0:00

I will do everything in my power

0:02

so that my daughter and my son will

0:05

never see me. Loaded.

0:06

You called this in existence. You made

0:08

this, You learned manifestation. One of the things I love

0:10

about you is you're insanely curious and

0:13

you learn the art of saying I don't know and I need

0:15

help.

0:15

You would not believe me if I told

0:17

you where I was to where I am today. I

0:19

was gonna tell you a story that I think it's hysterical.

0:21

I think you should tell me that. Yeah, you got that gird.

0:23

You've never told this story, and this is really funny.

0:31

Welcome back to the Sino Show.

0:33

I'm your host, Ciena McFarlane, my

0:35

brother from another Alexander

0:38

Ludwig's. He's a wrestler. He's

0:40

a fucking Viking. Yeah, he's in

0:42

Bad Boys. He was a little independent

0:44

film called The Hunger Games. And

0:47

he can sing his fucking ass off. We're gonna talk about

0:50

the album. And he's got a jewelry line with his

0:52

wife, and holy,

0:54

if I didn't work on myself so much, I might actually be

0:56

jealous of you.

0:57

And you're only thirty two and you're a sober

0:59

brother.

1:00

So nice to be back here.

1:01

Should we just start there. What's it like to be back?

1:04

It's a little backstory on who, how we met each

1:06

other, all that good stuff. It's surreal.

1:07

I mean it's like it's you know, this

1:10

place in specific is it holds a really

1:12

special part in place in my heart. I

1:14

mean this was the first kind of refuge

1:17

I found after getting out of rehab

1:21

six years ago. So coming back is, you

1:23

know, it's very bittersweet, like I

1:26

you know, even just driving around Los Angeles,

1:28

I mean, I have so many amazing memories here

1:30

and also so many, you know, memories

1:33

that I would rather forget, but no, I

1:36

can never forget, you know. So it's it's a really

1:38

I love coming back to LA and like I have such an amazing

1:40

group of friends here and amazing people. But it's

1:43

just, yeah,

1:45

all the all the emotions come back up, you know.

1:47

I bet, yeah, I bet.

1:49

You know.

1:49

People always ask me, so, you know, how do you do

1:52

what you do with all the tragedies, the death

1:54

and all that. It's because I

1:56

get so many wins and almost

1:58

like this and I remember where we started.

2:01

Yeah, and I celebrate you who you are.

2:03

You're a father now.

2:05

Two yeah, two, And

2:07

it's powerful. Man, it's

2:10

really.

2:10

It's real, dude. Like I say this to people, I'm like, you

2:13

would not believe like

2:15

when they tell you that, like you know, secrets

2:17

keep you sick and that the program works

2:20

right, And I'm like, you would

2:22

not believe me if I told you where I was

2:24

to where I am today.

2:26

It's like it's it's truly just

2:28

I don't think people can blind because they can't understand

2:30

where you're at. I mean, if what you're comfortable talking

2:33

about, talk about your bottom, talk about your

2:35

moment of surrender when you weigh the white flag.

2:37

I've heard different actors talk about

2:39

different versions of their bottom and different like musicians.

2:41

And the reason I bring actors and musicians up

2:44

is because those are the people that I looked up to

2:46

or that I looked to

2:48

to see that if I had a problem. And

2:51

I think when I was a when I was a kid, like

2:55

I think everybody, it's funny when you get to AA

2:57

meetings and stuff, like everybody's like, yeah, well, you

2:59

know, I never thought that that was me, Like I wasn't

3:01

the guy with the problem, but it seems like that's what everybody

3:03

says. Like everyone's like, yeah, yeah, I'm

3:05

not the alcoholic right, Like it's like it's the other guy,

3:09

like I can go a day without doing it. It's

3:11

like, well, it doesn't matter if you can go a day without doing it. If

3:13

if on Wednesday you're fine, but by Friday

3:15

you're an absolute mess. You

3:18

have a problem. And I think that

3:21

that's really hard to come to terms with for

3:23

people. It certainly was really hard for me to come to terms

3:25

with because I wasn't the kind of guy who was like I

3:28

need this every day. I

3:30

was a different kind where when I went,

3:32

I went, and I was gone to the world. But

3:34

like you know, I have always been a very extreme

3:37

personality, and I think I've

3:39

always had this, you

3:41

know, candidly, I didn't

3:44

grow up below the poverty line. You

3:46

know, I had a very very

3:48

blessed upbringing, and I

3:50

always felt this tremendous amount of guilt around

3:52

that that I never

3:54

had to struggle the way that some of my other artist

3:56

colleagues did. And then

4:00

when I had success, especially so

4:03

easily so early on, and

4:05

you know, listen, I went to hundreds

4:07

and thousands of auditions before that and a

4:10

lot of no's, but on average, compared to the average

4:12

actor, I did get very lucky very early, and

4:15

when you're nineteen years old and a movie like The Hungry Games

4:18

comes out and you think you understand how

4:21

to be an actor and how to work, that

4:23

does something to you, especially

4:25

when everyone thinks that you're there's

4:27

nothing work. Jim Jeffrey said this, and I just loved

4:29

it so much. He was like, there's nothing worse than being

4:31

famous and broke, you

4:34

know, because everyone thinks that you made it right, and it's

4:36

like you're that nineteen year old guy who's

4:39

like, I'm buying all my friend's dinner and like they

4:41

have no idea that, like I have

4:43

no money, you know, and why

4:45

did you do that? Why did I do that?

4:47

That's a great question. I think that I

4:50

I've always had a bad relationship with money. I always

4:52

said that, Like, I think that,

4:55

and I think early on in my life, I felt

4:57

like the amount that you had is

5:01

equivalent to how happy a person was

5:03

or how successful a person was. As

5:05

I've gotten older, and You've

5:08

been so lucky with the tremendous

5:10

people I've met from every side of the

5:14

financial scale, from people who have started

5:16

multi billion dollar companies who I consider some

5:18

of my close friends, to people who literally

5:21

walked on off the streets, who I also consider

5:23

my close friends. I

5:26

found that happiness

5:31

and financial gain

5:34

are two very, very different things, and those

5:37

two should never be tied to each other at all,

5:40

and that people's wins in life come at different

5:42

times. And one of the sickest things that we do to ourselves

5:45

as human

5:47

beings is we put these crazy timelines

5:50

on ourselves, like, well, if I'm not here at

5:52

this point, you know. And I see it in my in

5:55

my siblings, I see it in my friends

5:58

that they're like, well, you know, easy for you to say,

6:00

Alexander, like look what you have at your left. I was like,

6:02

guys, it's not how the light, how the world works.

6:04

I'm like, you know, like I may have had

6:06

wins at this time in my life, but who knows what is

6:08

ahead of for me? Like I think we're

6:11

all going to have wins at different times in our life, and

6:14

we're all running our own race. It's not this

6:16

is not a competition, this is not that's

6:18

not what life is, you know. And I think that we

6:20

get lost in that. I mean, you

6:23

look at your close friend RDJ

6:25

when he had his big wins. I mean, listen,

6:28

he wasn't he wasn't crushing at it at

6:30

you know, eighteen years old. You know that guy had to

6:32

go through hell before he did it, and

6:34

thank god he did because you look at what he has

6:36

now. I would be willing to bet and

6:38

I mean, you know him way more than I've only met

6:40

him a few times, but like, I'd be willing to

6:42

bet that that man is one of the most grateful

6:44

men on the planet because of what he went through

6:47

every day.

6:47

Buddy and Light. Much like Robert,

6:50

what you did, though, is you put.

6:52

In the work though you have to, you

6:54

put in the work and you made recovery number one.

6:57

Yeah. Now, it was so funny. I joked to my family

6:59

about this. I'm like, you know I would. I was a classic

7:01

C student, but I fucking ace

7:03

to rehab. I was like, I

7:05

was like, I'm getting better, Like I am, this

7:08

is an issue and I'm getting better and even

7:10

to this day, like it's the

7:13

thing I'm most proud of. You know that

7:15

that might that I will do everything in my

7:18

power so that my daughter

7:20

and my son will never see me

7:22

loaded straight up, you know. And

7:25

and honestly, the

7:27

irony is that like I used to be

7:29

so afraid of, like being organized

7:32

or like you know, not procrastinating.

7:35

And now I've realized that, like literally,

7:37

discipline is freedom.

7:40

People are like, Alexander, how do you do it right? Because

7:42

one of the greatest advice I got from a friend about

7:45

children was that you fit them into your life, not the other

7:47

way around. So because

7:49

the last thing you want is to ever resent your kids, right.

7:52

It's like, so Lauren and

7:54

I had Lenny and she was like two months old, she'd

7:56

gotten all her shots and she was ready to go, and

7:58

we were like, man, like, if we didn't, the baby

8:00

would probably be you know, because in

8:02

my life, like we we can't plan vacations

8:05

or we can't plan like trips because

8:07

like tomorrow I could literally get a call sitting You're in South

8:09

Africa for three and a half months. So we're

8:12

like, well, we'd probably be in Spain right now or something

8:14

right so we're like, let's go to Spain

8:17

about the baby. And it was amazing and

8:19

it was an incredible experience. And

8:22

and now with two we do the same thing. And

8:24

it's listen, traveling's

8:27

ruined forever, but once

8:29

you're there, it's it's an incredible,

8:32

incredible experience and like something that I'm so

8:34

grateful to be able to share with my kids.

8:36

So yeah, you

8:38

got to put in the work and you

8:42

have to really want it. And that's the craziest thing about

8:44

it, is like all we can do, you

8:46

know, And we've seen tragedy together.

8:49

Yeah, I mean, you know, if you're comfortable

8:51

saying it, talk about it.

8:53

All you can do is all

8:55

you can do. And for us, the

8:57

best thing we can do for others, I think is living

9:00

a life where you're in constant consultation

9:03

and you're living the life that you preach. You

9:05

practice what you preach, you know, And I'm I'm

9:08

never going to put myself on a pedestal because I

9:10

have been through everything that anybody

9:12

who walks into these rooms or anyone

9:15

on the street has probably been through. Like we all are sharing

9:17

that a similar story,

9:20

very different circumstances, but

9:22

we're all we all have our crosses to bear, you know,

9:24

our burdens to bear. And you

9:27

know, my my sponsor here

9:29

had relapsed and to

9:32

date, I think has

9:34

gone to the wind, and and you know, there's

9:36

only so much we can do. Like at that point,

9:38

you have to leave it to that person to want to

9:40

get better. And all we can do is serve

9:42

as an example of like how great it can

9:44

be, you know, and listen, we all have bad

9:47

days, but like God, am I

9:49

grateful beyond grateful

9:51

to you know, to be where I'm at and

9:53

to be sober. And you

9:55

know, one of the saddest stories we had

9:58

together, and and there's

10:00

so many more that we've all experienced separately,

10:02

but together, you know, we had

10:04

there was a young guy named Marcello,

10:07

and he was this incredible, incredible

10:09

light, this incredible human being. He was a family friend

10:13

and uh wanted to be an actor, and he

10:15

was really

10:17

really struggling with his own addictions.

10:20

And you know, I brought him in here and you know, we

10:22

did our we did what we

10:24

could, and he became a part of the community. I

10:26

think he even lived here, and and

10:28

sadly, it seemed like he was going on a really

10:30

good path and then out of nowhere, uh,

10:33

he passed away. And I

10:38

wasn't like super close

10:40

with him personally, like we we had friends

10:44

that were that we were

10:46

close to, but I just, uh, yeah,

10:49

that was a really hard one. You know. That was a young, amazing

10:51

kid with so much talk for the world, and yeah,

10:56

that that sucked. And you

10:58

know I've had you know, my writing partner, uh

11:00

you know died from an overdose, and

11:03

and my cousin, and it

11:06

it's it's everywhere. And I

11:09

guess what we can do is just serve as an

11:11

example of like this is where you can go,

11:14

and you just you got to love yourself enough

11:16

to give yourself that we're going to talk about.

11:18

Well, yeah, you know about our

11:20

beautiful brother, Marchelle. He was such a beautiful

11:23

cat. Such we

11:25

would always we love swimming the ocean, so I

11:27

went out and swam this morning. I said that this show's

11:29

for you today, brother. Yeah, we're going to dedicate

11:32

this one for you. Yeah, but let's

11:34

talk about this. You're you got sobered at a young

11:36

age. What are

11:38

techniques for would you recommend

11:41

for young people? Young artists that

11:43

you know that have helped you stay clean, maintain

11:46

a life, Meet an extraordinary person.

11:48

Okay, marry that person, Okay,

11:52

be happy in that marriage. Could you talk about some of

11:54

the techniques you've learned over the years.

11:56

One hundred percent? I mean, and

11:59

I just as a caveat just say like,

12:02

like I think I'm

12:04

always growing in

12:06

my sobriety and as a human. So I'm

12:10

not about to sit here and be like I've figured it out,

12:12

because I certainly haven't, and I don't think I

12:14

ever will. But my

12:18

favorite author in the entire world is

12:20

a guy named Ryan Holiday. And

12:23

Ryan is a friend of mine, and he lives in Austin,

12:25

Texas, and we've become friends since I did

12:27

his podcast he started

12:29

a He basically modernized

12:31

stoicism in these books.

12:34

And really special guy.

12:35

I've told him how special he and how much

12:38

of an impact he's had on me, but I don't

12:40

know if he'll ever really understand. And and

12:42

I've and I've had people reach

12:44

out to me who are trying to get sober,

12:46

and I've recommended his books and they

12:48

were like, whoa, because

12:53

we're all I think shame is a huge

12:55

part of addiction. We all carry this immense

12:57

amount of shame and guilt

12:59

and and just like it's

13:01

like I'll never be enough or you

13:04

know, somebody did something to me at a younger age

13:06

and I'm just like never gonna get over this and I'm

13:08

not worthy or whatever it is,

13:11

especially Nowaday is like it is so tough

13:14

for young men especially and women.

13:16

But like you know, with

13:18

social media and everything, everyone is posting their

13:20

highlight reels and

13:23

and you're just looking around just being like, wow,

13:26

maybe I didn't figure this out, maybe I didn't get

13:28

life right right. And that's just like when

13:32

you read these books about Stoicism and about

13:34

how these people lived.

13:37

Discipline is freedom

13:40

and say that again, discipline is what is freedom,

13:42

straight up. And Aristotle said this, he

13:44

said, you know, freedom

13:47

is obedience to self formulated rules,

13:51

and they figured it out. I really

13:53

believe that these guys did these old stoics,

13:56

because yeah, the world

13:58

will change and everything, but these guys were like it.

14:01

There's such a similarity I found to

14:04

stoicism and sobriety, and for me

14:06

at least, that

14:08

it's about what are

14:10

the things I need to do every

14:13

day that make me the best

14:15

version of myself? And I

14:18

see you every day. You're jumping in

14:20

the ocean, you know, you're working out,

14:22

you know, and you are just a light every day.

14:24

Oh thank you brother.

14:26

The first thing somebody would say is let's

14:28

just see now. It's like no, no, no, no, no,

14:30

Sino has to work at that straight up. And

14:32

that's why you're you're the guy. You are right and

14:34

and and that's the same for me. Or

14:37

you look at anybody

14:39

in their life. And I found this a lot in like, you

14:42

know, successful people everywhere.

14:45

And when I say successful, I'm

14:48

not talking rich because to me, like

14:50

that's not success. I'm

14:52

talking about successful people in their life.

14:55

They have children that love them, they're free, they're

14:57

free, right, They're high frequency, and

14:59

in fact they're not They're not wanting

15:02

for more, you know, or or needing for

15:04

more. I don't think there's anything wrong

15:06

with with with you know, wanting

15:09

to achieve or build or any of that. That's fine,

15:11

but they're not living in a place of lack. And

15:14

that takes a lot of work. And I

15:17

have totally and I believe this fully.

15:20

If you go within and

15:23

you focus on building,

15:25

and I says to my brother all the times, building your armor,

15:28

you know, nothing can

15:30

phase you. I live in a I live

15:32

in a in a business that

15:34

that is filled

15:36

with rejection. Uh. And that

15:39

rejection can breed shame and

15:42

it can it can breed worry,

15:44

and it can breed lack. And

15:46

no matter how big you get, this is just to

15:48

dispel whatever you people think.

15:51

You know, a life of an actor is. And I've talked to some

15:53

of the people that everyone

15:56

in the world knows their names. I am telling

15:58

you this does not change. And

16:00

that was a huge moment for me when I talked to some of

16:02

these guys and they were like, oh, dude,

16:04

Like, you know, I still lose the occasional

16:06

job to the other guy just gets a smaller pool,

16:08

Right, But that feeling is always

16:11

there, And the only way to dispel that

16:13

feeling that I have found is doing

16:16

the things that make me the best

16:18

version of myself every day. So if I want to

16:20

get up early, I have to go to bed early, right. If

16:22

I want to feel good, I need to eat good. You

16:24

know, I need to exercise, you

16:26

know. If I want to get my mind straight, I need to meditate.

16:29

And it doesn't have to be for an hour. It can be for ten minutes,

16:31

be for five minutes, living

16:34

in constant consultation, you know,

16:36

showing up for myself so

16:38

that I can show up for the world, and

16:42

it doesn't work the other way around. Right.

16:45

It's like I always thought it was such a stupid

16:47

thing they did on planes where they were like, make sure

16:49

you put your mask on first, and

16:51

I was like, why, Like, what kind of hero does

16:53

that put your mask on your kid first?

16:56

Right? And

16:58

only now do I understand it. Right. You

17:00

got to put your mask on first so

17:02

that you can take care of everyone else. And

17:08

and it's sad when some other people don't

17:10

want to do that or don't realize that they haven't

17:13

done that yet. The

17:15

worst one is when you see people that have put

17:17

their mask on and then taken it off. That's

17:19

the hardest one, right, Let's.

17:21

Talk about that. That's that's a great metaphor.

17:23

Yeah, because yeah, your addict

17:25

is always doing push ups in the parking lot, you

17:28

know. And I

17:31

will say it's gotten a lot easier for me over

17:34

the time. Like I've I've I

17:37

genuinely and I've been around the

17:39

stuff that I used to just you

17:42

know that has it has shown itself to me.

17:44

I've been at an event or a party

17:47

or or something where the

17:50

drug I used to do, or the you know, the drinking

17:52

and all that stuff is around. And granted

17:54

I don't really go out as much anymore,

17:57

that's not really what gets me high like in

17:59

life, but I've been

18:01

around it since and nothing

18:05

I remember, I without

18:08

getting too crazy, I remember the specific situation

18:10

that happened not too long ago. I was I

18:12

was at some event and somebody

18:15

had something and they were doing it in

18:17

front of me, and I looked up to the sky

18:19

and I remember and I literally said, I

18:21

know what you're doing. I

18:24

was like, that's a good one, and I and I

18:26

left and I left, and I was just like, this

18:28

ain't this. This isn't me, you know,

18:30

like I have too much in life

18:32

that I want to do and too many things I want to build,

18:35

and too many people depending on me to ever

18:37

put myself in that situation. But I

18:40

need to constantly remind myself that it's right

18:42

there.

18:42

Well, let me add to that great thing.

18:44

Buddy, going back to the Stokes, going back to

18:46

preparation, had you if you're not committed

18:48

to the daily work, which I know you are, that

18:51

might not be a oh God,

18:53

I see what you're doing. That might be do

18:56

you have.

18:56

Enough right now? For both of us?

18:58

Totally totally saying

19:00

yeah, absolutely, you know you.

19:03

Can't because you never know when the darkness gonna come, because

19:05

it's very patient.

19:06

I think the daily work is you

19:10

need to define what that is for you, right

19:13

Like it's not like read,

19:15

you know, read an AA book and

19:17

be like that's all right. I gotta

19:20

follow those steps every single day. I think it's

19:22

like that's the part of like living in

19:24

consultation, like what is your daily work?

19:27

And then it gets really fun because you're

19:29

like, oh,

19:31

this is working, and then you're like how

19:34

do I find tune this? And then you're like how

19:37

do I supercharge this? You know, it's like you're

19:39

constantly just like getting better, and that's what

19:41

I'm excited for. I always go like, man,

19:43

in six years,

19:45

six years to date, you

19:48

know, I mean, it's

19:50

it's mind boggling when I heard. I

19:53

mean, it's it's kids, it's

19:55

homes, it's my

19:58

beautiful, incredible wife. It's

20:01

a gold and silver recycled jewelry

20:03

company called there that we started. It's

20:06

that that uses all recycled materials. You know.

20:10

It's my

20:12

relationships with my family and my friends

20:14

and that they look to me as somebody who shows

20:16

up and who is there in

20:19

six short years? And all I'm thinking

20:21

is what is six more years?

20:25

Let's go back a little bit because I want to make a point

20:28

that you've made, and it's very important

20:30

the listeners hear this. These

20:32

things that you have in your life, these films, your

20:34

beautiful children, that that wasn't on the radar

20:37

when we started, and you would get

20:39

overwhelmed sometimes and right,

20:43

but you called this in an existence. Okay,

20:47

you made this, You learned manifestation. One of the

20:49

things I love about you is you're insanely curious

20:52

and you learn the art of saying I don't know and I

20:54

need help, and you

20:57

got really good at I'm

20:59

just going to do my fucking work right now. I'm

21:01

gonna stay in my lane and let's see what drops

21:04

in.

21:04

Yeah.

21:04

And once you really when I saw you kind

21:07

of really master that, and then.

21:09

It was it could stop.

21:11

Can we talk more about that about the visualization

21:14

the manifestation when you stop trying

21:16

so hard, when you just focused on

21:19

get my ass in the best shape that I can doing

21:21

the best project I can do what's in front of

21:23

me, not worrying about what's gonna happen next.

21:26

That is the hardest thing I still struggle with today, Thank

21:28

you, brother. Like it's so that

21:31

is if anything you hit on the nose, dude

21:33

like that. If there's anything that I'm working

21:35

on like so much,

21:38

it's that, it's that. Because

21:41

manifesting is a very funny,

21:44

funny term, like it seems I

21:49

know it exists, like I felt

21:51

it. I believe it, like it has happened for me,

21:53

and I've seen it happen for people, Like I know, manifesting

21:56

is a real thing, but it sounds like fairy

21:58

dust. It sounds like this can't be

22:00

real. But I think, including

22:03

myself, people mistake

22:05

what that is. And it's not.

22:09

If I sit here and I want

22:11

a million dollars and

22:14

I just think about it and I visualize

22:16

it happening, it's gonna just I'm to open

22:18

my eyes, just be there, you know, and say,

22:20

that's not how it works. It's like we're not we're not wizards

22:23

here.

22:23

That's called magical thinking.

22:24

That's magical thinking.

22:25

Yeah, that's junkie talks.

22:26

Junky talk exactly. Like like what

22:29

I've learned, And this is

22:31

the hardest one is like when

22:34

you audition for a project or you are offered

22:36

a project, and both

22:38

happen, you know, at different times, like usually

22:40

like the huge ones, like a Bad Boys,

22:42

like everyone is auditioning

22:45

for that. Usually it's

22:47

very rare that you would be offered something like that. Every once

22:49

in a while, it you know, I'd be very lucky

22:51

and I'll get a straight up offer

22:54

for a big studio thing, but you know, more often

22:56

than not, the things that you want you fight

22:59

for the problem

23:01

is that you you start dreaming

23:03

about what it's going to be and

23:06

what it's going to be for you and

23:08

your career and for everyone else around you,

23:10

you know, and you've got this whole vision, and then suddenly

23:12

you don't get it, and not only have

23:14

you lost that job, you've

23:17

lost the entire narrative

23:20

and story that you've told yourself that this jobs that

23:22

happened. The irony in

23:24

this is that, I kid you,

23:26

not every single job I have ever not

23:29

gotten in my life I

23:31

have looked back and this has

23:33

just taken time for me to realize and been like, thank

23:36

God, I didn't get that job because not

23:41

one of them, not one of

23:43

the ones that I was like so close on that I was like, this is

23:45

the one, you know, You're like, the

23:47

one I can feel it. Not

23:50

one of them was

23:54

was good or life changing

23:57

or anything. It's always the ones you don't expect.

24:00

And

24:03

the reason it's the ones that you don't expect is

24:05

because when you're going for

24:07

that job, you had

24:09

let go of the outcome. And it's

24:11

ironic because for me, like it's

24:14

the ones where I'm like, Okay,

24:18

I'm gonna go. I'm there to give a performance,

24:20

not to give it get a job, and

24:23

I'm gonna let go of

24:25

you know, if it's meant if it's meant for me, it's meant for me, and

24:28

if it's not, it's not. I have met guys

24:30

who have gotten incredibly lucky, and the most

24:32

successful people in the world will

24:34

tell you that they got

24:36

it through a lot of persistence,

24:38

consistency, and luck. Guys

24:42

who have success and

24:45

claim that it

24:48

was all because of them and

24:50

what they did all them. No,

24:53

no, no, I did it all. It's all mine.

24:55

Like that ain't lasting, right.

24:59

I do believe even making your own luck. I believe in

25:02

and being consistent and persistent, and I

25:04

believe that that happens too. But

25:08

I think it's kind of toxic for people

25:11

to look up to these sort of people who

25:13

have just claimed that everything

25:16

that happened that was so blessed

25:18

in their life is purely based

25:20

on them

25:22

and only them.

25:24

I think making your own luck is manifestation.

25:26

One hundred percent. And this is why I always go back to building

25:28

your own armor, because if

25:31

I feel good and I'm eating

25:33

well and I

25:35

look better, I'm more confident.

25:38

I train, I study, I

25:41

prep when I go into that

25:44

room or that meeting or whatever it is,

25:46

I'm They

25:48

could tell me I'm the worst

25:51

actor they've ever met in their entire life,

25:53

and I would not be faced for a second because

25:57

I know what I'm doing and I feel good and

25:59

I'm confident. I think

26:01

that there's a power in just focusing

26:03

on what you can control and

26:06

let go of the things that you can't, and the things we

26:08

can control is the things we can control.

26:10

There's a great scene in The Bruce Almighty. I

26:12

love this movie. Do you remember when Jim Carrey he's

26:15

God right, right, and he's looking at Jennifer Andison

26:17

he's got the powers of God and he's like, love

26:20

me right, and he's like, right,

26:23

and that's not up to you, yeah,

26:25

right. And I love that because I think that that's life.

26:27

And the irony is that when you when you let go of that

26:29

of what other people think of you, or or trying

26:32

to control some certain outcome that you think is meant

26:34

for you, the

26:36

universe will surprise you in the most magical way, in the

26:38

most magical ways, and at the end of the day,

26:40

like if you are healthy, like

26:43

you're the luckiest person

26:46

alive. Like if you have

26:48

your health, you truly have everything.

26:50

So like anything else, like realistically

26:52

is is just a bonus.

26:55

I want to talk about your heart because it's your

26:57

heart's magical brother. You've

26:59

always struck as somebody who's very kind and

27:02

one of the things I love about you. And I'm going to continue

27:04

to say it's a long list you do.

27:06

You'll meet people randomly somewhere

27:09

at a fucking getting ready for your uber, and

27:12

they'll just talk and you listen to them, and

27:14

then you hear their story, and then

27:16

you broadcast their story. You want to

27:19

raise awareness or money for them, and

27:21

it's it's all because you care about people.

27:24

You actually give a shit. Where did

27:26

that come from? Talk to me about that part of you. It's

27:29

also I think why you're such a fucking great actor

27:31

thanks to.

27:32

Well, well, honestly, like the truth is, like

27:34

I don't know how you cannot be that person and

27:37

be a great actor because like I

27:40

am so interested in the taxi

27:42

driver's story, right, you know,

27:44

like there's the girl who runs ads for us on

27:47

or one

27:50

of our companies, And I

27:52

was listening to a story the other night, like her her

27:54

mother was in a legal immigrant and

27:57

her story is insane. It's like, and

27:59

I'm just going holy shit, like

28:02

like just you know, I thought I had a crazy

28:04

story. And it's like people, people

28:06

all over have so much to offer, you

28:09

know, and we are all here for

28:11

a reason and a purpose. And

28:14

and I and I believe God or the universe or

28:16

whatever you believe in it has put that inside

28:18

of you. And I'll

28:22

tell you I have amazing I have an amazing

28:24

family, I really do. Like they love the shit

28:26

out of out of us, and I love the

28:29

hell out of them. Like every family, we

28:31

are complicated, you know, no,

28:33

there's no We're certainly not perfect,

28:35

but man do we have a lot of love.

28:38

And the one thing I

28:40

always I'm so grateful that I have my parents

28:42

for is you know. They always taught me to

28:44

treat the janitor

28:46

the same way you treat the CEO and

28:49

the beauty about my business and I love

28:51

it so much. Is that

28:53

that assistant over there that's

28:56

grabbing me coffee

28:58

on the set that I'm the star of could

29:01

be my boss in five years,

29:04

amen, you know. And by

29:06

the way, that's not the reason to be nice, but

29:09

like, I love that that's a very real possibility,

29:12

you know. That's awesome. And

29:15

everybody in Hollywood, for the most part, has to start

29:18

at the very bottom.

29:20

And we and it's your job

29:22

to not forget that we're

29:25

also just human beings, you know, like

29:27

I just and kids. I think also

29:30

is a huge part of that. Like it really wakes you up to like

29:33

what actually matters in life.

29:36

The things I cared so much about as a young

29:39

kid is like, m just

29:41

not what I could now. And I have met

29:44

enough of my heroes to know

29:47

they shit like you and me. You know,

29:50

there's just amazing people,

29:53

amazing work ethic, very

29:56

lucky, and very persistent,

29:59

you know, and

30:01

humble. A lot of them are very very humble

30:03

people. Not everyone, but a lot

30:05

of it. It's always the one SI

30:08

tracks. But I will say that I've met enough

30:10

people now in my life to realize

30:13

they are just that, a person

30:15

with their own issues and insecurities like all of us.

30:18

But how do you deal with negativity?

30:22

With negativity negativity your

30:24

brain or people you see in the world. Of

30:26

course, you know there are people not kind

30:29

in your industry, like the air a part of the world,

30:31

or people cut you off.

30:32

What's your how do you deal and not let that land on

30:34

you.

30:34

I was gonna tell you a story that I think it's hysterical. I think

30:36

you should tell me that you got that guy. You've never

30:38

told this story, and this is really funny. Every

30:41

actor has like their

30:43

worst audition story, right, and

30:46

it's one of my favorite things to hear. I ask

30:48

a lot of actors like tell me you're like worst

30:50

audition story. And like years ago, years

30:54

ago, I was asked and

30:56

I can't say his name because he's a very famous

30:58

director who's sadly passed the way. But

31:01

I was asked to go to this huge

31:03

director's office because

31:06

he had seen my tape and he wanted

31:08

me to play him in a movie about his life.

31:13

And that was a huge deal. Like this was a very famous

31:16

director and

31:18

like made movies that I loved growing up. So

31:22

I prepare my ass off. There's like eight

31:24

producers waiting in the in the room for me

31:27

to walk in. And it's a musical.

31:30

It has a musical element to it. Okay,

31:33

I call my agent. Do I have to prepare a song?

31:35

Do you have to No? No song, there's no singing

31:38

nothing, you know this is I'm

31:40

like, Okay, be sure. Yep, Okay,

31:43

show up, show up to the office and to

31:46

meet the casting director who you

31:48

actually know as well, amazing person,

31:50

love this person so much and

31:54

have my back. And he

31:56

said, okay, let's go into the room. Do

31:59

you read? And I get stopped

32:01

and they go mister director wants

32:04

to speak to you quickly in his office

32:06

alone. So that's

32:08

that's odd. Okay. So

32:10

I'm trying really hard not to say his name because I've

32:13

told the story a few times and I have some So

32:16

he brings me to his office. This is behind the desk,

32:18

and he goes and

32:21

this is a comedy by the way, I'm about to go do a comedic

32:23

reading for music a musical

32:26

movie. And he goes, I just want you to know your audition

32:28

was bad, which,

32:33

by the way, honestly, like looking back, he's

32:35

not wrong, like and I actually

32:37

knew that, like this was so long ago, like I remember

32:40

this so like I totally respect

32:42

that. But I was like, dude, I'm about to go

32:44

in and read like sixteen pages

32:46

like this is like a big audition, Like what the fuck

32:48

is this guy doing? And I was like, okay,

32:52

appreciate that. What

32:55

are you looking for? And also like, why

32:57

the fuck am I here? Like if you didn't like it,

32:59

why did you call call me into?

33:00

Did you say that you think that?

33:02

I said not why the fuck are mean? But also

33:04

like I was like, but you called me in, so like,

33:06

what what is it? You clearly see something? What

33:09

is it you want? You know? I was, let's collaborate

33:11

on this. What are you what are you looking for? He's

33:13

like nothing, I just wanted you know.

33:15

It's bad, and

33:17

I was like, oh damn, this's

33:20

gonna be fun. He's

33:22

like, let's go do it. Like I

33:25

don't know if this person's having a really bad day. I've heard

33:27

that he's remarkably

33:30

hard to work with and like just

33:32

kind of an asshole. So I took it, and I knew

33:35

this kind of going into it, but I was like, wow, that's

33:37

savage. So I go into the

33:39

reading all the producers there, thinking we just had some

33:41

great meeting in the office. He's

33:44

like, all right, start. I'm like, damn,

33:47

so I do this comedic movie scene?

33:51

No laughs, he just go He

33:54

just goes, huh that

33:56

was it? And I was like, fuck, this is a disaster.

33:59

And then I'm like all right, guys, well thanks for your

34:01

time. It was great. I'll see you later.

34:03

Go walk up. He's like, what about the song? Oy,

34:09

what are you talking about? He's like, what did you prepare

34:11

a song? I'm like no, I

34:13

actually genuinely, I was like. I

34:15

called my agent asked him if you guys want a song? And I figured

34:17

you would, but like, no, see that's fine, just

34:20

saying, uh, you are

34:23

my sunshine,

34:26

Oh my god. And I'm

34:29

like, oh shit, Oka my

34:31

god. So I just stand up there. You

34:33

just said you are my dude.

34:38

I left that room and I called

34:40

my agent bursting

34:43

out laughing, oh wow,

34:45

because he was like, how'd it go?

34:47

And I'm like, I can tell you what. We

34:50

ain't getting the fucking job. And

34:52

it was the worst thing that I ever had happened to me. But

34:54

I was like I finally got my story and

34:56

I was like, I love this. It was so fun and also

34:58

like the movie never happened. Movie never happened,

35:01

nothing ever happened with it. But I already

35:03

reached the place in my career at that point where like I

35:05

had started to gain that confidence. I had done it

35:07

enough that I felt like this

35:09

big time director wasn't going to

35:11

penetrate my soul. Whereas early

35:14

on it's a lot. You know, you're more vulnerable now

35:18

as an actor, it is so much more of a collaborative

35:20

experience. I know that I've

35:22

been chosen to play

35:25

this role because I'm a professional and I care

35:27

so much about what we do, and I show up ready

35:29

to go, and I don't care

35:32

if you're making twenty million dollars more than me on

35:34

a film. We've both been hired

35:37

to execute this project. So

35:39

we're colleagues and we're a team, and

35:42

that's how we operate. And we treat the

35:44

crew just like we would treat any other

35:46

actor, Like that's how you operate. And

35:51

yeah, I mean, I love that story so much. I

35:53

like to tell it. It's like a great dinner time story and

35:55

a you know, it was

35:59

as wild, but it didn't it didn't penetrate

36:01

my soul.

36:01

Well most most people that would have crushed them it

36:04

would have. And but again, you found

36:06

the humor in it. And it's so important to laugh move

36:08

on ourselves.

36:09

You have to make fun of yourself, right, And that was

36:11

the thing, is like, it wasn't always like that,

36:13

Like I think that the negativity that

36:16

how do I deal with it? It's like from

36:19

years of not being able to deal with it right

36:21

and and being like I need,

36:24

I will not survive in this business

36:28

because there are so many tremendously talented,

36:30

incredible, passionate, lovely, humble

36:33

people in this business. And there are also

36:35

fucking assholes as well. Like

36:38

any business, like, you're gonna run

36:40

into people that suck, you know, that haven't

36:42

figured it out, and that and that and that feel

36:44

like putting somebody down is the way to live their life.

36:47

And that's fine for them, but you can't

36:49

let that get to you or they win.

36:50

Amen.

36:52

And that's about building your armor and

36:55

or as we like to say here, not let anybody blow your light out.

36:58

Don't let anyone blow your light out, right, brother, And

37:00

that takes training, and this it does. You

37:02

know, you're not going to be the Michael Jordan of

37:04

that right off the bat. No, it's not gonna happen,

37:06

you know, but but you can work your

37:08

way towards it. And it's a daily practice.

37:11

It's a daily practice.

37:12

Let me go with this, then I want to talk about your amazing

37:14

fucking career, buddy. What

37:16

you just said. You know, I was blessed to early on work

37:19

for Jeff Golblum. He's such

37:21

an amazing teacher. To me, he's amazing.

37:23

He's such one of the kind.

37:24

He's the most repaired guy on the set, and

37:27

he taught me the art of you have to see, you

37:29

know, whatever is in like, particularly around acting

37:31

at the time.

37:32

You have to not want it.

37:33

Yeah, yes, you have to not want

37:36

and then something you know you probably you know I've

37:38

preached to you forever. I would always say to people,

37:41

do you trust God and all your affairs?

37:44

That is sput on though you talk about that,

37:47

it's because like and

37:49

that, by the way, they have to not want it thing is

37:51

such a hard thing, yes, especially on both artists,

37:53

because it's like you telling

37:55

me not to want to do this project.

37:58

Is you telling me not

38:01

to be an artist? Because when I read

38:03

something that I love that

38:05

I want to be a part of because

38:07

I love this, It's

38:09

like that is the hardest thing for

38:11

me to understand, because it's like, because I agree

38:13

with you, you have to not want it, But

38:16

like, I want to be an actor.

38:18

I want to tell this story. Of course

38:20

I do. So it's a really really

38:23

fine line. I

38:25

think the important thing to remember is

38:27

that and again

38:29

this goes for everything in life, Like, if

38:33

you want it to be the best it can be, then

38:37

trust the people who

38:39

made this project to make

38:41

because this isn't yours, this is theirs, right

38:46

trust them to make this project the

38:48

best because just because I want to

38:50

tell the story for me and

38:53

with me in it, doesn't mean it's the best

38:55

version of the story. Maybe

38:57

the person who wrote it wants it to

38:59

be, you know. And I

39:02

think that that was a that's always been

39:04

a struggle for me, right because like and I

39:06

mean, you talk to any big actor you

39:09

know with a name far bigger than mine, and

39:12

I talked to this, talk to them about this too. It's like it

39:14

is a very fine line.

39:17

But he's right, He's

39:19

one hundred percent right. You have to

39:21

not want it. And Brian Cranston wrote that in a book

39:23

and I'll say it again. It's like, when you're auditioning

39:25

for project, you're there to give a performance, not

39:28

to get a job. That is your

39:30

job. Just give your performance. And I always

39:32

say the job is auditioning, Like it's not. It's

39:34

not getting the role, Like that's the fun thing, you

39:37

know, And but

39:42

the letting go and trusting God

39:44

in all your affairs is the way. And

39:47

I know this from you. I know this

39:49

because Oprah has talked about it. I know this because

39:52

every person I have ever looked up

39:54

to who has done something, even in the

39:57

realm of what I want to do, has

40:00

said the same thing, that there is an

40:02

art form and a practice to

40:04

letting go. And

40:06

I don't know about you, and I would be so interested

40:09

to know because I'm basically getting a free therapy

40:11

session. Man. You

40:13

know, I haven't had a relationship with money, So let's

40:16

thank you.

40:16

You're the best. But I love that U K and Indians,

40:18

I love it. You're the best. That's great.

40:21

How do you let go? What

40:23

is the best way that you have found to

40:25

do it?

40:26

First by doing it wrong a thousand times? Yeah,

40:29

But I always come back to something I always

40:31

talk to with you is if

40:33

God could give me the gift of sobriety at twenty

40:35

two years of age and somehow

40:37

wake up and never want to put drugs in my system

40:40

ever again, why not help

40:42

me out with the rest of my life?

40:44

Okay?

40:45

And then, like you, I've practiced

40:47

the art of I'm not doing this podcast

40:49

to be famous or to make money. I'm

40:51

just showing up and seeing what happens.

40:54

I have years and years of I'm

40:56

going to be the most prepared person, whether it's

40:58

a therapy session or whatever it

41:00

is, and it's going to land the way it's gonna land. And

41:03

by doing that, I can celebrate that I

41:05

don't know, and I constantly get surprised. I

41:07

just came back from two weeks in Europe. I

41:10

sang this trip in the existence, Okay.

41:13

I met some of the most extraordinary people I couldn't

41:15

imagine. Like, for instance, I was

41:17

on my way to go to the film

41:19

festival and the art Festival in Venice with

41:21

a nello gentleman that was hosting me. It was a fundraiser

41:24

for Minute It come on Betch and his lovely wife,

41:28

and they didn't book my reservation

41:30

on the fight and it was completely

41:32

sold out, and I'm just fucking laughing, all right, whatever,

41:35

Somehow I got on it and the woman that was

41:37

supposed to do was so embarrassed she sat

41:40

back in economy and I had a two hour powout with

41:42

this guy that changed my life.

41:45

And I can give you a thousand more like that, Okay.

41:48

But had I been what the fuck you

41:51

don't have my ticket? I came all the way out here,

41:53

guy. No, I

41:55

was more about, don't sweat it. If

41:57

we don't go it's cool. What can I do to make

41:59

this it's easier for everybody. That

42:02

always works for me. But I constantly

42:04

get surprised that's

42:06

it.

42:07

But would you say that that's uh, that sort of

42:09

temperament is something that you had.

42:10

To work on. Of course it is. No, that didn't

42:12

that that's not just sino.

42:14

What's something that that's something that you've built.

42:16

Yesino just didn't happen where and okay,

42:19

no, no, my god, dude,

42:21

you know, I mean it's it's it's it's faith. It's real

42:23

faith, and it is service, and it is gratitude,

42:25

and it's not forgetting where I came from. Okay,

42:28

but it's also have a track record.

42:29

Now yeah, that's that's exactly

42:31

right. Yeah, because that's exactly it.

42:34

You don't wake up in faith, no.

42:35

No, one hundred percent that it's

42:38

like the track record helps

42:40

inform you being

42:43

like no, no, this this doesn't work.

42:45

Well, the system works.

42:46

It's a system.

42:46

I have empirical data.

42:48

Yeah, exactly, You're like you look at my look at

42:50

it.

42:50

It has to work for me because I I be too fucked

42:52

up.

42:52

No, you me both, And

42:55

that's exactly right. It's like people,

42:58

it's funny because people like six years, been

43:00

sober for six years. I'm like, yeah, but like

43:03

it now, the

43:05

idea of ever going back is so fucking

43:08

insane. I can't imagine even imagine, like who

43:10

is that person?

43:10

Right, Well, it's not acceptable.

43:12

It's unacceptable for you to for your children

43:14

never see loaded. It's just fucking

43:16

unacceptable ever happening. It's straight and

43:19

that's what it takes.

43:19

And I will work every single day word for

43:22

that to never have.

43:23

That's how we in the generational trauma. Well, you have a toolkit

43:26

to know how to deal. People will say, well, seeno, do you

43:28

still get triggered?

43:29

So of course I do. But they're not elevens anymore.

43:32

They have her around three or four.

43:33

I can live with threes and fourth, yes, but my toolkit

43:36

allows me to tie sheet with the world.

43:37

But due when I was first out of rehab, like it was like

43:40

they were they were sixteens.

43:41

I was, they were sixteen.

43:42

Oh my god, oh my god, can't go there, can't go there, can't go

43:44

there? Oh so what I felt like I had just come out

43:46

of like like a spaceship or something,

43:48

because like also I went to like an all guys

43:51

facilities. It was all men, so I

43:53

I hadn't seen like a woman for like fifty

43:55

days, and it was just like

43:58

it was surreal. I feel like out of prison and I wasn't

44:01

even there for that long. I mean it felt long,

44:03

but it you know, it was fifty days. And

44:06

I actually got out a little bit early because of good behavior.

44:08

Not really sounds like a prison. I got

44:10

it early because they were like, no,

44:12

we really feel like you're we can

44:15

sign off on you. You were ready to take

44:17

on the world. Let go. It's

44:20

sad, man like. I talked to people from there,

44:22

and a

44:24

lot of them didn't stay sober, you

44:26

know, and a lot of them and some of

44:28

them died.

44:29

Yeah, some died.

44:30

Yeah, Like it's like it was so real,

44:32

and some of the.

44:33

People that helped you find God, that helped

44:35

you wake up, are currently in prison. You

44:37

know you were talking, you were talking about a beautiful brother, John

44:40

Eric.

44:40

Yeah, well I didn't know if this is something that was like spoken

44:43

about.

44:43

No, no, we can speak about John. John Eric was a guy

44:45

who was my right hand man here at Shell. He was beautiful

44:47

brother he was six foot six stunning,

44:50

helped so many people get sober,

44:53

but forgot was keeping secrets about

44:56

sexual addiction. I'm not here to shame him because

44:58

he would he would say please to about

45:00

that, because he's currently in a prison cell

45:02

right now.

45:03

I didn't know he was in jail.

45:04

Yeah, and I and what happened.

45:06

What happened?

45:07

He had lost his way and darkness

45:10

overtook him and he got back on the

45:12

streets. And then one day there was a knock

45:14

on the door here two detectives. Is never good

45:16

sign when two detectives come here and they

45:18

say, is John Eric's still a resident here? And

45:20

I said, no, officer, he's not. What

45:22

can I help you with And they said, we're actually

45:25

from the victims unit. We're here

45:27

falling up on a case he was assaulted at MacArthur

45:29

Park and they had a file and

45:32

they were looking at it and I said, what's in that file? And

45:34

they go, there are pictures of him in the emergency

45:36

room. And I said, officer, he said, okay, if I look at these, and

45:40

it's still haunting. He got so badly

45:43

abused, it's amazing. He got his face kicked

45:45

in his face is still swollen

45:47

inside, and he got sober for a

45:49

little bit and he

45:52

overtook him and he went back to Robin Places

45:54

and he's he's currently in prison, he

45:56

paces.

45:57

Yeah, And this is a guy.

45:59

Who he was the first he was my first

46:01

sponsor when I got out, I.

46:02

Lived next door and just helped

46:04

so many guys and that's what happens

46:07

secrets.

46:08

Yeah, but like, so this was the saddest thing

46:10

about I mean, other than the fact that I

46:12

fucking love John and like I want nothing

46:14

but the best for him. And it's like heartbreaking the

46:16

year that I Even

46:19

sadder than John ending up in prison and

46:22

everything that happened there is what

46:25

happened to the people he was sponsoring.

46:26

Let's talk about that buddy had land on you.

46:29

It really pissed me off because I was like,

46:32

and it pissed me off at I can't remember the guy's name,

46:34

and I wouldn't even bring it up because this is a

46:37

no name thing. But like he one

46:39

of his, like the New League guys that he was sponsored,

46:41

and John had sponsored me for maybe a

46:43

year or maybe more, maybe

46:45

more, maybely two years. I can't remember. He's

46:50

like, well, fuck if it doesn't work for John, right,

46:52

I said, what the fuck are you talking about? If it doesn't work for John,

46:54

I'm like, is it working for you? Like,

46:57

is it working for you? Like you're

46:59

telling me that this is your excuse to just go back

47:01

and just live that life like that's that's

47:03

ridiculous. Like for me, I'm like, no, no, you

47:05

know, John has had had a secret

47:08

and he's and he's kept that and that's

47:10

on John. But but

47:13

I'm not letting that take me.

47:15

You know.

47:16

In fact, I'm going to be here ready

47:19

and able to help John when

47:21

he gets.

47:22

Out, and I know you would be. And I hope he does get out.

47:24

And I hope he does, and I hope he's and and I hope

47:26

he's he's ready to like look at

47:28

his life and come back.

47:29

Because I hope he's a beautiful So he always has a homewhere.

47:31

People always have a home.

47:32

One hundred percent. Yeah, but like time, but I

47:35

really just like I was like, damn, man, Like that's such

47:37

an addict thing to say. And

47:39

the reason I think it upset me the most

47:43

is because a part of me was thinking it. Yeah,

47:45

I'm sure of course that's why it upset me. Was

47:47

like, oh, man, maybe this doesn't work. I mean it was early

47:49

on enough that I was kind of like, huh, you know, and

47:52

then I was like, no, that ain't

47:55

my way out. You know, I'm not going to use that as

47:57

my excuse to be some irresponsible mess.

48:00

I was like, and I say this to everybody

48:02

who's getting sober, is like, it

48:04

is not your fault that you were an addict.

48:07

Right, It is not your fault

48:09

that whatever happened in your life happened to you.

48:12

It is one hundred percent your fault

48:15

if you do nothing about it.

48:16

Amen, brother, right on, that's on you.

48:18

That's necklace with every trauma anyone

48:20

has. Life is not fair. People

48:23

have shit. Like I was. I rented

48:25

a This was crazy. I rented a

48:28

house for my ex girlfriend's family

48:31

over the Christmas holidays and years

48:34

ago. And we were on a frozen

48:36

lake and this

48:38

beautiful cabin on this frozen lake. Like we'd actually

48:41

like cut into the ice and like we went

48:43

like ice plunging with like ropes

48:45

attached to us so we didn't get dragged in the waters.

48:48

Our version of safe We're Canadians, were psychoist.

48:50

But the next morning

48:52

I had woken up and

48:55

we had just stayed up really late that night, so I think it was like

48:57

eleven am or something. I had woken up and I heard

48:59

this like loud like by

49:02

my window, and

49:04

I guess one of the

49:07

girls that were there, her boyfriend took

49:10

a snowmobile on onto the ice. Like

49:15

the ice now in Canada. That's that's

49:17

actually not like a crazy thing to do. Like it

49:19

can be cold enough that that's fine, but this

49:21

specific season, the ice

49:25

was not thick enough. And you can look this

49:27

stuff up online to find out the thickness of the ice.

49:29

It's not thick enough to hold this snowmobile

49:33

up. So what happened was he was going

49:35

and it's insanely fast over

49:38

the ice, and the ice cracked and

49:40

the snowmobile hit the crack and

49:43

started to just tumble on itself

49:45

with him on it, and then flung

49:48

him like fifty feet away

49:50

from the snowmobile. I'm in my boxers.

49:53

I sprang out onto the ice and

49:55

I finally arrive at the snowmobile,

49:58

which just looks like it's been exploded, and him

50:00

him that looks like he's been attacked from

50:02

by a bear. His ear is ripped

50:04

off, there's blood. I mean, it looks

50:06

like a scene from Vikings and blood

50:08

everywhere, and that was a crazy Another crazy thing was that it really

50:11

didn't affect me. And I'm one hundred percent believe

50:14

that that's because I've been around so much makeup

50:16

that looks soy, and I was like, OK, this

50:18

is another scene. But anyways, there was blood everywhere

50:21

and and I was just like, holy

50:23

shit. And then my ex's brother came on, who

50:25

has he's a

50:28

He worked on the oil rigs, so they have to get

50:32

like your first responder thing.

50:34

I guess to work on the I can't remember what that's called, but

50:36

you know, he learns first aid and stuff like that. So like he

50:38

arrived too, So it was me and him and this

50:41

guy's unresponsive and he starts

50:43

to like move a little bit, Like holy

50:45

shit, we need to build this guy a stretcher, Like he can't

50:47

be out here bleeding out on the

50:49

ice. Call

50:52

the obviously ambulance immediately.

50:54

It's going to take them an hour to get

50:56

to here, but like this guy isn't gonna make it an

50:58

hour. They send a

51:01

helicopter and the pilots like, we

51:03

can't land on the ice, it's too

51:05

thin, Like the helicopter will go through

51:07

the ice. So one

51:09

of my extra stepbrothers end up painting like an h

51:12

by the right beside the cabin

51:14

and the ice. I mean they had literally we had

51:16

about two feet I'm not even

51:19

joking for air like they they had

51:21

to land perfectly, and these pilots are so incredible

51:23

they did. By

51:26

the time the helicopter had landed, there was already

51:28

an ambulance that finally made it there. So he was being

51:30

worked on. He got airlifted out,

51:32

then took a plane from this

51:34

area and camlps that we were at back to Vancouver,

51:37

Canada, where they worked on him and he

51:40

survived, but is now a quatripolegic.

51:43

Wow.

51:45

I mean, I guess technically is a parable because he can I

51:47

guess he can move his arms a little bit,

51:50

but his hands are like And through

51:53

that experience, I barely knew this guy.

51:56

Like we talk often

52:00

on WhatsApp and I

52:02

always messaged him every Christmas. And

52:04

you know, he had tried to take his own life at one

52:06

point, which I completely

52:09

understand and

52:12

and I recommended. You know, Ryan's poke said it and I

52:14

said to him, listen, man, like what

52:17

happened to you is just beyond

52:19

unfair. Like, I can't imagine

52:22

how you're feeling right now. This is an outdoors

52:24

man, like he loves being there, you

52:26

know, And I'm like, you

52:29

need to do everything you

52:31

can to find purpose in this. You

52:35

have to you have to fight like your life

52:37

depends on it to find meaning in this,

52:40

because your life does like

52:43

he does. Like and

52:45

dude, like I can't even fucking

52:47

imagine, Like I cannot, but

52:50

like after experiencing that firsthand,

52:52

but watching somebody lose

52:54

their ability to move, It's

52:58

like, what are

53:00

you complaining about, d.

53:02

Amen, right because

53:04

you and I both know we could have sill sleep been.

53:06

That guy within a heartbeat,

53:09

right, I mean, and we still can be one

53:11

hundred. I mean we were talking about the other day

53:13

like I was like literally jumping off

53:15

of cliffs in Hollywood, like

53:18

like like a psychopath, like not

53:20

even thinking that, Like it was a twenty foot drop and

53:22

I would be rolling around in the dust and the

53:24

dirt and the blood just because I was so

53:26

messed up out in my mind, not even realizing it. It's

53:28

like, you're that

53:31

so easily would should have been me,

53:33

snapperneck.

53:34

It's done, yeah, right, I mean.

53:36

And then my other friend like had an overdose and

53:38

I'm and I'm like I

53:40

remember, like I remember, you know,

53:42

using with this guy like I that

53:44

that should have been me, you know. And

53:47

it's just for anybody

53:49

out there who watches this, Like I had made

53:52

a promise to myself that like, once I

53:54

got clean and sober, like I was, you know, God

53:56

like help me get clean and sober, and I

53:59

will do everything I can to help the next people.

54:01

And that's what this is

54:03

for. Really. It's like and I know you live your life

54:05

this way too. It's like, you

54:07

know, you truly aren't alone. There's

54:10

so many people that deal with it, and

54:12

there truly is a light at the end of the tunnel.

54:14

You just need to start and you need to ask for help, and there's

54:17

a lot of courage.

54:19

Let's talk about your career. By the way, I watched

54:22

Bad Boys again on the flight back. You

54:24

are so fucking good in that I

54:26

was crying my eyes off

54:28

from that movie. And I forget

54:31

how your comedic talent. You're really fucking

54:33

funny. I'm never like tell

54:36

my wife that,

54:36

I'll tell

54:38

that director that too.

54:41

They're amazing. Those directors are incredible,

54:43

and like that movie

54:46

is like that the best

54:48

thing about what I do is I get to work

54:50

with my heroes. You know, I grew up on bad

54:52

Boys, you know, I know them. Like I ran

54:54

into Michael Bay when we were in Spain.

54:57

He was staying at the same hotel we were saying at and

54:59

I was like, Michael, like, I tell you

55:01

you're the reason I got a job right now, And he was like, you're

55:04

in Bad Boys, Like yeah, I was like and

55:06

and we were just talking about the yeah, And

55:08

we just ended up sending Will like this video

55:10

of us together, like this

55:12

little joke video of me trying to convince Ba to do

55:14

a cameo in the movie. And he ended up doing cameo

55:17

in the movie the second time. But

55:19

the fact I'm even just telling you that story now,

55:21

like or that I get to work with Jerry Bruckheimer, and

55:23

Jerry is like the Spielberger of producers,

55:25

you know. And I look at the

55:27

whole team, Chad Omon and and

55:30

Will and Martin, and they're just so lovely to

55:32

work with. They truly are amazing

55:34

human beings. And it's

55:37

a really and you know, Vanessa is incredible

55:40

as well. And I've made a lot of really really close friends

55:43

on that set, and it's

55:46

a movie that I grew up loving and getting

55:48

to be a part of it is just surreal. And

55:50

that's the beauty of the business is every once

55:53

in a while, you know, you get to

55:55

work with your heroes and you have to be a part of the things

55:57

that you know you were like if only you

55:59

know.

56:02

And the movie where you're like, there's

56:05

a rat and no one knows who the rat is right

56:07

in the division and you go,

56:10

full disclosure, I'm just not the red

56:13

that.

56:13

Okay, you're gonna You're gonna kill me. I haven't

56:16

seen it yet.

56:16

Oh, are you serious? So why on

56:19

purpose?

56:19

No, I need to watch it now. They

56:22

were, so they had the premiere

56:25

in la which is when I was going to see it, but

56:27

I was in the middle of shooting a show for

56:29

MGM Plus and Amazon Prime called Earthabides

56:32

in Vancouver, so I

56:34

was in my schedule for that was so insane,

56:37

like I was literally working every single day. There

56:40

was no way I was gonna be able to make it to the premiere. Unfortunately,

56:42

so I still haven't been able to see it, but

56:44

I've seen clips from it because when

56:46

we flew over to LA, a

56:49

bunch of people were watching the movie on the flight.

56:52

So I was like like kind of like watching

56:54

it from like this.

56:57

It's fucking You're unbelievable in

56:59

it. You're really Yeah, yeah.

57:01

It's so much fun. And I also feel like those those

57:03

kind of movies like listen, dan Aud,

57:05

here to win an oscar, they're here to entertain.

57:08

Like those movies are like the kind of movies that like

57:10

people need right now and love, like to

57:13

laugh. They get to just have a

57:15

fun summer movie. So to be

57:17

a small part of something like that is that's super

57:20

fun.

57:21

Yeah, it's magical.

57:22

Let's talk about and our boy, Eric

57:24

did a really good job. Eric.

57:26

Eric place a bad guy in this movie. Yeah, he's Eric

57:28

Dane.

57:29

He's a great bag.

57:30

He's a good back guy.

57:30

He's a great guy. Yeah, but he he

57:32

did.

57:33

Love you Eric, if you're watching the show, which I think

57:35

you might be, but he Let's talk about Vikings.

57:37

Did you do you guys? Film? It is that film in

57:39

Dublin.

57:39

We filmed that in Dublin for six years. Yeah,

57:42

I don't know Ireland.

57:43

Did you like? I just got back from Dublin.

57:45

I loved it. But a special place, very

57:48

special place, incredible

57:50

people, right, not a great place if you're

57:52

an at it. There's a lot of listen.

57:55

I mean, it's it's a it's a cold climate,

57:58

it's gray a lot of the time. There's

58:00

a huge drinking culture and it's

58:06

easy to get roped

58:08

into that. But I

58:10

have so much love for Ireland.

58:13

And it's also like where my wife and I reconnected

58:15

in Dublin, so like I

58:18

looked at that place so fondly and I just

58:21

I miss it. I cannot wait for the day. But I got

58:23

offered a movie in Dublin and

58:25

I get to work with that crew again.

58:28

I truly will never have an experience with

58:31

a cast like I did on that show, because

58:33

everybody moved there. So

58:35

it was like we were at

58:38

some we were like we went to college together.

58:41

You know.

58:41

I ran into Catherine, who played Lagatha,

58:44

my mother, who literally

58:46

looks like she should be my sister. Showed

58:48

up to the pop up we did for their for

58:50

the Jewelry Company yesterday

58:53

and I hadn't seen her in

58:55

years, only just because our schedules

58:57

and you know, I live in Austin now, I soa we don't get to see every

59:00

buddy all the time. But like, not

59:02

a single moment it passed like I was just like,

59:04

oh my god, hugged her. We were just you

59:06

know, we're just joking and

59:10

just like nothing ever changed. And

59:12

I have so much love for that cast and for that show,

59:15

and I'm so proud of that show.

59:16

You should be.

59:17

And my twelve year old self would have just lost

59:19

his mind if he knew that

59:22

that he would get to do that. You know. It's

59:24

one of those shows that I'm just like, and it has stood.

59:26

It is. It's crazy to me

59:29

how relevant that show

59:31

has stayed over time. It's almost like the

59:33

fans it's it has grown over

59:35

the years. And I've been off

59:37

it now for like five years.

59:40

Oh wow, it's it been that long, I know, but like

59:42

Netflix had just bought it a couple of years ago

59:44

and re released it, and so it's

59:46

just it's crazy.

59:47

You created an iconic character.

59:48

Brother, I'm blessed I got

59:50

to play an iconic character.

59:51

Yeah, but I get it, Yeah, I get it.

59:53

But no, I appreciate that, like I'm you know, and

59:55

he was he was a real guy. He was the first king of

59:57

Sweden. And it's uh,

1:00:00

is so special. So I'm

1:00:03

not talking about but this goes to go the things

1:00:05

you can and can't control.

1:00:06

Yeah, I wanted to.

1:00:07

I want to bring up how this happened because

1:00:10

when I got The Hunger Games, I

1:00:12

knew, and funny enough, ran into Josh

1:00:15

who literally two days ago out

1:00:17

an Emmy's party and I haven't seen him for ten years,

1:00:19

and I was like, dude, what are you doing?

1:00:22

How are you?

1:00:23

Wow? It's amazing. But like when I

1:00:25

got that movie, I

1:00:28

I knew, and it's the only movie to date where

1:00:31

I knew it was going to be huge. The

1:00:33

books were massive. You already felt

1:00:35

it like this was gonna be the energy. When

1:00:37

I did Vikings, it was some small

1:00:40

show on the History Channel, like

1:00:42

my cousin thought my career was over,

1:00:45

Like what are you doing taking a movie on the History

1:00:48

Channel? And this huge

1:00:50

choice? And it was TV wasn't like it was just

1:00:52

at the beginning of like the what I would call the Golden age

1:00:54

of television, like when TV was really becoming

1:00:57

synonymous with film, right

1:00:59

where you could I feel like you were watching Braveheart

1:01:01

on a television screen as opposed to in

1:01:03

the theaters.

1:01:04

Right, And.

1:01:06

I was like, man, like should I be doing

1:01:08

this six year commitment? I'm twenty years old?

1:01:10

Like I don't know, like you know,

1:01:13

you know, movies were always my thing. I've only ever

1:01:15

done movies, Like, should I do this show? You

1:01:18

know, will I be able to go back to film?

1:01:20

Like I don't know what that looks like? And I

1:01:24

was like, I'm an actor, you know,

1:01:26

I've it's

1:01:28

all about playing great characters. And what I've

1:01:30

been offered here is a phenomenal character.

1:01:33

Phenomenal character. That's

1:01:36

all that matters. Right, I can't

1:01:38

control who sees it, how well

1:01:40

it does. I can't control that it's

1:01:42

not on HBO, surely

1:01:46

enough. It is on HBO

1:01:49

all over Europe, It's on

1:01:51

Netflix all over the other parts of Europe, and

1:01:54

the second most illegally

1:01:57

downloaded TV show and history

1:02:01

with three hundred and sixty million illegal

1:02:03

downluts. So if you went to like Ghana

1:02:05

or like you went to some random place in Africa, like they

1:02:08

know you. And I

1:02:10

felt that when I went to Uruguay. I went to Uruguay.

1:02:13

I swear to god, dude, it was the most insane experience

1:02:16

ever, Like it was just like, you

1:02:19

know, you're chased by eight paparazzi cars

1:02:21

and they're calling the cops to pull you over on

1:02:23

your vespa because your license plates

1:02:25

all fucked up just so they can take the fun. It was so insane

1:02:28

and then like fans were going nuts, and I was

1:02:30

just like, Wow, this show has really traveled,

1:02:34

but it was some small show on the History Channel that never

1:02:36

should have How about that? So I just think

1:02:38

that, like, and that's how I operate

1:02:40

with everything I do. Now, It's like for me, it's like

1:02:42

I can't control what's going to be bigger was not. Nobody

1:02:45

can. I. Of course, you want everything

1:02:47

that you do to be seen. I love that,

1:02:49

Like it makes me happy to know that

1:02:51

my characters have you know, had

1:02:54

a small part in helping people

1:02:56

or you know, filling

1:02:59

people's time, you know, But like I

1:03:01

have no control over that. All I care about is telling great

1:03:03

stories, great characters.

1:03:06

Let's talk about two more things. Let's talk about your album.

1:03:09

Yeah, and let's talk about your project

1:03:11

with your your wife and this incredible jewelry line

1:03:13

and the messaging behind it. The thing about your album,

1:03:16

I remember where you're saying, like I'm going

1:03:18

to Nashville, Like what are you doing out there? We go, I'm

1:03:20

gonna learn about songwriting.

1:03:22

I'm gonna learn.

1:03:23

I'm gonna That's what I people don't understand

1:03:25

this. I think you were on a movie then, and

1:03:27

on weekends you would fly to Nashville

1:03:30

and just take meetings with people.

1:03:31

Do I have that right? Yeah?

1:03:32

And I knew nobody. I didn't know anybody,

1:03:34

right, I knew nobody. I just started taking

1:03:36

flights on like Southwest and Delta

1:03:40

and for eight months just started

1:03:42

going to Nashville. It just was like, fucking, I'm just

1:03:44

gonna figure this out because I love I love

1:03:46

songwriting, and this was purely

1:03:49

it. People keep

1:03:51

asking me like what are you doing, Like what's your next album? Like

1:03:53

what do you do? I'm like, you have to understand,

1:03:55

like this

1:03:57

was you doing this podcast? This

1:04:00

was is I am doing this

1:04:02

because I love it? Right on, I am not here,

1:04:05

like I am not about to tour for three hundred days out of

1:04:07

the year, like I'm going to be an actor

1:04:09

and a country sensation at the same time.

1:04:11

Like that's what, No, That's not what I'm doing. Like

1:04:13

I love it. I'm going to keep doing it.

1:04:15

I'm going to release music on my time

1:04:18

when I can, and I'm gonna keep writing because I love

1:04:20

writing. So

1:04:23

I started taking these flights and sure

1:04:25

enough, on one plane, all

1:04:28

these guys dressed in black come me

1:04:30

to come up to me to say we love Loan Survivor.

1:04:32

We're huge fans. What are you doing going to Nashville?

1:04:34

And I was like, well, writing, I love

1:04:36

writing. I have the time right now. I'm just want

1:04:39

to keep coming back and forth. He's like, dude, we produce

1:04:41

and play with Jason al Dain. I was like, Jay Thing's

1:04:43

one of my favorite country artists. They're like, to send

1:04:45

me your stuff. I was like, wow, I have like three like songs

1:04:48

I wrote, and you know, we have a demo. I'll

1:04:50

send it to you, send it to them. We need to

1:04:52

work together. Next thing you know, we're

1:04:55

in a studio together independently

1:04:57

making this record. Next thing you know, Jason's

1:04:59

like one of my col buddies. Next thing you know, I'm signed

1:05:01

by BMG. And I was just like, what

1:05:04

the hell is happening? Like I just did this

1:05:06

because I love it and I have no

1:05:09

control over what happened. Then next

1:05:11

thing you know, we're into a huge radio tour and

1:05:13

we're gonna promote this album

1:05:16

album released COVID no radio

1:05:18

tour, and I was like, it doesn't

1:05:20

matter. Like I got

1:05:22

when I when I came to do, you

1:05:24

know, like I listen, if a song popped off

1:05:26

and was great, great, I would play festivals and

1:05:28

I would go do that and I still plan to you like, I love

1:05:30

doing that. We did a sold out tour in Germany and that was a blast,

1:05:33

Like I love it. But like again, like

1:05:35

I think because it came from a place of just

1:05:39

love and respect for that that art

1:05:41

form and that way of life

1:05:43

is truly Like, there's so much about

1:05:45

country music that I that I connect to and I love, Like

1:05:47

I grew up loving the outdoors. I'm from Canada,

1:05:50

like you know, we actually listened to a ton

1:05:52

of country music over there. There's a huge

1:05:54

country festival we having Calgary cult Boats n Arts,

1:05:57

which I absolutely will play. I

1:05:59

played Watershed Festival, which

1:06:02

was at the Gorge. It was like

1:06:05

the Gorge is like the most stunning look

1:06:07

that in Red Rocks, like the two most stunning locations.

1:06:09

And I played there and it was just the most spectacular,

1:06:12

magical experience. And

1:06:14

I've made so many friends in that world, uh,

1:06:17

that I otherwise never would have met if I had

1:06:19

not just started hopping on flights going there and knowing

1:06:21

nobody. Uh. And

1:06:24

I just think that's that's the manifesting we're

1:06:26

talking about.

1:06:26

Straight up, exhausted, beat,

1:06:29

probably a little scared.

1:06:30

How in the fuck am I the what am I doing?

1:06:32

Like?

1:06:33

Yeah, country singer?

1:06:34

Really yeah, Like dude, I'm just that's who you

1:06:36

are, though, Man, that's your determination, that's your fierceness.

1:06:38

Nice, a lot of fierceness. Jewelry

1:06:41

line with your wife. Yeah, how

1:06:43

did that come about? Stuff is beautiful?

1:06:46

Talk about the cause, talk about the background

1:06:48

on it, please. Yeah.

1:06:49

So there is what it's called online,

1:06:51

it's ww dot. There is hours

1:06:54

dot com. There is

1:06:56

that name for the jewelry company. Came

1:06:59

from the idea that what

1:07:01

was somebody else's is mine now and it will be

1:07:03

somebody else's after. So what's

1:07:06

ours today is there is tomorrow. And

1:07:10

realistically, we did so much

1:07:12

research and realize, like, dude, why are

1:07:14

we mining for gold for retail Jalie, This

1:07:16

is stupid. We don't need to be doing this anymore.

1:07:18

There's enough gold in the world and

1:07:21

in circulation to never need

1:07:23

to do that again. So what

1:07:25

we do is we take your

1:07:28

computer ships from old computers

1:07:31

and phones and all these things that are

1:07:33

four hundred times more dense than

1:07:36

gold or so those gold chips in your phones

1:07:38

are four hundred times more dense than gold or wow,

1:07:41

those are melted down

1:07:44

through a manufacturer. We don't

1:07:47

actually personally melt it down. They're melted down. And

1:07:49

with our certified manufacturer,

1:07:52

we send them cads, they make

1:07:55

the pieces, and we sell them. And

1:07:58

the goal long

1:08:00

term is to do this with a lot more

1:08:02

things. But right now, jewelry

1:08:05

made the most sense to start with. And Lauren

1:08:07

is such an insanely talented designer,

1:08:11

you know, she worked at a jewelry company before that. And we

1:08:14

bootstrap this with their own capital and have since gotten

1:08:16

incredible investors involved

1:08:19

who really believe in the vision and what this is about.

1:08:23

And uh, you know, electronic

1:08:25

waste is spring it three times the right of the human population.

1:08:28

We we need

1:08:30

this to be the new normal, but I think

1:08:32

honestly people want this to be. We

1:08:34

don't need we don't need to just be digging

1:08:36

shit out of the ground that we can where

1:08:39

it already exists here. Either, the biggest gold

1:08:41

mines are in our pockets and in our computers, you know what.

1:08:43

We realize that powerful. So that's

1:08:45

just done.

1:08:45

We just repurposed the stuff that's already been that's

1:08:47

already there, and it's

1:08:49

still obviously one hundred percent gold. We have one

1:08:51

hundred percent solid gold. It's just all recycled. And

1:08:55

we had a great meeting at Goop the other day and

1:08:58

their buyer came to her pop up and they want puts

1:09:00

in stores. We had a really nice meeting with one

1:09:03

of the other editors from El magazine came

1:09:05

by and it was really fascinatd by what we're doing.

1:09:08

And the business itself is doing really

1:09:10

well, like we you know, we doubled

1:09:12

our sales since last year

1:09:14

and we're looking at the year

1:09:16

after. So again infancy

1:09:19

of the company. It's very small, and Lauren

1:09:23

is working her damn ass off and I'm so

1:09:25

proud of her. The other beauty of this

1:09:27

is that we're very

1:09:31

blessed that this

1:09:33

company doesn't require her to be in one place.

1:09:35

So that also means that if I have to go away

1:09:37

for three and a half months, we bring the family and

1:09:40

Lauren can do all the work from there.

1:09:41

Wonderful man, probably you guys.

1:09:43

Yeah, So it's been it's been really special and

1:09:45

I'm really proud of it. And I've been doing

1:09:47

my best to just pump it out and you know,

1:09:51

we're doing a bunch of photo shoots here this

1:09:53

week, and and but

1:09:56

I said that, listen, at the end of the day, like I

1:09:58

want to get to a place and we are. We are in a lot of aspects

1:10:01

where like who

1:10:03

cares if we don't make the most

1:10:05

margins? Who cares?

1:10:08

You're making it right, Like we're making a difference. And

1:10:10

of course we want this to be a successful company.

1:10:12

Of course we want it to grow, duh.

1:10:15

But at the same time, like I don't want to

1:10:17

compromise our initial values,

1:10:19

which is like why do we start this in the first place,

1:10:22

to make to make the world a better

1:10:24

place in one small

1:10:27

sector, and then we can grow from there.

1:10:29

Okay, buddy, we're

1:10:33

coming to a conclusion. Final

1:10:35

thoughts ideas on what do

1:10:37

you want to say to everybody.

1:10:39

This I just I'm

1:10:41

so blessed in honor that you would that you

1:10:43

would consider me to come do this with you,

1:10:45

And I'm such a I

1:10:49

just think that you have helped

1:10:51

so many people in

1:10:53

your life and including

1:10:56

me, and it means everything.

1:10:59

And what

1:11:01

I think is the most admirable out of everything

1:11:03

is that you help people. And it's

1:11:06

not for any other reason, but helping people, and

1:11:10

I think everybody, including myself, can

1:11:12

do that. It only has to be one person.

1:11:15

You know you can you help somebody about just being kind on the street,

1:11:17

or you know me somebody, And I'm

1:11:20

so blessed to know you, and I'm so honored to be here,

1:11:22

and I'm so proud

1:11:25

to be sober. It's the thing I'm most proud

1:11:27

of in my life. And I want anybody

1:11:30

struggling with addiction or

1:11:32

depression or anything, I want them to feel

1:11:35

the way that I feel today and know

1:11:38

that I'm no better or any or

1:11:40

different. In fact, I'd be willing

1:11:42

to put my money on the fact

1:11:44

that I've probably done a lot of worship

1:11:47

than a lot of people too. But

1:11:50

through consistency and

1:11:52

just starting, I

1:11:55

promise you'll look back and go, holy shit, I'm

1:11:58

so grateful that I took the first.

1:12:00

That amen, buddy.

1:12:01

Well, thank you, buddy for your trust

1:12:04

and your faith in me and

1:12:06

taking the playbook and went in a few

1:12:08

super Bowls.

1:12:10

Is the fucking best, You too, dude, godspeed,

1:12:12

brother, you too. All right, man, man, all right,

1:12:14

thank you man.

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