes a while to

49:43

like, go through the whole cycle of it

49:45

airing, watching it. And then when I rewatch it

49:47

for this, like, you know when they like

49:49

preview it, like right before the next season, it

49:52

all seemed such nonsense and

49:54

irrelevant when at the moment it's airing, it

49:56

feels so big and meaningful and like my

49:58

life is over. or someone else's life is

50:00

over. And then you watch it again, you're

50:02

like, oh my God, people literally, like

50:05

the way people like hated Erika,

50:07

like was so intense. And even just

50:10

us girls were like, no one's ever

50:13

had this experience on the show. And then

50:15

the next season, so like, queen. Whatever dancing.

50:18

And I was like, that was my learning lesson.

50:20

I was like, oh, it's really, nothing matters. None

50:22

of it matters. And I don't have a life

50:24

like that. That's so extreme. So like anything that

50:26

I said is like forgotten anyway. But

50:28

yeah, it was getting comfortable, but it was just,

50:31

it was done. I was like, as you say, you know,

50:33

it's like winding down. Like I didn't

50:35

know when it was gonna wind down, but I

50:37

also knew I was never going to amp up

50:40

for anyone. Like I just, that's not my

50:42

style. They pushed me, but like,

50:45

come on. Let's like, they wanted me to amp

50:47

up all the time. And I'm like, okay, I

50:49

did. Like I don't know what to say. I

50:51

am like a normal person and I'm not an

50:53

actor. I don't know how to do that. So

50:55

it was- It's not easy.

50:57

It's not easy, especially if you want to stay true

51:00

to who you are. Like if you're just not

51:02

like, you know. I want to tell you, I started

51:04

watching. Crazy. I mean, like some people are just made

51:06

for this stuff. Like I can't make it up. Like

51:08

I have cast mates, they want all the smoke. And

51:11

I'm literally like, no smoke, please. Like, please, I don't

51:13

want to like, I don't want

51:15

to, I just want to come and have

51:17

fun and drink and eat and go on

51:19

the trips and talk about stuff and like

51:21

help people make up. Like that's like, I've

51:23

always loved being the voice of reason. And

51:25

like literally like, even in my

51:27

confessionals, like, and that's the time when you

51:30

light everybody up. Because that's when like force

51:32

in person, usually everyone's pretty nice to you.

51:34

And then, you know, what I learned my

51:36

first season was I honestly thought everybody loved

51:38

me. I was like, this is awesome. I

51:40

knew this, we're gonna like me. I

51:43

watched that show and saw the confessionals and they were

51:45

literally calling me like, they said I was obsessed with

51:47

Nini because I was like her friend on the show

51:50

who I was loyal to because that's who they wanted

51:52

me to be friends with. They were

51:54

calling me like single black female. Like

51:57

they literally made it seem like, I actually was

51:59

watching. And I was like, am I a stalker?

52:01

Am I in love with Nini? What the hell

52:03

is going on? Because it really was

52:05

like, they sold it. It really like, and people

52:07

were all in my timeline. What is wrong with

52:09

you? And then I made the funny, awesome,

52:12

great, iconic mistake of coming up

52:14

with a friend contract to give to Nini.

52:16

And that just really stamped me as a

52:18

stalker because then I would have to see

52:21

professionals like Kim, Zozia, and go like, what is

52:23

wrong with her? Who gives someone a friend contract? I

52:25

was like. Wait, did you make that up? I

52:27

totally made it up. I thought it was hilarious. I

52:29

thought it was funny. Because I couldn't tell if she

52:31

was like, really my friend or not? Because I

52:33

would like hear them talking stuff. And I was like,

52:36

but wait, we're friends. Like, I don't understand. Like you're

52:38

like my one friend on the show that I thought

52:40

was like my girl. Like, what do I need

52:42

to do? Like put you on a contract? And I

52:44

thought it was hilarious. And it totally ended up making

52:47

me look insane. I've learned

52:49

about reality TV. Reality

52:51

TV doesn't really like your jokes. But

52:55

if you try to be, well, it's not, it's

52:57

just that they, so much about humor is timing.

53:00

And when it comes to reality

53:02

TV, they context is irrelevant. Timing

53:04

is a suggestion. By the way.

53:07

When, what happened when? Who knows?

53:09

That is very poignant for

53:11

me. Because I remember,

53:13

I feel like that's who I

53:15

am. I'm extremely sarcastic. Like that's

53:18

me. And that doesn't read on

53:20

TV. And I'll never

53:22

forget my very first all

53:24

cast event. It was my third day filming. I walked

53:26

in and it was at PK and Dreat's house. And

53:28

I had met PK a couple of times at somewhere

53:32

else, like at someone else's house. And

53:34

he's like, oh my God, like you're on

53:36

the show. Welcome. I said, hi. And he

53:38

goes, I'll give you advice. Everyone hated me

53:40

because I'm super sarcastic. Don't do that. Like,

53:42

just be careful. I'm like, okay, that,

53:44

and he did it genuinely as like,

53:46

like to help me. That

53:49

seized me up forever. I

53:51

was like, I can never make a joke because

53:54

they're gonna attack me for my joke or it's

53:56

not gonna land. So I

53:58

just avoided being. myself from

54:00

there. That really didn't mean when

54:03

I look back. That's true. Because I am literally

54:05

the snarkiest, more sarcastic person. And I was so

54:07

afraid that it's going to read whatever he was.

54:09

He's like, Oh, everyone hated me. Chris ever hated

54:11

me. They don't get it. They don't get your

54:14

jokes on TV. And you're right. It doesn't work.

54:16

But also it's like it turned on me by

54:18

not being myself. So maybe if I was myself,

54:20

it could have read. I have no idea. But

54:23

I think so. Well, Ho Brag is the place

54:25

where Chris Cole and Cynthia

54:27

will be there and stuff. We are funny

54:29

people. Speaking. Watch our. Yes. Of

54:32

PK and Dorit. Yes.

54:34

How do you think Dorit's going to be going

54:37

into the season? She is she single. What's going

54:39

on with? I don't know if she's single because

54:41

Rob ran into PK last week. Oh,

54:44

wow. Was he wearing a tracksuit?

54:47

I don't I didn't ask. I can't

54:49

ask my husband what other men are wearing. It's

54:52

like, what was he wearing? I

54:54

actually like PK. He blocked me. I've

54:57

never met PK because, you know, his wife and

54:59

I were like sparring, you know, you guys are

55:01

friends, right? I actually genuinely really liked first. And

55:04

then he blocked you as well. She didn't block

55:06

me. We followed each other. He's a lot of

55:08

people. He didn't block you. But he came in.

55:10

No. Yeah. But he blocked you because I think

55:13

he blocked. I'm surprised I found out later. But Dorit

55:15

and I think the thing with Dorit's been on the

55:17

show for, I think nine years now or something like

55:19

that. Like she also knows the game. It's like this

55:21

is what we do. We spar like and you move

55:23

on. Like I don't hold grudges. She

55:25

was my first person I liked. And we

55:28

actually hung out outside the show, which is

55:30

rare. People are like, where's the rest of

55:32

the crew? And you're like, you don't hang

55:34

out with these people like it's

55:36

rare. It's like one or two. I actually do hang up with some

55:38

men. All of them? It seems like a

55:40

mistake. But like if they call, like,

55:42

you know, like, hey, you know, we'll get together. But

55:44

you have five months of filming every day. Like I

55:46

have to go back to like my other friends. Like

55:48

they're all put on hold, you know. But Dorit and

55:50

I did and our daughters are the same age. So

55:53

we go to, you know, we invite our kids to

55:55

each other's birthday parties. We were having a good moment.

55:57

But then whatever. I think it was time that

55:59

we sparred. I think it's like you can't just

56:02

keep having the same fights with people. So just

56:04

started happening. Nonetheless, PK blocked me. It's fine. But

56:06

Rob ran into him and he goes, not gonna

56:08

believe I ran into I said, what was he

56:10

wearing? And he said

56:13

PK, I was like, he's very lovely.

56:16

And Rob, he goes, I said to him, did you

56:18

guys fake your divorce? Because you told me he said

56:20

that. And he goes, no, it was all real. And

56:22

so- So they are divorcing? No, I think that

56:24

they were having problems. I

56:27

think they're back together. I think it went through

56:29

a two month cycle. They're back together. That's what

56:32

I think. I don't know, actually, but it didn't

56:34

sound like they were not together. What Rob said,

56:36

he just said we were having problems and we

56:38

share them. I really wanted to see Dorit date

56:41

on next season. I know that would be more

56:43

interesting, I think. But Dorit's character dates, like she's like a

56:45

person with young kids. And you never used to have next

56:47

season. You never know. I wish that Rob would have responded

56:49

to PK when he asked how you and the kids were

56:52

like, if you wouldn't block Crystal, you could find out. By

56:55

the way, he didn't know. I don't tell Rob

56:57

this because he'd be really sensitive to that. He'd

57:00

be like, why? Because he sees it all as

57:02

very surface. The

57:04

whole thing, all the fighting. He's like, why

57:06

are you crying? It's so funny, this episode.

57:08

They're telling me I'm manipulative. He goes, oh,

57:10

it's so funny. He thinks it's all stupid

57:12

because he's a director. He thinks it's entertainment.

57:15

So when he sees everyone off the

57:17

show, he's like, oh, yeah, we're all in this

57:19

together. He doesn't think- So I said he actually

57:22

blocked me. I think he would be like- I

57:24

think blocking someone is such an intentional, strong, aggressive

57:26

move. For me, you have to be awful to

57:28

me for me to actually block you. Unless- I'll

57:30

mute you. Unless they broke your heart. I don't

57:33

need to. I love muting people. It's my favorite

57:35

button. But if I actually take the time to

57:37

block you, then I really, really- And I want

57:39

you to know it. You have offended me, insulted

57:42

me. You have just done the most of my

57:44

timeline for me to say. Should I be more

57:46

upset? You can't be here anymore. It's a move.

57:48

I don't- I don't think- Should I be upset?

57:51

That is a lot. Well, I don't think you

57:53

need to be bothered by PK in general.

57:55

Block Amy. Yeah. I mean, you don't have to leave-

57:57

We're all hanging over it, but- I'm going to spend

58:00

time tonight and process. I am certainly looking forward to

58:02

hearing your takes on this season.

58:04

I will be giving them. Prediction, who do you think

58:07

will be on the up and

58:09

who do you think will be on the down this

58:11

season on Beverly Hills Housewives? It's hard to say because

58:13

they're all friendly. They're all getting along. So

58:16

I don't know what the season's gonna look like. Every

58:18

year I've been on, people like literally hate each

58:20

other. Like they're at each

58:22

other's throats at the end of the

58:25

season. Like everyone's liking each other and

58:27

commenting and buddy-buddy, so... You don't think

58:29

that's performative? No. These girls

58:31

don't perform nice. Like it's

58:33

not like performatively nice. I

58:35

genuinely don't know. I

58:37

do know that it was like Doree

58:39

versus Kyle first. Because that's

58:42

how it ended. Yeah. And then they got

58:44

their back together. Yeah. And then

58:46

I know that Doree fights with a lot of

58:48

the girls. So whether she's up or down, we'll

58:50

have to watch. But I don't know like... She

58:52

was down last season. Hell yeah, she was. So

58:55

I feel like Doree's gotta be kinda on the

58:57

up. I hope she... Kyle's... Kyle's

58:59

a staple. She's always up or down. She

59:02

doesn't care. She's always a main character, I suppose. Yeah, she is.

59:05

It's her show. When I started the show, I was

59:07

told by the girls, this is Kyle's show. They

59:10

let you know. I do think of her. When I think of

59:12

Beverly Hills, I think of Kyle. She's

59:14

kinda earned it. It's... She's the... Totally

59:17

she's earned it in me. I was being

59:19

hazed and she's like the queen, the den

59:21

mother, whatever it's called. Yeah, the president. Like

59:23

she's... And she will always be president. Yeah,

59:25

she's been on for... She's an OG. She's

59:27

been on from day one. Well, ladies, I

59:30

am excited for you guys to launch your

59:32

show. What can people expect in your first

59:34

couple episodes? Ooh. Uh, runaway train. Um, we...

59:37

We were supposed... We had like two jobs, just

59:39

to say how we met and why we did

59:41

a podcast together. And we literally, like, I... Fucked

59:44

it up. I don't even know how I

59:47

tried to apply for a job with Delta on the podcast.

59:51

So when I thought about starting

59:53

this podcast, it was really like, okay, I'm on this

59:55

show about Beverly Hills' Housewives.

59:58

Yet, no one is. No

1:00:00

one is authentically that except me. I

1:00:02

feel like I'm just like everybody else

1:00:05

But under this weird sort of

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veil of LA Hollywood that there's always these I

1:00:09

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LA And they're like that's not a normal story

1:00:13

I'm like it is and like that's not what

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people like that's not how life is like it

1:00:18

is and I was like it would be Fun

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out every fucking day Have you

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have ridiculous stories that you don't know

1:00:28

they are? It's just

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your life your life is jet-setting

1:00:33

and and fun and crazy and

1:00:35

so I thought it would fun to like share those

1:00:37

stories and Give a little

1:00:39

BTS of you know What has gone down

1:00:41

for me the last four years in your

1:00:43

last 11 years and yeah, I

1:00:46

mean it's a lot I mean for like the

1:00:48

whole Cynthia and crystal connection of it all I

1:00:50

think people don't Wouldn't normally just

1:00:52

put us together like I don't think we

1:00:55

would have known each other. Yeah wasn't for the brother And

1:00:59

yeah, we are yeah for me like I

1:01:01

was always always tried to like carry myself

1:01:03

with like grace and class on the show

1:01:05

Which basically for reality TV means boring and

1:01:07

I felt like in a lot of ways

1:01:09

you kind of got that Yeah tag as

1:01:12

well because you were like, you

1:01:14

know mindful you're like empathetic. You're like, oh

1:01:16

my god I don't want to be hurtful

1:01:18

or whatever. So I think This

1:01:20

is a great space for us to

1:01:22

actually show our true Personalities like

1:01:25

some of the things that you guys don't get

1:01:27

to see on you know The house by platforms

1:01:29

which is great because like even like the whole

1:01:31

funny thing like I think I'm pretty funny as

1:01:33

well But I wasn't cast it to be the

1:01:35

funny one. Yes Like you get sort of pigeonholed,

1:01:37

but it's beyond that we just we

1:01:40

just vibe and we vibe with you Yeah,

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we thought hey I

1:01:47

was like likewise. That's my people.

1:01:49

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heard some rumors that we might be

1:05:21

anticipating a little bit of a crossover

1:05:23

of some bachelor nation people into other

1:05:26

universes perfect match rumored I've seen this online

1:05:28

Yeah, there's been so so maybe maybe love

1:05:30

is blind in the future as well. Interesting

1:05:32

I would watch it Well, cuz that's interesting

1:05:34

too because it's like you kind of recognize

1:05:36

the voice Would you want to see Jason

1:05:38

Tardik on love is blind? Yeah, wait, that's

1:05:40

a good point Like what if I'm talking

1:05:42

to Morgan Freeman? Like I'm gonna know it's

1:05:44

Morgan Freeman Like

1:05:46

a lot of these people do have very distinct

1:05:49

voices So it also

1:05:51

adds like a guessing factor too because it's like,

1:05:53

you know kind of like who could be there

1:05:56

Whereas like if it's complete strangers like

1:05:58

maybe you've seen on a dating app,

1:06:00

but otherwise, but instead of being like,

1:06:02

you know, what celebrity do

1:06:04

you look like? It would be like, what shows

1:06:07

have you been in? What movies

1:06:09

have you been in? It's very easy. I want

1:06:11

an Oscar. It's very easy to deduce who it

1:06:13

is, I think. I think there are holes. Also,

1:06:15

if it's celebrities, I feel like the cast will

1:06:18

get leaked far before. And people will like know

1:06:20

who all is in there. Well, if you make

1:06:22

it to like the next phase. Yeah, it's like

1:06:24

hide your relationship, spot it out. Filming a project,

1:06:27

whatever it is, yeah. Well, the new batch of

1:06:29

Love is Blind episodes are out and we'll be

1:06:32

breaking down episode 10 on this episode and we'll

1:06:34

be breaking down episode 11, NECA's episode. And then

1:06:36

the finale comes out after that, Mr.

1:06:39

Garrett and Miss Taylor. Yes.

1:06:42

I thought this was a really interesting

1:06:44

conversation because like here you have Garrett

1:06:46

and Taylor seeming to be like super

1:06:48

communicative, super open, super honest, really embracing

1:06:50

this. I really pride myself in being

1:06:52

an honest guy, especially in relationships. I

1:06:54

really want to be honest, transparent. As

1:06:56

humans sometimes do, you kind of get

1:06:58

caught up, you get stressed, you get

1:07:00

afraid of what to say and you

1:07:03

don't know how to say something. And

1:07:05

I feel like that's what Garrett did in

1:07:07

the situation. Like he definitely was not honest.

1:07:10

It's... And

1:07:12

in his defense, this was all within like a

1:07:14

day span. So it was really fast. People are

1:07:16

like, they're working their jobs still. So it's like...

1:07:19

But I can kind of, I just like watching

1:07:21

it play out. I just feel like we've all

1:07:23

been Garrett before. Yes, we have, exactly. You know,

1:07:25

where something like... Here

1:07:28

he has an ex reach out, right?

1:07:31

He didn't control that. It

1:07:33

wasn't like, he didn't ask for that. We're

1:07:36

gonna give him the benefit of the doubt that his ex did

1:07:38

randomly reach out. And then he

1:07:41

probably had an all fuck moment. It's

1:07:43

like, do I tell her? Do I not tell her? I

1:07:45

know she's gonna care about it. I know she's gonna

1:07:47

be mad about it. I don't really care about it. And

1:07:49

this means nothing to me. This is

1:07:51

a nothing burger. So like, I'll

1:07:54

kind of tell her about... I think we kind of

1:07:56

all do stuff like that and we've done it at

1:07:58

that time. You don't think so? I just said... I

1:08:01

mean, I'm sure done it in certain situations,

1:08:03

but I feel like to your partner, like

1:08:05

why are you leaving that out if you

1:08:07

don't think you did something wrong? Yeah, also

1:08:09

I feel like in this situation, they don't

1:08:11

have enough time to be fucking around like

1:08:13

this. No, I get that. But you've

1:08:15

never been Garrett. Well,

1:08:17

the purpose- With this specifically, no. And I

1:08:19

think that- I'm not

1:08:22

talking about this specific scenario where- Not having an

1:08:24

ex reaching out and you not tell them, but

1:08:26

like- Just a scenario where like- A part of

1:08:28

the whole story. Specifically

1:08:30

on something, I'm talking about something

1:08:32

where like, I think we

1:08:34

can all agree that Garrett's ex reaching out to

1:08:37

him, he didn't do anything wrong. That part happens

1:08:39

every day. And it's also something that if he

1:08:41

told Taylor in that moment, it could potentially trigger

1:08:43

her and upset her, right? That is true. We

1:08:46

agree with that? I don't think that Garrett did

1:08:48

anything wrong. I think that- Well, I think he

1:08:50

did something wrong. I think that, no, no, I

1:08:52

think that in the text, I don't think he

1:08:55

did anything wrong. I think if his ex reaches

1:08:57

out and he says, I'm with someone- Stop reaching

1:08:59

out. So you never buy, that's fine. But

1:09:02

he omitted the fact that he answered the test.

1:09:04

I know, we're not- And he said that he

1:09:06

just liked it. No, I get it. I

1:09:08

know what he did. That's a part he's wrong. I know what

1:09:10

he did wrong. And I'm not defending his actions. I think what

1:09:13

I'm trying to paint, I'm trying to paint a picture of, I

1:09:15

empathize with the situation that Garrett found

1:09:17

himself in. And I'm not saying what

1:09:19

he did was right. And I understand

1:09:22

why she was very upset and I

1:09:24

would be very upset too. I

1:09:26

just like, I know those situations where, if

1:09:28

Garrett didn't do anything wrong, but he knows

1:09:30

that a situation happened where that will upset

1:09:32

his partner. So it's not like

1:09:35

Garrett's like, hey, I need to own up to

1:09:37

this because I fucked up. It's more like, well,

1:09:39

I didn't really do anything here. And I can

1:09:41

understand why he got to the decision that he

1:09:43

did. I didn't think he would agree that he

1:09:46

did it wrong. I think

1:09:48

he would agree that he fucked up

1:09:50

and wishes he did it differently. I

1:09:52

just know in those moments when it

1:09:54

happens so fast that sometimes we are

1:09:56

able to talk ourselves into doing the

1:09:58

wrong thing because like, We didn't

1:10:00

do, it's like I didn't do anything here. Like this

1:10:02

is a nothing thing. And then you realize

1:10:04

your partner's upset and you're kind of like, why the

1:10:06

fuck did I do it that way? Like why? And

1:10:09

when Garrett was like mad at himself, I

1:10:11

really, I felt like I've been him at

1:10:13

times. Not that it was an identical situation.

1:10:16

I think there are times where you can

1:10:18

fuck up, have to apologize and it doesn't

1:10:20

mean you had bad intentions or that you're

1:10:22

doing something nefarious or that you are now

1:10:24

an untrustworthy person. She

1:10:26

doesn't know that yet, you know, and now she has

1:10:29

to like ask him questions and like she has to

1:10:31

deep dive and she has the right to,

1:10:33

you know, feel like what the fuck

1:10:35

is going on now. But I really,

1:10:37

I really understood Garrett's fuck up. And

1:10:39

I really think it was just a

1:10:42

fuck up. I do think that, that

1:10:44

Taylor gave him the opportunity though, to

1:10:46

explain himself before they entered the party

1:10:49

where he had the time and space to

1:10:51

say what happened then. They stopped watching, yeah.

1:10:53

And it was just odd that he, he

1:10:55

didn't just omit honestly. He lied, like he

1:10:57

said, I just liked the message. So it's

1:11:00

not even an omission. He, she

1:11:02

asked him, she said, okay, here's your opportunity to

1:11:04

give me the details. And he didn't

1:11:06

do it. No, I know he fucked up for

1:11:08

sure. He was wrong. I think we like to

1:11:11

paint things as black and white. I think we

1:11:13

like to oversimplify. We like to be like, well,

1:11:15

I've never lied before and I would never do

1:11:17

that in there, in this situation. And if I

1:11:19

really tried to be nuanced about this and really

1:11:21

honest with myself as someone who really prides himself

1:11:23

and being very honest in my relationships, I

1:11:26

have found myself being like, why

1:11:28

did I do that? That was stupid. So are

1:11:30

you a facts guy? Cause they get into this

1:11:32

argument at the end of the episode, at the

1:11:34

end of episode 10, where they're defining facts versus

1:11:36

details. Cause he was saying it's a detail and

1:11:38

she's like, no, it's a fact. I mean, I

1:11:40

was definitely in an agreement with her at that

1:11:43

point. Yeah. I also think people do

1:11:45

things like that where I'm like, I think he was trying

1:11:47

to protect Taylor's feelings, being like, it's not a big deal.

1:11:49

So why would I let you get

1:11:51

upset over this when I'm just telling you she

1:11:53

did reach out, it was nothing, but I'm like

1:11:55

at the same time when you're trying to protect

1:11:57

somebody else's feelings, you don't know how she's going

1:11:59

to react in that. So instead it just ended

1:12:01

up doing more damage than just you being forthcoming

1:12:03

from the get-go I feel like they're

1:12:05

about to walk there. They got cameras on and they

1:12:07

got mics on they're about to walk into this event

1:12:10

He's like this is bad fucking timing like let's

1:12:12

just out We can talk about it later like

1:12:14

and didn't feel like getting into it And then

1:12:16

he kind of got caught

1:12:19

off guard by Tyler's question and felt kind

1:12:21

of like bro We with Tyler for a

1:12:23

second and just like accidentally dropped it out

1:12:26

Wait, what the fuck you responded and it

1:12:29

was very like we'll go get your phone He's like whoa my

1:12:32

phone's over there And it was it was like he

1:12:34

got caught when I felt like that They probably would

1:12:36

have had that conversation once they got home and they

1:12:38

were like let's talk about he was like, okay Like

1:12:40

let me show you the message like this is what

1:12:43

I said and it probably would have been a different

1:12:45

scenario But because they're about to walk into this event

1:12:47

He's like I don't like let's not get into it

1:12:49

right now Like we can talk about it later and

1:12:51

then Tyler like kind of pulls it out of them

1:12:54

It just was like all in all it could just

1:12:56

a bad I think a lot

1:12:58

of it had to do with him being on

1:13:00

camera and I completely agree with Natalie in our

1:13:02

relationship I've had people from my past reach out

1:13:05

Knowing that it's like I'm gonna tell Natalie they

1:13:07

reached out and I know it's gonna irritate her

1:13:09

and it's like it's gonna put Her in a

1:13:11

certain mood, and I didn't do anything wrong, but

1:13:13

it's just like when it happens You're like it's

1:13:16

like, you know Like the how the

1:13:18

rest of the day or the rest of the hours

1:13:20

gonna go and it like I'll always tell her But

1:13:22

like sometimes I don't like I don't like Immediately

1:13:25

rush to her and go this happened and

1:13:27

this person reached out I will sometimes like

1:13:30

maybe rate wait for the right time Because

1:13:33

I just know it's gonna be triggering or

1:13:35

upsetting or if nothing else annoying, you know

1:13:37

And I think Garrett got caught up and

1:13:39

at a time where he's again on camera

1:13:41

in this crazy environment this crazy situation Happened

1:13:45

right before everyone's getting together and it's

1:13:47

like my guess is he really wanted

1:13:49

to tell her So that's why he

1:13:52

told her what he told her because it ate

1:13:54

him up to hide it from her But he

1:13:56

wasn't ready to get into it fully because of

1:13:58

knowing that would be a a deeper conversation and

1:14:01

they had to go to this party. And

1:14:03

then she kept asking more questions. And so he kind

1:14:05

of like, and you know what I'm saying? It kind

1:14:08

of unraveled from there. I think it's a difference of

1:14:10

preference. So for example, I would

1:14:12

want the full story right away,

1:14:15

regardless of like, oh, we're walking into a party.

1:14:17

Because in my mind, I'm like, I'd be spinning

1:14:19

the whole time, like what's the rest of the

1:14:21

story, what's going on? I want the information right

1:14:23

away. We all want it right away. But I'm

1:14:25

saying it's just like Garrett was trying to figure

1:14:27

out the right time. And his conscious probably had

1:14:30

him bring it up sooner than he wanted to,

1:14:32

knowing. And then it was like, it was over

1:14:34

from there because you're like, she's gonna wanna know.

1:14:36

If I have a preference, it's I want to

1:14:38

know nothing until we get home and they're like,

1:14:40

hey, let me tell you everything. Because like just

1:14:42

breadcrumbing a little bit. And then it's like, okay,

1:14:44

now I have to act like we're good when

1:14:46

I am kind of annoyed with you. And there's

1:14:48

like all these people around and we have to

1:14:51

be like the strong couple that we are. It's

1:14:53

like, oh, I don't feel like doing that. So

1:14:55

it's like, I would prefer to not

1:14:57

know anything until we get home that night. And

1:14:59

it's just us, no cameras, whatever. And

1:15:01

I can- And I know Nellie now. I know

1:15:04

how to handle these things. And we have

1:15:06

the trust where I could, if she were like,

1:15:08

well, why don't you tell me right away? It's

1:15:10

like, I was gonna wait till we got home.

1:15:12

And Nellie would be like, okay, that makes sense.

1:15:15

They don't have that rapport. They're in this

1:15:17

very serious relationship. They're learning each other. They have

1:15:19

the pressures of timing and urgency. And it's just

1:15:21

like a very imperfect situation for someone from

1:15:23

his past to reach out. Yeah. It

1:15:26

is interesting because I am

1:15:28

actually glad that they had a little bit

1:15:30

of conflict because to just be

1:15:32

so like in the honeymoon stage for the

1:15:35

whole time, it's like, you're gonna eventually have

1:15:37

conflict and this is how you learn each

1:15:39

other, right? Like he didn't know that Taylor

1:15:41

was maybe the kind of person who I

1:15:43

should just either tell her it

1:15:45

all upfront or all later and they're learning each

1:15:48

other still. And so now he knows and then

1:15:50

in the future, he'll be able to correct that.

1:15:52

And so I think that I'm

1:15:55

actually glad that they had

1:15:57

some conflict in their relationship. What did you think of

1:15:59

the conflict? between Tim and Alex. I was like, they

1:16:01

did not choose to keep going forward. I

1:16:03

never want to see you again. Tim said real fast, he said,

1:16:06

I will never see myself saying yes

1:16:08

to you forever. You took a

1:16:10

nap. How dare you? It's

1:16:13

giving Corinne. Yeah,

1:16:15

yeah, Corinne napped a lot of my season. What did she

1:16:17

say? She said a lot of things. No,

1:16:20

about the naps. And that's why you sent her home,

1:16:22

right? The naps. Corinne, during

1:16:24

that, yeah, what did she say? That they wanted her

1:16:26

to apologize for the naps and she was like, this

1:16:28

is the most ridiculous thing ever and that the producers

1:16:30

were like, time to apologize. And she's like, I'm

1:16:33

so sorry I took a

1:16:35

nap. Do you know

1:16:37

how silly it is for me to be apologizing

1:16:39

for napping? It is, that is crazy. I mean,

1:16:41

I can see his frustration of just being like,

1:16:44

my parents drove 10 hours. That

1:16:46

part's valid. And like, they've been through so

1:16:48

much and then hearing

1:16:50

her side of like, well, I did spend four

1:16:52

hours with them and like, you know, like, gosh.

1:16:55

The phone stuff was weird. Yeah, I was mad

1:16:57

at the text message after that she was taking

1:16:59

a nap in this, the text, right? And then

1:17:01

when she called, it's because you want to talk

1:17:03

on your time, but it's my time. I was

1:17:06

fully on her side. Yeah, he lost his mind.

1:17:08

I just don't understand how these two got

1:17:10

together. They could not be more different.

1:17:13

They're the opposite person. Yeah, it's like,

1:17:15

Tim is super organized. He's got everything

1:17:17

together. His house looks organized. Yeah, he's

1:17:20

a deliberate, intentional man who like, you

1:17:22

know, puts in a shit ton of

1:17:24

effort and consideration. Like he said, he

1:17:27

did wake up, fed her whole family.

1:17:29

He put a maximum amount of effort.

1:17:31

And that's a mistake people make in

1:17:33

relationships is like, they

1:17:35

expect the effort they put in. Yeah, keep the tabs.

1:17:39

That was crazy. Cause she was like,

1:17:41

and remember my mom doesn't like seasoning

1:17:43

on her chicken. And it was very like, he

1:17:46

was like, okay, like I gotta get this right.

1:17:48

Like he was, he was grinding for her family.

1:17:51

And then for her to like not really give the

1:17:53

same effort, I can see his or clean her house

1:17:55

at all. He was mad about that part, I think,

1:17:57

what Natalie's saying. Like he's more mad about the parent

1:17:59

thing within the nap and the text messages, like the

1:18:01

escalation of like, I'm gonna choose now to like blow

1:18:04

this up. Well, it feels like Alex doesn't put an

1:18:06

effort like in general, like you show up to her

1:18:08

house and it's just like you didn't. Not in the

1:18:10

way that she does. She can afford that house by

1:18:12

herself. You could have tidied this up a little bit.

1:18:14

But she can afford that by herself, let her like

1:18:17

live how she wants to live. Like that's what I

1:18:19

think. Yes, you can live how you wanna live, but

1:18:21

if you're gonna be bringing somebody home. Well, they're not

1:18:23

looking together yet. Well, I think that's just a different

1:18:25

of like. Lifestyle. Lifestyle, yeah. Like there are people out

1:18:27

there who resonate with Alex and being like, listen, like

1:18:30

my shit's messy. And she said she works hard. Like

1:18:32

she needs to take a nap because she's like, go,

1:18:34

go, go, like all day. Like that makes sense to

1:18:36

me. Like she's hustling. I think they're two

1:18:39

people incredibly set in their ways. And

1:18:41

their ways that they're set in could

1:18:43

not be more opposite of

1:18:45

each other. Yeah, I don't fault Alex for her

1:18:48

ways. I just think they could

1:18:50

not be less suited for each

1:18:52

other. And it is like, I think,

1:18:54

again, I don't like Tim's delivery. It seems a

1:18:56

bit harsh. Very harsh. Very harsh, you're good. He's

1:18:58

gonna have a retr And

1:19:19

I think sometimes, we saw Tim make

1:19:21

that really direct statement and kind of gives like,

1:19:23

ooh, I don't know if I like this side

1:19:25

of him, but like he seemed hurt and upset.

1:19:27

And he didn't show us any other qualities other

1:19:29

than hurt and upset. And

1:19:31

I think sometimes we will project when

1:19:35

men show emotion on TV, like

1:19:38

maybe a darker side, or like we

1:19:40

try to read into their anger

1:19:42

or their emotions. Because obviously we know that sometimes

1:19:44

men could be bad at it. And some there

1:19:46

are a lot of bad actors out there, but

1:19:48

I think he was upset. I think he was

1:19:50

really hurt by the effort he put in with

1:19:52

her family and the moment he had with her

1:19:55

dad. And she was like, I

1:19:57

spent four hours with her family as if she

1:19:59

was super incantation. Convenienced and then needed a nap and

1:20:01

was kind of like what's the big deal? Like

1:20:03

I don't know if there would be any of us

1:20:05

who wouldn't be Annoyed or

1:20:07

at least concerned if this

1:20:09

person really is my person It

1:20:12

really seemed what they connected on was family But

1:20:14

the one thing they have in common is how

1:20:16

important their families are to them and then and

1:20:18

then she was like your family's Not that important.

1:20:20

Yeah, we also missed a really big Like

1:20:23

argument with them. We do that a lot

1:20:25

with them General we're

1:20:28

just kind of like dropped in the

1:20:30

scenes and And

1:20:32

it's really this season specifically it catches me

1:20:34

off guard. I'm just like wait What what

1:20:36

did I miss well and remember last season

1:20:38

who was the teacher? They like

1:20:41

reenacted the breakup remember one of them. Oh,

1:20:43

yeah Well, I

1:20:45

think remember what number when you said that

1:20:47

when they were in Mexico You were like they hate

1:20:50

each other and I was like no it's just compatibility

1:20:52

because when something happens They both just pull away like

1:20:54

I don't think tens necessarily being harsh. He's just cold

1:20:56

Like when he doesn't agree with something he's gonna just say

1:20:59

I'm done. I'm leaving Yeah, I think he was just so

1:21:01

done and Alex is also gonna be like well I'm right

1:21:03

so then it's like well this isn't gonna Yeah, what they

1:21:05

do have in common is they both to be they both

1:21:07

seem to be very strong-headed people. Yeah Who

1:21:10

don't easily concede differences, but yeah,

1:21:12

they they were not meant to

1:21:15

be at all No,

1:21:18

well and then Hannah told Nick that she

1:21:20

thinks he's not on the

1:21:22

same level as her It was this was

1:21:24

a hard episode to watch of just the

1:21:26

constant like degrading of Nick It is it's

1:21:29

it's hard and like obviously we talked to

1:21:31

Hannah. She has a lot of regrets She

1:21:33

wish she would have approached it differently But

1:21:36

like it's just hard and

1:21:38

he takes it so well And I think it

1:21:40

well I can see her frustration with him like

1:21:42

and I think I said this before of like

1:21:44

it's one thing to want to like nurture Your

1:21:46

partner but to mother them is completely different and

1:21:48

like he doesn't he's looking in the fridge for

1:21:51

pasta He like doesn't know how to do simple

1:21:53

tasks. It's like yeah, that's frustrating and that's annoying

1:21:55

but to constantly constantly Constantly

1:21:58

pick at this man That's

1:22:00

a fine line between like helping your

1:22:02

partner be a better person and just

1:22:04

like nagging Yeah, and and nitpicking them

1:22:06

and breaking them down It's also I

1:22:08

just feel like and I think

1:22:10

he said this like with her brother maybe where it's like

1:22:13

She doesn't compliment him at all. She's just

1:22:16

like he's like through the

1:22:18

obstacle court Like that gave me the egg every

1:22:20

time you did this it gave me the egg

1:22:22

you did this and it's like annoying You can't

1:22:25

it's like her family was even like what

1:22:27

you got to stop. Yeah doing that. Yeah,

1:22:29

rough It's short of you. I

1:22:31

mean Natalie and I will joke and have

1:22:33

fun with X at times But like if

1:22:35

you're actually being serious about how much your

1:22:37

partner gives you the egg Like there's no

1:22:39

better way to make a man feel emasculated

1:22:41

and if you make him feel emasculated Chances

1:22:44

are he's gonna resent you pretty quickly

1:22:46

at thereafter. Yeah Well, then we have

1:22:48

on the Ramses Marissa side like Marissa

1:22:51

said she has a vitamin D deficiency

1:22:53

PMS and like that's the reason she doesn't want to

1:22:56

have sex all the time. Yeah Ramses interesting

1:22:58

context I know the people we've talked to

1:23:00

seem to stand by Ramses. He's not doing

1:23:02

interviews. We found out. Oh really? It's

1:23:07

like he's so progressive and so

1:23:09

like pro women and feminists until

1:23:11

it comes to women They

1:23:16

could never make me like Rams I will say

1:23:19

like I do think it's kind of a double

1:23:21

standard But his take on the military part of

1:23:23

it Like I think it's understandable that he doesn't

1:23:25

support like the imperialism as a person

1:23:27

of color as well Like he has that perspective And

1:23:30

I think like well Yeah There's nothing to do with

1:23:32

his opinions on the military and I think like for

1:23:34

that part of it Like they just should not have

1:23:36

been matched in the first place as he knew she

1:23:38

was in the military But then also like the standard

1:23:40

of the sex part is really interesting Yeah, when she's

1:23:42

like I'm like I have deficiencies like this is more

1:23:45

than just a condom and he's like But is this

1:23:47

gonna be like an all-the-time thing? Yeah,

1:23:49

it's like all the time. You've only known each other for

1:23:51

a couple Weeks and you're

1:23:53

immediately like it's like if we don't

1:23:55

have sex every day Well part of

1:23:57

me wonders that he's like grappling on

1:23:59

this part to like like nag this

1:24:01

because you just can't get past the

1:24:03

whole military part, which is, I guess

1:24:05

understandable, but just not the match. It's

1:24:07

just also like just not the way,

1:24:09

like pick something else to be upset

1:24:11

about. I think that's letting him off

1:24:13

the hook for his expectations of sex

1:24:15

in a relationship. I don't think

1:24:17

it's a projection. I think he also, in addition

1:24:20

to his feelings about Marissa serving

1:24:22

in the military, I think he also

1:24:25

has a certain level of expectations. And

1:24:27

listen, sex is important in a relationship,

1:24:30

but his delivery is very, like

1:24:32

Marissa shouldn't have to explain to

1:24:34

this adult man, basically like how

1:24:36

hormones or a period works for

1:24:39

women. You know what I'm saying? He acted

1:24:41

like this was the first time he's ever heard that

1:24:44

every once in a while, a woman

1:24:47

might have something going on

1:24:49

where it changes how she feels,

1:24:51

her mood, her

1:24:53

sex drive, and he's

1:24:56

acting as if this is news.

1:24:59

And she has to explain like this is gonna happen

1:25:01

once a month and like this. That's fucking crazy. Come

1:25:03

on, really? Well, that was the part two where later

1:25:05

on she said, we figured out our sex life once

1:25:07

a month. And I was like, wait, so

1:25:09

no condom once a month or was she saying it

1:25:12

was the period or was she saying? I don't know.

1:25:15

I struggle with him. What

1:25:17

Ram just does the thing, he's obviously an intelligent

1:25:19

guy, he's obviously good with his words. To me,

1:25:22

at the end of the day, he's just trying

1:25:24

to find clever ways that

1:25:26

sound better than the average guy being like, I

1:25:28

just wanna make sure I get laid. Yeah, it's

1:25:30

like at the end of the day, he just

1:25:32

wants to get what he wants. And what he

1:25:34

wants is sex constantly all the time. And for

1:25:36

her to just be like popping her

1:25:38

pussy left and right, up and down. And it's like,

1:25:41

sorry, it's just not how it works

1:25:43

that way. I mean, like my husband,

1:25:45

like the second I hit a rim

1:25:47

sleep, his dick's hard and I'm like,

1:25:50

whoa, I just fell into that. And

1:25:53

now, you know, and it's like, listen, it's

1:25:55

stuff we had to work through, you know?

1:25:57

I am gagged. Just like a who? What

1:26:00

are you talking about last night? It's so casual. Oh. She

1:26:04

popped off of that one. She was

1:26:06

like, really? It's like the second, it

1:26:09

takes me so fucking long to fall asleep. And

1:26:11

the second I'm in rim. Did

1:26:16

you just touch me? That'll come from here. Literally, it's like, and

1:26:18

now I'm awake. So thank you so much for that. I know

1:26:20

what I don't want to do. Touch your dick. Well

1:26:23

yeah, because you have to do the work. Because now I'm mad. Yeah,

1:26:26

now I'm mad. Oh

1:26:28

my gosh. So. You

1:26:31

guys need a moment? It was good. It

1:26:33

was good. Yeah. Was

1:26:35

there anything else that happened? No, I think I mean.

1:26:37

Ashley and Tyler. Oh yes.

1:26:39

So we do get more clarification. Okay, but

1:26:42

also him, her saying like, do they know

1:26:44

what, and it's just like bad and timing,

1:26:46

obviously, because the internet has been internetting and

1:26:48

like pulling all these photos of this poor

1:26:50

children. Which it doesn't necessarily add up to.

1:26:53

And he obviously doesn't know that the world is

1:26:55

gonna pull this out before he gets, but she's

1:26:57

like, do they know what you look like? And

1:26:59

he's like, I don't think so. And while we've

1:27:01

been seeing photos of him with these children, and

1:27:04

it's like, no, come on. But

1:27:06

I do think they handle this conversation

1:27:08

with such care. And like, you can

1:27:10

just see the love between the two

1:27:12

of them. And I really hope they're

1:27:14

able to work through this and fight

1:27:16

for it. It seems unclear. Like,

1:27:19

is there more of the story, and we're just

1:27:21

not being shown the story? Or is there more

1:27:23

of the story, and Tyler's

1:27:26

hiding the story? Where's the clarity? Like

1:27:29

either he's lying, or people are making it up on

1:27:31

the internet. Well, I guess he's in photos. Or like

1:27:33

we're just, unfortunately, this

1:27:37

is the season of like, we're not being

1:27:40

shown everything. Yeah, so we're just, we're missing

1:27:42

real conversation. They're trying to like redo the

1:27:44

conversation for the camera. And it's like, they're

1:27:47

just missing pieces that maybe he's already told

1:27:49

her that. He seems very reluctant to have

1:27:51

this conversation. I don't understand why. I think

1:27:53

it would be something he would be proud

1:27:56

of, of being

1:27:58

a surrogate. It seems like a wholesome. incident that

1:28:00

he was a s... But he clearly

1:28:02

seems uncomfortable. It does just get sticky

1:28:04

when children are involved. And you can

1:28:06

tell that, like, I don't know what

1:28:09

his involvement is with these children, but

1:28:11

clearly it's like an uncomfortable situation where

1:28:13

it's like, I understand him being like,

1:28:15

I don't know if this is something

1:28:17

I really want to bring to national

1:28:19

television. Yeah. And what do we

1:28:21

know about this situation online?

1:28:24

Well, in the show he says that, like,

1:28:27

it was a close friend and her wife, they wanted

1:28:29

to have kids, so he was the sperm donor. Online

1:28:32

we have- And it was a lesbian couple.

1:28:34

A lesbian couple, yeah. So already on

1:28:36

that, like, a donor's role in that dynamic- Should

1:28:39

be removed, right? Yeah, but the fact that he

1:28:41

is involved- The toughness he's friends

1:28:43

with her. Is not, is not- It's not crazy. Well,

1:28:46

it's not normal. I don't think it's that crazy. Not

1:28:48

that it's crazy, what I'm saying is,

1:28:50

like, there's no, like, it's a unique

1:28:52

situation for anyone. So,

1:28:55

like, I can understand why he

1:28:57

has a hard time articulating this

1:28:59

unique situation. To me the problem

1:29:01

is, like, he had off

1:29:03

camera time before this to tell her.

1:29:06

I understand him not wanting to bring this

1:29:09

on television, right? Oh.

1:29:12

But then- He- He had time. Oh,

1:29:14

and he fucked up. No,

1:29:16

he owed Ashley this conversation in

1:29:18

the pod before they

1:29:20

got engaged. He was completely wrong there. I

1:29:23

mean, I don't know, and maybe

1:29:25

she will learn to accept it and forgive him, but like, yeah,

1:29:27

I mean, the

1:29:31

omission of this story before they

1:29:33

got engaged was someone who, like, they have a lot

1:29:35

of conversations about kids was a, is a huge fuck

1:29:37

up on his part. And

1:29:40

Ashley has the right to feel a certain way about it.

1:29:42

You know, we just don't know yet how she fully is

1:29:45

gonna feel about it. Well, and then online to answer the

1:29:47

rest of your question, like, we have someone who has pictures

1:29:50

of him with kids saying

1:29:52

that they were supporting him through the pod but he

1:29:54

was with them kind of being a father to him.

1:30:00

and then he kind of disappeared once the process

1:30:02

started. So it was like, there's a

1:30:04

lot of confusion around this whole situation. Maybe

1:30:08

we'll learn more. Yeah, I mean, hopefully. That

1:30:10

part wraps it up. We'll get into episode

1:30:12

11 on Tuesday. And

1:30:15

then finale on Wednesday next week. Exciting. So

1:30:17

we'll talk episode 11 on Tuesday. We'll

1:30:20

talk the finale. And then we have a reunion

1:30:22

coming up at some point. Those are the best. Excited

1:30:24

for that. All right,

1:30:26

Roni. Was Uba a mouthpiece? A

1:30:29

mouthpiece for Psy or was Brynn the

1:30:32

villain? That's my question. I

1:30:34

might be off base here, but I

1:30:36

kind of feel like the whole mouthpiece

1:30:38

for Psy's situation is kind of an

1:30:40

annoying take because I'm like, I think

1:30:42

Uba's confronting the issue about how everybody's

1:30:44

misconstruing what people are saying and twisting

1:30:46

their words. And she's just using Psy

1:30:48

as the example because it's happened three

1:30:50

times on this trip already. But

1:30:53

like, everyone's making it out. Like Uba's overreacting

1:30:55

or whatever. And I'm like, no, she's just

1:30:57

saying, stop twisting people's words. Nobody can be

1:30:59

honest about how they feel. She is speaking

1:31:01

for Psy though. So like when

1:31:03

it came to later, she was like, well, Psy talked to

1:31:05

me after you guys made up and said that she's still

1:31:08

mad at you. I did appreciate Brynn's response

1:31:10

of like fight with me with something

1:31:12

smarter. Like when people are just like,

1:31:15

you know, F you and F this and you're

1:31:17

a bitch and you're that and you're that. And

1:31:19

she's like, no, like give me an actual insult.

1:31:21

Like say something smarter to me. And then Uba

1:31:23

being like, shut the F up. Hid you. Definitely

1:31:26

like shut the F up is a strong. It

1:31:28

is strong. I thought about that too. Cause I

1:31:30

kind of saw both sides. Like I get what

1:31:33

Brynn was saying, but then it was like, is

1:31:35

she talking about being clever or is she talking

1:31:37

about being more kind of passive aggressive and you

1:31:39

know, almost. She's talking about being clever, I think.

1:31:41

Well, that's kind of aggressive. Passive aggressive. But that's

1:31:44

kind of the same thing. It can be the

1:31:46

same thing. I'm a direct person. I appreciated her

1:31:48

reckness. I don't cut through the fat and maybe

1:31:50

her language, you know, could

1:31:52

be off putting to some, but like I

1:31:55

don't need a coded message as to why

1:31:57

I'm mad at you or someone's mad at

1:31:59

me. Just. just cut through the fat and

1:32:02

be direct. So you disagree with Brynn there.

1:32:04

I'm thinking more- Versus nice shoes. I'm

1:32:06

team Ooba here. Cause Ooba's not trying to

1:32:08

be dramatic. She's just like, this is how

1:32:11

I feel and this is what I'm gonna,

1:32:13

I want you to shut up, so I'm gonna

1:32:15

tell you to shut up. And we have seen

1:32:18

Brynn twist words. Even in this episode, Brynn admits

1:32:20

to sometimes, what was like- I

1:32:22

like to stir the pot. What did Erin say?

1:32:24

Were you twisted or were you the twister? And

1:32:26

she's like sometimes both. Both, yeah. She

1:32:29

enjoys the drama. She plays into the

1:32:31

drama. She starts the drama. She keeps

1:32:34

the drama going. And Ooba

1:32:36

doesn't. She's just more like, I don't know.

1:32:38

I don't have time for this bullshit. Give

1:32:40

me the facts. I love how she calls them pigeons.

1:32:43

Pigeons with no address. You just know Ooba's

1:32:45

right. Yeah, I think Ooba's right. I am

1:32:48

team Ooba in this situation. And Brynn's more

1:32:50

like, maybe you're right. I

1:32:52

will say, you know the conversation is done when you get to

1:32:54

the point where it's like, like people are

1:32:56

just making noises. And I'm like, okay, we're at the conversation.

1:32:58

I really hate about that. Talk about it. And he did

1:33:00

it too. I was like, someone just say stop. Sorry, I'm

1:33:02

sorry. Talk about coming up with something clever. You're

1:33:05

literally just making sounds so that she'll stop talking.

1:33:07

And they were both doing it back. I was

1:33:09

like, oh my God. You know you laughed when

1:33:11

you started doing that. Exactly, you have nothing to

1:33:14

say but make sounds. And mock them. Yeah,

1:33:16

she's sitting here being like, Ooba should come up with something

1:33:18

clever. And then she's literally just

1:33:20

yelling. Then you have sigh out of

1:33:22

nowhere. Pineapple. Nothing new. Okay, I'll be

1:33:24

done. I'm done. Safe word. Well,

1:33:27

it worked. And Sy was not my favorite

1:33:29

last season because she was so reactive over

1:33:31

nothing. But I will say that I do

1:33:33

feel like Sy is working on herself and

1:33:36

is like reacting to things where she needs

1:33:38

to defend herself and is dropping things. But

1:33:40

she's still allowed to have feelings about it.

1:33:43

And I would say like, I would be annoyed too if I

1:33:45

just like walked into a house and it's like somebody's telling me

1:33:47

that I told them that they can't ride with me. Now somebody's

1:33:49

telling me that I said this. And I'm just like, where's

1:33:53

the proof? And she's pulling out the text messages being

1:33:55

like, where did I say that? And

1:33:57

she was also forced to hug Brad in which I was like,

1:33:59

that's a little uncomfy. What are we, 10 years old? And

1:34:02

she clearly isn't over it, she's still mad. Exactly, because

1:34:04

she doesn't feel like her feelings were being heard. Do

1:34:06

you feel like the rest of the women hate Rebecca?

1:34:09

Because I feel like they- No, I think Rebecca's just

1:34:11

the goofy one. You think? I think she's- I think

1:34:13

they're laughing at her, not with her. They are, well,

1:34:15

okay, what did she, like this episode it was the

1:34:17

whole virginity thing, still has the bed. Do you think

1:34:20

it's a- And then the diva club squeeze it out.

1:34:22

Oh my god. But do you think her parenting, her

1:34:25

parents' parenting style is progressive

1:34:27

or crazy? Progressive, is a right or

1:34:29

wrong? I think that's subjective,

1:34:31

but progressive, right? Well, you know, I guess, but certainly progressive,

1:34:33

I guess maybe. But progressive or crazy?

1:34:35

I mean, it worked for Rebecca. And like, at

1:34:37

the end of the day, that's all that really

1:34:39

matters. She's not saying do this with your kids,

1:34:41

or do that with- But I'm saying, what would,

1:34:44

like, what do you- I'm not a parent, so

1:34:46

I guess I'm not the right perspective. The idea

1:34:48

of negotiating with your kid at 16 seems- Why

1:34:51

are we negotiating? Yeah, but- But I think they're gonna do what

1:34:53

they wanna do regardless. So I think for you to be like,

1:34:55

hey, like, let me give you- That's a good point. Let's like

1:34:57

work, you know, let me give you an option. Because

1:35:00

you know, they're gonna do it. They're gonna do it. They're

1:35:02

gonna go behind your back, and they're gonna lie about it,

1:35:04

or they're gonna be upfront and honest, and you give them

1:35:06

another thing to work towards, and like, okay. Yeah, but I,

1:35:08

you know, we should probably

1:35:10

have this conversation private, but with River,

1:35:13

I just feel like you're

1:35:15

right about all those things. And I

1:35:17

don't know, I hope as parents, we, you

1:35:19

know, teach her all the morals

1:35:21

and values that we want her to have, but

1:35:23

you're right. She's gonna get to a certain age,

1:35:25

and she's gonna start making decisions for herself, and

1:35:28

that might happen before she's legally an adult.

1:35:30

And she, we might not be able to

1:35:32

a certain degree to like, you know, we're

1:35:35

gonna wanna give our daughter independence and what

1:35:37

she does with that independence, who knows, right?

1:35:39

But I would still rather sit River down

1:35:42

and have the type of relationship with her, where

1:35:44

we just say, like, listen, we

1:35:46

can't, this is what we hope you do. We

1:35:49

don't know what you're gonna do. We acknowledge

1:35:51

as parents that it's up to

1:35:53

you. I wanna, I want us to say to River,

1:35:55

you're gonna make your choice. And

1:35:57

we're not gonna know as parents, but if you

1:35:59

do make this choice, here are the consequences, here's

1:36:01

what might happen. And while we

1:36:03

might be disappointed, be honest with us. Because

1:36:06

if we need to get you protection or

1:36:08

make sure you're doing things safely, I'd

1:36:10

rather have our daughter feel safe enough to

1:36:12

come with that information, rather

1:36:14

than feel like, all right, well, we can't control

1:36:17

you, so if you promise not to do drugs,

1:36:19

we'll get you on birth control. It's like, to

1:36:21

that point, you can't

1:36:23

guarantee she's not doing drugs, and just the idea,

1:36:25

I don't wanna set the standard with our kids

1:36:28

that we're gonna negotiate with them. You know what

1:36:30

I'm saying? I know we can't control that they

1:36:32

listen to us, but I would rather try to

1:36:34

have an open and honest communication with our kids,

1:36:36

rather than feel like we are. When

1:36:39

you negotiate with someone, you're suggesting

1:36:41

that there's an equal power dynamic. Entitled,

1:36:44

man. Until Rivers' 18 or

1:36:46

any of our kids are 18, we're still the

1:36:48

parents, you know? I'm sure Rebecca's parents said the

1:36:50

conversation the way that you guys are wording it,

1:36:52

but then Rebecca was just like, well, it was actually

1:36:54

a turn off. Maybe, maybe, or maybe

1:36:56

not, or maybe she... Maybe

1:36:58

it was exactly how it was. But also,

1:37:00

a diva cup doesn't just squeeze out when

1:37:02

you sneeze, right? What's a diva cup? I've

1:37:05

never used one. Alternative to a tampon. Well,