10:00

I just shut it down. Still who

10:02

you are. And so I guess, you

10:04

know, from your side, dealing

10:06

with somebody like me, how

10:08

difficult does that make it when you got

10:11

somebody who is as hard-headed

10:14

and strong-willed as I am to be

10:16

like, yo, you doing this wrong or

10:18

slow down or be quiet and let

10:20

me talk. And it's crazy because it's,

10:23

I'm gonna say, doggone there impossible. Just

10:26

because, and again, from my

10:28

perspective, your

10:30

track record is so good. You know what

10:32

I'm saying? Like, dude, when CJ said do

10:34

that, it worked. When he said do that,

10:36

it worked. So when I give my idea,

10:38

like, I'm almost, either number one, expect you

10:40

to call, sign my idea for it to,

10:42

we know it's gonna work, or

10:45

I'm looking for your suggestion. Right, right. Like,

10:47

that's my default. You see what I'm saying?

10:49

So it's almost impossible when you come with

10:51

the way, like, again, it's a strength that

10:53

you come with, right? Just being real. I

10:56

come with not, I'm not playing it down,

10:58

right? Y'all please don't take it the wrong

11:00

way. I'm not playing it down, but it's

11:02

like, no, CJ is coming with a strength

11:05

and an authority that I don't

11:07

have. I respect that and I'm gonna

11:09

defer to it nine times out of 10. So

11:13

I'm thinking about it. Let's just go super

11:15

obvious. You got a passport, that's not gonna

11:18

work. The next obvious thing is, well, maybe

11:20

get a second one. You see what I'm

11:22

saying? It's just the next obvious thing. But,

11:25

and man, what was, I'm slowing down.

11:27

Let me slow down because I'm saying,

11:30

I wonder how many ideas each of

11:32

us had. That could've

11:34

been. Well, no, I'm saying, I get all my

11:36

ideas. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying,

11:38

we're gonna try on too. Like, how many ideas

11:40

do you have? Okay, you talking to them? I

11:42

was gonna say, all my ideas that I got,

11:45

they get executed. How many ideas do you have

11:47

that you just didn't follow through on because like,

11:49

you know what, I don't know if that makes

11:51

sense and all that. That's something that we really

11:53

gotta think about truthfully, like immediately you

11:55

would say that my mind went to Jason Bourne.

11:57

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12:00

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12:02

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12:04

is illegal to travel with both like elite it's

12:06

elite like you can only have one if they

12:08

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12:10

oh wow but you can get a second one

12:12

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12:14

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12:16

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12:19

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12:21

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of the time me and my wife are

15:02

on the one accord. So

15:05

with China, right? We

15:08

go into China. First of all, this is a

15:10

communist country. They got different rules. So

15:12

my man was like at the passport office was

15:14

like, are you going for work

15:17

or leisure? And

15:20

I was like, in my head,

15:22

I made a split decision. First

15:24

of all, I'm not working per se.

15:26

Toby, you got to work. I'm there.

15:30

I'm about to go to the Great Wall of China. I don't know

15:32

what I'm gonna do, but you know, y'all

15:34

know Toby and Ebo, you know that I'm a safety

15:36

blanket for both of them. So if I'm not there,

15:38

they cry. So I'm going, you know what I'm saying?

15:40

I got to be there for them anyway. That's neither

15:42

here nor there. But my man says,

15:45

and I say leisure at the same

15:47

time, Kenneth says work. And

15:50

I looked at her and I was like, no, I'm not working. She

15:52

was like, yes, you are. And

15:54

I was like, no, I'm not. I'm

15:56

like, because in my mind, I'm like, okay, are they

15:59

gonna say you need? to work visa. Yeah.

16:02

Like you like this ain't the right type of I don't know what

16:04

they're gonna say. So I'm like, but technically I'm

16:06

not working. But she like in

16:08

her head, I think she thinks it's better to say

16:10

you're going to work. And

16:13

so I gave her the look and was like, no,

16:15

no, no. I'm

16:17

going for. And so we kind

16:19

of beefed out at the passport office. And finally afterwards

16:21

I told her she was like, Oh, I'm sorry, but

16:24

I didn't get what you were saying. Whatever. But anyway,

16:26

my man's like, so you go and I'm like, I

16:28

said, my stepdad, I'm like, I'm like, stupid. But

16:31

he like, what do you do for a living? I was

16:33

like, how do you

16:35

answer that? A

16:38

podcast, you know, Eric Thomas,

16:41

he was like, well, what's going on in China?

16:44

And I was like, Toby.

16:47

And then, you know, he's a rapper

16:49

and it was just all bad.

16:51

But you know, I sat down the

16:53

fate of our Chinese trip.

16:56

Future was in the hands of some random

16:58

little white man in the passport office. And

17:00

then he was like, Hey, go sit. You know, they kind

17:03

of like they kind

17:05

of act a little because I think they

17:07

want to try to see what was ever so he's

17:09

going to add a little bit. And then finally he

17:11

was like, uh, Quinnies, he called us back up there.

17:13

He was like, y'all good to go. Boom, boom, boom.

17:15

He was real cool. And we got our past, our

17:18

second passport. So we had

17:20

the mail, the first ones in

17:22

and then travel to Europe with

17:24

our second, our brand

17:26

new ones. So I was like, Oh, is that going

17:28

to raise some red flags? My kids got past poor

17:30

stamps out the world. And then me and my wife

17:33

randomly got the exact same renewal. But

17:35

that's neither here nor there because at the end

17:37

of the day, I guess we could have renewed

17:39

at the same time. But in my mind, Carl,

17:42

I just couldn't even fathom that being a good idea.

17:44

And like I said, shout out to Jeff for not

17:46

killing me because I would have imagined

17:48

like mall doing that. And then me calling

17:50

mall and being like, you

17:52

dumb summer. And

17:56

so anyway, I guess for you, you saying how

17:58

many times do you have ideas? that

18:00

you don't get offered or things that you want

18:02

to say, how have

18:04

you learned to navigate that process? So

18:07

I think, is that the hip-hop preacher?

18:09

Oh, we got to visit. Life and direct. Come

18:11

on in, sir. So

18:14

the beauty of it, C, is number one,

18:18

the thing to realize is that we all

18:20

have blind spots. That's the thing

18:22

to realize. So when I think about it,

18:25

I'll go back to, let me get this story and then

18:27

I'll come back to what you asked. Yes.

18:30

When I first got that Nikon camera, you remember

18:32

it in a couple of seconds, I got this

18:34

Nikon camera, E, and I had to do something

18:36

downtown Detroit. And I took this photo

18:39

of E, I'm talking about right outside the stadium, you

18:41

remember it? You remember it?

18:43

Oh, yeah, yeah, I do. So that's some blind

18:45

spots. So when I tell y'all, I took this

18:47

photo of E, I just got this Nikon, like

18:49

again, we've been borrowing cameras. Oh, this was portrait

18:51

mode before portrait mode. Before portrait mode. But I

18:53

tell y'all, the best photo I ever took in

18:56

my life to this day. Yeah. I'm just like,

18:58

yo, see, I said, see the photo on C's

19:00

like, yo, it's a fire photo, but we can't

19:02

use it. And I'm like,

19:04

you must have just lost

19:06

your mind. See, hey, when I

19:09

tell you, and listen to y'all, when

19:11

I tell y'all everything in this for the lighting

19:13

is everything perfect. E standing there, I think he

19:15

was pointing, he had like a football in his

19:17

hand. Football, yeah. And it was

19:19

just when I tell y'all perfect and

19:22

C's like, yo, go look at the photo again. And

19:24

I'm like, what are you talking about? Like the

19:27

lighting is incredible. Like look

19:29

at the framing, everything. He's like, Carl, look

19:31

at the photo again. I'm like, see, I

19:33

don't know what you're talking about, but I

19:35

can't see. Crazy. Bruh, big

19:38

and bold, y'all spoiler alert, big and bold

19:40

behind E is like a bud light. I'm

19:42

talking about like the huge bud light poster

19:44

you ever seen in your life.

19:47

I did not see it. I

19:49

was so focused on this image, making sure

19:51

it looked crisp. So going back to you,

19:53

I'm just saying, number one, let's be aware

19:55

that we all have blind spots. Major blind.

19:58

I'm saying like, I cannot see. It's

20:00

right there. It's not even like it was small

20:02

in the corner. I was here right next to

20:04

ease head Yeah, right. So but see I but

20:07

I also think that it's easier going this way

20:09

to that way because I don't have a problem

20:11

Saying anything to you facts so I can just

20:13

be like Carl what you're doing like it don't

20:15

bother me You know what I'm saying? But if

20:17

I would have came with that kind of fire

20:19

and enthusiasm you might have been like a C.

20:21

All right You'd

20:24

have been like Are we

20:26

cool with the but like you wouldn't even have said

20:28

it like take it out and eat just for those

20:31

of y'all just Listening and not watching he has joined

20:33

us. So yeah, I give you the two-second verse I'm

20:35

sure you know what up you knew most of this

20:37

honestly you're alive You knew most

20:39

of it honestly from last time, but

20:41

you remember how I had to go get that emergency

20:43

pass. Yeah Yeah, I don't know if I told you

20:45

but Jeff was the one who told me like two

20:47

weeks ago We could before that you

20:50

like you might be able to go get a second passport And

20:52

when I tell you I don't buy custody

20:55

my right I said, bro, what kind of

20:57

stupid foolishness is that right? Oh, I murdered

20:59

him. I'm talking about Jeff Bro,

21:02

you think they gonna let a bra run

21:04

around the country Internationally

21:06

with two American passport, bro, you can't even get

21:08

it's harder. It's a car a hundred years to

21:11

get one Yeah, bro. You think they finna let

21:13

me get to a bra shut him down, bro

21:15

He called me back that the day before I

21:17

end up having a fly candidate He called me

21:19

back with the dude on the line was like,

21:21

yeah, so what you got to do is get

21:23

a second passport Here's everything you knew I said.

21:25

Oh my birth It was the pilot gone wild

21:27

and I was talking about, you know, obviously, you

21:30

know, we talked about Kobe and you know We

21:32

you know, we've talked about that before but I

21:34

was telling Carl like yo I felt myself doing

21:36

that old CJ again where I felt stupid cuz

21:38

I'm like, yo, I gotta fly my girl up

21:40

here She had to leave the kids. We had

21:42

to pay a babysitter. We got to do all

21:44

of this extra moving and shaking It was stressful

21:46

than I might get no rest. She was tired

21:49

We had to pack for you know upcoming trips

21:51

and stuff like that. And I'm like wow like

21:53

again with the communication boy

21:56

me not being Available for

21:58

feedback in that situation And

22:00

I'm like, yo, I gotta quit doing that. And I

22:03

feel like, I feel like

22:06

for a long time, my reputation, it's like to do

22:08

who used to knock people out on the block, but

22:10

then he got saved. You know what

22:12

I'm saying? He like a Christian, he go to

22:14

church. And then it's like, people still be like,

22:17

hey, here he come and you're like, oh,

22:19

oh, oh, I'm not like that no more.

22:21

But then I just knock somebody back out.

22:23

And I'm like, oh, I felt that thing.

22:25

Like, bro, you gonna have to repent and

22:27

go back because something in you still is

22:29

not feeling when people tell you something that

22:31

you don't wanna hear. You know what I'm

22:33

saying? So I was just asking Carl about,

22:35

you know, our relationship over the years, how

22:37

for real, bro, I was a terror back

22:39

in the day. I really didn't wanna hear

22:41

nothing. And now I would say, I

22:44

still don't clearly because I

22:46

gotta go back and deal with that. But

22:48

like my pilot, sometimes

22:51

it has blind spots that I still, that I thought

22:53

I got rid of, that's still there. And

22:55

there's a reason why, you know. And

22:57

again, I do want you guys to understand,

23:00

I don't talk about this a lot,

23:03

but I do want you to understand you

23:05

cannot make money if you're

23:07

not gonna be a pilot. So

23:09

just like if you have

23:12

a problem with being a pilot,

23:14

you have a problem economically. Okay, so just

23:16

know that, okay? Just know that, yo, I

23:18

don't wanna work on my pilot. Meaning I

23:20

don't wanna be aggressive. I don't wanna be

23:23

driven. I don't wanna be demanding. So

23:25

you got two things, either like, okay,

23:27

I'm cool with that and I'm gonna

23:30

be broke, right? Or

23:33

I'm going to be a pilot and

23:35

piss people off, but I'm going to be

23:37

straight. You know what I'm saying? As for

23:39

me and my house, we gonna be good.

23:41

You know what I'm saying? And you really

23:44

have to resolve that. And I say that

23:46

because I think

23:48

for my wife, her pilot

23:51

and flight, I don't

23:54

know what wish, and her air traffic

23:56

control, they collide

23:58

sometimes. And so, a air

24:03

traffic control is a major thinker. Like

24:05

they think through everything. So

24:08

it will make Dee Dee think through her

24:11

pilot. Cause it's like, okay,

24:13

we winning, but people are not

24:15

feeling good. You know what I'm saying? And so it

24:17

was funny cause she said to me the other day,

24:19

like with the church, you know her frustration with the

24:21

church. And so I was like, oh, okay,

24:23

yeah, no, no, no, no. She's like,

24:25

yeah, I feel like me and Candace is whatever. And

24:27

I was like, oh no, I'm clear. I could bring CJ on.

24:29

Like I'm 100% clear. I said, but

24:31

the problem is if CJ come, 90% of the people

24:34

are gonna get fired and they gonna be gone, period.

24:36

You know what I'm saying? Like, it- 94%

24:38

to be exact. Right, 94 people gonna be gone. Oh, bro.

24:41

I'm just keeping it 1000. Yeah. Because

24:44

they can't operate at that level. You

24:46

know, so Dee Dee, be

24:48

clear. I'm doing this

24:50

because of this. You feel

24:52

what I'm saying? Can I say, don't be

24:55

a trained thought. Yeah, I won't. This my,

24:57

listen, what he said is true. It

24:59

was absolutely true. My problem is not that you

25:01

can't operate at that level. It's the problem that

25:03

you can't operate that level and you have an

25:05

opinion. Right. Okay, sorry. I just wanted

25:07

to put that amendment in there because a lot of

25:09

people you can't operate at that level, but you lo,

25:11

listen, man, Josh said it. You

25:13

either can make money or take away stress.

25:16

The only two things you can get paid

25:18

for. So you not making no money and

25:20

you adding stress. So now you

25:22

done broke the two golden rules. I'm

25:25

just saying of any business or anything that we're

25:27

running, if you can't take away stress, listen, I

25:29

will pay you to take away stress. I have

25:31

an assistant whose job it is to take away

25:33

stress. I have an assistant, her job is to

25:36

say, you know, you got a zoom call in

25:38

an hour. Okay, cool. Then she calls in 30

25:40

minutes and go, your zoom is in 30 minutes.

25:42

Then she calls me two minutes before the zoom.

25:45

Here go to link for the zoom. Are you on

25:47

the, and then let me say something. Kamlin got so

25:49

sweet with it. She gets on the zoom to

25:52

make sure I show up and they'd be like, oh, do

25:54

we have somebody else on the zoom? She'd

25:56

be like, nope, just say hi, bye. And

25:58

she get off the zoom. No question. So now

26:01

my stress is being taken away. She not

26:03

making me no money per se, but

26:06

by her taking stress off me, I'm able to

26:08

generate more. So that, I just wanted to be

26:10

fair because people gonna be like, wow, CJ just

26:12

firing people. No, either you taking away stress or

26:14

you adding revenue. And let me tell you something.

26:17

Let's look at it in football terms or something like

26:19

that. You got a player who, you know, he

26:21

partying, he out all night, you may

26:24

be getting a little bit of trouble, but he putting

26:26

up three full touchdowns. Easy. I'm just saying. He on

26:28

the team. He

26:30

on the squad. Leave my man alone. He not getting in

26:32

trouble. He gonna be on the team. You

26:35

see what I'm saying? Cause I'm gonna lose my job

26:37

anywhere if he go. Okay. Guess who

26:39

else? So he got to stay. The other person

26:41

staying on the team is the camaraderie

26:44

guy who making everybody fit. Like,

26:46

dang, like he got, the

26:48

second string quarterback. He

26:51

got the starter back. He got, he making

26:53

sure everybody. He helping with

26:55

the playbook. He got the, he taking

26:57

away stress from the starter. He coming back and

26:59

starter like, how to make money y'all. So

27:01

you can understand where we going or how to be in

27:04

bliss. One of the two. So I'm

27:06

just saying, I don't, go back to what you were

27:08

saying, but I want people to know why you get

27:10

fired around me. No question. It don't have nothing to

27:12

do with me being evil. I don't like people. Okay.

27:14

So I shouldn't say, okay. So look, I shouldn't say this.

27:17

I got here late. So I

27:19

shouldn't say this. I should have said it

27:21

to CJ first. So see, can say it

27:23

to y'all, right? Cause I don't like saying

27:25

stuff and being a co-signer

27:27

for stuff that could be evil. Right?

27:31

I don't like being a co-signer for evil. You feel

27:33

me? But I don't have a choice. I got to,

27:35

it just happened. So I got to tell y'all, come

27:37

on, bruh, bruh. Again,

27:41

co-sign do not do as I

27:43

do. Do not do what

27:45

I do. Just take the lesson. Bruh, we

27:47

in Italy. And so we got a little

27:49

extra time. Cause it's like, you know what

27:51

I'm saying? When you're in a different country on a

27:53

different time zone, you don't go to

27:55

sleep like that normal. You don't go to sleep,

27:57

especially we don't. We don't got kids. So it's

27:59

just, I

52:00

was gonna say real quick so I don't forget the thought. I

52:02

told them, here's where y'all

52:04

confused. I only care about one thing.

52:08

That's whoever gave us this check, they need to say

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at the end of this thing when it's all over.

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We gave them exactly what they asked for and we

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gave them more than we asked for because for me,

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it's a waste of time to do something and

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you don't see time because you're not looking at me being away

52:22

from my wife because I don't mean nothing to you. And

52:26

again, not in a negative way, but you thinking about

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you. I

52:31

gotta think about you and I gotta think about me. And that's

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what I was trying to say. Now I gotta do two jobs.

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I gotta think about you and I gotta think about me and

52:37

you not thinking about me. And that's what I kept telling you,

52:39

Carl, you was stressing me out with because I was like, I

52:42

feel like you want something for me outside of

52:44

what we already doing. And that's

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why I never, again, I learned

52:49

early on, take away stress, generate revenue. So what

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did I do for E? Make sure I was

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generating revenue, making sure he ain't never, I promise

52:56

you, any stress that I caused E was self-inflicted

52:59

by him. I think he said that a bunch,

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but I have never in my life one time

53:03

been like, yo, I did, I ain't never called

53:05

him and said, yo, me and Candace had an

53:07

argument. Not one time in my life. I

53:10

just refused to bring him any stress to

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this day. Almost 20 years, I've never been

53:14

like, done anything intentionally or unintentionally that would

53:16

be like, oh man, see, like he shouldn't

53:18

have did that. Or you know what I'm

53:20

saying? Like I pride myself on that. So

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I used to be looking at you like,

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Carl, like, okay, cool. And that's when we

53:26

used to have our go-throughs. It was like,

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you're expecting something from me that I can't

53:30

give you. I can't, bruh, other than

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saying like, all right, cool. We got it done. We

53:35

got the stuff out. Like I can't come behind you

53:37

after that and be like, oh, that was great. I

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can't call you every single day and be like, yo,

53:41

congratulations, like that, I probably could, but then I

53:44

would take my eye off of what I was

53:46

supposed to be doing. I'm saying what's funny is

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y'all, let me just say this loud and clear,

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y'all, everybody in the back, please listen. When

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you do say it was good, bruh, it

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lasts about 10 seconds. Right. Yeah,

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right. Yeah, cause it ain't nothing. It ain't nothing. As

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a rookie. As a rookie who got drafted

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in the... At the... What's

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the benefit? A hundred and a half. In the hit,

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the 199 or something, it

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probably got 203 opportunities. You

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got 199. But guess what I do

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know? I do know he did exactly what

1:02:15

he said. And let me tell you all why that's important.

1:02:18

Because when you make excuses, you

1:02:20

either get fired or you plateaued.

1:02:23

Period. When you tell somebody why you couldn't

1:02:25

do what they, you're now telling them you're

1:02:27

not dependable. I can't count on you. And

1:02:29

that's the thing, y'all, is we doing business,

1:02:32

right? We doing business. So this is what I

1:02:34

say. Like, it's

1:02:36

sad, bro. But I ask people

1:02:38

all the time, what's your open market value? Yes.

1:02:41

No, I'm just being real. Like, don't ask

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me as a small business owner. And regardless

1:02:46

of what y'all think of us, we are

1:02:48

a small, let's say, mom and pop operation.

1:02:50

We're not talking about how much E get

1:02:52

paid to speak. We're talking about the business

1:02:54

side of what we do. Obviously, E does

1:02:56

very well speaking. We're talking about the actual

1:02:58

business that we run, a personal development company,

1:03:01

Eric Thomas and Associates. We talking about that.

1:03:03

I ask people all the time, if you're going to

1:03:05

work for a small business, at least

1:03:08

like give me what your market rate is. Now

1:03:11

you asking me for 75,000, 100,000. I'll

1:03:14

pay you even more than that if you work

1:03:16

more than that on the open market. But if

1:03:18

you can only come here and you're demanding something

1:03:20

out of me that you know you can't even

1:03:22

get in the free market, that's not fair. Because

1:03:24

I, listen, this is all we've ever asked. At

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least cover your check. That's it. I don't even,

1:03:28

E said- Whatever that means. When the

1:03:31

last time we took a payout from ETA? Bruh,

1:03:34

I ain't took a raise- I'm just saying. From the day

1:03:36

we started. So my point- You know how much money I

1:03:38

make speaking? I don't see half of

1:03:40

that money. So Carl, my point is, okay,

1:03:42

cool. Just produce your check. Because

1:03:45

I love for people to have opportunities. Like

1:03:48

you said, insurance, being able to feed their

1:03:50

family at a high level, vacations, trips,

1:03:52

I want you to do all of that. But

1:03:54

don't make me pay more than the open

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market value. And if you find yourself wanting

1:03:59

to make more-