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Hello welcome to the Gavin Jules show. No

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gap market is here today so look who is

0:41

with me. Ned and Manu. I'm back. Good to

0:43

see you. Thank you so much for coming down.

0:46

We've got a big show because lots of

0:48

things have happened. Usually international break is a bit more quiet but

0:51

not so much. We've got great stories, sad

0:53

stories today unfortunately but we will start with

0:55

maybe the unexpected story because I certainly didn't

0:58

see that one coming but Jurgen Club is

1:00

back at work. He is back at

1:03

work. What exactly is the role that

1:05

he's got now? He's a director of

1:07

football of the RB Group I think

1:09

so the Red Bull Group that incorporate

1:11

RB Leipzig in Germany, RB Salzburg in

1:14

Austria, Bragantino in Brazil the

1:16

New York Red Bulls in

1:18

MLS and also a club in

1:20

Japan and very soon a club in Paris we would talk

1:22

about a bit later so kind

1:25

of overseeing advising the

1:27

coaches the technical staff

1:30

yeah being an advisor. Okay so

1:33

obviously there's a bigger conversation to be had here but

1:35

just in its simplest form I think a manager that

1:37

was at Liverpool for as long as he was there

1:40

was a successful as he was

1:42

who was saying that he was tired but then still

1:45

obviously wanted to have an impact in football the job

1:47

by itself feels like a good fit for somebody like

1:49

him just to start with

1:51

in terms of a footballing standpoint

1:53

yeah standpoint because he's not full

1:55

he's not back in full-time but he's get get a feel for

1:58

it and he can sort of dictate strategy that feels I

2:00

guess so. We learned some stuff as well from being

2:02

a little bit behind the scene. 100%

2:05

but the but I'm gonna leave that

2:07

to you because what's the issue? So I

2:10

think a lot of people in Germany are

2:12

especially in Dortmund where obviously even

2:14

I think he had

2:16

a similar relationship with the Dortmund fans than

2:18

with the Liverpool fans and so he's probably

2:21

seen almost as much as the one

2:23

of the greatest Liverpool coaches and maybe the

2:25

greatest Dortmund coach ever. And

2:28

for him to go and work

2:31

for the Red Bull group which is very

2:33

much seen as like okay

2:36

this is the way they approach football

2:38

and the way they build their business

2:40

and their model. We saw that

2:42

with RB Leipzig which is for a lot of people in

2:45

Germany and in the rest of the world like

2:47

a plastic club they took from the lower league

2:49

just because he was there and they could just

2:51

make it the way they wanted, invested a lot

2:53

of money, put all the Red Bull branding

2:55

and colours and everything to try to take

2:57

it to the top with not much history,

2:59

not much soul maybe. And club

3:02

is somebody who's always put forward values

3:05

and your soul and how you feel and for him

3:07

to go to a club that doesn't have much feels

3:09

I think a little bit strange to a lot of

3:11

people. Yeah and how do you

3:13

feel about that RB side of things? Do you agree

3:15

with say the way that German football perceives RB

3:17

Leipzig? Yeah I think that's fair. So

3:21

you're more of a believer in like a

3:23

long standing football heritage? But for example Germany

3:25

is also known for the rules that they

3:27

have in football, the 50 plus one so

3:29

nobody can, you don't have an owner in

3:31

those football clubs really usually except

3:33

for a few clubs, some exceptions.

3:37

RB Leipzig being one of them and the Red Bull group a little

3:39

bit hard and pushed hard

3:42

to kind of go around the 50

3:44

plus one rule which is one of the most beautiful

3:46

rules in football. I think a lot of fans around

3:48

the world would love their leagues and their clubs to

3:52

be like that and to have their own say

3:54

in the way the clubs is running not just

3:56

have an owner from another country oversea, from a

3:58

state, from a country. and why ever. So

4:02

yeah, I understand. Vossel,

4:04

why do you think he's done it? If

4:06

we believe Klopp to be the person that we think he is,

4:08

why would he take this job? Easy money to

4:11

start with. And I don't think he needs money, but still.

4:13

So there's more then, there has to be more then. I

4:15

think he was bored now of doing nothing.

4:18

And he said to himself, he said like, how

4:20

long do you want me to stay in Mallorca

4:22

playing padol? And look after the grandkids. That's his

4:24

quotes, not me. So I think he

4:26

was bored. Remember he stepped down

4:28

to take a sabbatical, that

4:31

has lasted by the way five months, because five months

4:33

ago was his last Liverpool match. His

4:36

wife wanted him to stop as well and take

4:38

a breather. He said, we're gonna go on long

4:41

holidays and et cetera, et cetera. And after five

4:43

months, he's back already, cause I think he's bored

4:45

and probably even his wife said like, do something.

4:47

I don't want you in the house anymore. I

4:49

don't want you here. And I think he's right

4:52

when you've worked all your life. I think five

4:54

months without working probably must feel long. Yeah,

4:58

I understand it to be honest. And

5:00

I think the something to mention, the

5:03

sort of like outcry and reaction in Germany might

5:06

be very well, not very different, but might be

5:08

different to other places where the RB teams are

5:10

involved. Like in the USA and MLS, for example,

5:12

the pushback won't be the same. It's probably exciting

5:15

to, for people who are associated with Red

5:17

Bulls, New York, that Jurgen Klopp could be helping them

5:19

try to learn new style of football, for example. And

5:23

I don't know why, is it the same in Austria? It's

5:25

not the same in Austria, is it? With like, yeah, yeah,

5:27

it is a bit. Yeah, I think

5:29

it's a tough position for him to be

5:31

in just because this is gonna be

5:34

a great offer. I think even though we all

5:36

love the game, there's an element of finance to

5:38

something which will affect your decision-making. It's not always

5:40

the most important thing, but then outside

5:42

of say the image of the places that you go to

5:44

and teams that you work for, the

5:46

day-to-day stuff that he's probably gonna be doing now is something

5:48

which is probably perfect for him right now. Right

5:51

now. That job doesn't exist

5:53

anywhere else. No, that's

5:56

true. And he also, as

5:58

I'm sure we're gonna get to, Has

6:00

something in mind for him to be able to go

6:02

and find a job that he actually wants That's it

6:04

because there's obviously a bit of a caveat in these

6:06

whole things There's a there's a close for him to

6:08

get out of this new job if

6:11

Germany comes knocking So that's really interesting

6:13

because I think clearly now everybody's in

6:15

Germany and everywhere Understands

6:17

that this is probably the next step now

6:19

for him Yeah, it's interesting in that video

6:22

when he was announced as the this RB

6:24

group sporting director a new guru or whatever

6:27

He says he doesn't want to coach like he used to before Okay,

6:30

which again at 57 57 is till young.

6:33

Yes. Absolutely. Are you surprised a little bit? It

6:35

doesn't it would not want to go back onto

6:37

a bench like this a ramad would if ramad

6:39

would come calling surely club Can't turn down ramad

6:41

read for example. Yeah, you would think so, but

6:43

the needs come calling first. That's the thing Yeah,

6:45

as is the case with the job that he's

6:47

got now From what it sounds like

6:50

sounds like I'll be or Red Bull very keen

6:52

on bringing him in from a while ago Yeah,

6:54

that's something that's happened overnight So

6:56

it's the case of what would the jobs be available and

6:58

as you've mentioned there There's the talk about him having a

7:00

clause to go and be the next Germany manager Pumps

7:03

of that is also conditional nags when actually deciding

7:05

to step down in two years time after the

7:07

is it a walk-up Yes, so it's contract will

7:09

finish after the 2026 work. I think they win

7:11

it does you want to go again? You know

7:14

people can change their mind Maybe it's

7:16

an interesting clause And I don't think I've heard

7:18

of that before in football Where somebody

7:20

has a separate job and the clause is the only time

7:22

I can get out of is to go and be the

7:24

manager Of my national side because in two years time is

7:27

it assumed that they'll still want Jurgen Klopp? And

7:30

also what happens if to Carlo retires Carlo

7:32

finishes in June 2025. I'm not really this

7:34

is we know this is Well,

7:36

we think he could continue but we

7:39

think that's probably the most likely What

7:42

if in the summer 2025 remember treated to club?

7:44

Come on I'm too

7:46

busy working in Brazil with I'll be Tino

7:48

and he goes I don't have a close my clothes.

7:51

Sorry So

7:54

I think a lot of things can still happen yeah,

7:57

but you could see him on the on the bench

7:59

for Germany, right you Yeah, of course. Of

8:01

course. But now the question is, do you think if you

8:03

saw him on the bench for Germany, do you think the

8:05

reception from the crowd would be the same as

8:08

it would be if you never had this Red Bull job? I

8:11

think fans forget quite quickly. I think there will

8:13

always be a bet now, especially if you're a Dortmund

8:15

fan, even if you're a Liverpool fan,

8:18

I think this is quite disappointing. You think so?

8:20

Yeah, I think so. Why? Because

8:22

again, Liverpool and RB Lapsika, the complete

8:24

opposite, right? They're the two extremes in

8:27

terms of legacy, history, the way

8:29

they were built, relationship with communities,

8:31

relationship with football in

8:33

itself. Like, there's no

8:35

more of a plastic club again. I know it's

8:38

a bit of an insult, but then RB Lapsika,

8:40

I'm sorry, this is the case, there's not more

8:42

of a, whether you like Liverpool or not, it's...

8:45

Well, how about this then? For as much as, say,

8:47

the history of the two clubs are very different, how

8:49

about style of play? Would you say they're similar? So,

8:53

RB Lapsika, like all RB teams, is

8:55

the Ralph Frank Nick model, right? He

8:57

built this model. All those

9:00

teams, and Ralph Frank Nick was the predecessor

9:02

to Jurgen Club. It's a very different profile

9:04

to have as a boss than Jurgen Club,

9:06

because he's more of a builder, he's got

9:08

this more, he's more of a structured guy

9:11

with, I think, a much

9:13

wider view than the club who will

9:15

go into this job to learn a lot, but

9:17

just as a football coach, well, Frank Nick was

9:19

beyond that. So, yeah, in

9:21

terms of style, it's not the same. Surely

9:23

that's, well, it's not the biggest reason. It might be

9:26

one of the key reasons why he's decided to join

9:28

that group, he

9:30

can align himself with. Yeah, absolutely. So, I think certain

9:32

elements of that can be classed

9:34

as fair, but I think you were gonna talk

9:37

about, do you think his presence puts more

9:39

pressure on the other coaches? I

9:41

think so. But let me just

9:43

finish on the German national team,

9:45

because let's say a D-D

9:48

edition takes over France, after

9:50

quite a good career as a

9:53

club manager, Juventus, Monaco, Marseille, Champions

9:56

League finals, titles, everything you want,

9:58

great. But you

10:01

could always feel that something like a

10:03

national team would be happy

10:05

with that. Where it's a very different

10:07

rhythm and energy

10:09

even than a club level where every day

10:11

you have to be full on, intense, blah

10:14

blah blah. I just think...

10:16

You think that's what it's built for? For

10:18

me club is every day, training ground,

10:21

loving it, full on, intense, come on

10:23

boys, let's have it, let's work hard, get

10:25

in pressing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Deschan

10:28

is cool. Go a bit to

10:30

Paris, go back to the south of France,

10:32

easy life, all good, happy, great generation, great

10:35

success with the national team. Yeah, but people

10:37

change. Especially the change of experiences, don't

10:39

they? And I think it's fair to say

10:41

for yourself, myself and probably everyone else here, some of the energy

10:43

you had when you were younger is probably different to the energy

10:45

you have today. Yeah, yeah, no. You

10:48

can be very much into it. And I

10:51

think he would have really thought this through, not necessarily the

10:53

Red Bull part of it from the get go, but when

10:55

he decided to announce that he was going to stop at

10:57

Liverpool and because he wanted a break,

10:59

he probably, something must have happened in his

11:01

life to think this is too much now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

11:03

So I think that day to day side of things, he's

11:06

done it, he's done it for Liverpool. He's been successful

11:08

with Liverpool, you know, some of the highs that have

11:10

been on him for that spell where he's been there.

11:12

It's probably as many as you'll see in, he's probably

11:14

top five in terms of teams being discussed, active

11:17

interest in the club, all that stuff. So I

11:20

get it. I think it'll be interesting to see

11:22

how, or whether he enjoys this Red Bull job. Yeah.

11:25

That gives him a taste to want to be back doing

11:28

that everyday stuff, as you said. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Or

11:30

whether he wants to slightly up it by potentially getting the

11:32

national team job. But again, unless the German

11:34

FA have said you're definitely going to be getting the

11:36

job, it's an interesting clause to have in your contracts.

11:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's almost security

11:40

that I said, if I don't like this, I just can, you know,

11:43

I've got to get that card. That's how we

11:45

said get a card. Yeah, get a card.

11:49

Yeah. So I suspect so.

11:51

Gerhard Uly was also doing

11:54

that job before Ragnik overseeing

11:56

everything and Uly again at the different mind

11:58

to club. very much of

12:00

a, I would have seen him, you know,

12:03

rest in peace, but I would have seen

12:05

him as a easily running a football club.

12:07

It was that smart, that bright, amazing

12:09

in every sense of the world. And

12:14

Géin would go four days in Leipzig,

12:16

for example, every day training to see,

12:19

then talk with people, talk with the coach

12:21

at the time, talk with the technical staff,

12:23

then four days somewhere else in another RB

12:25

team, etc. If club does that, what happens

12:27

if he's watching RB Leipzig training and Marco

12:29

Rosa, who by the way, he had within

12:32

my mind, so he knows him really well

12:34

already. And just think like,

12:36

oh man, I would use a panda in a different

12:38

way. I would use sesco in a different way and

12:40

Chavi Simmons and I would do this and I would

12:42

do that. I think

12:44

that could give him the

12:46

virus back again of being back on

12:48

that bench, on a bench on

12:51

a daily basis to coach.

12:54

Because I think now clearly it's missing football,

12:56

right? Five months playing paddle in Mallorca under

12:58

the sun, eating paella with his missus and

13:00

the grand case like, okay, that

13:02

was nice, but let's go back to football.

13:05

You're right. I think it's probably too early to

13:07

go to another club or

13:09

maybe doesn't want to, or even Germany that's

13:11

not available. So this works for

13:14

him. Perfect. But what if after

13:16

four days of looking at Leipzig training and

13:18

getting involved in the whole thing, if

13:20

he's like, you know what, I'm made

13:22

for this. I want this every day again. Do

13:24

you know for who I believe him to be,

13:26

and I think most of other people as well,

13:28

if he does get go and spend four days

13:31

in Leipzig in Salzburg and other places and he

13:33

enjoys it, I think he'll be the

13:35

person who will look for a job outside of Red

13:37

Bull. I don't think the people who were in power

13:39

now will be endangered by him being there because I

13:41

don't think he'll try and take the job of somebody

13:43

else that's in that position. I think he'll start to

13:46

look for work and I could be very wrong, but

13:48

as you've said, he's got a relationship with Marco Rose.

13:50

Yeah, so Marco Rose had him at Mainz, Sandra

13:52

Schwartz, who is the New York Red Bull head

13:55

coach had him at Mainz as well, Pep

13:57

Lindes, who is the RB Salzburg doing Taverly.

14:00

by the way. We didn't need to

14:02

say that. Well

14:04

obviously it's a system at Liverpool. But

14:08

realistically Leipzig is the only club if

14:11

they were to sack the manager. He's not

14:13

going to rock up Salzburg in the

14:15

Austrian. It's Bagantino in Brazil. You never

14:17

know. You never know. Maybe they

14:19

were going to Portugal. The club just go in Japan or even in Paris FC

14:21

that they just go. They will

14:24

be part of that takeover in France, in Paris. So

14:28

you don't think that puts pressure on any of

14:30

those managers I mentioned? I don't think so. I

14:32

think in some ways for the people who

14:34

already knows, I think it buys them time. Because

14:37

I think Klopp will be able to speak up for them. So

14:39

I wouldn't necessarily think that he's going to potentially

14:41

take their job. I could be very very wrong.

14:43

Because it's a very unique situation. But

14:45

I think for the way that he would speak about his

14:48

staff, his players and stuff historically, I think he'd be

14:50

doing everything he can to try and help them. As

14:53

opposed to potentially having a more selfish side that says, no

14:55

I want that. I'm going to take that. I

14:58

think he's chosen this red ball job because it's

15:01

available. Because he also doesn't want to do day

15:03

to day things. So I'd be very surprised if

15:05

having been at Liverpool for 8-9 years or however

15:07

long it was, I doubt

15:09

he's going to see Javi Simons and all those players

15:11

at Leipzig. I tell you what, this is exactly where

15:13

I want to be now. With

15:16

all due respect to Leipzig, Liverpool is one of the

15:18

biggest football clubs in the world. So

15:20

I'm not convinced that seeing them

15:22

train would be the thing that brings him back to want to take

15:24

that job for example. So when Ragnik

15:26

was in that job, Leipzig

15:29

sacked their manager and

15:32

he stepped in just for an interim period

15:34

before a new coach. So I

15:36

would love to see club doing that by

15:38

the way. Just for the first

15:40

time on the touch line and see what

15:42

he would do with those players at Leipzig. But

15:45

you're right, I agree with you. I think

15:47

I'm not sure how much pressure that puts on the others.

15:49

Although if you're Pep Linders and when

15:52

club announced that he was leaving Liverpool,

15:54

you left with him obviously and you

15:57

did your own thing, you went to

15:59

Salzburg, nice buck. Not far from you,

16:01

you can still see the shadow behind. As

16:03

I said, you've terrible got beaten five nil by

16:05

Stroungrass, he's a piece of help

16:16

really. If he goes and see Marco Rosa and

16:19

say listen, use, I don't

16:21

know, says could be more inside or do this and

16:24

what about that and what about a line

16:27

being a slightly higher or slightly deeper

16:29

defensively, I don't know, anything. Is

16:31

that, you know, would Marco Rosa sit down and

16:33

listen or... I think

16:36

I just I'm just struggling to see what kind

16:38

of impact he could have. So he's an advisor

16:40

of, he said I'm gonna advise coaches

16:43

and technical staff and clubs, right? And

16:46

he's obviously an amazing mind, football mind, one

16:48

of the greatest coaches ever, anything you want.

16:51

But realistically, factually,

16:53

what is the help they can bring you? So

16:56

to put a slightly different spin on it,

17:00

say for example, Marco

17:03

Rosa, Pep Linders could have been in

17:05

contact with Jurgen Klopp for the last

17:07

year anyway. Yeah, true, they probably are.

17:10

Maybe seeking guidance over little things. But

17:12

Klopp, when he was at Liverpool, couldn't necessarily do too

17:14

much or say too much because he couldn't actually give

17:16

it that much time. And some

17:19

of the help that

17:21

he needed might be things which are a bit more

17:23

obscure than say what we expect them to be. It

17:25

might not be about what tactics should I play, it

17:27

might be about managing, say, certain individuals or how to

17:29

deal with things in totality. And for Linders as well,

17:31

he was very much a new first-team manager. There'll

17:34

be so much stuff on a day-to-day basis which maybe

17:36

he's going through which he doesn't understand or doesn't fully

17:38

get. I think in some ways

17:40

ends up being the best, it's like the best

17:43

paid mentor because they can come to him

17:45

for anything. Yeah, that's true. So instead of Klopp

17:47

coming in and saying this is how you have to do something,

17:49

I think Klopp will now be in a

17:52

position where he can ask people what they're

17:54

doing, why they're doing it, how are they

17:56

finding it, and from there try and help

17:58

them if they... feel that they need

18:00

it. I think there's lots of strategic stuff, which you'll be

18:02

involved in obviously, but I don't

18:04

think Klopp is going to be like a heavy hand.

18:07

I think he's going to be, I could be, I could be, I

18:10

could be, I hear you. I think he's

18:12

going to, like even as a, um,

18:15

say for example, broadcasting football, like I'll come to you

18:17

to ask about certain things, which I know that your

18:19

specialist didn't even know we're kind of doing the same

18:21

thing. Same with playing as a young player. You might

18:23

ask someone more senior about something that's going on and

18:25

they can help you. They could not help you, but

18:27

you always ask the questions to the people you think

18:29

can help you. I think Jurgen Klopp

18:32

with the success that he's had both on the

18:34

field and terms of like trophies and the play

18:36

development that he's had and the sort of legacy

18:38

that he's had at the clubs that he's been

18:40

out where up until this moment, he was very

18:42

much like beloved, like hero. I

18:44

think that can, that's like a good knowledge

18:46

base to be able to help absolutely anyone. So as

18:48

I say, I think he will help

18:50

them in ways that we can't really think of because

18:52

we don't know the ins and outs of what it's

18:54

like to be a manager. Yeah, that's true. I think

18:57

he'll probably benefit from that. And even maybe individually with

18:59

some players, not, you know, not to do

19:01

the job that Marco Rosa or the other managers

19:03

are doing, but also can easily

19:06

advise a couple of players with this and

19:08

that, something that you noticed. Is, is, is,

19:10

is, is trophy, is track record in terms

19:12

of his big games that he's won

19:14

trophies, one of the Premier League, so on points that they've

19:16

had, players that they've had come through at Liverpool and develop,

19:19

like adapting over times over certain

19:22

situations. I think it's a fantastic

19:24

knowledge base to have. And I think most managers, if

19:26

they had the chance to spend time with them to

19:28

ask him questions about what they're doing, what he did,

19:30

I think they choose to do

19:32

it. So to be able to have someone like that within

19:34

your sort of like network, I think could be quite important for

19:36

the Red Bull team. Yeah, that's true. I still can't wait.

19:39

When he's in the stands on one of the Red Bull

19:42

teams and they're doing badly. And then the

19:44

camera, which team in particular you're talking about? And

19:46

the camera shows club in the stands. Shaking

19:49

his head out. Shaking his head out. Oh dear.

19:52

And then, yeah, maybe Jurgen, you could be next.

19:54

Anyway, but great for him. Great to have him

19:56

back in football because we did miss him for

19:58

five months. So welcome. Welcome back, Jochen

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21:22

Right enough, Jochen Klopp and the RB Group.

21:24

How about some quickies, Nathan? Yeah, let's go.

21:26

Let's go. Manchester City women put on a

21:29

great performance to beat Champions League holders Barcelona

21:31

on Wednesday night in the first game week of

21:33

the Women's Champions League. That's right. And unlike Manchester

21:35

City men, the women haven't been in the Champions

21:38

League for a few seasons. Four years now. Yeah.

21:40

So it's been a long time. So for them

21:42

to be able to face the

21:44

opposition, to start with, to get a chance to do it

21:46

at home, like what a way to test yourself against the

21:48

two time reigning champions now, I think it is. Yeah,

21:51

two, but like three of the last four or

21:53

something because Lyon win in between. You know, they're probably the best

21:55

team in the world. Yeah, they are. There's a way to say

21:57

this is exactly who they are. And I thought on the day

21:59

City. They did really well. They start off really

22:01

well. It's up to the lead. Don't

22:03

get me wrong, they suffered a little bit second half,

22:05

which is understandable against the team. It's as good as

22:07

them. But that's a big, big confidence

22:10

boost. And it's interesting as well because domestically, they've got

22:12

some points on the board, but I don't think they've

22:14

looked that good. I agree, yeah. But it's a winner

22:16

game like that with a sellout crowd at the Joy

22:18

Stadium as well. Yeah, it was lovely. You know, that's

22:21

a moment that a lot of those people will never

22:23

forget. No, I agree. And you know what? I thought

22:25

Barca did much better in the second half. And to

22:27

be fair, could have at some points called one to

22:29

make it one-one, but the bunny show

22:31

goal to make it two-nil and her

22:34

run. Even the finish. It

22:36

was just so, so good. It was great. I

22:38

was very pleased. I was very pleased, you're very

22:40

pleased. But anyway, France play Israel on Thursday night

22:42

and they'll have a new captain. Yeah, so it's

22:45

the nation's league. As you know, back England play,

22:48

not in the top league anymore. Sorry about that. You don't

22:50

point at me. Thank you guys. No, no, I was just

22:52

saying I was looking at you there, but we can thank

22:54

our Sadge for that. So they will have Greece. There's

22:58

also a very tasty Italian against Belgium.

23:01

That's in the top league for you English people.

23:04

And France play Israel, you're right. Away. And because

23:06

Kieran Mbappe is not there because you know he

23:09

was injured, but then still played with his club,

23:11

which was a little bit weird. Didier

23:13

Deschamps had to find a captain

23:16

because Antoine Grismann, who was the vice captain, is

23:18

not there anymore either. So it's Aurelien Troamini, who

23:20

in a way is not a surprise

23:23

because I think he's got that kind of leadership status

23:25

within that dressing room, even if he's still young. He's

23:28

got a lot of caps now already. I

23:30

thought MacManion could be the guy. Okay. And

23:33

I think maybe he should have been the guy and deserved to be the guy.

23:36

But let's say that in September, in the

23:38

last international break, he kind of disagreed a

23:40

lot with what Deschamps did

23:42

tactically. Manion did. Yeah.

23:45

And also not too happy

23:47

with Mbappe's attitude during

23:49

the first game against Italy, for example. So him

23:51

and Kili and I think have a bit

23:53

of tension. So it's probably better to give

23:55

the armband to Manion. So you think Kili and decide

23:58

that Manion was not going to be captain? Not sure,

24:00

but I think that... probably helped making Deschamps mind up,

24:02

if you see what I mean, which again is not

24:04

very healthy, I think. Yeah, good

24:06

luck fighting the top division of the

24:08

Nations League. Yeah, let's see

24:10

how Germany captain does with this French national

24:12

team. On Thursday night, another

24:15

Manchester City question for you, Neds, and something completely

24:17

different because we have a verdict now in the

24:19

battle between the club, Manchester City, and the Premier

24:21

League over those sponsors issues, so nothing to do

24:23

with the 115 charges. That's

24:26

another... Different battle. Different battle, but

24:28

in this one, we've had a verdict. Yeah,

24:30

there has been a verdict, and weirdly,

24:33

both groups, in terms of

24:35

City and the Premier League, both side like they've won. But

24:38

I don't see how that's possible, but I think from

24:40

looking at it, it seems like Man City are happy

24:42

with the outcome to where there is going to be

24:44

change in the way that the Premier League has created

24:47

some of its rules. For sponsorship deals,

24:49

yeah. For sponsorship, yeah, and that's... You know, some people

24:51

say, oh, City doing this again, but I think it's

24:53

something that's important for everyone in the league overall because

24:55

it's a fundamental change. I think at times you can

24:57

think it's very specific to City, and it

24:59

started from one of their issues, but

25:01

it does feel like a battle which they're very, very

25:04

happy to win. And I think long term, I

25:06

think it's a very significant thing for the league itself

25:08

because as is the case with a lot

25:10

of governing bodies and alike, how

25:13

much power they have sometimes can be dictated by

25:15

them. Yeah. But

25:17

when you then take it into a place where you can

25:19

have a proper discussion, you realize that sometimes overreach is there,

25:21

not least of all say, was it a few years ago,

25:23

we think the Super League conversation, the leagues were saying, we're

25:26

going to ban players from playing for the national team if

25:28

they don't play in our league and so on and so

25:30

forth. Feels a bit heavy handed. It

25:32

is. And this isn't that, but

25:34

it's a win for man City and it's

25:36

probably a win for those who have a

25:38

stake in Premier League football clubs, I would

25:41

say. Would you agree? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

25:43

interesting. So if you own a football club

25:45

and other companies and those companies want to

25:47

sponsor that club, they just can't do

25:49

anything they want. They can't

25:51

chuck billions and billions, for example. I think that

25:53

was the idea. And

25:56

City felt that was a little bit unfair because if

25:58

it's your company, it's going in another of your company,

26:00

you can do whatever you want, they both belong to

26:02

you. So I think it'd be

26:04

very interesting to see what evolution that brings to

26:06

the game. So go on the Jules, who is

26:09

Marco Cotto? And why are we talking about him?

26:11

Well, it's the first sad story of this quickest,

26:13

Ned, and this show. I'm sorry,

26:15

if you don't know him, he's a como player, plays

26:17

for Como in Italy and the Cescafas Breggas, for example,

26:19

and in the preseason, they played against Wolves in a

26:21

friendly, and Marco

26:23

Cotto racially abused Wang, the

26:26

Wolves South Korean international

26:29

forwards, and after quite

26:31

a long investigation, because when you think about that, it

26:33

was in the summer, and the sanction has just fallen

26:35

this week, he's been banned for 10 games now, which

26:38

I think is the right sanction.

26:40

I would have liked to see that earlier

26:42

even, than mid-October,

26:46

but whether it's preseason or not, whether Cotto says

26:48

he didn't do anything, he's not him, he's not

26:50

that kind of guy, you know, this is the

26:52

line. You're relevant now, yeah. Obviously. I'm

26:54

sure he probably also said that he's got a South Korean

26:56

friend or something. It

26:58

was the disgrace. Maybe

27:00

the ban is even too short at 10 games,

27:03

I don't know, but I'm

27:05

just glad to see finally, in a way,

27:07

incidents like that being properly punished.

27:10

And this is a ban from UEFA? I

27:13

believe so, yeah. Okay, that's, I remember

27:15

hearing the story in the summer, and

27:18

the defense for it was an

27:20

interesting one at best, and I think

27:22

his team were trying to rally around him, but

27:24

what I believe he said, as you've heard,

27:26

10 games itself could be more, should

27:29

be more, but it's a lot more than the

27:31

nothing that he expected. So, yeah,

27:33

take a seat, my friend. Nico

27:35

Jackson won't be punished after what

27:38

looked like a slap in one

27:41

of the Nottingham Forest player at the weekend. Do you

27:43

think he's lucky? Do you know what I do think

27:45

he's lucky? I do think he's lucky, because even though

27:47

football's this big match or a sport, there's certain things

27:49

that you can't do. Really, you can't raise your hand,

27:51

right? No, you can't raise your hand. I

27:54

know, everybody can see, that's why I was surprised, because

27:56

I really expected him to. Yeah, if that

27:58

was going on during the... the game and he's on the

28:00

field, he's likely gonna get a red card. If the referee either

28:03

sees it or the video assistant referee sees it. So for them

28:05

to see it now and to say, oh no, it's fine, we'll

28:07

just move on. I don't

28:09

know whether that's due to some administrative thing

28:11

or whatever, but yeah, he's lucky there. I

28:13

think just to get a fine for not

28:15

controlling their players or whatever it is, like

28:17

25,000. I've got to say, without not

28:19

controlling your players thing. Yeah, is that a thing even? It

28:22

is, yeah, because from when I played, that

28:24

happens when two or more players come close

28:26

to a referee. So it's very

28:28

tough sometimes. When five of you are

28:30

really annoyed, it's like, oh, unfortunately, four

28:33

of us have got to wait back here because otherwise

28:35

the club get fined. So whether

28:37

it's two people or 20, it's

28:40

the same thing. But then what is RG Bargee

28:42

with the other team? That's nothing, because the ref

28:44

comes to separate people. Your English is so good

28:46

to drop an RG Bargee. I love an RG

28:48

Bargee. I love that expression. That's

28:50

very, very good. It's a weird one, but you know, the

28:52

pay the money. So Jules, as

28:54

we are talking right now, over time

28:56

this is, Eric Tenharg is still the

28:58

Manchester United manager, yeah? Somehow

29:01

he is, still, Ned.

29:03

With Thursday morning recording this show,

29:06

he's still there, very much. There was a big meeting, as you

29:08

know, on Tuesday, which was planned before the

29:10

bad week that they

29:12

had with Spurs and Porto and Vela, et cetera, et cetera.

29:15

Where they talked for seven hours in

29:18

total at the ENEO's headquarters in London

29:20

with all the hierarchy, everybody was there.

29:23

And if you thought that maybe after that, they would decide

29:25

one way or another because they could also have said, listen,

29:27

we're gonna back him up, keep him

29:29

until the end of the season for sure and make

29:31

a statement about it. They didn't do that. They could

29:33

have sacked him, obviously, which I

29:36

was expected, and say,

29:38

yeah, it's the end of the road for him. They

29:40

didn't do that. So I guess there's a little

29:42

bit of uncertainty too because they haven't confirmed one

29:44

way or the other. But

29:46

for now, he's still, I think,

29:48

a few days, he's having a few days off, isn't he? Yeah,

29:51

yeah, I believe so, yeah. But like I say,

29:53

he's gone on holiday, but is it a one-way ticket? It

29:55

could be. But mind you, it was on

29:57

holiday in the summer when they went to see him and said... Eric

30:01

you're no we're gonna keep you well maybe

30:03

expected to get fired, but he was not

30:05

fired. Okay, I In

30:08

that whatever happened that meeting Nathan I

30:11

don't know how anyone in that meeting

30:13

could have said something positive about Eric

30:15

tenhag Apart from maybe the fact that

30:17

yes, he would cost a lot of money to suck him

30:20

but it's much too united they

30:22

have plenty of money, so I

30:26

Can't see why you would keep him for much longer

30:29

Really, I don't nothing is gonna improve. We know that

30:31

must be cheaper. Yeah Is

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in years that confirm this retirement this week.

31:53

We knew it was coming We discussed a

31:55

little bit with gab last week, but what's your

31:58

memory of him? So from what? When

32:00

I was growing up, I supported Man City when

32:03

City weren't in the Premier League. I

32:05

was a ball boy there. But teams I used to

32:07

like outside of that, I used to love Arsene Wenger's

32:10

Arsenal. I used to love them with

32:12

like Ian Wright's here on Rees. But then the other team I

32:14

used to love was Barcelona. I used

32:16

to love, this is Barcelona from when they

32:18

had Ronaldo. And then you have

32:20

in Romaro Rivaldo. And then

32:22

I remember really falling in love

32:25

with football when the mid-field was Javi in the

32:27

Esther and Buskets. That's for me possibly

32:29

the best mid-field I've ever seen. And

32:32

the way that they would all play slightly differently, but

32:34

then still be able to dictate, run a game. And

32:37

Niesta very much fell into that. Some of these

32:39

little skills that he did. He's

32:43

obviously a bit older than me, but I

32:45

just scored many goals. I scored one goal, which was

32:47

all right. And it was the one against Chelsea for

32:49

Sunderland in 2010. And if

32:51

you look, the first move I did to get

32:53

through in the dribble is the Iniesta.

32:56

And I saw that from Iniesta. Yeah, two inside of

32:58

his foot, like the flip-flop with the inside of the

33:00

street. Exactly. And that move to me, I can't think

33:03

of anyone else that was doing it around that time.

33:05

So funnily enough, you and him. I

33:08

wouldn't say like our moves are comparable as

33:10

such, but on reflection, like that's why

33:12

I even knew the move was a thing because I

33:14

used to watch him do it. So it's a shame

33:16

that he's retired, but what career he's had. And

33:19

without question, one of the best footballs we've ever seen. And

33:21

you know, for him, you can think

33:23

about the sort of like club honors, but

33:25

they can also think about the fact he

33:27

scored the winner in a World Cup final,

33:29

which is pretty much every footballer's dream, whether

33:31

it's boy or girl or anything. That is

33:33

a dream come true. Probably the greatest Spanish

33:35

player. I know they've had a lot of

33:37

others, really, really world-class players, but even ahead

33:39

of Chavi, maybe ahead of Busquets, ahead of Raul,

33:42

ahead of, I don't know,

33:44

Sergio Ramos, pretty young everyone. I

33:46

think it was that that good. So you can listen,

33:48

you can make a case for it. But Jules, let's

33:50

change the tone a bit. It wasn't a great night

33:52

for the Arsenal women, was it, in the Champions League?

33:54

It wasn't. They went away by

33:57

Munich. They took the

33:59

lead. as well, I thought,

34:02

okay, for the first half hour, and then just

34:04

a massive collapse in the second half, that was

34:07

5-2, 5-2, which I think is a bit of a humiliating defeat

34:09

for United States of the World, who

34:11

is a bit under pressure now, let's be honest,

34:13

they drew Neil Neil against Everton at the weekend

34:15

in the WSL, and they dropped points

34:17

against City, although I thought they played really well against City for

34:20

that opening match of the season, and

34:22

they've got Chelsea coming up at the weekend at the

34:24

Emirates again, so if there's one moment where you know

34:26

when you say like, some games might have really, Arsenal

34:29

and Chelsea game is always big in the WSL

34:31

because they are title contenders with City, it would

34:34

be one of them three who win it at

34:36

the end, but maybe for

34:38

Jonas, there's never been, I'm

34:40

not sure many games since he took over Arsenal, it's

34:42

been that important than the one on Saturday because if

34:45

they don't win that one, I

34:47

think the pressure will intensify even more, you know,

34:49

so we'll have to see. More

34:52

much to City even for you, Naidem, not just because

34:54

you're here, because they are a lot in the news

34:56

right now, and not so good

34:58

news, not as good as the Champions League one

35:00

that we discussed earlier, because Chicky Baker-Richton, who is

35:02

the Sports Director at the club, who's been there

35:04

for the last 11 years or 12 years, even

35:07

has decided to leave the club at the end of

35:09

the season. When you think about how much the club

35:11

has changed from when he arrived to where he's at

35:13

today, when you think about the managers that have been

35:16

in play and the importance of him to a pet

35:18

guardial across all those years, and

35:21

I've been lucky enough to spend some time

35:23

with him, and he loves football, he loves

35:25

connecting with people, there

35:27

was a point where we were having to do an interview in

35:31

this media room, and

35:33

we were doing it, but out the window, there

35:35

was a youth cup game, and you could see

35:37

it was just itching to go out there and

35:39

just watch the youth cup game, and that's him,

35:41

football is his love, all the

35:43

things, some of the other things around it, he can

35:46

do very, very well, but he wants to be engaged,

35:48

he wants to be helping individuals, helping staff, trying to

35:50

play football the right way, and

35:52

I think he's a huge part in why Guadagol has been

35:54

there, why Guadagol has been so successful, so a lot of

35:57

people might not know who he is, but everyone who's worked

35:59

at the football club in that 11 years, know exactly who

36:01

he is, because he's such the lives of all of them. So

36:04

him leaving is a big blow and they'll obviously try and

36:06

replace him. But I guess it would just

36:08

have to be done differently because as I say, he's been one of

36:10

the most important people in the 11 years. But

36:12

anyway, massive news in Paris jewels and it doesn't

36:14

involve PSG. No, and we mentioned a little bit

36:16

in our club chat because Paris FC, which is

36:18

the other, one of the other clubs in Paris

36:21

who play in the second division, the top of

36:23

the table with big ambitions to go up, is

36:27

about to be taken over by the

36:29

Arnaud family who own Louis Vuitton, LVM

36:31

Edge Group. Their fortune is 190 billion

36:34

euros. That's

36:36

how rich they are, so good for them.

36:38

And also minority shareholder of

36:40

the Red Bull Group. So you can

36:42

add to Bragantino, your favorite club in

36:44

Brazil, and Lapsik and Salzburg. You can

36:46

also add Paris FC very soon. So

36:49

a very exciting time, I think, if

36:51

you're a Paris FC fan. England,

36:53

they call it the mighty Greece on

36:56

Thursday. This is on Thursday night because they are

36:58

in the Nations League, League B. Didn't need to

37:00

say that. I'm not sure if I said it

37:02

already. Are they not top of Nations League? I

37:06

don't watch the Nations League B anywhere. I'm more

37:08

in the league A. Harry

37:11

Kane's on the bench, slight injury. John Stones is captain.

37:13

There's a few things. I mean, I like Lee Carsey

37:16

though, so I'll be watching just to see why

37:18

he comes up with this time. Yeah, it's been different.

37:20

I think he's got a new set of eyes on

37:22

it. Obviously, it's easier at this point

37:24

when it feels like you're more of an interim and

37:27

you can make some decisions which aren't necessarily gonna be

37:29

held against you in the long run. But

37:31

it is good to see that John Stones is

37:34

captain. He's one of my favorite players. The city

37:36

have had one of the best England centre backs

37:38

they've probably ever had. So for him to

37:40

get the chance to lead England out is great. And to be fair, when

37:42

I think about England, Greece, I think about David Beckham in

37:44

2003. Was

37:47

he one to qualify for O2, no? Maybe.

37:49

Was it O2? Yeah, maybe it

37:52

was actually. I think it was 2001. And

37:55

that was played at Old Trafford, wasn't it? I remember on the day

37:57

when we were having a bad time, Beckham was taking free kick after

37:59

free. after free kicking nothing was happening,

38:02

then he scored that goal against them,

38:05

which I think proved to be the winner and the

38:07

goal they needed to qualify. That's an iconic moment. So

38:09

he's gonna step up and take a free kick this

38:11

time. Maybe it's called Palmer, who knows? Oh,

38:13

would you play him as a 10? The

38:16

only thing I'm interested in, not the only thing,

38:19

but the thing I'm the most interested in is

38:21

how Lee Castle is gonna

38:24

try to fit in everyone

38:26

from Trent to Palmer to

38:28

Foden to Bellingham. Because soccer

38:30

is easy, it's a right winger, it's a

38:32

right winger. Find somebody on the left, maybe

38:35

a Grillish. I think that balance

38:37

is right in your two wings, but

38:39

then it's who you play in that middle

38:41

area. Do you wanna hear something that's

38:43

a bit controversial? You put Foden

38:46

on the bench? No, I say it screams of a

38:48

false man. Oh,

38:50

so you put Kane on the bench? Well,

38:52

Kane's on the bench now. Yeah, but like, as in, it

38:55

fits. I think for the talent that they have, if

38:57

they were in a world whereby false minds were

39:00

more accepted within English football culture, then playing

39:02

a false man would allow them the ability

39:04

to be able to have more sort of

39:06

possession in the central areas, but then also

39:08

allow the wingers to be staying

39:10

high and wide like some of them do for

39:12

their clubs, which could pin a back four and

39:15

then you think about the creativity that could exist.

39:17

Absolutely. Oh my God, I want Nader Manoa, England

39:19

next England manager, please. Listen, that's never gonna happen.

39:21

Name England head coach. Tell me something more iconic,

39:23

well, to be fair. I want to see this

39:25

idea. I was gonna say something more iconic than

39:27

an England number nine was like an England center

39:29

back with like a white bandage over the head

39:32

and blood pouring down their face. So yeah, I

39:34

don't think that's gonna happen to be honest. Never say

39:37

never, that's what I was saying. Yeah, this is true.

39:39

Never say never. This is true. So Jules, do you

39:41

have some news about former Chelsea legend Claude Michaelay? So

39:43

I've had news in the summer because we bumped

39:45

into each other at the Euros in

39:49

a bit of a party and Claude was on

39:51

top form. I'm happy to report. And

39:53

then he took this weird job

39:55

with Asteras Tripolis. On

39:58

the... couple of

40:00

weeks ago and I was like really

40:02

so when I actually bumped into him quite

40:04

a lot recently so it's funny and we get on really really

40:07

well we like each other and

40:09

I had the impression that he would not want

40:11

to go back to a coach he was doing

40:13

like a lot of UF analysis of

40:15

games you know there was a lot

40:17

of things going on in his life like so then he goes

40:19

to triple this which

40:22

is in Moldova if

40:24

you say so I'm sure Paul- I'm sure

40:26

Paul- so Freddo is going to double check and

40:30

I'm like okay well

40:32

well done good luck for that one Alice

40:34

is different a little bit exotic is good

40:36

probably the level the level is not too big

40:39

in Greece sorry we just say Moldova now Greece

40:42

in Greece and he stays three

40:44

games and then he quits because he

40:46

says that it was too much interference from the

40:48

woman but

40:51

Alice is in unbeaten one win and two

40:53

draws so a bit like Samale dice with

40:55

England's called Michaela very short

40:57

Korea astere at Ripolice but Alice an unbeaten

40:59

one so well done to him that's fair

41:02

that's why also I need to correct myself

41:04

I said former Chelsea legend he's a former

41:06

Chelsea player that is a legend yeah exactly

41:08

we'll never put some respect on his name

41:10

yeah he would appreciate that Chris I'm sure

41:13

no I'm sure many listeners remember Geburr Sisi who

41:15

did you play with? I played with Geburr Sisi

41:18

and against I guess yeah for sure he was

41:20

actually an important part of my time when we

41:22

were at Queens Park Rangers yeah so in 2012

41:24

when we stayed up on the last day after

41:26

Man City won their first league title Geburr

41:29

scored that day yeah to start with

41:31

but more importantly he signed in the

41:33

January like I did and

41:36

he scored some of the biggest

41:38

goals that season not least of all the week

41:40

before when we were QPR and we played against

41:42

Stoke he scored in our

41:44

last home game in the 93rd or 94th

41:47

minute, I remember that as well vaguely, that

41:49

was the winner that took us outside of

41:51

the bottom three heading into the last game

41:53

of the season against Man City without that

41:56

goal I think we go down with the

41:58

same result so he was a

42:00

great player he was important, such a nice

42:02

guy, I was desperate to just score goals.

42:04

Like the thirst for goals from Jibril, astonishing.

42:07

And you know, I played against him when we were,

42:09

cause he's a year younger than me, he's 81 I

42:11

think. Yeah. And

42:14

we played when he was playing before making his

42:16

debut for Oxay, he played in the reserve in the

42:18

fourth division. We played against JW, it's called four goals.

42:20

We lost four and it's called four goals. It was

42:22

unbelievable. And I think without the really bad injuries

42:24

that he got, when

42:28

he was at Liverpool, he would have had a much

42:30

better career than what he had. But anyway, so. It

42:32

didn't struggle, but to be fair as well, this is

42:34

where I realized that I'm old. You're talking about being

42:36

him, being younger, older and whatever. And I'm thinking, well,

42:39

my former teammate, so his son has made his debut

42:41

for Knott's County. Yeah, exactly. So another CSA. Yeah. He's

42:44

on the scene now. Yeah, another CSA is on the

42:46

scene and more power to him. Cause I think the

42:48

work for his son to get the opportunity is

42:51

obviously great. Everyone working behind the scenes and he's

42:53

definitely would have had the support of his father,

42:55

his mother, his rest of his family. And I'm

42:57

sure as a parent, you must feel

42:59

so proud when one of your kids ends up doing the

43:01

same thing that you did. So

43:03

Cassius is his son. Yeah, he plays

43:05

for Knott's County in Likto and made

43:07

his debut at Northampton. It was, I

43:09

think on Tuesday night. Yeah,

43:11

it will take that. Listen, we'll take it. We'll take that

43:13

all day long. But also

43:16

Jules, we could see another Maldini wearing the

43:18

Italy shirt this week. This is one of

43:20

my favorite stories of these international breaknails because

43:22

Daniel Maldini, who is obviously

43:25

Paolo's son, Cesare's grandson, has

43:27

been called up for the first time

43:30

for Italy by Spalletti,

43:33

plays for Montana, is 23 tomorrow. So

43:36

we record the show on Thursday night, tonight

43:38

on Thursday morning. Tonight on

43:40

Thursday night is Italy, Belgium. We mentioned that already. I

43:43

don't know if Daniel will play, but tomorrow on Friday

43:45

is his 23rd birthday. And

43:47

64 years after his granddad made

43:49

his Italy debut, 36 years

43:52

after his dad made his Italy debut, Daniel

43:54

Maldini could make his Italy debut as well,

43:56

like three generations of Maldini. heritage

44:00

that isn't it? And Cesaro Paulo,

44:02

great defenders. Daniel is a 10

44:05

on the talking midfielder if you want, with like

44:07

really lovely technique and stuff, same face. So he's

44:09

the black sheep in the family. A little bit,

44:11

yeah. And I think if you Paulo and Cesaro,

44:13

you're like, oh, why did you have to be

44:15

different? Why can't you just have

44:17

another defender, another Maldini that is one of the

44:19

best defenders in the world? But good

44:22

luck to him really. I think it

44:24

must be amazing. I think the Good Johnson with

44:27

Iceland, Aydore, son and father, and

44:29

Marco Salonzo as well, I believe, three

44:32

generations of Spanish international, but it's really, really rare.

44:34

So well done to the Maldini. It must be

44:36

amazing. Like imagine in the house where you've got

44:38

the three shirts. Oh my word. Amazing.

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45:37

what happened to Axl Transyby this week?

45:39

That was quite unusual. Listen, you think

45:41

that playing football is dangerous. Have you

45:43

ever tried to wash dishes before? I've

45:46

got a dishwasher. So I usually

45:48

put a lot of stuff in the dishwasher. Okay, okay, okay. That's

45:50

fair. This is, this is well for you. But most of us,

45:53

the rest of us, you know, we just wash dishes the normal

45:55

way. But unfortunately for Axl, it appears that he's

45:57

a, that he caught his thumb and he nearly had to have it. I'm

45:59

going to take it. I know, it must have been

46:01

a pretty bad cut. Yeah,

46:04

that's a bad cut. I think it's meant to be out

46:06

for a month as well. I think given the fact that,

46:09

you know, you're back in the Premier League

46:11

and you want to make a good account for

46:13

yourself, to have to sit out because you nearly

46:16

cut your thumb off while boys are doing dishes.

46:18

It seems like one of those ridiculous stories from,

46:21

you remember the show back in the day, was

46:23

it Footballers Wives or something? Yeah, yeah, I remember

46:25

that. Some ridiculous show from back then. Let's create

46:27

the wildest storyline possible and then just say, yeah,

46:29

sort of unfortunate axles out because, you

46:31

know, the plate cut him as he was trying to clean

46:33

it. No, that's- Did you

46:35

have any like weird injuries? Cause you remember, I

46:37

mean, Rhi or Ferdinand, is I think one of

46:39

the most famous one for her, like injuring his

46:42

knee because he was in the sofa with

46:44

his leg on the coffee table for too long

46:47

watching TV and that. But

46:49

like, did you have anything like that? No, nothing

46:51

like that. Most of my injuries actually came from

46:53

just stupid things on a football pitch, but those

46:55

types of things. I think what makes it worse

46:58

is how's Axel going to try and describe that to

47:00

his club doctor? Like, I need

47:02

help because my thumb's falling off. Why,

47:05

what happened? Well, I was just doing- I was just

47:07

dangling like, oh no. Yeah, give me a thumbs up

47:09

if you're okay. Sorry,

47:11

that's, that's, sorry. I want Axel. I'm sorry, I'm

47:13

sorry, I'm sorry. He played every game, so far

47:15

he was a big part of their team. So

47:17

without him. He was a big part of their

47:19

promotion, big part of them, Patentius then league this

47:21

year. So I think he's got to be hugely

47:23

disappointed and the manager's just probably disappointed, confused and

47:25

just hoping that in the future, just, I don't

47:27

know, just hide someone. The

47:29

same, if you're going, when do you go and see Kieran McKenna

47:31

and say, hey, Gaffer, sorry,

47:34

I've had this little problem last night at

47:36

home. Yeah, I don't

47:38

know, you know. It's

47:40

a weird one, but anyway. Sonia Ban-Pastor

47:42

won her first Champions League game with Chelsea

47:44

Jules. Lovely pronunciation, made him. Yeah, she did

47:46

against Real Madrid on Tuesday night at Stamford

47:49

Bridge. That was capped, I thought, weirdly at

47:51

5,000 fans. Wow,

47:53

is it capped? I don't know, I

47:55

guess maybe policing,

47:57

I suspect like, you know, it cost a little bit.

48:00

to police a full stadium or even like

48:02

a half full Stanford

48:04

Bridge. What's the capacity at

48:06

King's Meadow? Or could they not have played there?

48:08

So I think, so King's Meadow is

48:11

under 5,000. I wonder if, so

48:15

I've been there for, I was gonna say,

48:18

because for example, Arsenal can't play at Bournemouth

48:21

because you can't have the gantry for the

48:23

commentary. So it's not UEFA, except

48:25

by UEFA. I wonder if King's Meadow, I was

48:27

gonna say, I wonder if King's Meadow is the

48:29

same, but I'm sure I went there

48:31

when they played PHD in the Champions League, for example, not that

48:33

long ago. So I

48:35

don't know, I guess it's great for the players to

48:37

play at Stanford Bridge more than King's Meadow. I've got

48:40

nothing else in the middle, but Stanford Bridge is Stanford

48:42

Bridge, even with just 5,000 fans. But

48:44

a really good three to win, although stuff

48:47

to work on defensively and to be fair,

48:49

Ramon Goudry could have snatched a draw late,

48:51

Linda Carricillo had a massive, massive chance to

48:54

make it three-three in the end. But Bon Pasto

48:56

has just arrived and maybe the biggest test, even

48:59

more than Ramon Goudry at home, will be, as

49:01

we said, Arsenal away at the weekend.

49:03

But it's a good start for her, I really like her. I

49:05

think she's got so much going on for

49:07

her, and I

49:09

really hope she succeeds there, because it's not

49:11

easy to come after Emma Hayes. No, absolutely not.

49:13

So I really want her to be good there. For sure. Our

49:16

friend Greg Beholter, remember him, he's back

49:19

on the bench, he's at the Chicago

49:21

Fire as the

49:23

manager and also the role of director of football.

49:25

Good luck to him, I guess. Yeah,

49:27

yeah, for sure. I don't think he's overly

49:31

popular online and stuff due to some of the

49:33

stories and stuff that have come out. But I've

49:35

never worked with him on a day-to-day basis. I

49:37

don't know whether some of that's

49:39

fair or unfair. I think the job of

49:41

US men's manager, especially as an American, was

49:44

a tough one because expectation is very, very

49:46

high. Yeah, yeah. And I think some of

49:48

the inner workings of it will always be

49:50

spoken about, will always be exposed and the

49:52

culture is winning or nothing, essentially. So

49:55

I think performance-wise, they obviously could

49:57

have done more. Maybe some people felt it

49:59

was out of his depth. but I think

50:01

for him going back into MLS, I

50:04

think he can make that work. I don't think Chicago

50:06

have a long, rich history of being successful, to be

50:08

honest. So it's definitely gonna be a challenge. But

50:11

if you are a manager on the sidelines trying to

50:13

make the team as good as you can, but you

50:15

feel you need help in the boardroom, well, it helps

50:17

when you're in the boardroom as well, as director of

50:20

football. So yeah, I guess. I was gonna say, is

50:22

that weird to you? It feels weird to me. I

50:24

don't believe anybody else right now. In one of the

50:26

big leagues, I'm also, I don't know about

50:28

smaller leagues, but if you can't, MLS is

50:31

one of the big leagues, but let's say the big five in Europe

50:33

plus Portugal, Eredivis, you know,

50:35

those kind of leagues. I don't

50:37

know of any managers who's also his own boss.

50:39

No, I've not seen that before. And

50:42

I'd like to know if he applied for both roles at the same

50:44

time, but- Two different CVs? Yeah,

50:46

well, maybe you got a director of football job

50:48

first, and then he applied for the manager's job,

50:50

and he decided to give himself the job. Yeah,

50:52

that's the way it could work. That's amazing. Yeah,

50:54

listen, it's good work. Good process. Yeah, yeah.

50:57

I don't think, to be

50:59

fair, maybe it's been done before. I'm thinking about, I think

51:01

Mark Bowen at Reading did something similar. Really? I think he

51:03

was the director of football, then ended up being manager of

51:06

a, you know, Reading, thriving football

51:08

club currently, so. I

51:10

think, I found that a little bit strange, but why not?

51:12

And maybe this is just to be

51:14

like an old school English manager where you deal

51:16

with transfers and you deal with everything. Listen, one

51:18

thing I'll say, MLS does

51:20

not work like English football, but he's also somebody

51:23

that's had experience over there. And I think

51:25

trying to create, help Chicago Fire be significant again

51:27

is going to be a big task, especially out

51:29

East when you've got the likes of. Of,

51:32

as we know. And all

51:34

types of things like that. So

51:36

after the wonder, and the Civitas Metropolitano,

51:39

we have a new name for that. Let's go

51:41

to Madrid Stadium. I think they changed name more

51:43

than anybody else in the world. They changed names

51:46

more than anything in their own club, it looks

51:48

like, because you're right. It's

51:50

called now the Riyadh Air

51:52

Metropolitano. I mean, I had

51:54

nothing else wonder of Civitas, but now

51:57

they've signed a very lucrative deal with Riyadh

51:59

Air, which is... the Saudi

52:02

airline company, the high companies, you see. For

52:05

the next nine years, I believe eight or

52:08

nine years, something like that. So for the

52:10

first time on October 20th, they would play

52:12

our home to Leganess, where we officially become

52:14

the Rio de Emetropolitano. I

52:17

don't know who really says that name. You

52:19

know, I rarely said, you know, you,

52:22

I don't know. I'm not

52:24

sure how many people are gonna really say the

52:26

Rio de Emetropolitano, but, because you can say the

52:28

metropolitano and everybody would know who you're talking about

52:30

and what stadium that is. But,

52:33

you know, it's naming.

52:35

How old is the stadium? Oh,

52:38

that's a good question. I would say

52:40

maybe 2017, 2018. I

52:44

would say something like that. I think the fact that it's

52:46

relatively new will probably help the fact it's been named again.

52:49

But I thought naming rights for

52:52

stadiums were very often very long

52:54

for a reason. 80 had MRS

52:56

being, I believe, like 10 years,

53:01

stuff like that. Because what's the point? If

53:04

your brand to just have a one or two

53:06

year, I think the, to

53:08

have an effort, an impact and some sort of

53:10

effect, positive effect, you need it

53:12

on the longer base. So people keep hearing

53:15

that the brand is the Civitas or the

53:17

Wanda or the Rio de Emetropolitano. And then

53:19

otherwise it probably pass you by, no?

53:21

Yeah, for sure. I would agree. But I think in

53:24

terms of this discussion, what I would say is that every

53:26

time I hear about something happening in La Liga, it seems

53:28

like there's an element of fluidity in terms of how they

53:30

do business, whether it's Barcelona selling the club or a realm

53:33

of drip buying, whoever they want. So

53:35

this Rio de Emetropolitano thing, you say it's nine

53:37

years? I think it's nine years. But you know

53:39

what's really fascinating about naming rights for a stadium?

53:41

I really like it because you could come, it

53:43

could be a great name. And also for all

53:45

you know, it could be like a brand that

53:47

you don't like as a fan. And

53:49

maybe there's some a Cetico fan who don't like the

53:51

fact that, you know, it's a Saudi brand. I'm sure

53:53

they will. But Spurs, for example, are

53:55

still working on, it's not La Liga Spurs, I'm just saying

53:58

that it's also who you pick and what you want. And

54:00

if you believe that you can get more money and

54:02

so you pass on one down

54:04

Civitas and Riot Air, which is maybe what

54:06

Spurs have done. So some clearly go quickly

54:08

and at Aticco, I've had three in the

54:10

space of a few years, as we said,

54:12

Spurs are still waiting for the first one

54:14

even. So it's interesting how club's policy in

54:16

terms of naming the stadiums go, because

54:19

I'm sure Spurs could have agreed a

54:21

long time ago with a brand, but maybe the

54:23

name of the brand and the history of the

54:25

brand was not what they wanted or the amount

54:27

of money was not what they wanted or the

54:30

length of the contract was not, they wanted all

54:32

of that. For Aticco, it doesn't seem to be

54:34

a problem. We could have pitched for like a

54:36

Nader-Monuah metropolitano. I ain't got the money for that,

54:38

my friend. Are you sure? I ain't got the

54:40

coffers for that. But anyway, looking forward to that

54:42

game on October 20th at the Riyadh. Ned,

54:46

we've had a very sad news last night on Wednesday night

54:48

with the news of the passing of George Boulder at the

54:50

age of 31. Yeah, it's

54:52

heartbreaking for somebody that young to

54:55

lose their life. And for me personally, having

54:57

played in leagues that he's been in and also played

54:59

with people who he's played alongside, I

55:01

know that there are a lot of people very, very

55:03

sad today. People who held him dearly, really close with

55:06

him, really enjoyed playing with him, loved him as a

55:08

person. And I've just feel bad

55:10

for his family, all his extended, all his friends.

55:13

It's a real shame. It's a real, real shame. And

55:15

as you said, it's 31 years at age. Any

55:18

sort of breaking news announcement where somebody's passed

55:20

and you see them being so young is

55:23

heartbreaking. We just hope that people

55:25

can recover as soon

55:27

as they can. But I'd imagine this

55:29

could potentially take a lifetime. Yeah, we

55:31

don't, we obviously not have many details

55:33

yet of what happened and

55:36

everything. He played for Sheffield United in the Premier

55:38

League, went up from the lower leagues, signed

55:40

for Panatinaiko, sorry, in the summer because

55:43

he had Greek relatives in his family.

55:45

He was allowed to play for Greece.

55:48

So he was a full Greek international and

55:50

really 31 in the heart of his

55:53

career. So

55:55

really, really sad news. It's heartbreaking. And

55:57

Jules, unfortunately, we've got to finish the show with even more sad news.

56:00

Yes, because we also had the passing this week of

56:02

one of the greats of

56:05

the history of the game. Joanne Niskens, the

56:07

former Dutch international who played for Ajax, played for

56:09

Barcelona, then went to play

56:12

in what was before the MLS in

56:14

the US, before MLS in the US.

56:17

One of the best players that

56:19

we've seen certainly, players that have

56:21

changed the game. Not many players can say that they've

56:23

changed the games in a way by him, with Johan

56:25

Cruyff and Rinos Mikkel. Of course, Mikkel is being the

56:28

manager of this total football Dutch team

56:30

of the 70s, 74

56:32

World Cup Finals, 78 World Cup Finals, and Niskens was

56:35

very much at the heart of it. Cruyff

56:37

was the brains and

56:39

the genius behind it, and

56:42

Niskens was his assistant, number

56:44

two really. I think for

56:46

a long time Niskens was seen as Johan, the

56:48

second Johan, because there was Cruyff, Ajax

56:50

with him, then Barcelona with him, and

56:52

he was the other Johan. I

56:55

think sometimes that was maybe a blessing,

56:57

because he could let Cruyff guide

56:59

him and he could do all the jobs that Cruyff wanted.

57:03

Sometimes maybe it would have occurred, because I think he

57:05

would have loved a bit of a bigger role, but

57:07

Cruyff was always the better and the

57:10

smarter player. But what a player,

57:12

maybe the first real box-to-box player in

57:14

the game, even before he became an

57:16

English thing. Because

57:18

he had this incredible fitness

57:21

and the running capacity and brains

57:23

of football that he could play

57:26

any position almost. And

57:28

it was great, and he never won the

57:30

World Cup, which is obviously the biggest regret

57:32

I think in his career, but he won

57:34

pretty much everything else. So an incredible career

57:37

really, and a player that I think should be

57:39

remembered exactly the way it was, in

57:41

a way it was part of a revolution in football that

57:44

the Dutch brought in the 70s. Absolutely, yeah. Next,

57:47

thank you so much for coming down, and all

57:49

the way from Manchester. It was great to have

57:51

you here, it was a really, really good show.

57:53

We'll be back on Monday, of course, Gabb

57:55

will be back, and the international break will

57:57

be in full swing, we'll have loads of

58:00

games in the Nations League, in the

58:02

Copa, in the South

58:04

America qualifiers for the World Cup as well,

58:06

in Africa, everywhere, loads of games. So we'll

58:08

review all of that with Gab on Monday

58:10

and until then, as Gab always said, love

58:13

yourself, love your neighbour, love the game or

58:15

something like that. And

58:30

the Chargers add to their lead. As

58:32

the Chargers meet rookie Marvin

58:34

Harrison Jr. and the Cardinals

58:37

in the deck. Murray scrambling.

58:39

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