Van Lathan on Diddy in Jail, Deion Sanders Year 2, and LSU Football

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a hater. It is that time of week

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us for the second time. He is the

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co-host of Higher Learning at the Ranger. He's

1:02

still wearing that damn hat. Van Lathan, what's

1:04

going on? The

1:06

hat is attached to my head, Bo. It's never coming

1:08

off. What's

1:11

so funny about it is, I think you said somebody

1:13

from Texas gave you the hat, but then I remember

1:15

you from Baton Rouge. And so anything is really on

1:17

the table here. Yeah,

1:20

yeah, yeah. I got the hat in Austin

1:22

when I was going down there to do some work, but it's

1:25

a part of me, bro. It's part of who I am. It's part of

1:27

our heritage. We're taking it back. Yo,

1:29

I want to throw something at you right fast.

1:31

We're going to get to a few things. This

1:33

camera shot, I don't think you can see the

1:35

LSU helmet behind Van. So I definitely want to

1:37

talk to him about what it's like to have

1:39

a team where nobody likes the head coach. They

1:41

just literally do not like the man. I

1:44

want to read something to you that I don't know

1:46

if you happen to see. This

1:49

says, Scoop, unlikely

1:51

roommates, Sean and Diddy

1:53

Combs and Sam Bankman Fried now

1:55

sharing a common space in the

1:58

Brooklyn Detention Center, according to. And

2:00

for those people who don't know who Sam

2:02

Bankman Freed is, he's the, the TA, the,

2:04

what was it? THX, the THC? It

2:07

was called FTX. There we go. Almost

2:10

called the THC, which would have been the

2:12

most old man thing I possibly could have

2:14

done. But anyway, buddy, that ran that crypto

2:16

scam and how happy were both he and

2:18

Diddy to see, Oh, you're my roommate. Oh,

2:21

okay. I thought this could

2:23

have been a lot worse. That

2:26

went about as well for

2:28

Puff as it could have gone. Really,

2:32

they are kind of birds of

2:34

a feather. Two guys that were

2:36

riding high on the back of

2:38

all of this criminality and all

2:40

of this impropriety. And

2:42

all of a sudden they

2:44

are together, man. Like, like that's

2:46

a sitcom. That's a jail sitcom.

2:48

That's like perfect strangers inside a

2:51

prison. And Sam was probably the

2:53

most notorious guy at Rikers

2:56

before Puff got there. Yeah, but I also think

2:58

Sam need to be very careful about what Puff

3:00

sees when he sees him. I've told people about

3:02

this before. I think I've done it on this

3:04

show. One time when I lived in Miami, I

3:06

was walking through the Fontainebleau. This dude came up

3:08

to me. He was some famous musician, his right

3:11

hand man or whatever. He was like, Oh, Bobodino,

3:13

he seen me on TV. He was like, yo,

3:15

we party with Puff tonight. I'm like, okay, that

3:17

seemed like, you know, like I'd heard about the

3:19

parties. They sound like they was cracking. They sound

3:21

like the sort of thing I want to check

3:23

out. But they got started too late, right? Like

3:25

I woke up at like seven o'clock in the

3:27

morning the next day or eight. And I was

3:29

like, man, my bad dog. I didn't, you know,

3:32

I fell asleep. He was like, yeah, we still

3:34

going. I'm like, Oh no, I definitely didn't need

3:36

to be party with y'all. But at the same

3:38

time, the reason that

3:40

I would have wanted to go to

3:42

the party would have been for purposes of

3:44

this discussion, see what the entertainers

3:47

was hitting on, you know, or what the entertainment

3:49

was hitting on. But what if, what if I

3:52

was the entertainment? Like what if I

3:54

walked in there and they was like,

3:56

yo, we want to introduce you to

3:58

somebody and who's sitting right there, but

4:00

Cuba Gooden Jr. You know what I'm

4:02

saying? Sam need to make sure that

4:04

he that he need to make sure

4:06

that Diddle understands that he is not

4:08

entertainment. Look,

4:12

Sam might have to cut his losses

4:14

in that respect, you know, that might

4:16

be the best you could do. You

4:19

just said give up already. That

4:21

might be the best you could do, Sam,

4:24

because before before he got there, some

4:26

other people was, you know, Sam, maybe

4:29

there'll be some at least he'll use some baby oil. So

4:33

Sam might have to just, you

4:35

know, Sam might just have to

4:37

cut his losses in that situation right there. The two

4:39

guys had never thought they would be in that situation.

4:41

But man, it's excess, it's

4:43

greed, and it's thinking that the

4:46

other shoe is never going to drop. Kind

4:48

of if you follow the FTX thing and

4:50

knew what Sam was up to, he was doing

4:52

a lot of the same things in a

4:54

different world, trying to get next

4:56

to power people, curry their favor. And

4:59

there was some freakiness that was going on with all

5:02

of the FTX people and some of the stuff that

5:04

was going on in them islands and stuff like that.

5:06

So he probably was like, oh,

5:08

my God, Diddy, at least it'll be

5:10

gentle, but it probably won't be. Yo,

5:13

I just can't imagine what it's like

5:15

to go to actual

5:17

factual jail after

5:19

the lives. These cats have been living like,

5:21

you know what it's like when you stay at a

5:24

hotel that is no longer that is not up to

5:26

what your standards of living have become. Because I explained

5:28

this to everybody. I remember when

5:30

I was younger and I used to go to like

5:32

the Hampton Inn and I couldn't understand how it is

5:34

that anybody got to a point where they was too

5:37

good for that Hampton Inn. That didn't make no sense.

5:39

The Hampton Inn was a perfectly serviceable establishment. It did

5:41

the job. But what winds up happening

5:43

is as your own house gets nicer, you

5:45

don't want to stay at a house that's not

5:47

as nice as your own, especially when you

5:49

basically pay in a month's rent to have to

5:52

stay there for four or five days. Right.

5:55

Your standard elevates. Now this

5:57

dude is checking in to the 25 light. And

6:01

I assure you the mattress that he

6:03

has at his house is much nicer

6:05

than the mattress. He will be sleeping

6:07

at all right now. My therapist

6:09

calls it the first class conundrum. My

6:12

therapist was like, listen, there's stuff that

6:14

happens in your life, right? He was

6:16

like, I remember when

6:18

I first went to one of these fancy

6:20

lounges on Emirates or whatever. And

6:23

you realize that the experience that you

6:25

have when things are a step up

6:27

is not just cosmetic. It's

6:30

not just something that you're doing to say

6:32

that you're doing it, that the leg room

6:34

is better, the service is better, you sleep

6:36

better, you get to where you're going better,

6:40

and then you can never go back. And

6:42

he's like, life is about

6:44

choosing the things that

6:47

when you get to the next point that you can never go back. Not

6:50

everything can be that, but there have to be a couple

6:52

things in your life where you get to this one spot

6:55

and you go, okay, this is the new

6:57

standard, I'm never going back. To

7:00

go from houses in Miami and

7:02

LA and you're on Star Island,

7:04

you're doing all this, you're in

7:06

the islands to literally three hots

7:09

and a cot, and you got

7:11

the homies representing

7:13

the blue and the red flags and they

7:15

there too. You

7:17

have moved away from those people. It's got to be

7:19

impossible. Van, you forgot about

7:22

the Nazis. Yeah,

7:24

yeah, Schillinger. Right, you forgot about the

7:26

Nazis. We

7:28

got our amigos from various

7:30

countries and whatever it is

7:32

they got going on. I

7:34

imagine, with them boys, the

7:36

Jun Tao and them, right?

7:39

They like everywhere you

7:41

look, right? And

7:44

not everybody likes your songs, you

7:46

know what I mean? Right, exactly. There's somebody in there

7:48

that thinks you ruined hip-hop. There's

7:51

somebody in there that thinks you ruined hip-hop. There's

7:53

somebody in there that knows you still got it.

7:56

So right away, you're a piggy bank. You

8:00

still got it. I mean, he's not gonna have it for

8:02

long because the people

8:04

that are most happy about this, besides

8:06

the victims of this that are

8:08

now gonna get justice for

8:11

all of these crimes that, if terrible crimes

8:14

have been committed against them, are Puff's lawyers.

8:16

Because they are going to be able

8:19

to slowly drain him for the amount

8:21

of time that he is going through

8:23

this. But that's not gonna be

8:25

the only place that the drainage occurs. Kookie,

8:29

Big Rob, Steve from

8:31

113th. All

8:33

of these guys, in order for him

8:35

to carry that favor, they

8:37

gonna be able to come up. A

8:39

lot of people was happy to see Diddy coming right there.

8:41

Oh yeah. Oh yeah, let me tell

8:43

you this too. You mentioned the three hots in

8:45

a cot. We said three hots in a cot.

8:47

We didn't say three goods and some wood. Can

8:49

you imagine what that first spoonful is

8:51

gonna be like for Diddy? How many days is

8:54

it gonna be before he finally just gets so

8:56

hungry that he just gotta go ahead and eat

8:58

what they giving him? I don't know. See,

9:00

this is the thing I always wonder, right? Cause

9:03

you remember Goodfellas when they

9:05

was inside and they was in there cooking

9:07

steaks? Johnny Cash made the base steak and

9:09

he just sizzled up the joints in the

9:11

hacks and go crazy. Or

9:13

in The Wire when,

9:16

you know, Avon was in jail and he was

9:18

in there playing PlayStation

9:20

and eating KFC? Yes.

9:24

Will Puff have the KFC hookup? Will

9:27

there be somebody that can get the

9:30

KFC and the stuff? How does

9:32

that work? You should have somebody

9:34

on here to talk about that. Is

9:36

there, will there be KFC

9:39

contraband or Popeye's contraband going

9:42

in there to this guy who's

9:44

accused of all of these disgusting,

9:47

terrible, heinous things, someone whose time

9:49

is up. Will he be able

9:51

to game the system in that way? Or

9:53

has time run out on him living the high

9:55

life? Well, you know, that is a good question.

9:57

This is the point that immediately jumps to my

9:59

mind. and you tell me if I'm wrong

10:01

here, because I may be going too far,

10:03

right? But them dudes in Goodfellas and Avon

10:06

Barksdale, they some gangsters. Diddle

10:10

is simply an alleged criminal. Yeah.

10:13

Did you see when Prime Minister Shine

10:16

got up there and was talking about

10:18

Diddle down there in Belize? Yeah,

10:21

I saw that. So

10:23

here's something I think with Prime Minister Shine

10:25

that we, you know, I think it really

10:27

matters to us, because he in a different

10:29

country, but I feel like we haven't like

10:31

adequately researched his views, shall we say? And

10:34

let's just say that if he was

10:36

kicking it in the America, like he

10:38

kicks it in Belize, somebody might call

10:40

him, shall we say, cartoon.

10:44

You know what I mean? Like he

10:46

is, he's about keeping people in

10:49

jail longer. He

10:51

endorsed Mitt Romney in 2012,

10:54

and his rationale for endorsing Mitt Romney

10:56

in 2012 was that

10:59

Obama did not get him out of

11:01

jail, because we all know that Mitt

11:03

Romney was going to get your black

11:05

ass out of jail. Yeah, he was

11:07

going to do that. Also, while Shine

11:09

was in jail, he did the opposite

11:11

of what most people do. He changed

11:13

his name away from Jamal rather than

11:15

to Jamal. Yeah,

11:18

that's crazy. That's fun. Shine,

11:22

we don't, you know, we don't really believe

11:24

you, Shine. Shine,

11:26

we know that everyone

11:28

left, but let's talk

11:30

about what really happened. What really happened was

11:32

that Shine was the guy in the crew

11:34

that was supposed to bus his gun for

11:36

the other guy. Yes. And we

11:38

all know that guy in the crew that's supposed to do

11:40

that, right? We've seen the gun bussers and who they are.

11:43

Shine was happy. He was with Bad

11:45

Boy. He was with Jennifer Lopez. Puff

11:48

called some drama. Shine bus his gun.

11:50

There are a lot of people now,

11:53

and there's no defending anything that Puff has

11:56

done over the course of his career. And

11:58

there are a lot of different ways. that

12:00

he went, ran afoul of people,

12:02

right? Some of them are straight up business

12:04

ways. Some of them are these ridiculously disturbing

12:07

allegations that are against him.

12:11

But then there is a part

12:13

of this to where there are a whole bunch

12:15

of people that wanted to opt into that lifestyle,

12:18

that wanted to opt into the aura of bad

12:20

boy, and they would have done anything to be

12:22

a part of that. And I think there are

12:24

some people that need to take responsibility for what

12:27

they wanted to be, which is next to him.

12:30

And Shine is one of those

12:32

people that had

12:34

an image. Like, remember, even after

12:36

he was in jail, remember they interviewed

12:38

Shine on MTV, and he was

12:40

talking about how he could record in prison whenever he

12:42

wanted, and he could do all this whenever he wanted.

12:45

He went through whatever he did as a younger man,

12:47

and he turned away from his

12:49

father's political standing in their home country, and

12:51

he wanted to be a thug. The thug

12:53

life didn't work out. He got hit with

12:55

a couple of years. Now he's a politician.

12:58

But it's not all anybody's fault that

13:00

Shine took a trip to Wayward

13:02

Land. He had made some life

13:04

decisions that were not aligning

13:06

with where he was and who he was from.

13:08

We didn't even know that about Shine, that his

13:10

daddy was like the president of the believe. I

13:13

said, no, nobody. I was like, why? He was

13:15

like, who want to bubble those? I thought he

13:17

was a gangster. He said he was

13:19

an apple before he snitched. Well,

13:22

the thing was, apparently, his mother and his

13:25

father, when I married, when he was born,

13:28

so there was some

13:30

stuff there, and then he wound up going back.

13:32

And I also don't think, and we

13:34

could actually go through and throw it in here. We could

13:36

throw a few seconds in his interview with Shine in here.

13:38

Let's just throw it in right here. When

13:41

I was an 18-year-old kid,

13:44

just wanting to do nothing

13:47

other than make my mother proud and make

13:50

beliefs proud and do

13:52

what all of us want to do,

13:54

be recognized for our talent, and take

13:56

over the world, I

13:59

was defending him. and he

14:01

turned around and called

14:03

witnesses to testify against

14:06

me. And he contributed,

14:08

he pretty much sent me to prison. Hey

14:10

man, Sha' I didn't talk like this when

14:12

he was in America. Like I imagine he'd

14:14

been in Belize for a long time, but

14:16

he definitely took on the accent of the

14:18

locals. Like he does not sound

14:20

like Biggie no more. Yeah,

14:22

he just, actually I'm sorta

14:25

proud of him. He just

14:28

became the same type of phony

14:30

politician type that everybody else did, but

14:33

no, he'll live longer doing it that

14:35

way than on the track he was

14:37

before. He might still end up in

14:39

jail cause those politicians go

14:41

to jail as much as the rappers of the

14:43

drug. He might still up in jail, but this

14:46

will probably be better for him in the long

14:48

run, long term. Yeah, I see it.

14:50

We just ran out of talking about a diddle cause I

14:52

happened to see this thing pop up. The thing I wanted

14:54

to talk to you about, and I think we can get

14:56

here, we'll just see where it goes. Cause you and I

14:58

talked about this last season. I actually think it's a very

15:01

interesting point now. We've texted a little bit about this season,

15:03

but not that much, but that is year

15:05

two of the D.I.

15:07

Sanders experience. They

15:09

are three and one. It is a little bit of

15:11

a shaky three and one, but it's three and one

15:13

nonetheless. I'm curious about this part. Before we

15:15

even get to the football, does the energy,

15:18

I mean, obviously the energy around it doesn't feel

15:20

the same as when they were on like the

15:22

cover of Sports Illustrated and stuff like that. But

15:24

do people still care about what's going on down

15:26

there with Colorado and Dion? Like I can't tell,

15:28

I haven't seen the TV numbers. It doesn't feel

15:30

the same, but I think you're a little more

15:32

connected with the people that was on it when

15:34

it first got popping. The people that care still

15:36

care. And I know

15:39

that sounds like a non-answer, but let me

15:41

tell you what I mean. No, no, I

15:43

get you. The real way that you know

15:45

that the heat behind something has evaporated is

15:48

when the people that cared didn't care anymore. I'm

15:50

not talking about everybody

15:53

else who had this cultural curiosity about

15:55

Colorado or college football or Dion Sanders

15:58

or any of that stuff. about that.

16:01

Those people probably weren't in it for the

16:03

long haul anyway. But the

16:05

people that last year decided that

16:07

they cared about Dion, those

16:09

people still seem to care. Because

16:12

if you have conversations and criticisms

16:15

around Colorado's program that are anything

16:17

less than glowing, those are the

16:19

people that you still hear from,

16:22

right? And look, what happened at

16:24

Baylor this past week, that

16:27

is part of college football. For everyone else

16:29

that wants to write that off as not

16:31

a legitimate win, in

16:33

college football, the way this game is played,

16:36

you sometimes get out of one

16:38

of those small towns, just having

16:41

made one more play than your

16:43

opponent. It happens. And there

16:45

was a lot of excitement for it. And

16:48

all of that, I will say the

16:50

periphery of everything, the

16:53

sports inner features from Boulder,

16:57

the who's who of this and all of

16:59

that, that has sort of changed. And it

17:01

will change because no one wants to be

17:03

connected to something that's anything

17:06

less than successful. Right.

17:08

I wonder what it'll take for it to

17:10

come back, right? Because there are three in

17:12

one and you're right about the Baylor game.

17:14

Sometimes it is just about making one more

17:16

play. Now there are two arguments to be

17:18

made here. One, Baylor stinks. But

17:21

the other- That's all time terrible loss. Yeah, yeah.

17:23

And yeah, and they're not generally good. Like that

17:25

was, that's the kind of, that's the kind of

17:27

game that gets coaches fired. And Aranda, in the

17:30

end, this may be a thing that gets them

17:32

fired. But I

17:34

think, and this is where I give Colorado credit this

17:37

year, they got destroyed by Nebraska.

17:39

That was full on embarrassing. And it's one

17:41

thing for them to lose games like that

17:43

in year one. It's another thing for them

17:45

to lose that in year two. And you

17:47

have a guy that people think might be

17:49

the best quarterback in America. You got to

17:51

do that. People think is the best player

17:53

in America, no matter what your depth is

17:55

hitting on, losing like that to a team

17:57

with a freshman quarterback. who's pretending to be

17:59

a black person while not pretending to be

18:01

black. It's a very interesting thing that Rayola's

18:03

got going there. He's threading the needle in

18:06

that, in a very particular way. But to

18:08

get smoke like that was all bad, but

18:10

I gave them credit cause they got back

18:12

up and that was the Colorado State Super

18:14

Bowl. And they went out there and they

18:16

handled them boys. And it's not the Colorado

18:18

State is great. That's not my point. They

18:20

came back after a loss against an opponent

18:22

that you know was locked in to beat

18:24

them and they handled business. And then they

18:26

stood tall in that Baylor game to win

18:28

in the end. Even last year, a lot

18:30

of those games where they were down early,

18:33

they never quit. They played four quarters of

18:35

football. Like that's why it gives them credit.

18:37

I also don't know if they're gonna win another game this year.

18:40

I really don't cause they're not good. I don't

18:42

know if they're gonna win another game. They probably shouldn't have

18:44

won the game that they just won. However,

18:46

players make plays and you have to make plays

18:49

to win games, like we said before. This is

18:51

what I'll say. The main thing about Colorado last

18:53

year wasn't necessarily

18:56

the win-loss record, right? Because they were so

18:58

terrible the year before, you can make an

19:00

argument that they took incremental steps forward last

19:02

year. The way that the team

19:06

played towards the end of the year where it

19:08

didn't seem like they ever really found an identity

19:11

and it didn't seem like they ever really improved.

19:13

There was nothing at the beginning of the year,

19:16

excuse me, nothing at the end of the year that they were

19:18

really doing better than they were at

19:20

the beginning of the year. You

19:22

can make an argument that a

19:25

team finding ways to win games is

19:27

counter to that. Like them winning against

19:29

Colorado State, them winning

19:32

the game that they won, that there's something to

19:34

build on. However, now,

19:37

what I would say is you're

19:39

right. They do play, they engage, they are

19:41

better second half team, they have

19:44

pride in what it is that they're doing.

19:46

They don't lay down. It just doesn't seem

19:48

like they're that well-constructed to the football team.

19:50

The next three weeks are

19:52

gonna really be crucial into

19:55

judging how the program

19:57

at Colorado will fair in the

19:59

future. Not very many people think

20:01

that there's a long term traffic Deon to be the

20:03

coach there, but three weeks, they're coming off of a

20:05

big win. They're coming off of how are

20:08

they going to play? Are they going

20:10

to play with the team that has some kind of continuity,

20:12

that has some kind of pride, that has some sort of

20:14

identity, or are you going to

20:16

get some retreads of the Nebraska game?

20:18

You won't be able to judge them throughout

20:21

the entire... It's almost like it's so weird,

20:23

Romani. It's like you kind

20:25

of got to judge them on vibes. It's

20:28

like, how does it feel? You know what

20:30

I mean? Because they're

20:32

such a weirdly constructed team that

20:35

they're going to lose to people they shouldn't lose

20:37

to, and then they're going to beat people or

20:39

be competitive in ways that they shouldn't be competitive.

20:41

They literally have four or five good players total.

20:44

So you almost have to judge them on

20:46

how things are feeling and whether

20:48

or not that's going to be re-creatable in the

20:51

long term in terms of Deon Sanders' career there.

20:53

I'm kind of okay with vibes being

20:55

the standard for a program like Colorado,

20:58

right? Hear me out on this. I

21:00

contend there's what, 135 FBS programs at this point. There

21:06

is literally one that plays for

21:08

a national championship every year. That's

21:11

Alabama. They're the only ones where if

21:13

it's not a national championship, it's a

21:15

problem. Everybody else, when they got a

21:17

chance... You've got all these Georges in there now. Well, they're kind

21:19

of there, right? Because they had a run, but generally

21:22

speaking, for everybody else, if you were like,

21:24

hey, guys, I think we might have a

21:26

chance at a national championship, that's good enough,

21:28

right? The feeling that you might have a

21:30

chance at Alabama is, so we're going to

21:32

win a national championship this year or not,

21:34

right? That's what the case has been there

21:36

for 60-something years. Everybody else

21:38

has their own little different standards of what

21:41

is good, what's not good. Like I always,

21:43

I like to break it down by wins,

21:45

right? Some schools are non-win schools. Some schools

21:47

are eight-win schools. Some schools are seven-win schools,

21:49

right? Like U-Roo for LSU, which is kind

21:52

of a nine-win school that has a ceiling

21:54

of being a 13-win school, but

21:56

could also give you a six-seven depending on

21:58

how it goes, right? Colorado

22:00

outside of that little time period where they

22:03

were like, yo, we hear that you live

22:05

a hardscrabble life in Los Angeles and need

22:07

to get far away from home. How'd you

22:09

like to come to Colorado? And it was

22:11

winning national championships, right? Hey, man,

22:15

if the vibes are good, if you're happy

22:17

with what's going on, if it's a little

22:19

bit exciting, if you guys win six,

22:21

seven, eight games a year to me for

22:23

Colorado, if you keep your expectations

22:25

in check, that's a win. Like,

22:28

I don't know how they felt in the end

22:30

about last season, but I mean, it sounds like

22:32

that was a fun season to be around. And

22:34

as long as Deion don't come out here acting

22:36

like a jerk, then everything's cool because

22:39

he definitely started the season in jerk mode with

22:41

the way he was dealing with reporters and everything

22:43

else. But it's Colorado, baby. It's all about vibes,

22:45

man. They just try to get out here, smoke

22:47

a little weed, be in the altitude. Have a

22:49

good time. The thing with LSU

22:51

or another team like that is

22:53

that you have that nine, ten win expectation.

22:56

But then every three years you

22:59

get a feast. Every

23:01

three or four years, you get a feast. And

23:03

when we feast at LSU, we feast. We feast

23:06

like 2011. We feast like

23:08

2003. We feast like 2007. We

23:10

feast like 2019. And everybody

23:13

is still full off that feast for like

23:15

three or four years. Right.

23:18

Three or four years up and down. We can

23:20

remember I can still turn on 2019 LSU

23:22

and get the warm and fuzzies and know I

23:24

was there when we were unbeatable.

23:26

And it's not that far, not

23:29

that long ago. Right. The thing is,

23:32

will Deon and Colorado ever be

23:34

able to feel the bellies of

23:37

the fan base? Like,

23:40

I don't think with as much attention

23:43

as is on him and with

23:45

the rhetoric and the bluster that

23:47

they're going to give full off six or

23:50

seven wins because then it'll feel

23:52

like it's just all dessert. Like,

23:54

I don't think that's going to I think

23:57

if Deon would add it a different way,

23:59

if he was. as a Dave

24:01

Aranda type coach, you could deal

24:03

with eight wins and then every three years playing for

24:05

the big 12 or whatever. But

24:08

with him, he wants

24:10

to do things in such a big way. Like

24:13

it looks weird to have little Wayne performing for a

24:15

seven win team. You know,

24:17

it looks weird to have the rock

24:19

on the sidelines for a team that's

24:21

really not a player and doesn't play

24:23

for championships and is not in there.

24:26

He'd have to tone it down for that

24:28

to be palatable to the people

24:30

there and the national news media. And

24:32

I don't think he's capable of that.

24:34

So the question is, how

24:37

good of a coach can he be? And

24:40

the returns aren't good, but we still kind

24:42

of don't know because in order

24:44

for him to live up to what he's

24:46

put out there, he's gonna have

24:48

to have them playing for conference championships at the very

24:50

least. Yeah, and I think part of it

24:53

is, I talked about this on the show

24:55

before, but I think it's a very important thing. A

24:57

big part of coaching is

24:59

keeping spirits up when things don't go well.

25:01

Like that's a very, very important part of

25:03

this. Like when you're not having a great

25:05

season, being able to keep people's eyes on,

25:07

nah, it's cool, we're building, we're gonna get

25:09

to this other thing. Or like, no, this

25:11

is beneath the standard. I understand what it

25:13

is that you're saying, but you know, you

25:16

gotta keep people going when it's down to

25:18

buy yourself the patience that it takes to

25:20

build the thing back up. Because hey, Shador's

25:22

probably not gonna be there next season, Travis

25:24

Hunter is probably not gonna be there next

25:26

season. There ain't no other Shador Sanders on

25:29

this team. There is not another Travis Hunter

25:31

on there. And you're not gonna find those

25:33

guys in the transfer portal because guys like

25:35

that, when they transfer, they transfer to where

25:37

Travis Hunter's gonna transfer to next year, the

25:39

NFL, right? You're gonna have to get on

25:41

your high school recruiting horse, and you're gonna

25:43

have to go get one of those guys.

25:45

And if you get those dudes, it's cool.

25:48

But if you don't get those dudes, oh

25:50

boy. Like next year I think is the one that's

25:52

going to be the test because from what I can

25:54

tell, they're just not gonna have the star power. They,

25:57

there's a kid that they just flipped a

25:59

little cyclical. that they flipped from, I can't remember

26:01

maybe Florida or one of those other schools, Texas

26:04

or something like that. He's gonna need

26:06

a lot of those. This is what I would say, you

26:08

know, when you look at

26:10

coaches that build staffs, when

26:13

you're a fan of the team, you

26:15

celebrate every hire. You don't just celebrate

26:17

the recruits that you get in, right?

26:20

Oh, we got this GM back from Ole Miss.

26:23

We got this recruiting coordinator back from this

26:25

person. We got this analyst. We

26:27

got this, like the

26:30

tendrils, the small

26:32

parts, the little muscles of a very

26:34

successful college football program, all of those

26:37

things have to work for you to

26:39

get success at the top. And

26:42

the question is, are those people in place?

26:44

That's always the thing. Like

26:46

how are things running there? Because the

26:48

uniforms are crazy. They look great, right?

26:50

Travis Hunter is spectacular, but who's in

26:53

the back office? Who's in the front

26:55

office? Who's doing the work right now

26:57

for high school recruits now? They don't

26:59

come from a fertile recruiting ground in

27:02

Colorado. Who's doing the work in LA?

27:04

Who's doing the work in Texas? Who's

27:06

doing the work in Louisiana and Florida?

27:08

Who's doing the work in the areas

27:10

that people love and know Deion Sanders?

27:12

Are there people there that are smart

27:14

enough to say, he played in Texas,

27:17

he's from Florida. These are all the

27:19

places that he might resonate with people.

27:21

Right? Let's go to some of these

27:23

places and establish recruiting. Who recruits Texas for you?

27:26

All of that stuff. Like does that

27:28

exist there? Do they know how to build it?

27:30

And a lot of times with that, it

27:32

takes a while for a coach to do that.

27:34

But normally when a coach is figuring it out,

27:37

Mike Norvell lost for like three years at Florida

27:39

State. But there was a

27:41

faith in Mike Norvell and a patience with Mike

27:43

Norvell because he had done

27:45

it at Memphis and people felt like organizationally,

27:47

he's not doing it right now, that organizationally

27:50

he will be able to do it again. Deion

27:53

brings so many eyes with him

27:55

that the expectations get so crazy

27:57

at the beginning that it actually

27:59

works. against them because he doesn't

28:01

have the opportunity to really put

28:03

his head down and just work

28:05

on the low without everyone

28:07

paying attention to everything that they do on the

28:10

field. And he needs some time just to build

28:12

if he knows how to do it. And

28:14

he needs his Frank Wilson, right? He needs

28:17

his Ed Ozeran. He needs his Rodney Garner.

28:19

For those who don't know these names I'm

28:21

throwing out here, is the dude that gets

28:23

dudes. There's a

28:26

whole wing of these cats.

28:28

Is the dude, what do you do? I

28:30

get players. How do you do it?

28:32

I get players. Yeah, yeah. You're

28:35

wondering Leonard Fornett who could have gone to

28:37

any school in the galaxy, you wonder

28:39

why he ends up at LSU is

28:42

Frank Wilson. You wonder why LSU becomes

28:44

DBU, that's Corey Raymond. You

28:46

look at all of these guys, you know, Bo

28:48

Davis and all of these different guys, you look

28:50

at these guys, these guys, these are the guys

28:52

who you don't see like

28:55

at the press conference and stuff, but they're making

28:57

$1.52 million a year for

28:59

doing what it is that they do. Those

29:02

are the guys that really build programs. Some of

29:04

them will go on to become head coaches. Some

29:06

of them won't. Some of them, they'll be hall

29:08

of famers in college football where

29:10

they are doing what they're doing right now.

29:12

And so it remains to

29:15

be seen whether or not he, I mean, really he had

29:17

a couple of those guys last year and they're gone now,

29:19

but it remains to be seen whether or not that's gonna happen

29:21

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right, Van with the funny hat. I have a question

34:11

for you. I was watching Monday

34:14

night, the

34:16

commandos and the bangles and

34:19

Jake Daniels look like that dude.

34:21

Malik neighbors look like that dude over the

34:23

weekend. And I'm just curious, why LSU lose

34:25

so many gangs last year? We

34:29

had no defense, bro. No,

34:31

I need to ask you this though about the

34:33

LSU experience because you guys are in a fascinating

34:35

place, which is you guys have a

34:37

not good coach. You have a great coach. You

34:39

have a coach that I think is ultimately going

34:41

to be in the hall of fame. You have

34:43

a coach that nobody likes. No one ever likes

34:45

him. Like, is this an enjoyable LSU experience? Cause

34:47

Ojiraan and Les say what you want about both

34:49

of them. They was a little goofy. They was

34:51

a little kooky, but they was fun. Brian Kelly

34:53

is the opposite. It's interesting. So

34:58

there are definitely things about Brian

35:00

Kelly. He's like a cousin, right?

35:04

A cousin that you realize some

35:06

of the things that people say about him are true, but

35:09

you're like, he and the family. You're

35:12

now, you

35:15

know, you got a cousin, you love your cousin.

35:17

People say things about your cousin. It

35:20

like he'll steal from you. He had

35:22

done this. He'll do that. You just

35:24

said Brian Kelly smokes rocks. Yeah,

35:27

he smoked the whole nine, but he your cousin

35:29

though. You know, people say that Brian

35:31

Kelly sometimes doesn't have a team prepared to play in

35:33

the first quarter, first half of a game. That's definitely

35:36

true. People say that

35:38

Brian Kelly can come off as unlikable

35:41

and unrelatable. That's definitely, definitely

35:43

true. I watch every

35:45

press conference. I'm rooting for BK.

35:48

I'm believing in BK. The

35:50

purple and gold family is more important

35:53

than anything that anybody says from the

35:55

outside. I'm not going to say they lying,

35:58

but it don't matter. He family now. until

36:00

the wheels fall off. I

36:03

still say the most amazing thing about Brian Kelly is

36:05

Brian Kelly left Notre Dame for LSU and you know

36:08

how many assistants he brought with him? I know you

36:10

don't. Tell the people how many assistants Brian Kelly brought

36:12

with him from Notre Dame. One

36:15

he had polio. Zero, zero. He didn't

36:17

bring a single. He didn't come from Notre Dame, polio didn't

36:19

come with him. One

36:22

person came with him, which means either he

36:25

didn't ask any of them to come or

36:27

none of them, none of

36:29

them were willing to go. Nah, there were

36:31

there were guys definitely there was Marcus Freeman,

36:33

there was Tommy Rees, there was there was

36:35

definitely. He did ask Tommy Rees, none of

36:38

them came. Yeah, like Tommy Rees stayed with

36:40

Marcus up there. None of them

36:42

wanted to go work with Brian Kelly. That's

36:44

the most damning thing I've ever heard. And

36:47

you know what the funny thing about that was in Baton

36:50

Rouge, we were asking, yo, do they just not want

36:52

to move to Baton Rouge? Is it us? Which

36:57

we were like, yeah, when you go on the message board,

36:59

you was like, is Baton Rouge too shitty of a place

37:01

for these people to want to come live and coach there?

37:03

Like they just don't want to live in the south. Is

37:05

it us? But, you know,

37:07

he had guys that he had

37:09

had prior relationships with, Polian, Mike

37:11

Dembrok, guys like that, that came.

37:13

But nobody that was on staff at

37:15

Notre Dame then came down. You

37:18

know, look, it is what it is. I think

37:20

he has a great staff there now. He

37:23

has a great staff that's made

37:25

up of guys that had close ties

37:27

to LSU prior to his time being

37:29

there. So I think he

37:31

has a great staff now. We'll have to see how it goes. Last

37:33

year, if LSU just has a top 50

37:36

defense, we're in the playoff. But I'll say this

37:38

to everyone that you

37:40

have to look at where LSU was when he came there.

37:43

We were playing in the Texas Bowl

37:45

against Kansas State and we

37:47

have 39 guys shooting up. We

37:49

have a wide receiver. Shout

37:52

out to him, by the way, John Tae,

37:54

who's playing quarterback for us. You

37:56

know, Ed Ozeron has gone. He's tried

37:58

to have sex with everyone. Baton Rouge

38:01

and we are rebuilding from

38:03

nothing. The year after that, to

38:06

win the SEC West, the year

38:08

after that, to have a Heisman Trophy

38:10

quarterback, despite the fact that we still don't have

38:12

a full team, we still have a faulty defense.

38:14

We're trying to replenish everything. I

38:17

think the job that he's done has been spectacular. The

38:19

question for him will be whether

38:22

or not his rebuild job can

38:26

outlast the expectations of the fan base,

38:28

because he's running a marathon and we

38:30

only have short-term memories

38:32

and forecasts in Baton Rouge. Something about

38:35

the Ozeron era that is the end

38:37

of Ozeron that I find to be

38:39

very interesting, I affirm the belief every

38:41

time somebody say that they

38:44

would love to just get bought out, like when you hear about somebody

38:46

getting fired and they get like $27 million or whatever, I

38:49

would love to get fired and get that money.

38:51

I know that sounds good in practice, but I

38:53

honestly think that for most people, that you derive

38:55

some identity from the work that you do. You've

38:57

got to find some way to kill the time,

38:59

all of that stuff. Because the truth is, outside

39:02

of going to work, everything else costs a whole

39:04

lot of money, even if you have a lot

39:07

of money. Most people would actually rather work for

39:09

that money than just have somebody give it to

39:11

them like that. That,

39:13

I do not believe, applies to Ed Ozeron,

39:15

even the slightest bit. Ed Ozeron took that

39:17

buyout, and he looks like he is having

39:20

the time of his life just going places.

39:22

He could take one of those little assistant

39:24

jobs or whatever, no sir, rebob. Ed just

39:26

out here like, oh, what I need to

39:28

work for, I don't need no job. Yeah,

39:31

that's a good Ozeron. Ed could actually probably

39:33

make one of those salaries I was talking

39:35

about, about going out and

39:37

recruiting. He is one of the most

39:39

effective recruiters in the history of college

39:42

football, Ed in Miami. Ed

39:46

in Miami. He don't have to worry about

39:48

messing up and trying to hit a booster's

39:50

wife in Miami. Ed got money. Ed

39:53

still think he look good, he be all over. He

39:55

is all over Baton Rouge with his shirt off. Ed

39:58

then had fun, and he accomplished something. that

40:00

a lot of coaches won't ever accomplish, which is to

40:02

put that type of team on the field with those

40:04

type of players. So, you

40:07

know, there is a part of the

40:09

reason why there's so much talent. Yes.

40:12

In Louisiana, yet we're

40:15

not perennially at the top. We're

40:17

not like the, we like

40:19

to have fun, Bomani. Like

40:21

what's the point of it if you can't get

40:23

drunk behind it? Like we like to have fun.

40:26

We like to get serious when it's

40:28

time to win. But Ed embodies that.

40:30

Look, I went out here and I done all of that.

40:32

And I give me two years to get out here and

40:34

get it. Yeah. And

40:36

we like to have a good time. But that's the

40:38

other thing for me about Ed that I like so

40:41

much about it in the end. What else was there

40:43

for Ed Ozeran to do at LSU? Ed

40:45

Ozeran, even if he checked all the boxes in

40:47

one year, Ed Ozeran has a claim. And I

40:49

don't know if I agree with this being the

40:51

case, but he has a legitimate claim to being

40:53

the head coach of the greatest college football team

40:55

of all time. I don't think it's called it

40:57

the greatest team of all time is tough for

41:00

me, but that is, I think the

41:02

greatest offense that college football has ever

41:04

had. That may in the end have

41:06

three legitimate pro football hall of famers when

41:08

it's all said and done. What

41:11

else I'm supposed to do here? It's the

41:13

greatest run of all time. Like you can't,

41:16

I mean, that Miami team, come on, man. You

41:18

know what I mean? You can't really,

41:20

like it's kind of stupid, bro, that that

41:22

actually happened. It's ridiculous.

41:25

I don't know if everybody just, they

41:27

took the recruiting off. They weren't going out to

41:29

get to, it's just nuts like how that could

41:31

possibly happen, right? But when you look

41:33

at LSU and what they beat, as

41:36

far as the top five teams that they played,

41:38

when you look at the margins, they beat, it's

41:40

definitely the greatest, most dominant run to beat that

41:43

type of competition of all time. Like nobody was

41:45

fucking with us at all. No one could touch

41:47

us. So I mean, the

41:49

only other thing for him to do would

41:51

have been that two or three times.

41:54

And that just takes an

41:56

organizational structure that I

41:58

don't think coach O was, I don't think he was

42:00

capable of that, right? And you have to hit

42:02

on some guys. Remember Justin Jefferson coming

42:05

in was a three star recruit. That's the two star recruit.

42:07

I thought it was a two. I

42:09

knew his brother was a much more highly

42:11

regarded recruit than he was. Well,

42:13

both of his brothers were, right? Oh, I didn't know there was another one.

42:15

And so, like, if he was coming in... Yeah,

42:18

yeah, yeah, it's Jordan and Ricky. Oh, I ain't

42:20

know about no Ricky, that's it. Yeah,

42:24

so both of those guys

42:26

coming in were bigger recruits.

42:29

And then he just blossoms and develops. And

42:32

when you were looking at it right then, you could tell. And

42:34

that Terrence Marshall got hurt that year. Like,

42:37

he barely played. So, you know, when you look

42:39

at some of those guys, Todd Edwards and Larry

42:41

broke out. Yeah, it was a serviceable back, a

42:43

good back for the time that he was at

42:46

LSU. But then that year, he broke out. It's

42:49

just sometimes a plan just comes

42:51

together with Joe Brady and with everything else. You know, the

42:53

freshman, Derek Stingley, and all of that stuff. Things

42:57

just came together, and that just doesn't happen every

42:59

single day. That's magic. You put that

43:01

in a bottle and you remember it forever. Hey, I'm

43:03

gonna be honest with you, man. I did not know

43:05

about the other Jefferson brother. And I'm gonna tell you

43:07

right now, Ricky Jefferson sounds like trouble. Like,

43:11

if I tell you I got a story about a dude named Ricky Jefferson,

43:14

you don't think that story involves college. No,

43:16

you don't. No, you don't. Or if it

43:19

involves college, it involves a ruckus in the

43:21

dorm. But see, that's... he got there. He's

43:24

got this LSU royalty, and then the

43:26

scheme and everything, they just blossom and

43:28

they develop them. And it

43:31

becomes... you know, the story was about

43:33

Chase that year, but Chase was your

43:35

deep threat. Like, Justin

43:39

was your, you know, we need

43:41

nine. Like, we need

43:43

nine. Go get us nine. Justin is the guy,

43:45

third and 17, on the

43:47

road in Austin, across the

43:49

middle, then house it. He was the guy that was

43:51

like, on the NFL level, what is he not going

43:54

to be able to do? And then he lives up

43:56

to it, you know? Yeah, no,

43:58

I gotta say, the fact that Jamar Chase

44:00

has... been as good as advertised in the

44:02

NFL, but Justin Jefferson has been better is

44:04

wild. Yeah, I mean, you

44:06

look at the teams now, you look at who's in

44:09

the league, you look at Jefferson, you look

44:11

at Chase, you look at Stingley, you

44:13

look at Clyde Edwards-Eller, who's not quite having as

44:15

good a career as some of those other guys.

44:18

You look at Daniels, you look at the talent all

44:20

over, and LSU is doing

44:22

their thing, and they got more guys at

44:25

LSU right now who I

44:27

believe are going to be amazing

44:29

players on the next level. Mason Taylor is

44:31

going to be a difference-making tight end for

44:35

an NFL team. What about Harold?

44:37

One of the smoothest, strongest hand. We'll

44:40

see about Harold Perkins. So like, because the question seems

44:42

to be, I think most of us think the problem

44:44

is not Harold Perkins, we also must think the problem

44:46

is Brian Kelly. Well, I mean, I don't know if

44:48

that's entirely fair. Let me tell you the way I

44:50

look at it. So Harold

44:52

Perkins goes about 6'1", 225, right? He's

44:57

a classic tweener. He is twitchy. First

45:00

of all, I think Perk, let me say this

45:02

first of all, obviously Perk

45:04

want Perk to heal up and

45:07

go get his money in the NFL. And

45:10

I hope that he has a speedy rehab and he comes back

45:12

stronger than he was before. They

45:16

tried to met a couple of different positions while

45:18

he was at LSU, trying to figure out how

45:21

to make use of his very unique skillset. Honestly,

45:24

if you want to put them out there on

45:26

the outside and just say, see ball, get ball

45:28

the entire time, that seems like the best way

45:30

to use him to where he could just rack

45:33

up stats

45:35

and become a big time prospect

45:38

for his rounder. But he's a little

45:41

small, right? And then when

45:43

you get him in space, he's

45:46

not that great a tackler, right? So

45:49

there are limitations to Perk in ways that you have

45:51

to use him and you wonder on the next level,

45:54

does he bulk up to 240 and become

45:56

more of a traditional on

45:59

sideline to sideline. linebacker but then he has to

46:01

tackle a little bit better. And if he gets a

46:03

little bit heavier, does

46:05

he lose some of the explosiveness that

46:07

he has? And if he

46:09

loses that is he the same Harold Perkins. You

46:11

know, on a chase down, going to get a speedy

46:14

mobile quarterback, he's really, really

46:16

good. But sometimes when you need him to do the things

46:19

to be just like a solid in

46:22

space linebacker, he

46:25

was still developing those things. And

46:28

Blake Baker was still figuring out how to use them in

46:31

the new scheme. So, you know, Perk has all

46:33

the athletic talent to be a multiple time pro

46:35

bowler in NFL, but finding a

46:37

role for him, being that type of

46:40

tweener is a little bit difficult, a little bit more

46:42

difficult than people think it is. Yeah,

46:44

I think that's fair. I don't think I told you the

46:46

story because Harold Perkins is from like Northwest Houston over there

46:48

where I'm from. And I went to high school with a

46:50

do and they Harold Perkins and I was

46:52

very disappointed to find out that this Harold Perkins, and

46:55

this Harold Perkins by the way, is Harold Perkins Jr. It

46:58

mapped out perfectly for the years that I thought that

47:00

he was the dude I went to high school with,

47:02

and then I found out he wasn't. And I would

47:04

be honest, I got a lot less interested at that

47:07

point. It became completely unfair to

47:09

this five star player. I thought we

47:11

had a connection. You know what I'm

47:13

saying? Nope, did not. That just

47:15

happened to me and it ended up being

47:17

true. There's this guy that went to school

47:19

with me at Tech. He was a long

47:21

jumper. His name

47:23

was Brian Westco. And

47:26

man, we used to play in the gym with

47:28

Westco. You ever played basketball with a long jumper

47:31

or a triple jumper or whatever? You've

47:33

never been hooping with them? All they do

47:35

is dunk the ball all over your head and bang,

47:37

bang. Westco will come in the gym and everybody, I

47:39

don't want to be on this team because I want

47:41

to throw a lob to somebody. And

47:44

I'm looking at this prospect out there and it's

47:46

like, Brian Westco and he's from, I'm like,

47:48

oh, that's cool. He's got the same name as Westco.

47:50

And it's his son. I'm

47:53

like, what? I'm like, what is

47:55

this kid? No, I'm like,

47:57

damn, his son is already going to

47:59

college. because his kid is a little boy going

48:01

to school, good for him, the whole thing happened. Well,

48:03

that's all right with Laguay. It wasn't for him. Oh,

48:07

for real? Laguay's father,

48:10

Derek Laguay. This is Derek Laguay, Jr. That's

48:13

at Florida. So there was no, when it

48:15

was a Laguay for Willis, Texas, there was

48:17

no mystery as to who this was. Right,

48:19

right, right. But Derek Laguay, an ace called

48:21

that boy Shaq. He was like a four-year

48:24

letterman and running back. And when he was

48:26

a freshman playing running back, his quarterback was

48:28

Michael Bishop. And

48:31

so, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And,

48:33

and, and, and, and hold up.

48:35

They tell me it's another Bishop

48:37

coming and it's not Michael's son,

48:39

it's his cousin, Jermaine's son, but

48:41

Jermaine was a monster too. But

48:43

with Laguay, I was like, oh,

48:45

we're really there. And it's, look,

48:47

being Laguay's son, that ain't

48:49

even like a son that Laguay had at like 16.

48:52

Like Drake Kirkpatrick has a son. That's a

48:54

big time recruit now. And it's not because

48:56

we're that old, it's because Drake Kirkpatrick got

48:58

a head start. No, no, no. Laguay is

49:01

like 45, 46 years old,

49:03

somewhere in that range. His son was bored

49:05

when he was like 28. And

49:07

he's in college. That's what make me

49:10

feel old. I wonder what the situation,

49:12

speaking of Laguay, Billy

49:15

Napier will almost certainly be fired.

49:18

If you're Laguay, do you stick it out at

49:20

Florida or you pop your head in the transfer

49:23

portal and see what's around? So I would say

49:25

you stick your head in the portal, but I

49:27

wish these kids understood, especially these

49:29

quarterbacks, stay where, you are

49:32

better off in almost all cases, staying

49:34

where you are. If they go get

49:36

somebody and they just jumps over you,

49:39

that's one thing. But my example is Quinn

49:41

Ewers. And it's working out okay with Quinn

49:43

Ewers at Texas. But Quinn Ewers went to

49:46

Ohio State. He went early so that he

49:48

could get a bag because Texas wouldn't allow

49:50

NIL money. So he went up there to

49:52

get the bag. He lost out to CJ

49:54

Stroud, at which point he

49:56

then went to Texas. But I

49:59

continue. that if he had stayed at

50:01

Ohio State, let Stroud play out those two

50:04

years, or why don't you try to beat

50:06

him out? That's always possible too, right? Let

50:08

Stroud play those two years, he would have had

50:10

a year throwing the ball to 18. He

50:18

would have had a year throwing the ball to that dude, and

50:20

then he'd be in the NFL right now, right?

50:22

Like if you don't think you can win out

50:25

a job as a junior, then you tripping. That's

50:27

what's Arch. Arch is gonna get that job in

50:29

Austin as a junior. All you gotta do is

50:31

put up one year of film. You ain't gotta

50:33

put up no two, three years to prove none

50:35

to them, you just gotta put up one year.

50:37

So if I'm Lagway and they hire somebody decent,

50:40

I stay. Cause if you don't go to the

50:42

league, you always on scholarship. You

50:44

spend your time there, you stay there, you make

50:46

friends with some boosters, you ain't never gonna have

50:48

no problem getting no money ever at any point

50:50

in your life. That would be my recommendation to

50:52

all of them is to stay. Yeah, I think

50:54

he'll probably end up staying no matter what happens.

50:56

I don't think that the fate of the QB,

50:59

the fate of the coach is connected to the QB. I will say this

51:02

is that what happens

51:04

is people look at these situations from the

51:06

top down. And when you look

51:09

at them from the top down, the

51:11

transfer portal seems so alluring because you

51:13

look at Jane Daniels as

51:15

a transfer quarterback. You look

51:17

at, I mean, the only one that you're looking

51:19

at that was like up there in New York

51:21

that kind of wasn't one just

51:23

recently was kind of Bryce Young. A lot of these

51:26

guys they transfer in for one year and they have

51:28

all this success, but nobody talks about some

51:30

of the other names that you hear that

51:32

are in new places and it's not working out. And these

51:35

will be players that I haven't thought of in a long

51:37

time. I'll turn on like a Matt

51:39

game or something like that. And it'll be like, oh my

51:41

God, that's what I'm like, God, are you still playing? Like,

51:44

you know what I'm saying? Like he in the

51:47

league, you know what I mean? So he not

51:49

in the league yet, but for a lot of

51:51

times for quarterbacks like jumping around, it doesn't work

51:53

like for right now, DJU. It's

51:56

not working in Florida. A lot of the

51:58

other people in Florida in Tallahassee, should I say. It's not working

52:00

there. It's for a lot of the other,

52:04

a lot of the other intangibles that he would have

52:06

needed to be successful there. They haven't come along, including

52:08

some of the offensive schemes and some of the other

52:10

players and receivers that he would have needed to hit.

52:12

But they see it, they see, oh,

52:14

look what it did for Bo Nicks. They see, look what

52:17

it did for Michael Penix Jr. They

52:19

see all that and they go, if it's not working for

52:21

me here, forget about learning the system and being able to

52:23

master it. Let's just go to another place and

52:26

like I can catch lightning in the bottle.

52:28

Now Michael Penix I think is his own

52:30

unique situation because he was at Indiana. Because

52:32

of the injuries. Yeah, in Indiana. Indiana, Indiana,

52:34

yeah. I mean, if

52:37

anybody thought you were as good as you

52:39

turned out to be, I just don't feel like you

52:41

would have gone to Indiana in the first place, right?

52:43

Like I got that and you're right. It works out

52:46

well for them dudes. But the truth is most of

52:48

y'all ain't going to the league and that's the part

52:50

that nobody ever believes. But it's an important thing to

52:52

let them know most of y'all ain't going to the

52:54

league. That's not an insult, but since you not in

52:57

all likelihood not going to the league, stick around somewhere

52:59

long enough. You might become the radio voice. You can

53:01

get you a little local podcast going there. You can

53:03

get a job working, selling cars. They

53:05

love to go buy a car from an

53:07

old tar heel, from an old Hawkeye. They

53:09

love to go do those things. But I

53:12

believe that a long-term connection with a

53:14

program is more important than the

53:16

things that these dudes are hopping and skipping and

53:19

going all these places and trying to get.

53:21

That's my read, but I also understand I

53:23

won't be the one to try to kill your dream, right?

53:26

I'll never forget when I was a TA at Carolina and

53:28

one of my favorite students came up to me and he

53:30

was struggling in the class. And he did poorly

53:32

on the test and he asked me if I thought that he should

53:34

drop the class. And I

53:36

told him, I'm not going to be

53:38

the person to tell you to drop the class. But

53:40

what I am going to say is you can ask

53:42

yourself, have you been working as hard

53:45

as you could have? Is there anything that

53:47

you could do to improve your performance? And if

53:49

you think that you can do things to

53:51

improve your performance, then you should absolutely stay in

53:53

the class, right? And he did, and he

53:55

passed. That stuck with me

53:57

forever because I could have told the boy to give up.

54:00

20 years ago. I was like, I could have told

54:02

him to give up. The professor told me to tell

54:04

him to give up. And I just, I didn't have

54:06

it in my heart to tell him to give up.

54:08

So I don't ever want to be the person that's

54:10

like, yo, your dream is going to get squashed. At

54:12

the same time, sometimes you got to come up to

54:14

somebody and do like my dad did when I played

54:16

baseball and I made the All-Star team because I could

54:18

pitch. And I had always fancied myself as a hitter.

54:20

And my daddy explained to me, you need to slap

54:22

the ball on the ground and run, son. You're not

54:24

about to be hitting ball into these alleys. You're not

54:26

taking them deep, right? Like you need to, you need

54:28

to be out here. You need to manufacture some runs.

54:30

That's going to be you. I was mad. He couldn't,

54:33

he couldn't have been more right. He could not have

54:35

been more correct. And somebody need to tell somebody, these

54:37

boys, y'all need to slap the ball around right where

54:39

you at. Try to hit that home run over there.

54:41

It ain't going to happen. Man, rest in peace to

54:43

my dad, man. It's so important to have somebody in

54:46

your life to keep it real. My dad looked at

54:48

one of my homies one time and

54:50

he was like, he wanted to play on the outside. He's

54:52

like, nah, we're going to bring you in. You'll play a

54:54

little bit more tight end for us. We're going to get

54:56

you some nice six, six, seven

54:58

yard routes. You're going to be the master

55:01

of the curl, the master of the dig. You

55:03

know, like we're going to get you some nice routes there.

55:05

We're going to get you some nice routes where you sit

55:07

down and find some nice soft spots. And then, no, no,

55:09

no, no, no, no, man. I want to be like, what

55:11

was your man that was on the outside for the Cowboys

55:13

at the time? Not Michael Ervin, but

55:15

the other guy went to Tampa Bay at Alhambra. He

55:17

was like, yeah. He was like, I want to be

55:20

how, how have an arbor, my dad, Alvin Harper, my

55:22

dad looked at him and was like, son,

55:24

look at your calves. You

55:27

will never be out. It's

55:31

like, so look at your calves. You will

55:33

never be Alvin Harper. That's

55:35

not you. Not like Alvin Harper. You're not Alvin

55:37

Harper. Okay. Like you, you're not going to be

55:40

Alvin Harper. He's like, you J Nova

55:42

check and J Nova check is on

55:44

the Cowboys too. All right. You never be

55:46

Alvin Harper, but you need somebody to keep it real for

55:48

you every now and again. Hilarious. My

55:50

buddy, my buddy Joel always talks about,

55:53

uh, one of the coaches at TCU thought of, yeah, feet

55:55

like a lot, but he was a running back. And

55:58

that was, That's like, oh,

56:00

okay, you're telling me it's time to go

56:03

pro at something else. But look, I think

56:05

this about LSU, man. I

56:09

do, I haven't seen anything from LSU

56:11

right now that makes me not believe

56:14

in where things have happened. We're coming off of

56:17

two back to back 10 win seasons. It has

56:19

not always been easy to watch this team play.

56:22

What we have all learned as LSU fans

56:25

is all of those years that we had

56:27

inept offense, but amazing defense, that's how we

56:30

preferred it. Yes. We

56:32

liked it better that way. Oh no, bad

56:34

defense is the worst feeling in the world. It

56:37

can't, bruh, like all the years that

56:40

we had studs on

56:42

the defense, like ridiculous, every

56:44

single position, you talking about

56:46

Jamal Adams is, and you

56:49

talk about Devin Weights and

56:51

Danil Hunters and Barkevious

56:53

Mingos and all of these guys that were all in

56:55

all the time that we had those guys on the

56:57

defense. Yeah, we did not

57:00

have quarterbacks that could literally throw

57:02

forward passes and it was

57:04

so frustrating. We had a great running game

57:06

and game manager, not even

57:09

game managers. We're talking about Michigan style

57:11

shit like that happened last week with

57:14

USC. That's

57:17

better to watch. There

57:19

is nothing like giving up

57:21

third, nine, four times in a row. It

57:25

is just so hard, dawg. There

57:28

is nothing like just- That's so perfect.

57:30

Bruh, there is nothing like

57:32

giving up third, nine, of

57:34

course, there's nothing like third and 12. We're

57:36

off the field. We're off the field. It's over, it's

57:38

third and 12, 14 yard pass. Like,

57:42

scram, there's nothing like it. Your soul

57:44

just leaves your body, bruh. It makes

57:46

you cut the game off. It

57:50

really will make you cut the game off,

57:52

bruh. So we learned that that was a

57:54

better football, terrible man. Oh

57:57

my God, it's so bad. Cause that's what- I

58:00

think they're getting the opposite for the first time where

58:03

they have the great defense and the

58:05

terrible offense, right? Because look, oh, go by the

58:07

room where they just, you know, Stoops had everything

58:09

going. And then they couldn't

58:11

ever get that defense thing, right? But try

58:13

it now to team and look, okay. So it's

58:15

one thing when your team just has bad defense, but

58:18

as anybody can tell you, a team with bad

58:20

run defense, that's the worst feeling in the world.

58:23

Terrible. LSU knocked Lenora Sellers

58:25

out of the game. And

58:28

we're like, okay, well, look, we're down

58:30

17, nothing in this game, a game that we should not have won,

58:33

but we pulled it out. We're down 17,

58:35

nothing in the game. Their

58:37

quarterback is out. All we gotta do is

58:39

continue to score points. And

58:42

Robbie Ash was not gonna be able to beat you. Like

58:44

he's not gonna be able to throw the ball to beat

58:46

you. Hand the ball off, Roxanne is 65-yard touchdown. I'm like,

58:48

what's going on, bro? I'm

58:52

like, what's the deal? Like

58:54

what's happening? They hand the ball off. We

58:57

know what they're gonna do. It's

59:00

very tough. So look, new defensive

59:02

staff. I feel like a

59:04

lot of the teams that we thought were

59:07

going to be the dominant teams this year

59:09

thus far or having a rocky road of

59:11

it, I think Tennessee's playing so much better

59:13

than we expected. Obviously Notre

59:15

Dame had to bewilder in loss at home

59:19

to Northern Illinois. Oregon hasn't been quite

59:21

what we expected. Georgia hasn't looked great.

59:24

Georgia hasn't looked great. We'll know more about Georgia on

59:26

Saturday. We don't know as much about, we don't know

59:28

anything about Ole Miss yet. They haven't gotten to the

59:30

tee through their schedule. So right

59:32

now, Texas looks like, I mean, Texas is the

59:35

only team that has real sizzle to it. In

59:38

my opinion, it looks like, oh my God, these

59:40

guys are from in the inner team that doesn't

59:42

have very many weaknesses. So I think everybody's kind

59:44

of figuring it out right now. It'll just be

59:46

about, you know, in this era of

59:49

the expanded playoff, who can get to that playoff

59:51

knowing, being the most certain about what it is

59:53

that they do well and having the team solidify

59:56

it as much. Well, Georgia plays Alabama this week,

59:58

and so we're going to find out. one

1:00:00

of two things from Alabama. We either gonna find

1:00:02

out that Alabama is good or we gonna find

1:00:04

out where Kalen Dubois lives when they decide

1:00:06

to show up and throw a brick through the window. It's

1:00:11

coming. Did you see Kalen? Did you

1:00:13

see Kalen very deftly? That's what I

1:00:15

was about to say. He

1:00:17

was getting out the way. They

1:00:21

tried to ask him about Trump coming to the game

1:00:23

and he was like, whoa. That's

1:00:26

your boy. Kalen was like,

1:00:29

Kalen, Kalen's like, look,

1:00:32

yeah, so we gotta go out there and control

1:00:34

what we can control. Not about who comes to

1:00:36

the game and it's great to have people wanna

1:00:39

come to the game, but this is what I talk about

1:00:41

with my players. Everybody doing their job and he goes on

1:00:43

this thing. I was like, Kalen

1:00:46

don't wanna talk about that. No, no,

1:00:48

no, no. He already has the most

1:00:50

demanding and I imagine bewildering job there's

1:00:52

ever been. All the outsiders who come

1:00:54

and take that Alabama job, get the

1:00:56

hell out of Dodge as soon as

1:00:59

they can or it just gets bad.

1:01:01

Like when Ray Perkins got there, no,

1:01:03

he got the hell out of Dodge.

1:01:05

Bill Curry, they got him out of

1:01:07

Dodge after he won 10 games. Dennis

1:01:09

Frantione gave it one year and was

1:01:11

like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

1:01:14

What have I stepped into? So

1:01:17

he was very, I'm like, oh, oh,

1:01:20

Kalen doesn't wanna wade into it. I will

1:01:22

say this, bro. He's

1:01:25

a great coach. They're playing better than I thought

1:01:27

they would. Like they found some things already that

1:01:29

I didn't think they would be able to find.

1:01:31

Obviously Ryan Williams, that's the kind of player I

1:01:33

just don't understand, bro. Like

1:01:35

I just, I don't understand somebody. You know, you see

1:01:37

guys coming to your team and it takes them a

1:01:39

little while to figure out how to acclimate themselves to

1:01:41

college football. Then you see a 17 year old kid

1:01:44

that's just doing all that kind of stuff. You

1:01:46

know, they'll go as far as Jalen Milrose

1:01:48

development or let them go into short intermediate

1:01:50

passing game, but he's

1:01:52

got them playing well. I really thought that they would at

1:01:55

first, you know, take a step back and

1:01:58

maybe they still will. They haven't played. like

1:02:00

exceptionally well, but it seems like they're playing confident and they

1:02:02

know who they are, which I thought it would take them

1:02:04

a second to find their identity, but it seems like they

1:02:07

know who they are. Like I said, we'll know more on

1:02:09

Saturday. I recommend Kaitlyn DeBora

1:02:11

win 11 games a year. E11.

1:02:14

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not

1:02:16

10, E11. Then

1:02:20

back to back 10 and threes y'all got is cool

1:02:22

for Baton Rouge. I recommend that

1:02:24

he win E11 games

1:02:27

a year. I mean, for him, look, these

1:02:32

work got two things. Number one,

1:02:35

Alabama almost, Alabama and Notre

1:02:37

Dame, they really defined

1:02:39

the culture of college

1:02:41

football winning. Those were the programs that did it. And

1:02:45

on the black college level, Gramly, those are the

1:02:47

programs that did it. And

1:02:51

for a long time, Alabama had forgotten that,

1:02:54

right? And then Nick Saban reminded them.

1:02:57

Yes. Well, no, no, no, no, no,

1:02:59

no, no. That's the thing. They had never forgotten

1:03:01

it. It had just been a long time and

1:03:03

they were pissed. They were pissed about it, but

1:03:05

they had never forgotten and see, and then you're

1:03:08

right, Saban proved that they weren't crazy, right? Cause

1:03:10

everybody, we all told them they were crazy. We

1:03:12

all told them they needed to chill out. We

1:03:14

all told them they would, we do that to

1:03:16

every blue blood program. Like every time it gets

1:03:19

down, you're just never going to be like that

1:03:21

again. And then they get the person in, like

1:03:23

Pete Carroll for USC, for example, right? We were

1:03:25

doing the same thing to them. Alabama did it

1:03:27

with Saban. These people now know there is no

1:03:30

reason why we can't finish in the top 10,

1:03:32

16 years in a row. Why

1:03:35

not? But when you look

1:03:37

at Pete Carroll at SC, you

1:03:40

see a fan base that's still chasing the ghost of

1:03:42

Pete Carroll. That's right. And that

1:03:45

situation, if that were to

1:03:47

happen at Alabama, I

1:03:50

don't know if the fan base, cause in LA

1:03:52

they'll go do something else. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:57

In LA they'll be like, okay, well,

1:03:59

Kobe, Kobe. Toby, right? In

1:04:03

town like like they'll like they'll literally go do

1:04:05

something else. They care about it, but they'll they'll

1:04:07

make other plans. In Alabama, there are I mean,

1:04:09

to schools, there are no other plans. No, no,

1:04:11

no, they'll stop. They'll stop watching at the stadium

1:04:13

and go stay at home until they shoot the

1:04:16

TV. But they're going to watch

1:04:18

that game and then they go get the new TV before the

1:04:20

next game. They're

1:04:22

going to care. And so

1:04:24

for him and look, I

1:04:27

think a lot of people that celebrated Nick Saban's

1:04:29

departure, which he's not going to be as good

1:04:31

as Nick Saban. But, you

1:04:33

know, I think that they they underestimated

1:04:35

what a great coach the guy is. The guy's a

1:04:38

great coach. I think he's going to have success there.

1:04:40

He's he has it just one everywhere he's been. He's

1:04:42

one big at every at all the levels at all

1:04:44

the places that he's been. No, no, no, no. If

1:04:47

you watch that team in Washington last year, you're

1:04:49

like, oh, no, no, no. This dude is a

1:04:51

problem. It's just that no one's ever had the

1:04:53

run that Saban had before. So it's unrealistic to

1:04:55

expect somebody to do what he's done again. He's

1:04:57

going I think the question is just

1:04:59

going to be whether the board can do it enough so

1:05:01

that when they get salty, he can call them down quick.

1:05:03

But nine and three and nine and three and back to

1:05:06

back years. And we're going to be talking about who the

1:05:08

next Kaitlyn to bore is. And now he can do three

1:05:10

nine and threes. He can get away with three nine and

1:05:12

threes. He can get away with

1:05:14

them. Not

1:05:17

in a row. Even

1:05:20

if they don't have to, if they don't fire him, they'll make

1:05:22

him quit. It just will

1:05:24

not in a row. I mean, look at

1:05:26

the look at the Dan Mullen situation. You

1:05:29

go back and look at what Dan Mullen was doing over

1:05:31

there. There was a there was one down here, but for

1:05:33

the most part, Dan Mullen had those guys playing. It just

1:05:35

wasn't good enough for what they expected to be at Florida.

1:05:37

But then they got bad and they got bad. Like

1:05:40

they got a little bad. They

1:05:42

got bad, but also Dan Mullen didn't

1:05:45

seem like there was a whole bunch of things that

1:05:47

went on there. I think there's a little bit of

1:05:49

revisionist history about it seemed like

1:05:51

Dan Mullen himself didn't really want to be doing

1:05:53

the job at a certain point. He wasn't really

1:05:55

super amped about recruiting

1:05:57

that maybe. He was having people

1:05:59

put his name up for NFL

1:06:01

jobs and all those types of

1:06:04

different situations were going on. So

1:06:07

there were some cultural things that were going on there

1:06:09

too, but for the most part, there were a very

1:06:11

successful program when

1:06:13

he was there. I think part of what

1:06:15

happens with college football programs, the

1:06:18

most difficult part is when you're good, but

1:06:20

you think you should be better. Yes. When

1:06:22

you're good, but you think that you should be better, there's

1:06:25

no way to talk the

1:06:27

fan base back from that. Nope, nope. There's

1:06:30

nothing, if you think that you should be better,

1:06:33

you think that there's something on the other side

1:06:35

and no disrespect to Billy Napier, a guy who a

1:06:38

lot of people think is a nice guy, but that's

1:06:40

how you end up with Billy Napier. You end up

1:06:42

with someone who you think can come and make the

1:06:44

program better and will be better and then he doesn't

1:06:46

and you realize what everybody else is living like. Oh,

1:06:48

it's never a good sign when somebody has

1:06:51

to start with the no disrespect, but that

1:06:53

is my man Van Lathan. Check him out,

1:06:55

higher learning with Rachel Lindsay, oh, Dorena, you

1:06:57

know what I mean? By

1:06:59

the way, we talked about this on the pod

1:07:01

a while ago. I'm gonna say this real quick

1:07:03

before we get out. Has there ever been a

1:07:05

greater no disrespect than Birdman saying no disrespect to

1:07:08

reading books? No,

1:07:10

that's the best one ever. No

1:07:12

disrespect to reading books. No

1:07:15

disrespect to how, bruh, no disrespect

1:07:17

to how humanity gained its wisdom

1:07:19

and knowledge, but I got something to

1:07:21

say. No disrespect to read, and

1:07:23

the dude was just like, we need some

1:07:26

books and we can write our pills. He's

1:07:28

like, you really think some books, no disrespect

1:07:30

to reading books. My

1:07:35

God, bro. Who does that?

1:07:37

My own statement. Oh yeah, hey,

1:07:39

look, man, y'all, your whole

1:07:41

state is one thing. New Orleans is a

1:07:43

whole nother animal and even Baton Rouge is

1:07:46

not, Baton Rouge, Slide

1:07:48

L ain't the same as New Orleans, Baton Rouge

1:07:50

ain't the same as New Orleans. Nothing is the

1:07:52

same as New Orleans, not in America. You

1:07:55

can go over to France, maybe in Nice, you think

1:07:57

it's like New Orleans. No, they only made one of

1:07:59

those, boy. and you don't wanna be in

1:08:01

that jail. That's the jail Puffy didn't wanna be

1:08:03

in. You imagine they told Puffy instead of sitting

1:08:05

there to the fair, they was sitting there to

1:08:07

the New Orleans City jail or Angola. Like if

1:08:09

somehow he caught a state of Louisiana charge. Coke

1:08:11

can in the shower, go look that up. Y'all

1:08:13

go look up the Coke can in the shower

1:08:16

interview. Go look that up.

1:08:18

And then that'll make you not take

1:08:20

that mission. Look up the Coke

1:08:22

can in the shower. Look, honestly, that'll stop

1:08:24

them boys from dropping out of school in Louisiana. Y'all start

1:08:26

showing them that a little bit sooner. Y'all all be on

1:08:28

the straight and narrow. They all wanna go to St. Aug.

1:08:31

Get me in there right now. We trying,

1:08:34

we trying man, we trying to save them. My

1:08:36

brother, I appreciate you man. Always

1:08:39

bro, always. All right now. Sean, you

1:08:41

got the prize picks for the people.

1:08:44

I sure do, bro. Thursday

1:08:46

night football, Giants

1:08:49

versus the Cowboys, a

1:08:52

big NFC East matchup. I'm gonna take

1:08:54

Malik neighbors, 0.5 rush reception

1:08:56

touchdowns. I'll take more there. CD

1:08:58

lamb, we saw him complaining on the sideline.

1:09:00

So I think he's gonna be a little

1:09:02

angry and want some more touches. So 0.5

1:09:04

rush reception touchdowns. We'll take more there as

1:09:06

well. Daniel Jones, 28 and a half rush

1:09:08

yards. If he's gonna do anything, he's gonna

1:09:11

run. And Dak Prescott, 35

1:09:13

and a half pass attempts. I see them

1:09:15

airing it out a bunch in that Thursday night game.

1:09:17

All right, there we go. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks

1:09:19

so much for joining us here on The Right Time.

1:09:21

We do this three times a week. That was Sean,

1:09:24

you handles things behind the scenes. Thank you, sir. Remember,

1:09:26

follow The Right Time, subscribe, like, rate us, review us,

1:09:28

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