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2:42
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2:44
big announcement Let's get it out of the way right at the
2:46
top of the show. We are
2:48
doing the summer movie wager this
2:50
year What The
2:54
summer movie wager, of course the annual game
2:57
Where we attempt to predict the top
2:59
10 films at the box office
3:02
each summer And
3:04
of course, it's usually an exercise
3:07
in showing how unqualified we are
3:09
to do any of the stuff that we're doing We're
3:11
living right now. So you think we would get
3:13
smart and stop humiliating ourselves
3:18
That's the joy Yeah, yeah indeed indeed.
3:20
Well, the good news is this year
3:22
we're bringing on new people to humiliate
3:24
us. Absolutely. Absolutely correct so We
3:27
are planning to record the summer movie wager in a couple
3:29
weeks. Now the thing is Guys,
3:32
it is a packed Like
3:35
time period for movies right now, like there's
3:37
so many movies coming out We literally do
3:40
not have enough slot like main movie review
3:42
slots movies are back, baby To review all
3:44
the movies that we want to discuss And
3:47
so as you'll find out when you
3:49
learn about next week's movie It
3:51
is a very challenging time to be reviewing movies like just
3:54
to get it everything we want to review So
3:56
we had to choose a date to do the
3:59
summer movie wager We're going to be doing it
4:01
a couple of weeks. We have marked the beginning of
4:03
the summer as the
4:06
fall guy, the movie that's coming out
4:08
in early May, correct by David Lynch.
4:11
Uh, it was a hard thing this year because
4:13
so many years recently, Marvel
4:16
has decided when summer starts. We
4:18
started in late April once. Yeah.
4:21
I recall. Marvel has abdicated their
4:23
responsibility to define the season. They
4:25
have been defenestrated. And
4:28
are no longer dictating the beginning of
4:30
the summer. There's only one quote unquote
4:32
Marvel movie coming up this summer. Yeah.
4:36
What Deadpool and Wolverine, right? Yeah. That's
4:38
not until late July. July. Right.
4:41
So we had to choose another day
4:43
and it could have, it could have been either the
4:45
fall guy or kingdom of the planet of the apes
4:47
coming out of May in mid May. For sure. Coming
4:49
in now though, by the way, Deadpool and Wolverine number
4:51
one of the summer. Come on. Oh, what? Come on. Wailer
4:53
for the summer movie. Wailer. I didn't even
4:56
think about it. I did. I've not looked at any of the other
4:58
out here, but that movie, number
5:00
one in my heart, wow. Wow.
5:02
I guess you don't, you're not putting too
5:04
much hope in the borderlands movie. Um,
5:07
anyway, not at all. So, so
5:10
typically what we would do in a normal
5:12
summer is like we'd, we'd record the episode,
5:14
uh, way in advance.
5:16
And then you could like have weeks
5:18
to put together your wager. That's not
5:20
happening this year because. Have we
5:23
ever done that? I feel like you say
5:25
that we have done that. I don't know.
5:27
We've done that. Usually there's like a week
5:29
and a half or two weeks, but like
5:31
in this instance, the summer movie wager episode
5:33
is coming out like literally one day before
5:35
the last day that you can
5:37
enter the summer movie wager and still be
5:39
on the leaderboard. Uh, so
5:41
if everything goes according to plan, uh,
5:44
then as, as of when you're listening to
5:46
this, you will be able to go to
5:48
the summer movie wager.com and submit
5:50
your top 10 list of summer movies for
5:52
the summer with three dark horses. And
5:55
be on the leaderboard for this year. I
5:57
think may first will be the last day. you
6:00
can be on the leaderboard because starting
6:02
May 2nd, people will have box office
6:04
information about the fall guy, which will
6:06
be the first movie of the summer.
6:08
So, uh, again, if you
6:10
want to enter and be on the leaderboard, the
6:12
summer movie wager.com is where you can do it.
6:14
Huge thanks to Dennis for putting together that website.
6:16
We'll be talking more about that website in the
6:19
future when we record the actual episode. Uh, but
6:21
just wanted to let people know for, for those who
6:24
want to enter and be part of the leaderboard, uh,
6:26
you have until now between now and May
6:29
1st to do that. Also
6:31
want to say, uh, it should be a really nice,
6:33
uh, group. We, uh, we got BJ Colangelo joining us
6:35
this year for the summer movie wager. Uh, and
6:38
we'll be recording that all together in a
6:40
couple of weeks. So look forward to that. We'll, we'll
6:42
announce when that's coming, uh, about a week in advance.
6:45
So, uh, yeah, good times up
6:47
ahead in terms of predicting the top 10 movies
6:49
of summer. I gotta say I was a little
6:51
worried there wouldn't be 10 movies to put on
6:53
the list this year. No, but
6:56
according to the list I'm looking at, there's going to be at
6:59
least 10 movies coming out this summer. So that's a
7:03
relief. So huge thanks to
7:05
Dennis, the summer movie wager.com the episode of the
7:07
summer movie wager will be coming out in a
7:09
couple of weeks. Look forward to it. Okay.
7:13
There is one big news story I want
7:15
to discuss this week that
7:17
I was really excited by. Uh, reading
7:21
here from the Hollywood reporter, the headline is Glenn
7:23
Powell to star in Edgar Wright's remake of the
7:25
running man. Again,
7:27
Hollywood all in on Glenn Powell, Glenn
7:29
Powell, everywhere, every movie. Also all
7:32
in on remakes. We
7:34
have on the after dark in
7:36
the past talked about, I
7:38
have lamented how there are
7:40
no movie stars these days anymore. How like Will
7:42
Smith was one of the last big movie stars.
7:45
There has been disagreement in the, in
7:47
between us about like what constitutes a movie star. That's
7:49
okay. But I
7:51
actually feel like Glenn Powell might have the juice that
7:53
it takes to be a movie star. And I would
7:55
also add, uh, Timothy Chalamet
7:58
to that list and Zendaya. That list
8:00
on a tour. I think I think that the
8:02
winner there's actually gonna be potentially. Some.
8:04
More movie stars which is amazing to contemplate
8:06
The global. He's having an
8:08
incredible run. He. Started topco
8:11
maverick. The. Number one grossing film of that
8:13
year. He was
8:15
in the Sony Romantic comedy Anyone But
8:17
You, which made over two hundred billion
8:19
dollars of the box office worldwide. While
8:21
he is the co producer and co
8:24
writer of Richard Linklater his newest film,
8:26
Hitman. Which. Comes out this summer June
8:28
seventh on Netflix. And. He's
8:30
going to be headlining Twisters, the spiritual
8:32
successor to Twister. One of my favorite
8:35
ones are Tell Them! On top of
8:37
that, he is now the main star
8:39
of Edgar Wright's. The. Running
8:41
Man which. I. Had to
8:43
say feels very topical. I am
8:45
curious what are your guys associated
8:47
of feelings with. The. Original, The
8:50
Running Man, Soaring, all sorts of your definitely.
8:52
Are. Probably watched it about
8:54
four hundred times on Vhs a
8:57
thaw said. Yeah. I yeah I
8:59
mean it was there was a period there
9:01
were I. you know I was all in
9:03
on source near I would watch Total Recall.
9:06
Running. Man, Predator or like those were
9:08
it was as though as every Saturday for
9:10
deaf that that's exactly right I'm doing. This
9:12
is that your job with that's not far
9:14
from the truth. Sorry I
9:16
was and running man. As a kid
9:18
it. As. A kid
9:21
who loves comic books and
9:23
professional wrestling and games and
9:25
video games. Last Ah, the
9:28
Running Man was squarely in
9:30
my wheelhouse. Ah, I mean
9:32
you literally have. Ridiculously.
9:35
Named and costume bad guys
9:37
who have seemed weapons like.
9:40
It's. Bonkers, It's it's it's I
9:42
love how goofy it is. I
9:44
love how. You
9:47
know over the top it is. It had. It.
9:49
Has. The. Dude, What? I
9:51
stayed home from school and
9:53
watch game shows all day.
9:56
It had that guy playing
9:58
a villain. A
10:00
crazy little kids yeah just
10:02
couldn't even comprehend. This is
10:04
very kind man who we
10:06
help people. Just things are
10:09
the. On the game shows a
10:11
good that would be of evil villain in
10:13
this was the major movie. Yamuna
10:16
Optic I was that younger voters in money, what
10:18
region are things and and it's very much rated
10:20
R but I you know as a couple I
10:22
watched it a little earlier than I should have.
10:24
And. Yeah, definitely loved running man. I
10:27
think it's gonna be a very very different movie, but it's
10:29
still in all. Honestly, in
10:31
the age of. Of
10:34
reality show nonsense that we talk about
10:36
a lot here on the show. it's
10:38
hard. It's it'll be a hard
10:40
thing to pull off a thing because. Actual
10:43
reality shows. Are. A
10:45
parody of themselves. already weird, live in
10:47
a post mills manner yet world you
10:50
play out. I mean obviously we mad
10:52
world after which Milf Manner has already
10:54
been released to the must. Also, some
10:56
if every every little kid knows about
10:58
Hunger Games you know right? Which is
11:00
not that far from it either so
11:02
I would be hard to kind of
11:04
make it seem. Relevant
11:08
and and subversive in any way. In
11:10
a hundred Hunger Games is pretty much
11:12
the running man for kids wrapping as
11:14
he was in Battle Royale with kind
11:16
of like a spin on that comes
11:18
up to six every see. So much
11:20
as as the movie is a be
11:22
real movie has done is we've kind
11:24
of lived through serve was to like
11:26
a deconstruct that better than. Edgar.
11:28
Wright who knows you don't recall reading your
11:30
from hello to put article. The Running Man
11:32
was set in. and twenty twenty Five. It.
11:35
In America under a totalitarian regime
11:37
that uses violent game shows to
11:39
placate the disenfranchised messes. So.
11:42
you never really to me
11:44
like the other one i've
11:46
i've a been a federal
11:48
comes to power that will
11:50
run things like they're doing
11:52
a reality show this is
11:54
our world completely unrecognisable azalea
11:56
was a bulldozer it's it's
11:58
completely like so outlandish far-fetched. It's
12:00
not even worth mentioning in
12:02
connection with our reality. One
12:05
desperate man needing money for his
12:07
sick daughter joins the most popular
12:09
show, The Running Man, in which
12:11
teams of killers hunt down contestants.
12:13
The longer one survives, the more
12:15
money that person makes. That's the
12:17
plot of the original Running Man,
12:19
which was published in 1982,
12:22
written by Stephen King under
12:24
a pseudonym. So, yeah, Bachman
12:26
books. Yeah. This sounds like
12:28
fun. This is Edgar Wright going back into
12:30
like Scott Pilgrim mode almost. So, hey,
12:33
I'm down with it. And this does remind me of the
12:35
days when like Hollywood would just be like, you,
12:37
you are a star. You're
12:40
gonna be in everything. Like we live through
12:42
the Sam Worthington days. You know, we lived
12:44
through so many of these eras that kind
12:46
of failed, right? And I'm
12:48
down with the Glam Paler. I think that could
12:50
be great. First of all, Sam Worthington's
12:53
star has not yet died. He is going
12:55
to be, I believe, in Kevin Costner's new
12:57
movie this summer. He is. You guys seen
12:59
that, seen the Kevin Costner? Two
13:01
movies. Three movies, Jeff.
13:03
Is it three? I thought it was only
13:05
two. I thought three days. It's two parts
13:08
coming out this summer. Horizon. Which
13:11
is a wild, I saw a
13:13
trailer for Horizon. That is wild, right? Because
13:15
I believe he mostly self-financed that movie. Yeah.
13:18
On his own ranch. We talk
13:20
about dad movies, right? Like for
13:22
everybody who was just hooked on
13:24
Yellowstone, Kevin Costner has delivered the
13:27
ultimate dad movie. Multiple parts across
13:29
separate release dates. Incredible. The stone is
13:31
so yellow, you won't even be able
13:33
to handle it. We are in,
13:35
we are truly in the era of
13:37
100 millionaire
13:40
slash billionaire actor directors. Just
13:44
being like, F it. I have something I want to say.
13:46
I'm going to make it. We obviously have
13:49
seen Francis Ford Coppola make probably
13:51
his last movie, Megalopolis, which
13:53
is a finished film. It will be premiering
13:56
at Cannes this year. But
13:58
no distribution. It
14:00
will ever see I assume he's gonna put
14:02
that thing up on Vimeo if Every
14:09
bottle of wine you get a free megalop a little like USB
14:11
drive But
14:17
yeah Kevin Janet it loads the Vimeo page But
14:22
yeah Kevin Costner He's obviously almost
14:24
70 years old at this point. He's made a
14:26
movie that he's like, hey, there's
14:28
a movie I don't make I don't care about
14:30
the commercial viability I don't get it's a huge
14:32
risk to release a movie in two parts within
14:34
six months from each other nothing about this makes
14:36
sense But you know, it's that kind of crazy
14:39
that we kind of need from some of Hollywood's
14:41
old old tours Yes, but uh, yeah, it will
14:43
not be possible in like 10 20 years from
14:45
now Like there will be no directors and people
14:47
that have enough juice. I think they like make
14:49
100 million s Years
14:53
from now people just typing their computer make
14:55
me a movie like Yellowstone And
14:59
then a rainforest the size of Alaska
15:01
will be burned in order to have
15:03
that but But
15:06
no disagreement Jeff. Um, so
15:08
anyway Edgar Wright really
15:10
excited that he's gonna be making it You
15:12
know Edgar Wright a super talented filmmaker Been
15:15
making his own stuff for a really long time Right,
15:17
like I think Ant-Man was one of the only other
15:19
times we've seen him attached to a pre-existing
15:22
property or a remake So
15:24
I hope that he hands about pilgrim. But yeah, yeah
15:27
I hope he's doing this willingly as
15:29
opposed to you know, feeling like
15:31
he has to in order to In
15:34
order to get get to the back but did last
15:36
night's oh do really well I forget how that turned
15:38
out but we all like it was okay. So good.
15:40
It did okay Yeah, we enjoyed it, but I think
15:42
it did okay box office It was not a huge
15:44
hit box office wise where you're like baby
15:47
driver was a huge hit box Yeah, this
15:49
is programmed to be like yes hit commercial
15:51
hit. Yeah, right, but also his his sort
15:53
of kinetic visual style In
15:56
the world of running man sounds like a
15:58
match made in heaven. Absolutely It does
16:00
feel like he's going to have a ton
16:02
of fun realizing the sort
16:05
of gonzo weirdness of
16:08
a running man. I hope it keeps its...
16:12
I hope it's not gritty and real. I
16:14
really want it to be still
16:17
in that game show aesthetic.
16:20
As I said, Hunger
16:23
Games kind of did the gritty real. Battle
16:25
Royale is the major point. It did this
16:28
sort of gritty real gruesome... There's
16:31
stuff that's gruesome in Running Man,
16:33
but it's a technicolor marvel that
16:35
movie. I hope that Edgar
16:38
Wright maintains that aesthetic at least a
16:40
bit. I also hope John Cena's in it. Talk
16:43
about the kid's personality. Steven
16:47
Tobolowsky has a saying that really sticks
16:49
with me. You don't
16:52
choose your memories. Your memories choose you. You
16:55
don't decide what you want to remember. The
16:58
things that you remember just happen to
17:00
be those things for you. They often say something
17:02
about the person. One of my core
17:04
memories of Jeff Kanata... I'm
17:07
sure you have memories of me that I don't
17:09
even remember myself. One of my core memories of
17:11
Jeff Kanata... That time that I chased you through
17:13
an apocalyptic wasteland. That one? One
17:16
of my core memories of Jeff Kanata is listening to, I
17:18
believe it was, the Totally Rad
17:22
Show episode reviewing The Hunger Games. You
17:26
described it as a battle
17:29
royale with cheese. Battle
17:33
royale with cheese. I
17:36
remember that. Thank you. I was
17:38
proud of that. I don't know
17:40
if you originated that. I
17:42
thought I did. If you
17:45
did, then that's actually really good. Very, very good. At
17:47
the time, I hadn't heard it before. I
17:50
thought it was pretty clever. In
17:53
that case, because very few people had seen
17:55
Battle Royale at that time. It
17:58
was harder to come by. right?
18:00
But you don't remember how hard I was
18:02
to get think Saddam regular a torrid t
18:05
like weeds didn't realize it when you the
18:07
torrent a copy of Battle Royale bags or
18:09
to do here to do that. But.
18:13
Yeah. Now you can now uses. Open
18:15
up your app Zero! I definitely have
18:17
it was under reference to school. I
18:19
want to see a movie and the
18:21
facility will fall in love with movie
18:23
appear that split into a Battle Royale
18:25
two thousand film. Definitely. A
18:28
seminal. Movie. For a
18:30
lot of us and worth checking out. Okay
18:32
another like a set of in the vein
18:34
of post apocalyptic movies where people play games
18:36
where they kill each other in I'm So
18:39
Yes are also worth checking out or it.
18:42
Anyway, That is Some assume he's
18:44
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right. What we've been watching this week, let's get into it.
21:11
Jeff Kanata, you've been watching something that a lot of people
21:13
have been talking about. Paul's about
21:15
it. I
21:17
watched the entire first season of
21:19
Fallout. And you know, we
21:21
were talking about... That's hardcore, Jeff. That's hardcore. It's been a long
21:23
time since you watched one season
21:26
of a show in three days. In
21:28
three days. Jesus, amazing. Now, before
21:31
we get into it, we were talking about this a
21:33
little bit before we pressed record. And
21:35
I think a lot of people are talking about it. And
21:37
I think it bears bringing up. I
21:39
have come to the position, and I
21:41
suspect you guys agree, but I would love to hear your
21:44
opinions. But after
21:46
several years of living through the experiment,
21:49
I have come to fully
21:51
believe that releasing
21:54
an entire season of a
21:56
show on the same day is a bad
21:58
decision every time. Yes, it's
22:00
bad. For years
22:03
and years and years, we all grew up with, you know,
22:05
got to wait around to the day to watch the thing.
22:07
And we thought and then and then Netflix was like, Hey,
22:10
we're gonna try something else. Why would you do that? This
22:12
just watch it all just been you know, we're gonna put
22:14
it on the one day. And I remember when
22:16
that first happened going, that's
22:18
amazing. It's amazing. Really cool. I
22:21
don't have to wait anymore. And
22:23
thinking that might be this revolutionary
22:25
cool future, the future
22:27
and better, better,
22:29
right? Why? Why arbitrarily with
22:31
the shows finished? Why arbitrarily
22:33
wait? Just put it all out. Let
22:35
me watch it at my own pace. I
22:38
have completely, completely
22:41
turned 180 degrees from that
22:43
point of view.
22:45
And I just I really think it's
22:48
less fun on every
22:51
level for me. Like I watched this
22:53
whole show in like three days. And
22:55
it was it was great. But it
22:57
was drinking from a fire hose. I
22:59
don't remember where one episode ends and
23:02
then it starts. It's one big long
23:04
story. And that's fine. But compare
23:07
that to watching Succession
23:09
or The Bear or
23:12
any number of very also really thought once, by the way.
23:15
Was it? Yes. Oh, well,
23:17
I misremembered that. But other shows
23:19
that have been, you
23:22
know, I think the best
23:24
way to release a new show is
23:26
two or three episodes at
23:29
once. Yeah. And then weekly after that.
23:31
Yeah. Or even a handful of
23:34
episodes every week or so. Like if you want to
23:36
spread it out. But I'm just gonna
23:38
say this. I'll just say this in
23:40
response to that. I
23:43
think you were right that for people
23:45
like us, I agree that
23:47
the weekly release is optimal. Like we
23:49
like to think and talk and reflect
23:52
on it. You know, like, that's what
23:54
we appreciate. The
23:57
case for releasing
23:59
it once I think is
24:03
that my my
24:05
guess I would surmise is that the
24:08
data often show that when you release it at once people
24:11
more people get to the end and
24:13
that means it's more likely to watch
24:15
a second season when that comes out you know
24:17
and so on so let's not forget like when
24:20
Netflix started doing this they were the first to
24:22
do pretty much a ton of
24:24
on-demand streaming stuff so how do you stand
24:26
out right don't come back week to
24:28
week sit in front of your right computer
24:30
screen or whatever you were using at the time very slow
24:32
Rookus and just watch all this stuff
24:35
all at once so they needed that engagement Netflix
24:37
needed it to survive yeah but
24:39
but I truly culturally I agree
24:42
it's it's negative Jeff because shows
24:44
like The Bear or shows like
24:46
Fallout their cultural moment as
24:48
it were feels like it
24:50
passes by quicker as opposed to yes we're
24:52
talking about the show for months like well
24:55
you know can't have a conversation because
24:57
you don't know where anyone or wherever it
24:59
is in their journey yeah you know I
25:02
could say hey have you seen all of
25:04
shogun up till now right and have a
25:06
conversation about all of show guests that we
25:08
all know yeah and I will say fallout
25:11
has awesome episodic
25:16
trappings it has really
25:19
cool cliffhangers at the end of episodes
25:21
it has awesome sort of self-contained this
25:23
episode is about this that episode is
25:25
about that there's stuff that carries over
25:27
but they're really well
25:30
made our long
25:32
experiences but you'll never have
25:34
be able to have that conversation with somebody you'll
25:36
never I never felt like oh
25:39
wow I'm gonna think about what that means at the
25:41
end of this episode because I'm just gonna
25:43
click to the next one and I think
25:46
that's a loss I think that's a loss to
25:48
the creators that have put so much time and
25:51
effort into establishing those wonderful
25:53
hooks inside things and give each
25:55
episode its own identity in a
25:57
really interesting way and All
26:00
of that is washed away in
26:03
the malaise of seasonal
26:06
availability. You know, it's just unfortunate and
26:08
I think it's a failed experiment, honestly.
26:10
But in this case, you were like,
26:12
Om nom nom nom nom. But in
26:14
this case, you were just like, I
26:16
heard om nom nom. Yeah, I
26:19
mean, perhaps it's a bit hypocritical of me
26:21
to say. Well, it's there, right? You can't
26:23
blame it yourself for doing it. Yeah, the
26:25
mistake, quote unquote, has already been made. Why
26:28
not benefit from the results, right? Well, I
26:30
don't know if I benefited, right? I would
26:32
have preferred to spread that out. But I
26:34
also, there was a bit of a, I felt
26:36
pressure. Like, I want to see this before it's spoiled.
26:38
I want, you know, like, that was true. Like
26:41
the latest X-Men, like people were spoiling that
26:43
immediately when that dropped. And that's a weekly
26:45
release. But that was a weekly release. It
26:48
is. But Matt, now you're worrying about
26:50
the entire season's worth of spoilers rather
26:53
than one episode. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right.
26:55
So Jeff, that rants aside, which I
26:57
appreciate hearing. What
26:59
did you think about Fallout, the Prime
27:01
Video original series? Well, I am a
27:03
huge fan of the video game series. I'm
27:05
a huge fan of Bethesda games in general. I
27:08
love, you know, I love the Elder Scrolls series.
27:10
I love Fallout. Those are
27:12
some of my favorite game experiences,
27:14
these big sprawling role-playing game worlds.
27:16
And I've put hundreds
27:18
of hours into, you know, all
27:21
the Fallout, Fallout 3 and 4
27:23
particularly. And
27:27
I, as evidence for
27:29
the fact that I blasted through eight
27:31
episodes of the show, I thought this
27:33
was a home run, an absolute
27:35
home run. Really
27:38
unlikely. I honestly did not think it
27:40
could possibly be as fun and good
27:42
and compelling. When
27:46
I heard about this project happening, I thought, oh, here
27:49
we go. You know, it's another one of these. Let's
27:51
make a video game and do a show thing. I
27:55
am prepared to say that I think
27:57
Fallout is the most
27:59
impressive. impressive video game adaptation to
28:02
date now I Will
28:05
sing the praises of the Last of Us. I
28:08
think it's an excellent. I mean extraordinary extraordinary
28:12
adaptation extraordinary show But
28:16
much more straightforward Task
28:20
doing the narrative. Yeah, it's I
28:23
mean that game Aspires to be
28:25
a cinematic Narrative
28:28
a to B to C story right and
28:31
it is successful on a large extent
28:33
you know it it feels like a
28:36
series that you're experiencing it's interactive and you're
28:38
you know, you're doing a lot of mundane
28:41
things in video game collecting things
28:43
and crafting things and killing things
28:46
but mostly what
28:48
you're doing is experiencing this narrative that
28:50
is very specific to these characters and
28:52
the show faithfully Recreates that it also
28:54
added things and explored other things and
28:56
it did cool adaptation
28:59
stuff but What
29:02
fallout had to do and what it
29:04
does so successfully in my opinion? Isn't
29:08
that like it didn't there is no
29:10
one story of fallout There are these
29:12
games and they have main quests and
29:14
they have side quests But there isn't
29:16
like an indelible character that jumps out
29:18
There are archetypes and it is
29:20
very much a game series where you are you
29:22
are role-playing You are creating a character and
29:24
trying to play it how you want Well,
29:26
I also want to point out that fallout
29:29
is a series of games almost like a
29:31
dozen games And hundreds
29:33
and hundreds of hours of gameplay right like
29:35
last of us was almost like a one-to-one
29:39
Adaptation of the first game the first one
29:41
from the creators of the game Right, right
29:43
whereas like this is like there's so much
29:46
more material to choose from and as you
29:48
say Jeff Your character is
29:50
not nearly as defined as like the main
29:52
characters in life. You define it as the
29:54
player, right? You are imbuing it you have
29:56
all these options to play it in a
29:58
whole variety of different ways Right, that's the
30:00
whole hook of a role-playing game like that is you
30:03
get to decide what you want to do Which
30:06
is not the case in the Last of Us
30:09
and So what they
30:11
have done here so smartly I think is
30:13
first Made
30:16
the show about a number of different
30:18
characters all of whom you could have
30:20
been As
30:23
a player in the in the game series you
30:25
could have played things that you that these characters
30:27
do So you're getting a
30:30
bunch of different slices of what it was like
30:32
to play the game but more than that I
30:34
think what they do so so
30:37
well with this series is They
30:40
dramatize the world the
30:43
world that you inhabit in the game series
30:46
and I've often thought that the
30:49
sort of the sort of
30:51
goal with making a video
30:54
game into a movie or TV show
30:57
would be to make it feel like this
30:59
is the thing the game is based on
31:02
right like Not
31:05
so much owed so many of these
31:07
video game adaptations like the Doom movie
31:09
and you know other other lesser
31:12
efforts Are really
31:14
sort of fan-servicey and they're trying to give
31:16
you the video game stuff In
31:19
service of that and it kind of makes the movie
31:21
feel less than and I always thought man the goal
31:23
would be hey This
31:26
this is so good. It makes the video game
31:28
seem like it's based on this, right? But
31:31
that's but I'm eating my words now
31:33
because that's not at all what
31:35
fallout does instead fallout is look
31:38
at how rich and interesting and
31:41
Goofy and fun and hilarious
31:43
and over the top and
31:45
weird The
31:47
world is and look
31:49
at how many cool things we
31:51
can bump into That are that
31:53
were already defined by this world
31:55
the world that the creators of
31:57
fallout to their credit recognized that
32:01
there is a joy in being in
32:03
this place. And
32:06
so they plop you into a bunch
32:08
of different characters that are in this
32:10
place in various capacities and are exploring
32:13
different corners of this really interesting world.
32:15
And they weren't afraid
32:18
to embrace what
32:21
is silly about that
32:23
world, what kind of doesn't make sense
32:25
about that world. The things that are
32:27
quirky and weird and even video gamey,
32:30
but embracing all of it
32:32
and throwing it all onto the
32:34
show and letting
32:36
those, that tone, I'm
32:38
so impressed by the tone of the show because
32:41
there is definitely a
32:43
temptation, I would assume, in
32:47
talking about a post-apocalyptic video game
32:49
series to make it gritty
32:52
and real and... And
32:55
that's not what Fallout is, right? Fallout
32:58
is really funny. And
33:00
this show is really funny. It
33:03
has so much like Sam Raimi
33:05
DNA in the show, the gory,
33:07
goofy, over the top, that
33:11
kind of like something horrible
33:14
and disgusting happens, but
33:16
it's hilarious also. And
33:19
also the story is awesome. The final
33:21
episode has such great payoffs. It
33:24
has so many awesome cameos from people from
33:26
a lot of comedic actors
33:28
that you'll recognize. Throughout the series,
33:30
it was awesome. I'm
33:33
just so impressed by the show. It looks
33:35
like it was very expensive. And
33:38
almost all of it worked for me. I just
33:41
had a blast watching it and I blasted through
33:43
it. So I know you guys have been watching
33:45
too. I'm curious what you think. Yeah, Devendra, what'd
33:47
you think of Fallout? Yeah, I think it's fantastic
33:49
for everything you're saying, Jeff. I do wonder, Jeff,
33:51
did you ever check out the Halo TV show?
33:54
I watched a couple of episodes of the first season
33:56
and I haven't watched any of the second season. Yeah,
33:58
kind of the second season. same with that. Which
34:00
was, it's interesting to see like
34:03
how these adaptations differ, whereas that one was
34:05
like, hey, you got Master Chief, but they're
34:07
also actually doing something different with
34:09
the narrative and like what they, what you would do with
34:11
a Halo property. I think it
34:13
just didn't feel like Halo, whereas this one does
34:16
really interesting narrative stuff, but feels like
34:18
a Fallout game. It feels like, yeah,
34:20
you were just controlling those characters. But
34:23
also, I like these characters. Like
34:25
I think they're just fun to follow. They're really
34:28
interesting. Opening with Walton Goggins on a
34:30
scene with his young daughter before the
34:33
bombs drop is just perfect.
34:35
Because who else to bring you into an
34:37
insane world like this? But Goggins, like I
34:39
will follow that man anywhere, no matter what
34:41
role he plays. And he is absolutely
34:44
perfect. The batting average for
34:46
series has got to be... Top
34:49
team. Extraordinary. Extraordinary. Extraordinary. Except for
34:52
the unicorn. Justify the shield, the
34:54
righteous gemstones. Yeah. Yeah.
34:56
I don't talk about the unicorn. You never watched
34:58
his sitcom, The Unicorn. But I'm... Listen, I watched
35:01
an episode or two of that. It is the
35:03
most baffling thing in the world. Maybe
35:05
his people told him, like, yeah, you should
35:08
do a sitcom. You're likable, right? Right?
35:10
A single dad who takes care of
35:12
his kids? That's a unicorn, right? Yeah.
35:14
Wild at that show even exists.
35:16
But I love him here. I
35:19
love Ella Purnell's character. I love
35:21
the people who just show up.
35:23
Like, what's his face?
35:27
Who plays her father? Tom
35:29
McLaughlin appears. Just
35:32
perfect. The exact perfect face you want from
35:34
there. Zach Cherry, an actor I love
35:36
and a whole bunch of stuff. I
35:39
think the cast is great. Like
35:41
you're saying, the tone is good to you.
35:43
But it's propulsive in a way that is
35:45
interesting and compelling. Whereas I'm looking
35:47
at like three body problem. I'm like that, I
35:50
never felt momentum in that show. Even though it's
35:52
throwing so much at you, it's a lot of
35:54
like, I don't, okay, sure. You're throwing plot at
35:56
me, but I don't care why a lot of
35:58
this is happening. Whereas this is like just... super
36:00
compelling. So yeah, excellent adaptation.
36:03
Yeah. Uh, so I'm
36:06
very positive on it. I would,
36:08
the show covers three separate characters.
36:10
It's like following three main characters.
36:13
I don't think all three of them are equally interesting. Got to
36:15
put that out there, but maybe that will change. I've only seen
36:17
a few episodes. I think the
36:19
cast is really good. And
36:22
I really enjoy the tone. Maybe the
36:24
post-apocalypse can be occasionally funny is what
36:26
the show asks. And that
36:28
is great considering all the times
36:30
when we've seen the post-apocalypse be
36:32
a huge bummer, guys. I mean,
36:35
uh, the, uh, what do
36:37
you call it? The, the show, the
36:39
silo. That's another show that came out recently.
36:41
Very similar. Right. It has people, I
36:43
mean, similar in terms of the premise, post-apocalyptic
36:46
wasteland, people living underground in these
36:48
huge silo slash vault things. One
36:51
of these shows is way more fun and enjoyable to
36:53
watch than the other. You know, you
36:56
brought up the fact that we're going to
36:58
get a Borderlands movie this summer. I kind
37:00
of feel like this show might be eating
37:02
its lunch. Absolutely. And that's like a famously,
37:04
I do, uh, a failed adaptation, apparently. Like
37:06
they, there are multiple directors involved at this
37:09
point. Sounds like a disaster. So. But Borderlands,
37:11
I mean, the video game is like, what
37:13
if the post-apocalyptic was hilarious? Yeah. I'm wondering
37:15
if it's going to feel redundant now that
37:17
that fallout is so good. A
37:19
hundred percent. I mean, the one thing that
37:21
might save it is, uh, Kate Blanchett, you
37:24
know, like, okay. I kind of want to
37:26
see what Kate Blanchett in a
37:28
Borderlands movie. That is inherently interesting to me. Right.
37:30
I agree. You guys haven't seen that trailer, right?
37:32
Yeah. I haven't seen the trailer, but oh buddy.
37:35
Oh yeah. Yeah. But, but Kate Blanchett
37:37
is in the movie and asking, why
37:39
is Kate Blanchett in this movie while
37:41
watching this trailer? Tarr is in the movie. You
37:44
know, what is Tarr going to do in a
37:46
post-apocalypse? I'm, you're curious. Uh,
37:48
anyway, so overall
37:50
I'm a fan of the movie of the show
37:52
fallout on prime video. And
37:55
yeah, it's, it seems to be
37:58
like universally beloved. And, uh, something
38:00
that yeah go Jeff I love
38:02
the look and feel of the
38:05
show to it the art direction
38:07
is really fun there
38:09
is a level
38:11
of superficiality to everything that
38:14
could very much not work like
38:17
it it doesn't attempt
38:19
to make things look
38:22
you know we are already in
38:24
an alternate earth before any kind of
38:26
right you know apocalypse that's what's cool
38:29
about it is like it the the
38:31
show imagines like what if I think
38:33
it's the 60s right what if we're
38:35
like in the 60s 50s or 60s and we
38:39
had all this weird alternate more
38:41
futuristic technology back then and then
38:44
the apocalypse happens like yeah it's
38:46
like all of those you know
38:49
World's Fair like what the 50s
38:51
thought the future was gonna be
38:53
like all that kind of that kind of look yeah what
38:55
if we had robots but they you know they were you
38:58
know what the 50s thought a robot was gonna
39:00
look like all that stuff and that's like in
39:02
the in the game you kind of just get
39:04
it into like you playing
39:07
a video game you need to accept so
39:09
much stuff right oh yeah okay whatever it's
39:11
all wacky you know 50 60
39:13
propaganda posters that's fine but like in a show
39:16
that's a much bigger ask and I think the
39:18
show does pull that off very well you know
39:20
like yeah and and the
39:22
art direction goes so far in
39:24
making that work and even you know there's there's
39:27
a lot of CG in the show but
39:29
there's also a lot of practical
39:31
like goofy fun like
39:33
I said like Sam Raimi style
39:35
you know severed heads and and
39:38
body parts and there's even
39:40
the CG monsters I
39:43
think intentionally look like their puppets you
39:45
know it's CG but it's made like
39:47
you could see where the hand you
39:50
know and I think all of that
39:53
is so smartly executed because again that
39:55
can fall flat on its face and
39:57
feel really wrong or
40:00
too cheesy, but it's just the
40:03
right amount of cheesiness to sell
40:06
this notion of what this time, what
40:08
this place, what this alternate history is
40:10
all about. And I'm just
40:12
so impressed. The music is awesome. It
40:14
uses a lot of period, like old
40:17
50s and 40s
40:20
record Americana,
40:23
an old cowboy singing a tune. It's
40:25
steeped in that and the video game
40:27
was as well, but it's so expertly
40:30
leverages all of those things
40:33
to sell the
40:35
notion of this place, which is not it. Like
40:38
you said, not an easy thing to sell. Yeah.
40:40
Yeah. Anyway, worth checking
40:43
out. Jeff has seen
40:45
the entire season already and Devinger and I
40:47
are partway through the season. I will say
40:49
I hope you guys finish it. I
40:51
think the end is awesome. I
40:53
really thought it paid off. I
40:56
mean, ultimately it's structured like a role
40:58
playing game. It feels like you're playing a role
41:00
playing game. There's like a main quest and people
41:02
get siphoned off into side quests
41:04
and there's even a line Goggin says at
41:06
one point, like the one, the golden rule
41:09
of the wasteland is thou shalt be sidetracked
41:12
into useless bullshit or something along
41:15
those lines. I butchered that.
41:17
But anyway, basically it's like what video game
41:19
players have dealt with forever. It's like, you
41:21
know, your dad is missing. Go
41:23
find him. Well, but also there's all these
41:26
other problems I can do it and the
41:28
show embraces that. It's
41:31
just it's so, so
41:33
well done. And it really feels like
41:36
a celebration of what I loved
41:38
about the video game brought
41:40
to life. It just feels
41:42
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been your hardwar. Hit us up with someone
43:02
else you've been watching. Yeah, I've got another
43:04
adaptation for you and another excellent one.
43:06
That's The Sympathizer on Max. This
43:09
is a show, CoShow Run, by
43:12
Don McKellar and Park Chun Look. And
43:14
we have been seeing trailers for this
43:16
forever. It's based on a very famous
43:19
book, too. I believe it's a Pulitzer
43:21
Prize-winning book. Basic
43:23
concept. I don't know if you want to hear this, Jeff,
43:25
but the basic concept is it's about a double agent. Somebody
43:30
who the Viet Cong planted in the
43:32
South Vietnam Army, he ends up
43:34
escaping to the U.S. when the
43:36
country falls apart and continues to report
43:39
back to the Viet Cong. That is the show. And
43:41
it is very much... I've
43:43
only seen the first episode, so I don't know how deep it's
43:45
getting into things. But
43:47
just like this overall premise and seeing these
43:49
characters, the lead has no actual name. Everybody
43:51
just calls him the Captain. He's played by
43:53
Hua Shwande. And he is an incredible... presence
44:00
because he is somebody who is
44:02
fighting for the north is fighting on behalf
44:05
of communists in Vietnam, but also is
44:08
there in the south and is surrounded by people
44:10
who are coordinating with America and Everybody's
44:13
trying to like win freedom in their own
44:15
way as well But yeah,
44:17
I find the show just really really fascinating.
44:19
It's a gorgeous looking show It
44:22
is definitely another instance of like like
44:24
decision to leave where Park Chun-Wook is just having
44:26
fun With the camera like there
44:29
are so many really interesting zooms
44:31
and really interesting
44:33
camera placement there'll be like a Guys
44:36
like lighting a cigarette and it will like
44:38
zoom into the cigarette and then the cigarette
44:41
becomes like a flare in the sky You
44:43
know the flare the sky do all these
44:45
wild transitions, which is very the show opens
44:48
with like somebody somebody speaking through like a
44:50
jail Cell window like those tiny ones and
44:52
the camera pans back immediately to perfectly frame
44:54
the characters It's very much like 70s
44:58
You know paranoid thrillers, you know,
45:00
like I think like it's very much
45:02
those things. I think it's really fascinating
45:05
It's also covering, you know a slice
45:07
of history in Vietnam from a perspective We don't
45:09
normally get to see because normally we see America,
45:12
you know invading Vietnam We see what
45:14
happens from other perspectives not necessarily the
45:16
people on the ground And
45:18
I think this is just kind of fascinating. It's fascinating to
45:20
see somebody who has Anti-american
45:22
sympathies basically being the person that's
45:24
starring in the show and being
45:26
somebody who is trying to wrestle
45:29
with a sort of look not
45:32
quite love but a sort of admiration
45:34
for what America can do but also
45:36
a Loyalty to his own country and
45:38
communist, you know beliefs as
45:40
well. So it's just fascinating.
45:43
It's a really fascinating character study I've only seen
45:45
one episode but even that feels like a movie
45:47
because so much happens in there So if you're
45:49
a fan of part-time look, I
45:51
think this is far better than his other the other
45:53
TV show He was attached to that was a little
45:55
drummer girl and you know
45:58
That was not as interesting Although it had a really
46:01
cool lead. Yeah, this is definitely
46:03
worth watching and yeah, I'm digging it I hope
46:05
I hope the entire series kind of lives up
46:07
to this first episode. I agree
46:10
with the Vinger hardware on this one This
46:13
is an extremely good show. I think
46:15
the Vinger is actually even underselling it. I
46:17
mean great this Double-plus
46:19
show that stars Academy
46:22
Award winner Robert Downey jr. I didn't even
46:25
mention him. But yeah, he's in multiple
46:27
roles, right? Oh, and so he's
46:29
great. We got Park Chan Wook
46:32
who? Probably just barely
46:34
missed out on an Academy Award nomination for a
46:36
decision to leave last year But
46:39
he's doing his thing and it looks
46:41
like a Park Chan Wook movie There's
46:43
many yeah directors who like a
46:45
show up on TV and they direct a TV episode and it
46:47
doesn't look like You can't attribute
46:49
it to their work and it's like this looks like
46:51
a Park Chan Wook movie The
46:54
main actor they got is obviously also incredible. It's Really
46:57
really good and we
46:59
are just blessed with a amazing TV right now It
47:01
is kind of wild like how much good content we're
47:04
getting and of course a lot of this was made
47:06
During early pandemic stuff too. So if we're
47:08
seeing a flood of content that has been slowly
47:10
been made over the last few years I guess
47:12
we're yeah, we're just being inundated now. I
47:15
strongly recommend it. It's the sympathizer It's streaming
47:17
right now on max the one to watch
47:19
for HBO and it is releasing week to week
47:23
All right, I want to talk about something I've been
47:25
watching this week I
47:28
got a message from Home
47:33
to the show dank of Austin now in
47:36
the past dank of Austin has had I'm
47:40
not gonna say he's had a hundred percent hit rate but
47:44
Every movie he has recommended in strenuous terms
47:46
to us has been extremely
47:48
interesting or it's been very provocative There
47:52
was the three someone right
47:54
three someone He
47:58
would almost have a dog in like batting
48:00
average, but for that one
48:03
movie. What was that threesome movie?
48:06
Uh, I want to just, um, there
48:08
is no I am threesome. I think is the name. I
48:10
think that might be right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He recommended this
48:13
movie called there is no I am threesome. That
48:15
movie was terrible. Uh, like
48:18
actively infuriating movie. Yeah. But
48:21
I think the re that then prompted
48:23
him to have to redeem himself. And
48:25
I think he recommended, uh, beyond the
48:27
infinite few minutes, which is one of
48:29
my favorite movies of all time. Now,
48:31
Jeff has made almost his entire personality.
48:33
Um, he
48:36
recommended, uh, what do you call it? The,
48:38
the show about the show, which we somehow
48:40
became part of in a
48:42
very weird and unfortunate way. Uh,
48:45
and so when Dank of Austin makes a recommendation,
48:48
uh, I take
48:50
notice. Yes, indeed. And he sent me a text
48:52
and he says, you have to go see this
48:54
movie. It is called
48:56
hundreds of beavers. It
48:59
is one of the most extraordinary movies I've ever seen.
49:03
And that's it. I cannot wait to watch this. I cannot wait to
49:05
watch an article about it. Now, hundreds of beavers has
49:07
been touring around the United States and
49:10
you, like you can, if
49:12
you have a chance to see it in theaters,
49:14
you should, cause seeing it with a crowd is
49:17
really interesting. I saw it at the Sif cinema,
49:19
Egyptian, uh, and with like a pretty big audience.
49:21
And I will just say, Jeff
49:24
is about to watch this week. So I'm going to be
49:26
very big. And yeah, like
49:29
take my, just
49:31
get a piece out for like 30 seconds. Suffice to say
49:34
hundreds of beavers is a movie about, uh, what
49:39
it's almost impossible to describe what it's about. It's like,
49:42
it takes place in the frontier of America,
49:45
but it's about like the
49:48
misadventures of one guy interacting
49:50
with nature. That's what the whole movie is
49:52
about. But what's incredible about the
49:54
movie is it's all done
49:57
in a very DIY. style,
50:00
like using what
50:02
appears to be Adobe After Effects and
50:05
a bunch of people dressing up as animals. And
50:08
that's the whole movie, is like this guy
50:10
going on these adventures with these animals and
50:13
using like really basic
50:15
CG digital effects
50:18
to achieve it. It is so
50:21
funny, so creative, so
50:24
much work looks like
50:26
it went into making this movie. And
50:29
it is an incredibly un-commercial movie, like
50:31
it's in
50:33
black and white, I don't remember the
50:35
aspect ratio, I think it might be 4x3, like there is no
50:37
hope that this movie is going to make like 50 million dollars
50:40
in the box office. But
50:42
it will be a cult classic, it will be a
50:44
movie people talk about in a long time. It is
50:47
one of the most boldly original films
50:49
I've ever seen, and
50:52
I recommend it. So
50:54
that's hundreds of beavers, it
50:56
will be available on video
50:58
in demand, I think in the next week or two. But
51:01
if you have a chance to see it in theaters, you
51:04
should go watch it. Dan Gavozin wins
51:08
again. Redeem himself. He
51:11
keeps the hits coming. So hundreds
51:13
of beavers, Jeff Kanata in particular,
51:16
you need to watch this movie. I cannot
51:18
wait, I'm watching it at my earliest opportunity.
51:20
I've been looking, searching for it to come
51:22
to the Denver area, I have not seen
51:24
it come through so very excited about that.
51:26
It is a movie that I like, for
51:29
reasons I'm not even going to say, Jeff, because
51:31
I know you don't mean to spoil anything, it
51:33
is a movie that is very configured for your
51:35
sensibilities. And I'm
51:38
looking forward to hearing what you think about it. So hundreds
51:40
of beavers, that's a movie I've been watching this week. Alright
51:43
Jeff, hit us up with something else you've
51:45
been watching. Well yesterday morning,
51:47
Sunday morning, lying
51:49
in bed, my children
51:51
run in at 6 o'clock in
51:54
the morning, run and leap onto the bed, I
51:57
groggily open my eyes.
52:00
And they start screaming daddy daddy. There's a
52:02
new bluey today's the day a new bluey
52:05
is out Yeah, so
52:07
we all curled
52:09
up in mommy and daddy's bed turn
52:12
on the TV in the bedroom and Watched
52:14
the two new episodes of
52:17
bluey one is called ghost basket
52:20
And it is a regular sort of eight-minute
52:22
long blue episode and
52:24
then the other one very special Episode
52:27
called the sign which is for the
52:30
first time a full half an hour
52:33
episode of bluey If
52:35
you've been listening to the show for any period
52:37
of time, you know Devendra
52:40
and I are huge bluey fans here I
52:42
I think I think bluey is in my
52:45
favorite television shows of all time And
52:48
it's right near the top and that's not
52:50
kids shows. That's not there's no qualifier
52:53
It's just one of the best shows ever
52:55
made on every level an
52:58
animated show about a family of dogs
53:00
living in a world of dogs and
53:03
it is insightful beautiful
53:07
heartfelt Exquisitely
53:09
made it's something so
53:11
good that you can't help but think this
53:13
cannot last right right this this
53:15
greatness You can't be so creative and so
53:17
meaningful and emotional like write such great characters
53:19
and stories You can't keep this up forever.
53:21
So that is on my mind as I'm
53:24
watching these, you know These final ones goes
53:26
back to the guy by the way came
53:28
out last week Jeff So that was like
53:30
a precursor which kind of hinted that we're
53:32
it sets up the sign Yeah, and so
53:35
the sign really does feel
53:37
like it could be a
53:40
series finale They
53:42
have come out and said that is not the case. There
53:44
will be more bluey I I
53:46
can't imagine they would stop now. It is
53:48
really kind of hit its Peak
53:51
of popularity. I mean it's all over the world and
53:53
you know, it's huge. We say they were there was
53:56
a bluey in the Thanksgiving
53:58
Day parade, you know, it's like it's really gotten
54:00
very mainstream and you go to toy
54:02
stores and there's plushies and action
54:05
figures. And so I'm sure you
54:07
know, there's a lot of pressure to keep it going. So there are 150
54:10
episodes over 150 at this
54:12
point. And those are all distinct stories. Even
54:15
though they're short, there's a
54:17
lot of work that goes into every one of
54:19
those seven minute episodes. So yeah. And I think
54:21
there's a talk about batting
54:23
averages. That's our refrain this week batting
54:25
average or more refrain at least. Um, the
54:28
batting average for a blue episode is, you
54:30
know, just unmatched. Like there's so many home
54:33
runs in those 150 episodes
54:36
to keep that level of quality. There must be
54:38
an enormous amount of pressure alongside the fact that
54:40
the two main little girls,
54:43
I, they have been very precious about
54:45
holding back the identities of the actors
54:47
that play them. I suspect pretty sure
54:50
multiple kids have played them at this
54:52
point. Well, I don't know. I, I,
54:54
I suspected the creators, actual kids, but
54:57
I'm not sure. They've kept
54:59
that a secret. The, they
55:02
have clearly aged over time. You can, and
55:04
the characters of Bluey and Bingo, the two
55:07
girl daughters, uh, have aged,
55:09
uh, in the animation. It's not like the Simpsons
55:11
where they're just perpetually the same ages. Um,
55:14
so I suspect there's a pressure to kind of
55:16
make as many as they can before these kids
55:18
age out. I don't know. Regardless
55:20
of that, this
55:22
really does feel like it could be a
55:25
series finale. And I'm very, very grateful that
55:27
it sounds like that's not the case, but
55:29
my goodness, is it a crescendo for
55:32
anybody that has invested time in this
55:34
universe and this world? It, I
55:36
was bawling by the end. Um, spoiler
55:39
for the premise of this episode, but
55:42
the idea is that the, the parents
55:44
Bandit and Chili have put
55:46
the, their house up for sale and
55:48
Bandit has gotten a job in a
55:50
different city and they're going to move
55:52
away. Uh, and that happens
55:54
alongside the wedding
55:57
of his brother, Rad,
55:59
Bandit's. or excuse me, yeah, Brandon's brother,
56:01
Rad. And
56:04
that was set up in its own episode. There's
56:06
an episode where he meets the girl that he's going
56:09
to marry, that they both were babysitters, the girls
56:11
in the same night. And the girl's voiced by Claudio
56:13
Darity, by the way, who I love in everything,
56:16
so yeah, amazing. This episode has
56:18
a bunch of cool cameos. Joel Rodgerton
56:20
plays the character. Rose Byrne comes back,
56:22
Rose Byrne is Chili's sister. Yeah, it's
56:25
just so beautiful. And there's all
56:28
these payoffs for little things
56:30
that have never been sort of the central
56:32
thing. There's a kid whose dad
56:34
is getting a divorce that we've kind of
56:37
seen hinted at over the time. And he
56:39
finds somebody else to fall in love with.
56:41
And like in one little shot, you see
56:43
them like shopping for a house together. There's
56:46
all these just beautiful
56:48
little world building payoffs
56:51
of stuff, a character,
56:54
I won't spoil anymore. It's
56:57
just so masterful. Beautiful
57:01
on a number of levels. It's
57:04
sort of about not
57:06
knowing if the future
57:08
is going to be good or bad, and sort
57:10
of having to be okay in the not
57:12
knowing. And as with
57:15
all Bluey episodes, it feels like there's a
57:17
life lesson to take away from it, a
57:20
beautiful sort of way
57:22
to think about the world that they've
57:24
found in the storytelling. And
57:26
I mean, I was bawling by the end
57:28
as somebody that moved. Yeah, like clockwork, right?
57:31
Yeah, like clockwork. As somebody
57:33
that moved from one
57:35
location to another with my children, that's kind of what
57:37
this central idea is about, the
57:40
girls are worried about leaving their home, the
57:42
home that we've seen through all these episodes.
57:45
It's such a special show. And I
57:47
know we've talked about it a number
57:49
of times, but it bears repeating. This
57:52
is truly a
57:57
lightning bolt, a unicorn. is
58:01
literally every aspect of it,
58:03
the voice acting, the animation,
58:05
the music, the look and
58:08
feel, the storytelling,
58:11
there is not one aspect
58:13
of this that is below just
58:17
magnificence. It's truly a
58:19
special show. It's really the emotional maturity, which
58:21
is what I think really sells the show
58:23
to because it's not just good entertaining kids
58:25
programming. There is a lot of stuff for
58:27
the parents. The sign in particular, I think,
58:30
also as a parent who uprooted my family
58:32
and moved to a totally different area, that
58:34
is anxiety inducing and terrifying. You
58:37
don't know if you're doing the right thing. I'm
58:40
just vaguely talking about the idea that
58:43
maybe we can move back to New York at some
58:45
point. And my daughter is like, I don't wanna leave
58:47
this house. This is my favorite house. And that's
58:50
going to be tough. And then
58:52
this goddamn episode made it
58:54
a lot tougher. So yeah, there's
58:56
a lot going on. Tremendous
58:59
stuff. If you wanna get Bluey, I mean,
59:01
you can watch the first episode, some of
59:03
the choice ones. Was
59:05
it like sleepy time from the first
59:07
season? But really it's like a few choice
59:09
episodes. And this one will really give you
59:11
a sense of what Bluey does. And this
59:13
is incredible stuff. And you could just feel
59:15
like I was watching on Twitter, everybody was
59:17
watching it during breakfast or early Sunday morning.
59:20
All the parents were like, I don't need this right
59:22
now. Thanks, Bluey. Thanks a lot.
59:24
But yeah, another masterful episode. Good job, guys.
59:28
That's Bluey the sign. And it is
59:30
something that Jeff and Devendra have been
59:32
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right, David, you're on hardware. Hit us up with something you've been watching this
1:00:12
week. Oh, yeah, I finished The
1:00:14
Tokyo Vice season two, which is a show
1:00:18
you guys need to watch. This is
1:00:20
another one of those of like, hey,
1:00:22
there's an incredible thing on TV right
1:00:24
now. Ansel Elgort learned
1:00:26
Japanese over like six months to fluently
1:00:28
even speak in the language. Ken Watanabe
1:00:30
is a cool ass detective in Tokyo
1:00:32
Vice. Like this show is doing some
1:00:34
amazing stuff. It has Michael Mann vibes
1:00:36
because Michael Mann was a, I believe,
1:00:38
an exec producer early on. He did
1:00:40
the pilot. Yeah, he directed the pilot.
1:00:44
Yeah, so season two of Tokyo Vice. I
1:00:46
think season one was a lot of
1:00:48
fun and really interesting and intriguing
1:00:50
because it was essentially about a
1:00:52
Western American man going to be
1:00:54
a journalist at Japan's top newspaper.
1:00:56
And that has never happened before. Based
1:00:59
on the book by Jake Adelstein and, you
1:01:01
know, he is somebody who lived through this
1:01:04
life. Like he reported on the the Yakuza.
1:01:06
He made friends with policemen while he was
1:01:08
there being this like lone Western journalist over
1:01:10
there. And
1:01:12
the show kind of takes that and just
1:01:14
brings in a lot of like really interesting
1:01:16
gangster and Yakuza intrigue. But
1:01:19
also there's a deep side of like journalism
1:01:22
to it too and the power of journalism.
1:01:24
I think season two leans more on that
1:01:26
than season one did. And season two is a lot
1:01:28
more focused. It does more, does better work with some characters
1:01:30
who I think are kind of annoying. There's
1:01:34
a woman named
1:01:36
Samantha Porter, who is
1:01:38
basically a hostess. We
1:01:41
meet her as a hostess in Japanese clubs in
1:01:44
the first season and she becomes a hostess owner
1:01:46
by this season or a club owner. And
1:01:49
I think in the first season her character was all over
1:01:51
the place. Like if I told you what
1:01:53
her backstory was, you
1:01:56
would say it's ludicrous. Like this doesn't belong to TV. This
1:01:58
seems like bad writing. I
1:02:00
think season two even turns around her character and makes
1:02:02
her more interesting and less annoying too. So this
1:02:05
is a tremendous show doing some incredible
1:02:07
stuff on TV and shot entirely pretty
1:02:09
much in Japan except for some episodes
1:02:11
this season. It
1:02:14
is just really good stuff. It has
1:02:16
a lot to say about journalism, but
1:02:18
also shows how journalism
1:02:20
and media works differently in Japan and how the
1:02:22
criminal system works differently. It's also just really compelling
1:02:25
with great actors and it's a lot of fun.
1:02:28
I don't know how many other shows
1:02:30
you can find like Yakuza Gangster singing
1:02:32
Backstreet Boys, just kind
1:02:34
of singing his heart out. It is
1:02:36
definitely the Michael Mann thing of guys
1:02:38
who have feelings. There are a lot
1:02:41
of guys, they have a lot of feelings,
1:02:43
they're all really compelling. You should watch Tokyo
1:02:45
Vice. So season two just ended. It has
1:02:47
not been renewed for a season three. My
1:02:49
understanding is this is a series finale of
1:02:51
the show. There's no confirmation, but the showrunner
1:02:53
J.T. Rogers, I believe, is like, yes, we
1:02:55
have ideas. We know what we can do
1:02:57
if we get more time. This is one
1:02:59
of those things where I hope, even if
1:03:01
Max doesn't do Tokyo Vice, I hope it
1:03:03
gets somewhere else. Because it is such a
1:03:05
unique thing. It's well
1:03:07
worth watching. If you've liked any of my
1:03:09
recommendations along these lines, definitely check out Tokyo
1:03:11
Vice, especially if you're Michael Mann head. All
1:03:15
right, that's Tokyo Vice season two on Max, the
1:03:17
one to watch for HBO. It's something else that Vinger Harder has
1:03:19
been watching. I want to
1:03:21
mention a movie I've been watching
1:03:23
on Netflix called Scoop. I
1:03:26
want to ask you guys this question. What
1:03:29
is the worst interview you've ever done? Personally?
1:03:32
Conducted or given? Either one. But
1:03:34
I will tell you that probably
1:03:37
the worst interview I've ever conducted was,
1:03:40
I believe, Sam Rockwell
1:03:42
promoting Iron Man 2. And
1:03:46
he literally... I don't want to talk
1:03:48
about this. It
1:03:50
was like a 7.30am interview and he literally sounded
1:03:53
like he had just woken up and didn't know
1:03:55
what was... Did not give a
1:03:57
shit about what was actually going on the day. I'm sure he's
1:03:59
a very low- I've
1:04:01
no, but it's just like, he's
1:04:03
doing like 18 of these in one day. The press
1:04:05
mail is not kind to talent. Right, right. So it
1:04:07
was, uh, I was
1:04:10
like, Oh, wow. And you know, you get into it. You're
1:04:12
like, clearly you're not enjoying yourself. Why don't we just stop
1:04:14
this right now? You know, like that's kind of what you
1:04:16
want to say. Um, but you guys
1:04:18
like to get a coffee. Yeah. You guys
1:04:20
have a bad interview that you have given or
1:04:22
received. I
1:04:24
don't know about given. I've definitely, I mean, I've talked
1:04:26
about the Matthew Vaughn one. I've never a couple of
1:04:29
actors like, I don't, you know, they just weren't ready.
1:04:32
Like that's just how it is. So I don't blame them too much. Um,
1:04:35
I think the Matthew Vaughn one was the one where he was just like an
1:04:37
outright jerk. Yeah. So there's that. Yeah.
1:04:41
So not a Jeff, any interview. I'm sure I've done
1:04:43
both. I'm sure I've had, I've definitely been
1:04:45
interviewed by people where I'm like, but
1:04:48
putty, uh, come on. Let's, uh,
1:04:51
let's do it. And I, I'm sure I've,
1:04:53
I've interviewed, I did nothing is leaping to
1:04:55
mind, but I'm sure I've been in excruciating.
1:04:58
Any, you know, the, the whole process of
1:05:00
doing a junket interviews is
1:05:02
just not fun for anybody on
1:05:05
any either side of it. Well, a lot of
1:05:07
times you'll find some nugget of, of, of joy,
1:05:09
uh, and talking to somebody, but oftentimes it's, it's
1:05:11
just sort of boring and
1:05:14
rote. Um, I had
1:05:16
nothing leaps out as a good
1:05:18
anecdote to give you. I apologize. No
1:05:20
worries. Um, well guys, imagine taking
1:05:23
part in an interview that is so terrible
1:05:26
that it makes international
1:05:28
headlines and two separate streaming services
1:05:30
make a movie about that interview.
1:05:34
That's essentially what happened to Prince Andrew in
1:05:36
2019 when he was interviewed, uh, for
1:05:39
news night. And
1:05:41
the purpose of the interview, ostensibly
1:05:44
was to, uh, kind of
1:05:46
come clean with regards to
1:05:49
Prince Andrew's association with Jeffrey
1:05:51
Epstein, the disgraced convicted, now
1:05:53
deceased sex trafficker. Uh,
1:05:56
and so he goes to the interview. Now, do you guys, have you guys have any,
1:05:58
like, your perception of this
1:06:00
interview? Do you know anything about this interview? Oh
1:06:03
yeah, I remember it being a disaster. Yeah, I know
1:06:05
of it, but I don't think I've ever seen it.
1:06:09
It's a fascinating interview and honestly if you are ever interested
1:06:11
in the subject, not saying that you will be in the
1:06:13
near future, just just go watch
1:06:15
the interview. I think that's a better use of time than
1:06:19
watching this movie. This movie is really
1:06:21
only for people who are
1:06:23
really into the crown. If you're into the
1:06:25
crown, this is like a great follow-up
1:06:28
for the crown, we just now over. It's like
1:06:30
a spin-off movie. Right, no, no, no. It's like
1:06:32
a coda to the whole crown
1:06:35
situation. And if you're listening to this
1:06:38
podcast and you enjoy the crown, I
1:06:40
think you will enjoy scoop. But
1:06:43
if you do not, then do
1:06:45
not watch this movie. I don't think it's, it
1:06:47
does not do enough to
1:06:49
kind of hook you
1:06:51
from a, like, just a plain old
1:06:54
movie perspective, but also explain the
1:06:56
context around what was even going on. Like,
1:06:58
you need to kind of know why this
1:07:00
is important at all in order to enjoy
1:07:02
this movie. But yeah,
1:07:05
a couple things to do I mentioned though, Gillian Anderson
1:07:07
is in the movie and she's always great, so it's
1:07:09
great to see her in anything. She plays the journalist
1:07:12
who was interviewing Prince Andrew and she does a great
1:07:14
job and I'm a big fan of Gillian Anderson. Rufus
1:07:18
Sewell played Prince
1:07:21
Andrew. Wild position.
1:07:24
Again, and because he's like Prince Andrew for those who
1:07:26
don't know, it's kind of like a doughy dude
1:07:29
in real life. And Rufus Sewell literally
1:07:31
is like the king of England or something. Not
1:07:35
a doughy dude. And so they use like prosthetics and
1:07:37
I think some kind of suit to make him look
1:07:39
like Prince Andrew. And I have to
1:07:41
say they did an okay job of it. Like
1:07:43
they did a pretty decent job of it. I
1:07:45
heard an interview with him where he was basically
1:07:47
like, you know, I gotta look for roles where
1:07:49
it's not just my looks almost like, cuz he
1:07:51
is so beautiful. Yes, he's a very good-looking man.
1:07:53
He's like, okay, let's let me play doughy and
1:07:55
older. So yeah, so those are some interesting things.
1:07:57
So hard for him. The
1:08:00
like I think I wonder woman who
1:08:02
stars in no three body problem like
1:08:04
on interviews are like everyone says, I'm
1:08:06
to attract others as are lots Yes
1:08:08
I asked my i mean no such
1:08:10
thing blows over I love her everything
1:08:12
and services. She's. Going to be and
1:08:15
I still be in a for sort of
1:08:17
isaac and source of the average user may
1:08:19
be around Ministry of or Gentlemen under Am
1:08:21
only work as well. Sushi within Mr. Mrs.
1:08:23
Smith for one episode. so yes anyway. Ah,
1:08:27
scoop. Not. Not
1:08:29
a great movie but if you like the
1:08:31
crowd you're into the roles of is there
1:08:33
is stuff that we're sick enough I then
1:08:35
you know it's the see where I was
1:08:38
stupid that I went rewards the entire interview.
1:08:40
I mean the most bizarre claim made during
1:08:42
the interview is. It's stuck
1:08:44
with me like all these years
1:08:46
later is there. Is this? A.
1:08:49
Clean. Like this woman accuses him of. Ah,
1:08:52
having sex with her and. While.
1:08:54
She's been trafficked an easy to see. She
1:08:56
describes him as like. You. Know we
1:08:58
went to a nightclub it he he density with
1:09:00
sweaty and disgusting that's what she said about him
1:09:03
and then he said well that's actually not possibly
1:09:05
see because I can't sweat. Because.
1:09:07
I was a sustained an injury during the
1:09:09
Falklands have prevented me from sweating. That was
1:09:11
like. Ah, Well done,
1:09:13
smelly and be a few a d
1:09:15
Not that was like the trump card
1:09:18
of like a ha and mostly ended
1:09:20
up with people's is not believing that
1:09:22
claim system will three seconds very easily
1:09:24
disappear. Really bizarre claim. to me it's
1:09:27
a sling. sorry you had to go
1:09:29
right? Well five and I'm like what
1:09:31
he and others are. It's a real
1:09:33
thing. I think it's called the N
1:09:35
Hydro sister. Suppose it's a real thing.
1:09:38
Can be real? exactly? Very dangerous thing.
1:09:40
Yeah yeah yeah, but like it's. But
1:09:43
the way it came out the tail end of
1:09:45
other similarly yeah lady sounding claims in the next
1:09:47
to them as being a producer on the city
1:09:49
there by went to raise the lamps up a
1:09:51
her has a little more one are over there
1:09:54
of the one of his claim was it could
1:09:56
slip back then apparent yeah sealed now. So oh
1:09:58
one of the things the head. Very
1:10:00
good video by the pay for what was happening
1:10:03
is. About. The interview
1:10:05
that's about the movie that takes a
1:10:07
really nice is ah I guess spoiler
1:10:09
first scoop. But. When
1:10:12
the interview is done. All
1:10:14
the people of the royal family or like
1:10:17
super psyched about as I offer he disagreed
1:10:19
on nailed it like nailed it and then
1:10:21
everyone at the Bbc is like literally like
1:10:24
sitting with like adrenaline because they know they
1:10:26
have got the grew out of their life.
1:10:28
When is this is go We go completely
1:10:30
destroy this person and so they like careful
1:10:33
only transporting the drives that a player in
1:10:35
a leg and fuller him and it's like
1:10:37
he does. you know. If
1:10:40
the way that everly mess up a
1:10:42
press opportunity never heard of it has
1:10:44
has a reminder movies as a as
1:10:46
a separate as shot that's that's going
1:10:48
around his social media right now have
1:10:50
a. Ilan. On the red
1:10:52
carpet in our rights. Of
1:10:54
is everything is he has seen. it was posing.
1:10:57
Moon. I target. Insists. That he
1:10:59
could just tell see things. He see things
1:11:01
as really green nailing rights rights and literally
1:11:03
every other person is like. Or
1:11:06
this is going so viral as a
1:11:08
as an. Investor
1:11:10
and us that is Scoop. It
1:11:12
is available right now on. Netflix.
1:11:15
Or it that's going to bring a scene of what was
1:11:18
watching. Let's get a weekly plugs. Weekly.
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Plugs the part of So We Take
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were reports of that also be making
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1:11:57
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1:12:00
But like just the amount of stuff
1:12:02
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1:12:05
It's a lot. It's a lot. And so yeah, I
1:12:07
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Boss. Let's. Get to our view. Of.
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Alex Garland Civil War
1:15:18
States. Army.
1:15:24
Forces as well as the. Uprising.
1:15:29
Dealt with swiftly. Let me know sometimes
1:15:31
aren't as aware of it's like a.
1:15:33
Pretty. Huge Civil war going on all
1:15:35
across America. and
1:15:37
south with what we see on the news
1:15:40
like it has a bass. Welcome
1:15:46
to the Film Cast Review of Alex
1:15:48
Garland Civil War. I'm going to be
1:15:51
the plot summary from the Internet In
1:15:53
a dystopian future America, a team of
1:15:55
military embedded journalists races against time to
1:15:58
reach Washington D C before rebel factions
1:16:00
descend upon the White House. Or.
1:16:03
I let's just get into it boasts of in your
1:16:06
heart Or what did you think of this movie? So.
1:16:09
I did love it and I didn't expect
1:16:11
to because I like you guys like I've
1:16:13
been watching the trailer for this guy been
1:16:15
like anticipating like what was coming and let
1:16:18
me to say just the pitch for this
1:16:20
movie Be early! Trailers were just like. That.
1:16:22
As a suffering from my nightmares from later
1:16:24
this year, you know, like that's the stuff
1:16:27
that they could happen around the election time
1:16:29
ages. Feel sick like we're so close to
1:16:31
this. it's almost too soon to even be
1:16:33
exploring an idea like this. and I wondered
1:16:35
if Alex Garland could pull it off. I
1:16:37
think the dude is genius. I've loved pretty
1:16:39
much all of his products except for men.
1:16:41
Men certainly had me worried because that was
1:16:43
sort of like. I think
1:16:45
see had some interesting ideas there. He
1:16:47
thought he was exploring bat better. It
1:16:49
felt like he didn't quite focus on
1:16:52
whatever the main concept of that movie
1:16:54
was supposed to be disrupt little tubes
1:16:56
use for me, where is this I
1:16:58
think is kind of fascinating. I'm. It's.
1:17:01
A horror movie? Like. It's it's It's a
1:17:03
terrifying look at something that feels very possible.
1:17:05
In. America today I'm it's getting a lot of
1:17:08
flak for for being supposedly a political and
1:17:10
I don't think it actually is and we
1:17:12
can talk about some the stuff in spoilers
1:17:14
because I do think like there are things
1:17:16
you can glean from what is being said.
1:17:18
Here are the patrol, who the president and
1:17:20
how things go down. There are. Tidbits:
1:17:23
Of information you could pull here by think what's
1:17:25
interesting is the he does make a movie where.
1:17:28
He. Level What a liberal person or progressive
1:17:30
person was watching this and a conservative
1:17:32
person watching this can both come away
1:17:34
with their own ideas for how maybe
1:17:36
the Civil War came about, the and
1:17:38
how things went down so that it's
1:17:40
kind of interesting. For
1:17:43
me, it's what's really powerful. It's
1:17:45
it's just. It is
1:17:47
about the dehumanization of war. And
1:17:50
I also think it's a somewhat helpful take about.
1:17:52
What the crazy people the
1:17:54
truth tellers and potentially journalists
1:17:57
could do to help. It
1:18:00
is both. Fit. A
1:18:02
movie that's really cynical like that's the thing
1:18:04
is really cynical about the possibility for them
1:18:06
to do that. But these people who I
1:18:08
align myself like I do journalistic work certainly
1:18:10
not to the level of this amount of
1:18:13
work reporter. but I do. Serve.
1:18:15
I believe that. There.
1:18:17
Has to be people who are who are
1:18:19
out there trying to seek out the truth
1:18:21
and trying to share it with everybody with
1:18:24
the added officer a true hope. I don't
1:18:26
know if it's like a actually a thing
1:18:28
but with the hope that maybe the stuff
1:18:30
they document could saints the world or change
1:18:33
people's minds or something I'm I feel like
1:18:35
my me take away from this movie like
1:18:37
wheat we may just be doomed but the
1:18:39
truth sellers will keep trying and in a
1:18:42
weird were found that hopeful. Because.
1:18:44
Right now many things are making me feel
1:18:46
hopeless. Oh yeah, I love this movie. I'm
1:18:48
certainly there's a lot you can argue about
1:18:50
like in terms of what it portrays it.
1:18:52
Definitely it took footage from like I'm in.
1:18:54
I'm conservatives that we don't we don't want
1:18:56
to see stuff from but I also think
1:18:58
like it's a doing really for thing things
1:19:00
here. I will say Alex Garland is not
1:19:02
helping himself with his press to her because
1:19:04
the more he talks about this movie I
1:19:06
think the less. Interesting. His
1:19:09
own ideas are but where he's created
1:19:11
is a fascinating and I think I'm.
1:19:14
At an important work of art for America
1:19:16
today. Wow.
1:19:19
Of se I I agree with you about
1:19:21
the part where it's cynical I kind of
1:19:23
disagree about many of the take was it
1:19:25
depends on how you define hope and what
1:19:28
I find out for i felt I was
1:19:30
then find it I found it incredibly bleed
1:19:32
and not it is blink but if i
1:19:34
like i personally and I have like anti
1:19:36
hope I would argue but anyway. Get.
1:19:39
And ultimately and like we can talk
1:19:41
both rose but I'll i a garland.
1:19:43
Stuff like you look at the end
1:19:45
of X market or something like see
1:19:47
almost looks at something like an alien
1:19:49
looking at humanism rated engine. Hope is
1:19:51
a really strange thing to him, right?
1:19:53
Rent? Just another. Your. Thoughts on
1:19:55
Civil War. will days i
1:19:57
guess you could say my thoughts on
1:19:59
Civil War are best summed up in
1:20:02
the form of a limerick. All
1:20:04
right, let's hear it, Jeff. Actually, I have two. Whoa.
1:20:07
Yeah, I had a hard time this week. Are they warring
1:20:10
limericks, Jeff? Yeah, one on
1:20:12
one side. Oh, it's a blue
1:20:14
limerick and a red limerick. No,
1:20:16
I jest. Here's
1:20:19
the first one. So Garland
1:20:21
makes the decision to never
1:20:23
explain the division. But
1:20:26
when life gives you lemons, just watch
1:20:28
Jesse Plemons. The why ain't
1:20:30
so hard to envision. Uh-huh. Plemons
1:20:35
is real good in this movie. Plemons is real good. Yeah, he
1:20:37
is. He's awesome. Not in
1:20:39
a lot of it. I wonder how you got attached to this movie, right?
1:20:41
Yeah, very good. His wife? Yeah, yeah. What
1:20:44
a power couple those two are. Yeah. What
1:20:46
a second one. If you're keeping political score, the
1:20:48
point is the horrors of war. What
1:20:51
these characters do, their detached point of
1:20:53
view is what I wish
1:20:56
it tried to explore. So
1:21:00
it's fascinating hearing David talk about it. I
1:21:03
also came
1:21:05
away really appreciating
1:21:08
the movie. And I
1:21:11
thought it was an incredible movie and one I'd
1:21:13
recommend people see. It is harrowing.
1:21:16
It is bleak. It is, I
1:21:18
mean, I came out of it depressed.
1:21:23
It is an endurance test in
1:21:25
a lot of ways. The
1:21:27
movie is almost, I
1:21:31
mean, it's a road movie in a
1:21:33
lot of ways. And like any road
1:21:35
movie, even comedic road movies, it's sort
1:21:37
of episodic, right? It's like this thing
1:21:39
happens and then we're in this place
1:21:41
and this thing happens. And it's almost
1:21:43
like a series of short stories that
1:21:45
are interconnected or just sort
1:21:47
of strung together. And
1:21:50
I think each of those little short
1:21:52
stories is extremely powerful and
1:21:55
extremely compelling. Where
1:21:57
I think the movie comes up short for me
1:21:59
is. not in its quote
1:22:02
unquote a political nature or its
1:22:04
lack of sort of coming down on a side I
1:22:07
I think that criticism misses the
1:22:09
point to a certain extent because What
1:22:14
where I think it comes up short is in The
1:22:17
central characters that we are spending the most time with
1:22:19
this in this movie the people who are on that
1:22:21
road trip the
1:22:23
journalists The
1:22:26
movie seems to be playing
1:22:28
at or teasing a An
1:22:34
observation about what it is
1:22:36
to observe right the people
1:22:38
who stand back and Don't
1:22:42
are trying to be impartial and just
1:22:44
observe What's
1:22:46
their role right? What
1:22:49
is what is that notion of? Of
1:22:52
I'm simply here to record it I'm
1:22:54
not going to be involved in it and
1:22:56
where does that line sit and I just
1:22:59
don't think the movie Has
1:23:01
any teeth in that regard right
1:23:03
in that? notion
1:23:05
that it seems to want to wrestle
1:23:07
with this this like how much do
1:23:10
you involve yourself how much how
1:23:12
much of of you is inherently
1:23:15
part of The reporting
1:23:17
how much of you is inherently part
1:23:19
of the observation, but it
1:23:21
never quite gets there for me That
1:23:24
said I don't think that I
1:23:27
came away thinking the movie failed because
1:23:31
everything in it is so Powerful
1:23:34
and so well executed. I mean
1:23:36
it really there are sequences that
1:23:38
will be in my imagination for
1:23:41
a long time that feel so visceral
1:23:43
and moving and intense There
1:23:46
there is an impact to all of it
1:23:49
That is undeniable and
1:23:52
you do feel like you are inside an
1:23:55
all too plausible reality of Violin
1:24:00
It's an aggression and blind
1:24:02
hatred that I do think.
1:24:06
I. Don't know if it's a mirror, but
1:24:08
it's certainly is A. Signal.
1:24:11
Flair in a lot of ways. It's it's
1:24:13
it's a it's a warning sign and. I.
1:24:17
Think for that if it succeeds.
1:24:19
But I don't think on a bike
1:24:21
is kind of pure movie level. It
1:24:25
succeeds. For the
1:24:27
characters that I'm actually following
1:24:29
like it's it's It's more
1:24:31
about the world and and
1:24:33
it really does traffic in.
1:24:36
And I think the. Advertising Campaign:
1:24:38
The marketing campaign around it has
1:24:40
trafficked in. All. Of
1:24:42
the. Unrest that we all
1:24:44
feel no matter what side of the
1:24:46
political aisle your on. A
1:24:50
A, Them and a movie really isn't
1:24:52
that. It's a different thing. It's any.
1:24:54
it is still a powerful thing. And
1:24:56
I think it is still worth seeing and
1:24:59
will. Affect you.
1:25:01
But. In a different way
1:25:04
than what I think is being advertised and
1:25:06
and I and I and separate from that
1:25:08
I think. He kind
1:25:10
of fails on a certain level
1:25:13
of just pure like character. Pay
1:25:17
off. And yet for all
1:25:19
of that, I do think it's a worthwhile
1:25:21
movie. And eight and a. Powerful,
1:25:24
One. Yeah. I mean, the
1:25:26
also gives us a glimpse at how
1:25:29
people who willfully ignore everything happening around
1:25:31
them be sure of how. People.
1:25:34
His will still come together because he
1:25:36
came to have to like. It is
1:25:38
all those facets of what happens when
1:25:40
war hits the country and I think
1:25:42
that perspective of it as I found
1:25:45
really really meaningful. Roy said
1:25:47
that that level of them,
1:25:49
business as usual, were sort
1:25:51
of like the month danity
1:25:53
of Of of War I
1:25:55
think lands. In. A different
1:25:57
way having gone through Cove it.
1:26:00
You know where we all were like
1:26:02
this is Bizarro world but also. I.
1:26:04
Have to pick my kids to the park or what are you know?
1:26:07
whatever to I'm still we still need to like. Have
1:26:09
loved me. You know we have my trailers with
1:26:12
body bags in. I'm in New York City benoit
1:26:14
people are still like going to the coffee shop.
1:26:16
You know that? I've also heard I've been to
1:26:18
places where is more like. A
1:26:20
right. We're not even a think
1:26:22
about it. It's different from even being
1:26:24
in the middle of it acknowledging everything
1:26:26
that's happening but corners of Georgia in
1:26:29
places I've traveled just like our people
1:26:31
just don't didn't care, just completely ignored
1:26:33
it and that this that felt that
1:26:35
ring true as well. I
1:26:38
think the three of us have like.
1:26:41
The same overall reaction to this
1:26:43
movie but like very different specific
1:26:46
reactions like. I also think it's
1:26:48
worth watching. I think there's some
1:26:50
sequences that are really well done.
1:26:54
Alex Garland is really good at directing
1:26:56
kind of horror thriller sequences and he's
1:26:58
pretty good at directing action sequences and
1:27:00
then about nine or not. A lot
1:27:02
of his movies have not been like
1:27:05
accident rate like. Ex
1:27:07
Machina and Man and. And.
1:27:10
Annihilation have not have a ton of
1:27:12
action in them and I listened. Possible
1:27:14
exception, but like there's some like straight
1:27:16
up. Action scenes in this movie
1:27:18
and they are really well done in my
1:27:20
than like thrilling. You're on the edge of
1:27:22
procedure, gripping your chair. you know like just
1:27:24
really well done stuff. Cast
1:27:27
is also great. As you guys have discussed
1:27:29
Kirsten Dunst plays the protagonists and silly. And
1:27:32
See does a really good job of convincing
1:27:34
you that she is a character that has
1:27:36
seen some shit in her life. The Ah
1:27:38
Jessi Clemens. Suits highlight of
1:27:40
the mood for me. You know all
1:27:42
the catholic rid of the like. Overall
1:27:45
unlike. You know, pretty
1:27:47
positive on the movie. But.
1:27:51
I am really irritated by the
1:27:53
thought of as a fan of
1:27:55
a i think that's. i
1:27:58
mostly agree with jeff this
1:28:01
is a movie that is not a, it's
1:28:03
a movie called Civil War. It's not about
1:28:05
the Civil War, like, and that's pretty
1:28:08
weird, I think, to have a movie
1:28:10
to invoke all this imagery, to have
1:28:12
a fascist president and all this stuff
1:28:15
and to invoke all that stuff. And
1:28:17
then to not really have that much
1:28:19
to say about the specific politics in
1:28:22
America that are creating this, the potential
1:28:24
for this situation. Yeah, I've thought about
1:28:26
that. In my opinion, in my opinion.
1:28:29
Now, it is about
1:28:31
other things that are interesting. And
1:28:33
in my opinion, it does a good job of being about
1:28:36
those things. It's about how
1:28:38
war compresses things, right? Like
1:28:40
it's not, when you are
1:28:43
in war, as the characters in this movie are,
1:28:45
no one talks about the specifics because it doesn't really matter,
1:28:48
right? And like that guy is shooting at me. Right. So
1:28:50
I have a guy shooting at me, I got to shoot
1:28:52
at him back. You know, like that's all that matters, right?
1:28:55
And that is like a good
1:28:57
observation and a good insight that like is
1:29:00
worth sort of pulling
1:29:02
out of this. The other thing, as
1:29:05
both of you have mentioned, is that it's
1:29:07
really about the role of the observer and
1:29:09
what that is. And I actually disagree with
1:29:12
Jeff that I think it did a
1:29:14
pretty good job of doing
1:29:16
that. You know, there's a line
1:29:19
early on this film
1:29:21
about what the role of
1:29:23
the war photographer is. And
1:29:25
somebody says like, you know,
1:29:27
there's basically like a young apprentice
1:29:29
in this movie who is like tagging along
1:29:32
with Kirsten Dunn's character. And so,
1:29:34
you know, like why I can't believe you
1:29:36
just took a picture of that, you know, like somebody
1:29:39
says something like that. And then it's like, it's not
1:29:41
like, didn't you want to help? Didn't
1:29:43
you want to do X, you know? And it's like, it's
1:29:45
not our job to ask questions. It's our job to take
1:29:47
the pictures and then let other people ask the questions. Right.
1:29:50
And I think that notion is never interrogated in that. I
1:29:55
think spoilers, Jeff. Yeah, that's where I disagree with
1:29:57
Jeff. There's a thing that happens. But I think
1:29:59
this. This is the movie
1:30:01
is trying to do literally that. The
1:30:04
movie is trying to be like, here is
1:30:06
an imagined scenario of what might
1:30:08
happen and it's up
1:30:10
to you to ask the question. Detach something
1:30:12
else, I'm not gonna tell you what I
1:30:15
think about any of this shit. It's up to you to, you
1:30:17
know, and so, and I, you know, again,
1:30:19
you might find, I find that somewhat
1:30:22
annoying at least for a variety of reasons, but
1:30:24
I do think the movie does a pretty decent job
1:30:27
of like, of being
1:30:29
the observer that the characters in the
1:30:31
movie are as well, so. I would
1:30:33
rather take this than something like a
1:30:35
movie I was thinking of while watching
1:30:37
this is Don't Look Up. You
1:30:40
know, a movie that is specifically like, hey
1:30:42
you, you watching this, you
1:30:44
think this is dumb too? I also think
1:30:46
this is dumb. We both think this is
1:30:49
dumb. And all your worldview, totally supported. I'm
1:30:51
gonna spoon feed ya everything you want. And
1:30:53
to me, that is the dumbest thing you
1:30:55
could do. And I'm very glad this movie
1:30:57
did not even try to do that. Alice
1:30:59
Garland as a director and as a writer
1:31:01
is good at detachment, good at
1:31:04
detaching the characters, I guess,
1:31:06
from, you know, behaviors we typically expect, but
1:31:08
also like good at detaching himself as an
1:31:10
artist too. It's a tough thing
1:31:12
to deal with. And I will say like, I don't, there
1:31:15
are things you can read into what is in
1:31:17
the movie, but it's just not spelling it all
1:31:19
out for you. You know, like there are things
1:31:22
we can talk about, about the president that is
1:31:24
in this movie played by Nick Offerman. So
1:31:27
let's get the spoiler. Let's talk about some of this
1:31:29
stuff. Yeah, go ahead, Jeff. Let me just say, you
1:31:31
know, I don't, you guys know,
1:31:33
I don't agree with the characterization of don't
1:31:35
look up as being as insipid as you
1:31:37
do. But that said, I
1:31:39
do agree with the general
1:31:41
observation there, which is
1:31:43
I do think that a
1:31:45
lot of people, at least sort of
1:31:47
in the comment sphere,
1:31:51
have taken this movie to
1:31:53
task for like not echoing their personal
1:31:55
worldview back at them. And
1:31:58
I, I
1:32:00
do think that is to this movie's credit
1:32:02
that it isn't doing that and I think that it's
1:32:04
a really interesting It's a
1:32:06
really interesting line to walk that exactly
1:32:09
what you're saying Dave, which is Garland is
1:32:11
doing the thing the characters in his
1:32:14
movie are attempting to do which is
1:32:16
hey isn't all of this absurd isn't
1:32:19
All of this horrible, you know and and
1:32:21
any way you slice it if we get
1:32:23
to this point and we're almost to this
1:32:26
point This
1:32:28
is all gone horribly wrong and I think that's
1:32:31
you know, I think that's don't agree Yeah, I
1:32:33
mean, you know, there's a lot of disagreements going
1:32:35
on in the podcast today. That's cool But like
1:32:37
I don't agree that like certainly
1:32:39
not my main issue is that it does
1:32:41
not echo my worldview My issue
1:32:43
is the movie does
1:32:45
not have a worldview despite
1:32:48
invoking extremely loaded imagery and
1:32:50
concepts, right? If
1:32:52
it had a worldview then I could
1:32:54
at least respect it more But
1:32:57
the problem I think is that the
1:32:59
loaded concepts Sort
1:33:01
of the baggage of it Assumes
1:33:05
a worldview. Mm-hmm, right? But
1:33:07
the movie just isn't interested in that. It's doing something
1:33:09
completely different I so I again I have more to
1:33:12
say of this one. Let's get the spoilers Okay, then
1:33:14
we'll talk about so let's get the spoilers for this
1:33:16
But I just want to say I don't agree with
1:33:18
Jeff's characterization of like that. That's my
1:33:20
one of my main I'm not I'm not a true
1:33:22
man. That's you. Okay. Yeah, I'm it's here. Sure. Sure.
1:33:24
I specifically All right.
1:33:26
Well, anyway, let's get the spoilers for this movie starting right
1:33:29
now This
1:33:31
does have an ending for my book. It
1:33:33
makes no damn sense Pills
1:33:35
me though. I didn't come here to tell you how this
1:33:37
is going to end But I'm my new book.
1:33:39
I always read the last page first that way
1:33:41
in case I'd not be worth finishing And how
1:33:43
it is you can't handle the truth It's conceivable
1:33:45
that came here to tell you how it's going
1:33:47
to begin Uh,
1:33:52
all right I mean I am Like
1:33:56
I Think that. The
1:34:00
idea of only it doesn't matter how we
1:34:02
got here like it's all about like that's
1:34:04
that's little literally I think what the movie
1:34:06
is I don't I don't think that's her
1:34:08
focus. I don't think this basis I'm Alan
1:34:10
you Vm app that the base of the
1:34:12
release of. A. Who the different
1:34:14
factions in the Civil War are is like.
1:34:17
Really? Hard to square with. What?
1:34:19
Is actually goes on American rhetoric so
1:34:21
it's like. California and
1:34:24
Texas other western forces and like it's
1:34:26
like really with they've really be united
1:34:28
as if this was actually happened roof
1:34:30
and there's like a southern alliance with
1:34:32
I for another man. I think it's
1:34:34
nonsense. Like my opinion is, it's nonsense
1:34:36
and ah well as a lot. Yeah.
1:34:38
That allows you to. Not
1:34:41
pay attention to be specifics of the movie and
1:34:43
focus more on the sofa We already talked about
1:34:45
like what is the role the war photographer? What
1:34:47
is the impact of war? How do people benefit
1:34:49
profit from more? How to people tell stories? But
1:34:52
we're like. That. That's ultimately what
1:34:54
of the movie ends up being. I think
1:34:56
importantly the movie itself does not do much
1:34:58
of that explaining right. They talk about wrecked
1:35:00
the western front but you have to look
1:35:02
at like the marketing materials or Garland don't
1:35:04
like exploits of the things that I am
1:35:06
honestly like Ives, I've seen some of that.
1:35:08
I disagree. I think the movie work better.
1:35:11
As the saying he created without any
1:35:13
the background because I can think of
1:35:15
separated because. What? We
1:35:17
are watching. Humor in Spoilers
1:35:19
is I'm we're seeing a
1:35:21
Trump coded President. Leading
1:35:23
America into a third term. Several.
1:35:26
States separating be like we. We cannot
1:35:28
support this insanity. That president what we
1:35:30
know in the movie has attacked American
1:35:33
civilians with airstrikes in other things. So
1:35:35
other. Some. Parts of America
1:35:37
are responding to that, so I don't think it
1:35:39
is entirely like doesn't matter how we got here.
1:35:42
The. Fit the things you can like.
1:35:44
read from it is. We're. Introduced
1:35:46
to this guy like trying to I'm
1:35:48
where his speech right working In a
1:35:51
speech about the the the biggest. The
1:35:53
biggest. The compliments accomplishment in history or
1:35:55
something. We were coming up with big
1:35:58
words to talk about. The thing. You're
1:36:00
doing and I find you know.
1:36:03
I found that from coated in and tell
1:36:05
it's just the it feels like that is
1:36:07
kind of how we got here, but he
1:36:09
doesn't need to be like saying exactly like.
1:36:12
This guy is your trumpet l degrade.
1:36:14
The skies are trump parallel. You still feel
1:36:16
this way about it. It's more like were
1:36:19
responding to everything he's doing. Other things he's
1:36:21
done I think are like legitimately in
1:36:23
the film. I says it's not
1:36:25
about of i'm reacting in this way it
1:36:27
or not a bad point of your and
1:36:29
also like you could also bring up to
1:36:31
supplements character who I think is clearly coded
1:36:33
as like a white nationalist right? like it's
1:36:36
and and like it's the movie has those
1:36:38
things like or but they're very around the
1:36:40
edges and as you said like. It's
1:36:42
it's so much you and you can read and you
1:36:44
know and like create a whole version of it but
1:36:46
like good that's you is of you're bringing that And
1:36:48
I did either. I don't think this is thoroughly through
1:36:50
I think I'm looking or at. I'm just
1:36:52
looking at the text there. I mean, we aren't
1:36:55
yet. We are reading into the things into the
1:36:57
tax, but I think that's what's fascinating about a
1:36:59
movie like this. and being truly observation right like
1:37:01
be seen with some. I think one of the
1:37:04
most compelling scenes in this movie is the one
1:37:06
about when they are trapped behind the trucks and
1:37:08
there are those two soldiers. The. Snipers
1:37:10
and that's places like we. we
1:37:12
kind of don't know exactly why
1:37:14
this is happening but for their
1:37:16
suiting us we gotta shoot them.
1:37:18
Also passing the see like they're
1:37:20
they're dress with like colored hair
1:37:22
and painted painted nails and stuff
1:37:25
too like we don't know what
1:37:27
to read about those soldiers the
1:37:29
clearly like they have. yeah they're
1:37:31
not like we would imagine that
1:37:33
has been sold or something so.
1:37:36
I think the movies selling of things in a
1:37:38
lot of ways but it's not being explicit about
1:37:40
it and that's I mean that's a problem that
1:37:42
can be from to I think honestly that. The.
1:37:46
Ina were who is? It's it's
1:37:48
natural because them marketing trafficked in
1:37:50
this and yes and leveraged. It's
1:37:52
it's natural. the think of this
1:37:54
is trying to tell us what.
1:37:57
The. Day after tomorrow looks like thrive. This
1:37:59
is the. Is a plausible.
1:38:02
You know, Near. Future.
1:38:05
Ah, Horror Horror Show.
1:38:07
But. The Movie. Is
1:38:09
really attempting to establish a
1:38:11
fictional world that does not.
1:38:14
Does. Does not. Pattern.
1:38:16
Onto our world just a in any
1:38:18
in any way And I think that.
1:38:21
I totally understand how that can be frustrating
1:38:23
to you Dave and I think freshly into
1:38:25
a lot of people and for me at
1:38:27
a certain point I just sort of. Let.
1:38:30
That go and realize ultimately just
1:38:33
isn't interested in commenting on the.
1:38:37
Our world. Are. World
1:38:39
in that regard, World Specific.
1:38:41
Political. Environment Retirement
1:38:44
Exactly right? Yeah, it really
1:38:46
is making a sort of
1:38:48
broader points. That.
1:38:51
I'm. Not even sure is one hundred
1:38:54
percent successful. But Right is. Is it? It's
1:38:56
it's it's a difference. It's a different movies
1:38:58
and everything about it would lead you to
1:39:00
believe yes, which is either. In Part of
1:39:03
the problem is that. They. Were
1:39:05
so the marketing team was certainly happy
1:39:07
to ride the wave of yes so
1:39:09
soul. Oh here we go. This is
1:39:11
the movie that's going to tell his
1:39:13
was all going to be like if
1:39:15
that's not that this is not that
1:39:18
movie at all. Yeah, I'm the movie
1:39:20
mother We gotta be minus cinema score
1:39:22
which is. Pretty rough, you
1:39:24
know, like a lot of doing incredibly well at
1:39:26
the box office. We are. Let's see what the
1:39:28
second week in numbers are like, you know? but
1:39:30
I think I think that it's it's one of
1:39:32
the twenty fourth most successful box of his movies.
1:39:34
yes and I can't discount that. I don't know
1:39:36
work. I saw a messenger your religious with the
1:39:38
drops going to be because I don't like a
1:39:40
lot of people, just saw the market can be
1:39:42
thought it would be about this and it's really
1:39:44
not about that, you know in mud or it
1:39:46
and so. but I know that's what's kind of.
1:39:48
Ask me what I would rather have this then
1:39:50
a street. A Polemic, writings. That's my major thing.
1:39:52
I went into theater. To see this and
1:39:54
it was them. One of the more
1:39:56
crowded screenings I been in for something
1:39:59
that about like a ten thirty pm
1:40:01
on a Saturday or know, Friday screaming
1:40:03
and. I. Live in Georgia. I.
1:40:05
Don't know what people are. assuming.
1:40:07
I don't know what they're coming in. See.
1:40:10
I'm surrounded by like to send different. Gun.
1:40:13
Clubs and shooting ranges and things like that.
1:40:15
like I see Trump flags everywhere in my
1:40:17
neighborhood, all over the place. If. I.
1:40:20
Was thinking how weird. To.
1:40:23
Have a movie where we can all come in. Maybe.
1:40:25
They don't feel like conservatives will
1:40:27
not feel specifically attacked. The.
1:40:29
Maybe it's sparks an idea. You.
1:40:32
Know in them about something like to me
1:40:34
that is powerful in interesting is interesting. We
1:40:36
can often come to this movie only maybe
1:40:38
have our own interpretations of things like they
1:40:41
reference and and chief A Massacre. And.
1:40:43
And all they say yeah, is that
1:40:45
a massacre oven to have a T
1:40:47
for? I just saw that has been
1:40:49
that's all they say for and and
1:40:51
use the viewer if you like while
1:40:53
year. Maybe. You're reading your own
1:40:55
thing into it's and that. That's what I found
1:40:57
though. That's what I thought. Yards and yards you
1:40:59
guys like thought that was cool. Like a i
1:41:01
was just so. Profoundly. Irritated
1:41:03
by because it just it just throws
1:41:06
in turn this blender of all this
1:41:08
like political buzzword like hot button issues
1:41:10
of like fastest supreme president and people
1:41:12
massacre like all this of and then
1:41:15
it has. It's as it doesn't
1:41:17
make any statement about any of those. It
1:41:19
is specifically just the Ultra. You know sometimes
1:41:21
you liked him as you like alternate universe
1:41:23
like if this movie did this and differently
1:41:26
like imagine if is movie was about it
1:41:28
Completely fictional war between the Centros and this
1:41:30
is the meds like these two warring factions
1:41:32
in and it took with a hundred years
1:41:35
the future it be like. Okay
1:41:37
and it's is. It would be able
1:41:39
to retain ninety nine percent of what
1:41:41
of is trying to say. About.
1:41:43
Warren battle and be a but it wouldn't
1:41:45
do it if. But. My Way
1:41:47
or the or whatever to the me to
1:41:49
be hundreds of your bum that my then
1:41:51
when is like like like okay it could
1:41:53
it could still say the same things with
1:41:55
it uses all this loaded imagery. In
1:41:58
ways that I think garlic. Irresponsible,
1:42:00
Sue Strong base is like it. If you're gonna
1:42:02
do all that, you should at least try to
1:42:04
say something about. it. Might be nearly enough. Mit
1:42:06
the doesn't. It has some say about other stuff,
1:42:08
as we've already discussed. Saudi. I will.
1:42:10
I know. harder than that. I honestly don't. I.
1:42:13
Don't. Really disagree with
1:42:15
that. I think it's it's a
1:42:17
weird seeing to leverage all of
1:42:20
yeah, all of that stuff. And
1:42:22
and be like hey, it's available, it's all
1:42:25
our rare so I gonna lose. It was
1:42:27
like whoa, what are you using it for
1:42:29
What I'm using it to talk about These
1:42:31
journalists and they're like as a way, what
1:42:33
was right Because everybody's freaking vital to the
1:42:35
running around. Like right? exactly. And as soon
1:42:38
as you said your, he's like kind of
1:42:40
like observer like like all the others. weird
1:42:42
subs gone on America. Let's us throw this
1:42:44
in their level little bit further. Like. I
1:42:47
think it. I think it's own comments are kind
1:42:49
of betraying was but he does strike me for
1:42:51
my own. Conversations with him is like see is
1:42:53
he feels like a human being but does not
1:42:55
live on our planes of existence. Of
1:42:58
see is like one of those like genius level dudes
1:43:00
who was like this out there. thinking.
1:43:03
We're. Both on his own like he
1:43:05
is, We're. Talking to him is
1:43:07
kind of kind of weird. and while because he
1:43:09
is this like endlessly fascinating as a person so
1:43:11
like as an artist like I had six, I
1:43:14
give him the benefit of doubt I shouldn't do
1:43:16
that all the time I'm in. His own comments
1:43:18
are kind of like added know like kind of
1:43:20
dumb around this movie but also. I.
1:43:22
Think he's an interesting enough artist that
1:43:24
he is still hitting and something that
1:43:26
I find to be really passing your
1:43:28
legs. If you're saying it's not saying
1:43:31
anything about the journalist like not being
1:43:33
part of the story. Well, Kirsten Dunst
1:43:35
character does become. Part. of the story at
1:43:37
the end. That. Amazing sequence where she's like
1:43:39
i can't I gotta save a girl yeah
1:43:41
stupid girl that it's getting. It's us into
1:43:44
situations that heart harm all of our friends
1:43:46
of war two week but her final act.
1:43:49
Is. To betray the thing that she was saying
1:43:51
the entire time is like. Just. Observe.
1:43:53
She couldn't just observe. You
1:43:55
know and I'll frequents admins. Are you going to
1:43:57
take a picture of of of my death wish?
1:44:00
You know, Kirsten Dunst could have done
1:44:02
yet. Instead, she steps in and gets
1:44:04
her picture taken at her down. That
1:44:06
is amazing. What the just way of
1:44:08
portraying that? It's an amazing moment, but
1:44:10
I guess I'd like I. I personally.
1:44:14
Didn't. Know what to take away from the wouldn't like.
1:44:16
What do you make of it? I know. I think
1:44:18
I think of the select. What are you make of
1:44:20
the end of annihilation? Would you make of the final
1:44:22
decisions of X Monkey on Iran or something to do
1:44:24
that I have to make of it's it's not clear
1:44:26
a he's not what? Yeah, okay I have. I've omitted.
1:44:28
Yeah. First of all, There's. A
1:44:31
line that Jared Leto says
1:44:33
in panic room. Above that
1:44:35
really sticks with me so a high
1:44:37
water mark just watched that ago or
1:44:39
so. it's famous. Oh this is so
1:44:41
for those that are no panic of
1:44:43
do business with the lake Forest whittaker
1:44:45
like leads the croup with. Their.
1:44:47
Little they break into this house for it as feel
1:44:49
some shit out of the right and. Ah,
1:44:53
And. Forest Whittaker used to work and like security
1:44:55
rightly is. That's how he is able to get
1:44:57
into the rooms and says you know I spent
1:44:59
most of my career front of lock Up Guys
1:45:01
like us or it for trying to prevent guys
1:45:03
like us from getting into this house. You know,
1:45:06
And. Dare that was like oh, it's
1:45:08
so ironic. Yeah, you know, like get
1:45:10
over yourself. That's. Literally what play
1:45:12
through my head at the very end
1:45:14
of his family when it's like oh
1:45:16
see was supposed it's like oh It's
1:45:18
so ironic that years since. I've
1:45:21
you'll be added some you're going to discuss your
1:45:23
so piss off by what this movie no sound
1:45:25
irritated and I thought I'm a pistol irritated. yes
1:45:27
years irritated by like that. So I'm just about
1:45:29
the way. But like other I wasn't the only
1:45:31
one of the theater that felt that way about
1:45:33
that seem like I've sort of army was like.
1:45:36
Oh. Sees that literally set out lowest Why
1:45:38
the curse at my job as a so
1:45:40
I know thera let of a had to
1:45:42
blur of interfere with lawyer oh yes he
1:45:45
is the oh sees the one that's gonna
1:45:47
get mls literally someone in behind me in
1:45:49
the theaters ago as a like it's not
1:45:51
don't come into my ethically i'm not I'm
1:45:54
asking for a group opinion here under saying
1:45:56
like. I. Found that kind
1:45:58
of compelling and powerful. You're Not
1:46:00
let. So I think this movie
1:46:02
actually ultimately is. As. You
1:46:04
said the finger at the beginning.
1:46:07
Extremely cynical about the role of
1:46:09
journalists. Yes Ah, it's like v
1:46:11
the ideas that be the younger
1:46:13
character in the movie. Play by
1:46:15
Kelly. Spanish mining from Priscilla. Here,
1:46:17
Priscilla's and the characters they met
1:46:19
some. Didn't. Have a. Jealous.
1:46:22
Finding here jeopardy or similar. Yeah.
1:46:25
I'm. Seeing Jesse as the name of the
1:46:27
character online but maybe that yes yes
1:46:29
yes he plating celebrity so rosy in
1:46:32
the river way as yet. Oh yeah
1:46:34
so the characters se the idea is
1:46:36
that like o sea has like. The.
1:46:38
Whole movie here. sentences trying to harden that
1:46:41
character and billing. You can ask questions you
1:46:43
can do they have had it's just gotta
1:46:45
take the picture and like divorce emotion from
1:46:47
it and be willing to like absorb all
1:46:50
this shit and at the end she finally
1:46:52
make that transition and I think we are
1:46:54
meant to be in some ways horrified by
1:46:56
it. like she's not. When.
1:46:59
She sees their son does dicey doesn't like.
1:47:02
I. Don't think see weeps for if are claiming
1:47:04
that there is no time and her and piercing
1:47:06
rounds partner at doesn't have time to either like
1:47:09
they're do the job is to get that folks
1:47:11
are they just gotta keep moving right now. Like
1:47:13
so it's a It's about how dehumanizing it is
1:47:15
to put people in this position where they are
1:47:17
the observer in the ballot. What it takes from
1:47:20
you? Yeah, and I think that moment is the
1:47:22
capstone of that idea. Which.
1:47:24
Is further. Augmented.
1:47:27
In. The very next scene. When.
1:47:29
They stormed the thing. They rip the President out
1:47:31
of his hair. And before wonderful
1:47:33
deliver the killing blow. Like know what?
1:47:35
deborah right? But why I'm worth Kercher
1:47:38
Lee's. Summit
1:47:40
I'd at. This is why I'm here. This
1:47:42
me the quote and he's like I have
1:47:44
not written a single word. Prisoner movie I
1:47:46
got to do some work right is like
1:47:48
yeah. And he says of
1:47:50
Ron Swanson like, please don't let
1:47:52
them kill me Yes, Ron Swanson
1:47:54
and he's like. Battle.
1:47:57
Do. And then it's like will
1:47:59
not now he says. They always do. They.
1:48:01
Always disappoint you. Yes,
1:48:04
Not. Know that that that was Do that.
1:48:06
That's good enough for my good idea. That's good
1:48:08
out. but that's good enough. That's what he says.
1:48:10
And in. so. Ah, I
1:48:13
think again I think we as the
1:48:15
audience are meant to be horrified by
1:48:17
it's like oh like wow that's a
1:48:19
very like extractive, exploitative singer that character
1:48:21
did at the very I mean what
1:48:23
is worse than that? Worse than that.
1:48:26
Dot. The most horrific moment as his movie and
1:48:28
or not the most but one of the most.
1:48:30
Is as the credits are rolling.
1:48:33
We. Get the like Abu Ghraib. Reading.
1:48:36
Some shit out of like look this is
1:48:38
a dead body think of the jump in
1:48:40
Nyc my don't know, the instagram, the murder
1:48:43
of the president, Which. To me
1:48:45
was life. Was denied.
1:48:47
Everybody's asking for the aristocrat receptacle.
1:48:49
It wasn't It's I'm nothing. It's
1:48:51
like cynical about journalism. Specifically, it's
1:48:53
more like it is cynical about
1:48:56
humanity. I think that is that is
1:48:58
kind of the tempo the Alex Garland tends
1:49:00
to run in. that is like the Swiss.
1:49:02
Yeah, like is like nothing. Not even journalism
1:49:04
can stop. The. Viewed as an
1:49:06
integral part of humanity towards oblivious there is
1:49:08
is lighter Early on the movie where she's
1:49:10
like i thought like shooting all those wars
1:49:12
would make people not want to have wars
1:49:15
here but like it was opera we're announcing
1:49:17
right that's the Us and so that's that
1:49:19
is a negative season about humanity not assume
1:49:21
about journalism but I think also about journalism
1:49:23
about the I just of a lot of
1:49:25
it as a sea of journalists, residents and
1:49:27
a diverse i was young, the only son
1:49:29
was like okay that's good enough that's like.
1:49:31
What? Like wow that was the. I
1:49:34
was like wow that is such a. Cynical.
1:49:37
Like bleak way of looking at
1:49:39
like what these people do. Exactly
1:49:41
what Steve Mckinley Henderson character said
1:49:43
though is that they were he
1:49:45
would disappoint you. All resolved with.
1:49:48
The hot right? But I suppose he did say we
1:49:50
just want to sort of capital is is. It
1:49:52
was such a deceptively not good enough right?
1:49:55
Let's not get his ass know a mean
1:49:57
sitting in the in as in like the
1:49:59
other off. That. Will make a good headline for
1:50:01
my article, But right, that's. Bad.
1:50:04
Journalists who. Had
1:50:07
kill them. We got, we just we got.
1:50:09
it's whoa. that was going cause it's it's
1:50:11
it's It's not yet. so it is extremely
1:50:13
bleak. I. Guess again to. I
1:50:16
appreciate the spirited the because we all
1:50:18
have different fields, but it's but I
1:50:20
think it's extremely bleach and cynical. Negative:
1:50:23
About the journalistic practice at As
1:50:25
Wealth or I also agree lease
1:50:27
about Fertility to. Assume that
1:50:30
of combat or worse demons in it's about
1:50:32
the people who also have the drive to
1:50:34
do that too like I love Wagner more
1:50:36
as character tool who's like so you see
1:50:38
is riding on be adrenaline of the thing
1:50:40
like when I when be the attack is
1:50:42
happening at night while there are camping with
1:50:44
i gotta i gotta go you there is
1:50:46
like still missing to like get you know
1:50:48
I'm I'm glad this the something addictive about
1:50:50
like being in a war zone for this
1:50:52
character a robust yeah conveying that information like
1:50:54
I. Again, I.
1:50:57
I still need to like fully injustice movie
1:50:59
but I just found it really really powerful
1:51:01
when it was during like it's has exploded
1:51:03
they've been extracted with the guy went up
1:51:05
and like force him to say something before
1:51:08
all this effort skilled it's I don't think
1:51:10
he probably had time for next census sit
1:51:12
down interview but make fried a little harder
1:51:14
that that is what you gotta go. Gotta
1:51:16
be as the annoying prick who gets up
1:51:18
and like can you say something so we
1:51:21
can report it to the world's a week
1:51:23
At least get your last words written down.
1:51:25
Satan. That's. An important thing
1:51:27
that is important thing for people to do. I
1:51:29
guess if you buy I grew these above. what
1:51:31
have a sit down like that's the is it's
1:51:33
that's not play probably does not have a little
1:51:35
better. When I read my god it's like who
1:51:37
is that benefiting. Rights. Is it does?
1:51:39
the world needs that version of history like works
1:51:42
like and well for his life at the end
1:51:44
that were begging for in i don't know. maybe
1:51:46
the don't know. I mean I think I've the
1:51:48
I would love to have direct reporting of what
1:51:50
happened at the end of Hitler's bunker. You
1:51:53
know I would love to have direct reporting what happened
1:51:55
with a with a benefit hundred and this way with
1:51:57
that would that matter where we don't widow wouldn't make
1:51:59
it less. The that it can be
1:52:01
another world like another thing it I
1:52:03
don't think it's those are fun I
1:52:05
am. I'm saying the main thing is
1:52:07
like I believe in information that's overtly
1:52:09
all I can believe in and I
1:52:11
don't know. I'm certainly let down by
1:52:13
what humans have done with actual accurate
1:52:15
information but got nothing dollars that see
1:52:17
This is. My. Point is
1:52:20
that. Don't you think
1:52:22
that is a more interesting. Take.
1:52:25
Like it if if. The. Acquisition
1:52:28
and dissemination of information. Actually
1:52:31
led to this war which and let's
1:52:33
be honest, It would set
1:52:35
well if that's the problem or
1:52:37
on is asking him for me
1:52:39
to use that as but you
1:52:41
bring your own His reentering and
1:52:43
right yeah I feel like the
1:52:45
movie Whitworth following these people whose
1:52:47
job it is to stay distanced
1:52:49
and to stay observation or and
1:52:51
to stay steeled against the actual
1:52:53
emotion of. Whose side is
1:52:55
what? side? As. And I'm
1:52:57
and the movie try to do that as
1:53:00
well. But a by the end of flights,
1:53:02
what are we even saying about that process
1:53:04
where we sang about staying. Observant
1:53:07
and detached like student I don't
1:53:09
think has any. Sees
1:53:11
in. That. Message of.
1:53:14
What? Although
1:53:16
I didn't come away from it going. Wow.
1:53:19
Those journalists x y z like the
1:53:21
this he was literally just i'm on
1:53:24
this ride and oh my God Wars
1:53:26
horrible and that was a horrible spirits
1:53:28
powerful. Moments that will
1:53:30
be indelible. He marched in my
1:53:32
brain forever. Man. Ultimately,
1:53:34
I don't think it said anything
1:53:37
even. Not the thing that
1:53:39
people wanted to say, but just anything.
1:53:41
I know. I would argue that it's
1:53:43
like it's what I said, which is
1:53:46
that it's It's a dehumanizing experience to
1:53:48
observe war and that in like and
1:53:50
ultimately is not particularly useful. That's kind
1:53:53
of like the Grid journalists have this
1:53:55
very. Sort. Of I mean in
1:53:57
the movie it's that particular rifle. In reality,
1:54:00
Oh. Another another reason I don't really. it's
1:54:02
it's yeah, it's super valley, but I'm
1:54:04
saying like the journalists have this sort
1:54:06
of fairly high minded perspective of what
1:54:08
their role is would have. In the
1:54:10
end, we see. If it's twisted
1:54:13
for these other it like it's twisted as
1:54:15
like the topic again I say i think
1:54:17
so When I see this movie cynical I
1:54:19
think this movie cynical in the weather I'm
1:54:21
cynical because I do think that is the
1:54:23
way the world works. that is that's a
1:54:25
journalist with these high minded ideals of like
1:54:27
trying to the right thing and disseminate information
1:54:29
and you look around. And what
1:54:31
has happened in the second planet for
1:54:34
the past four years is. An
1:54:36
institutional failure of media in an understanding
1:54:38
and like a so many things. But
1:54:41
it is exactly kind of what is
1:54:43
happening in this movie too. So I
1:54:45
think that all right I really be
1:54:47
to next that.middle dig it does the
1:54:49
last yep of connecting that.and making me
1:54:51
think. Wow. The media is
1:54:53
so you know that this endeavor this
1:54:55
whole last row his a Quest movie
1:54:57
where your questions got a gift to
1:54:59
you know especially as I was watching
1:55:01
an old like this is not that
1:55:03
different from that movie about the guys
1:55:05
that want to be interviewed George Lucas
1:55:07
it i was about what our like
1:55:09
a very this is a Ransom wrote
1:55:11
me knows a little more violence in
1:55:13
this was in the middle of. A
1:55:16
way to deal with nearly as a quest movie
1:55:18
at me like. The. End of
1:55:21
the quests. I didn't. It
1:55:23
didn't question the validity of the class that
1:55:25
in reinforced the necessary that the need for
1:55:28
the quests. It just kind of. Ended
1:55:30
with this. Weird. Very bleak.
1:55:32
I mean. I feel
1:55:34
like I'm the only one that. That. Has brought
1:55:36
this up. Maybe the land on you guys so
1:55:39
much but Muntjac last credit is adding brain bleed
1:55:41
in the that's pretty bleak. Yes you? that. That.
1:55:45
Was horrifying to me. Like through all
1:55:47
of this, through all of this that
1:55:49
we have this moment where. In.
1:55:51
A We we we murdered the
1:55:53
President like high fives and years.
1:55:55
A pic is just so disturbing.
1:55:59
And I'm done. What Do I? The would take away
1:56:01
from this. I think that's Via so
1:56:03
I I like sitting in that uncertainty.
1:56:05
Guys like let's say it's like. Guess.
1:56:07
If this were to happen that is exactly what
1:56:10
he would. he would be the soldiers giving the
1:56:12
high five for this trophy. Saw a good looks
1:56:14
like a trophies up basically just sort of. I
1:56:16
guess. like none of the stuff I'm saying about
1:56:18
like. Is there with a work? has
1:56:21
been to it like it's inherently journalism is inherently
1:56:23
a hopeless endeavor. Other work has been twist rather
1:56:25
going to like. None of them. Length connects for
1:56:27
you like your app for the movie did not
1:56:29
make that explicit over your the Us. I like
1:56:32
that you are low putting that I don't think
1:56:34
the movie. Connected. The
1:56:36
last.to land that. Ceiling.
1:56:39
From New Immigrants are you want to point out
1:56:41
like we're we're talking about Israel was being like
1:56:43
detached in kind of away from it's what was
1:56:45
really interesting as like know that right there with
1:56:47
the soldiers. right? It's not like they're
1:56:49
in itself with they're not taking telephoto pitchers from
1:56:52
half a mile away their an air him in.
1:56:54
The actions in part of the movie is also
1:56:56
the a recent like who the hell's crazy enough
1:56:58
to do this to him right and even like
1:57:01
soldiers like to be cool with having just a
1:57:03
random person standing next to with a damn roads
1:57:05
is not a me and the there there's like
1:57:07
an understanding or their okay okay this is actually
1:57:10
it's helpful to have this person here to document
1:57:12
kind of what we're going. And then there's a
1:57:14
scene where I'm Kelly Spain's character goes up to
1:57:16
the guy who strung up this other dude. And
1:57:19
sees having her first reaction to it but
1:57:21
Kirsten Dunst to sell them. Can
1:57:23
I take your picture? Because ultimately like the.
1:57:26
People. Wanna be proud of the things that they're
1:57:28
doing and they want to convey that to use
1:57:30
on. I. Mean this is not this. Not a
1:57:32
movie of like neat. Titan Young neatly
1:57:34
tide of messages. I just I'm thinking
1:57:36
about what I came with. Away from
1:57:39
this is I'm. I know is
1:57:41
a powerful read of people who are like seeking
1:57:43
the truth or maybe they're not always doing it
1:57:45
for the best reasons you know, like. Joel.
1:57:48
Is basically an adrenaline tracer but also he's
1:57:50
trying to do something insane and impossible and
1:57:52
if they didn't do it, we would have
1:57:54
no idea what happened in the White House.
1:57:56
You know, after those soldiers with know like
1:57:59
I do this. Inherently valuable.
1:58:01
Is. Right? Like. regardless of.
1:58:04
The. Impact or how he obtained
1:58:06
it's. In. Your opinion to figure this something
1:58:08
like inherently valuable but out I could be labeled
1:58:10
a plane and for me from innocent well that's
1:58:13
the of the thing I believe in. I think
1:58:15
if we are better off knowing that even if
1:58:17
what the dude said was not good enough and
1:58:19
was kind of a bullshit would make a good
1:58:22
headlines, I still think we're better off knowing that
1:58:24
rather than having the soldiers make up a fairytale
1:58:26
you know. Ah,
1:58:29
We. Haven't talked about the most psychotic
1:58:31
thing in the Soviet. If it's not
1:58:33
just the plumbers performance within Incredible. I
1:58:35
mean this a guy who forgets parachutes
1:58:37
into these movies by these authors like
1:58:39
killers is a flower munaf and you
1:58:41
to see about of the woodward of
1:58:43
years without a civil war he said
1:58:45
when it and and makes the movie
1:58:47
way better like his dislike while delivering
1:58:49
on a whole other level. Know.
1:58:52
The most iconic think of this movie is.
1:58:55
That someone would be using actual physical
1:58:57
film to suit this Nasa I want
1:59:00
to have this conversation is that more
1:59:02
psychotic been digital like if you don't
1:59:04
know this the infrastructure you have of
1:59:06
like you don't know if you're going
1:59:08
to get power you don't have you
1:59:10
can be able to this information thirty
1:59:13
that necessarily more psychotic. The issue with
1:59:15
film I have averaged only batteries for
1:59:17
film camera race through I am so
1:59:19
I offending ugly as physically get old
1:59:21
fool myself and my I remember prince
1:59:24
and the I remember your. Dorm Room
1:59:26
Dave where you would often have Prince of This
1:59:28
poor self portraits are. Dozens
1:59:31
of for just as a zone
1:59:33
face yes it is York Room
1:59:35
discovery normally is a of clothes,
1:59:37
pins on wires of Daves own
1:59:39
portrait. Ah
1:59:42
well. For so I would hope that
1:59:44
these photographers are carrying like spare batteries
1:59:46
and yard drive up the Wazoo before
1:59:48
they tracked the dangers of this third
1:59:50
or it's of but Zola. Fascinating. Yeah,
1:59:52
if he has issues you need to
1:59:54
have. Like.
1:59:57
You need to be in a lights
1:59:59
lists and get like free environment to
2:00:01
develop a film and it's is really
2:00:03
hard to guarantee. That. You will
2:00:05
be a look like it's harder to get a
2:00:08
life free environment that you can develop film and
2:00:10
then in my opinion to make sure you have
2:00:12
a bunch of batteries and harder I've but no
2:00:14
legs esses se was doing or i'm was doing
2:00:17
the thing and in like a bubble. See.
2:00:19
Was developing Negative? I know. Yeah, I know out of the
2:00:21
way it works. The way it works is you remove. These.
2:00:24
The film from the camera in a like
2:00:26
free environments friend in the dark with just
2:00:28
by physical memory transfer into that. It's a
2:00:30
good like as a canister where you've and
2:00:32
the up the developing chemical inside so it's
2:00:34
the set before it got into the chemist
2:00:36
or that is that while the harper yeah
2:00:38
I would I was thinking about our think
2:00:40
it is this the best way we have
2:00:42
this a family of infinite storage ah I'd
2:00:45
I don't have allergies as the map that
2:00:47
he release of what the world with those
2:00:49
yeah notices for that Also like I live
2:00:51
in a little is i did the i
2:00:53
guess his successor he exist. But a film reader
2:00:55
the can actually let you see the Sat on
2:00:57
our phones that that's a thing where you can
2:00:59
say but it got across. You can go by
2:01:01
that right now it's like it's a thing where
2:01:03
you you put this some this device up to
2:01:05
your smartphone camera and then you can see what
2:01:07
the pictures look like. So. That's pretty cool
2:01:09
with you have negative it's it if you
2:01:11
have that. I noticed like Jesse had two
2:01:13
cameras Jesse habits on camera but feels as
2:01:15
as has additional and like any through photographer
2:01:18
they're like flippant there for a tween different
2:01:20
get he was with us for this situation
2:01:22
at some of our things even me time
2:01:24
for film yeah I think the entire complete
2:01:26
losses my all of our methodology was with
2:01:28
the entire seats are notion that would with
2:01:30
we all deal will drive to the White
2:01:32
house and a lot of evil scenario. what
2:01:34
is the time? What as a plant what
2:01:36
is the planet appeal give us an. Interview
2:01:38
why it was his last. As long as isn't
2:01:41
here yet he'll feel compelled to do It is
2:01:43
and is worthy of earth like at all those
2:01:45
it is like this I don't believe in the
2:01:47
back and wait for the worried you think I
2:01:49
would love to hear more about the thought process
2:01:51
behind the place is my you know just how
2:01:54
he's actually sounds like us is a heist movie
2:01:56
basically pursuit of the right away that it's a
2:01:58
heist movie. yeah those other two. The
2:02:00
knuckle heads the other than like
2:02:02
we urge go into the words
2:02:04
weren't you the only you ever
2:02:06
see is going to the what.
2:02:08
Success. With it. Was know
2:02:10
what to do that but as you
2:02:13
i like has we have bootlegs that
2:02:15
stuff is unbelievable. The message boards that
2:02:17
for if it was just a little
2:02:19
that that happened we're very close to
2:02:21
it. Roh moo Oh you know you
2:02:24
gotta suspend disbelief and I did but.
2:02:26
The. That is very cool that more like
2:02:29
he's leave another.and a divorce peel out and
2:02:31
stop them and they beat ya the car
2:02:33
the most everybody and it's like. So.
2:02:37
Now. The path to the actual why
2:02:39
does just wide open. We're. Examining
2:02:42
your way from lots of them through
2:02:45
the front door. Okay, okay movie. I
2:02:47
don't believe that for a second. But okay,
2:02:49
specific, You know. There's also a lot of
2:02:52
questions about like. The. Aesthetics
2:02:54
of it. Like with the Secret Service be
2:02:56
wearing suits. He knows that like with the
2:02:58
have been with Enough with a city where
2:03:00
you're going to be wearing civilian clothes and
2:03:02
in a war zone like that you know
2:03:04
it's is. Either
2:03:06
know that that much thought would into those could
2:03:08
both. Of us is. Also a I will say that
2:03:10
but the basis of the final thirty minutes
2:03:12
of this movie. Perhaps. The
2:03:15
most aggressive sound design I have her
2:03:17
since Blackhawk that maybe like supply. This
2:03:19
guy was in Imax or Dwyer Day.
2:03:21
our our screen was an Imax so
2:03:23
any with lie max but it was
2:03:25
a very intense audio. will likely be
2:03:27
guns as I saw you are you
2:03:29
responding to tweets about this Chef Butter
2:03:31
The gunshot feel like gunshots like I
2:03:34
think one of the most defining aspects
2:03:36
of the movie seat is like be
2:03:38
made a shootout sequence was. Sound.
2:03:40
Design in a way to feel like those
2:03:42
shots were real, like they're big and loud
2:03:45
and bread per like super progressive and this
2:03:47
movie does does this all throughout whenever any
2:03:49
weapons or guns or anything is going off
2:03:51
and I feel like Matt Besser als Ob
2:03:53
of it will also felt real like an
2:03:56
Imam. This movie felt like you are basically
2:03:58
living through these explosions. There is. Laughing.
2:04:00
That. Cel fun about the the
2:04:02
worst I'm in. There are movies
2:04:04
where the the war stuff can
2:04:07
feel kind of. Sign.
2:04:09
And exciting and to sell. Dreadful
2:04:11
and are more weeks? Yeah.
2:04:15
It's There's so many things about this movie
2:04:17
and it's release that I just think are
2:04:19
weird like there's a whole ad campaign or
2:04:22
at it it it's like seated I max.
2:04:25
Civil. War. Seat And I,
2:04:27
Maxine I'm actually just like. Inherently
2:04:30
odds. you know, maybe this me
2:04:32
but it's it's like oh the
2:04:34
the country being you know, self
2:04:36
immolating and leaving itself in tatters.
2:04:39
Sitting. On the biggest feather market. Partially
2:04:42
why I was. I don't think we need this movie
2:04:45
at all. That's where the trail returning me off by
2:04:47
the know it's for this movie was hurting me off
2:04:49
and then like I was thrown. Makes it interesting. The.
2:04:52
Yeah. I'm. Here.
2:04:56
At I've been. I
2:05:00
think it's the end of the day. I
2:05:02
am still torn on like what it's trying
2:05:04
to say about photo journalism like this that
2:05:06
like maybe this is my point, There's some
2:05:08
components of it that are worth it Still,
2:05:10
other as I'd like to read, it doesn't
2:05:12
land any any kind of other. No, no
2:05:15
again I think we all. Liked.
2:05:17
The movie and found it worthwhile at A
2:05:19
We Like is more the manager is it
2:05:22
is like it is undeniably thrilling and it's
2:05:24
not an eye bleach exciting and they're under
2:05:26
the you know Saddam of Will Take One
2:05:29
hundred and some of the sequences we've We've
2:05:31
touched on a couple of under the Weird
2:05:33
Christmas Land where the snipers are having a
2:05:35
year off. like those at some of those
2:05:38
sequences like how she's laying there and so
2:05:40
I just looked at the blades of grass
2:05:42
for a second and the you know the
2:05:45
the secret suggests he plans of course the.
2:05:47
The. Secrets of that at the gas station with
2:05:49
the got it all of it like. Dirt.
2:05:52
There's so much in the movie that is just.
2:05:55
In. Rebel? Absolutely.
2:05:58
Masterfully. He.
2:06:00
Eats no offense for an intense
2:06:02
and makes you think but. You
2:06:05
know it's a it's an unruly beast. This movie
2:06:08
and I I jumped a part of a reason
2:06:10
to visualise. Eleven. What mumbling? Yeah, I love and
2:06:12
really be some. Also, one thing we haven't mentioned
2:06:14
his i'm dismissing the shop and really interesting way
2:06:16
of a sudden the Dj A D I wrote
2:06:18
in for the. Which. Is is really
2:06:20
interesting Camera: The can both be a
2:06:22
seeking cam and be a steadycam depending
2:06:24
on what to feel like. I didn't
2:06:27
have your thoughts on that day but
2:06:29
seems fascinating. Yeah, ah, I just think
2:06:31
it's really cool to see like that.
2:06:33
That is a. Available
2:06:35
device that you can very easily by in
2:06:37
a lake and it's as a gross humor
2:06:39
camera we saw the creator was filmed with
2:06:42
for a seven. Ah,
2:06:45
Ethics: Thirty Ethics: Three civilians, Sonia factories and
2:06:47
this a shot with the road And forty
2:06:49
and it's a school that like. You.
2:06:52
Can produce cinematic sales images you need
2:06:54
a lot of other stuff like great
2:06:57
sound design, great actors and you know
2:06:59
great lighting and cinematography would like. The
2:07:01
technology is really accessible now and I
2:07:04
think the movie looks really good for
2:07:06
it. What it looks good but it
2:07:08
looks grainy and I'm super is it
2:07:10
looks like ah. Very. Digitally to
2:07:12
my yes I've ever really Michael Mann stuff I was
2:07:15
wasn't good where we had our maki not in that
2:07:17
movie. Also looks like you're like that movie doesn't look
2:07:19
like a shot and killed it. looks like you're sort
2:07:21
of a digital camera and just also has that appearance
2:07:24
as well that that the darn seems especially like the
2:07:26
first time to go up with filters up a building.
2:07:28
Like all the shadows are just like digital green. Were.
2:07:31
And that's because of the way this was hot but
2:07:33
i self is all distracting but the same time I
2:07:35
think the with the way they saw this thing this
2:07:37
is that what you can do with the running for
2:07:39
the. Is is kind of fasting
2:07:41
to me and like it's cool. the Alex Garland
2:07:43
is enough of a the of Gearheads evens out
2:07:45
about like that specific thing about sitting this movie
2:07:47
a little differently than a typical film. Every
2:07:50
time we think about a thing about a Scarlet
2:07:53
making movies, owes think he's like just reluctantly baking.
2:07:55
Every to says okay okay we could go with
2:07:57
the road and forty cause he just as as.
2:08:00
He seems like. It all as interviews. He
2:08:02
doesn't seem very happy about. making movies right is
2:08:04
something yeah, which is why was I surprised, right?
2:08:06
Eve was vaguely like he will retire from directing
2:08:08
a now that's not necessarily true, but in, we'll
2:08:11
see. We'll. Guys are this
2:08:13
has been a. Long. And varied
2:08:15
conversation about Civil War. and obviously we'll
2:08:17
at least. We'll. Talk different things
2:08:19
the way for it will like interpreted things differently
2:08:21
about it is good that's what good are No
2:08:23
and yes I'm could argue that are and that's
2:08:25
why that's why at the end of a days.
2:08:27
despite everything I've said negative of movie I still
2:08:29
think you should check it out like it is
2:08:31
a movie that people could be talking about and
2:08:34
there's some interesting things. Things that it does are
2:08:36
interesting. Things that it doesn't do are interesting. To
2:08:38
sort it out of Lego it's worth checking out
2:08:40
and at the end of the day. It.
2:08:42
Is really impressive. The Alex Garland. Is.
2:08:45
Still make it. Will be hoping he's doing it for a
2:08:47
long time. Ago. Or it that's going
2:08:49
to bring us into the six episodes of
2:08:51
Guess. You could buy more episodes of his
2:08:53
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2:08:55
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2:09:01
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2:09:03
also edited. This. Episode. A
2:09:07
special thanks to a Curt and Elizabeth for
2:09:09
their help with the video components of this
2:09:11
podcast. I also want to announce what we're
2:09:13
gonna be talking about next week on the
2:09:15
show. Now folks, This.
2:09:18
Is how that I have a
2:09:20
that everyone's gonna be talking about
2:09:22
how high seas of ours that
2:09:25
will you have with is it
2:09:27
demands to be discussed. We're
2:09:29
going on. You know what of the vote?
2:09:32
more democratic? The bonuses podcast is what movie
2:09:34
review right and so we're going over like
2:09:36
which movie we're going to review. Verdicts we
2:09:38
go. There's a lot of good stuff coming
2:09:40
out next week. Us. Who's
2:09:42
Abigail? Case. A.
2:09:44
Good. Horror movie I've heard there's
2:09:46
the ministry of ungentlemanly warfare. Guy.
2:09:49
Ritchie it's currency by the way. cc
2:09:51
making like one movie every three my
2:09:53
of what exact three and a fish
2:09:55
out of it as yeah hey guys
2:09:57
prolific he is not so they oh.
2:10:00
The both really interesting.
2:10:02
Movies discuss on the podcast and we we
2:10:04
have. Just. So of a
2:10:06
bounty of riches. And
2:10:09
we were kind of argue about which one of these we serve
2:10:11
you and that I said you know guys, there is one movie.
2:10:14
That. We also need to consider
2:10:16
and play ultimate Movie. Rebel.
2:10:18
Moon part to Scott the scar giver
2:10:20
now we just got Gabi on Netflix
2:10:22
has the scars the worth less than
2:10:24
earth and I think both to redress
2:10:26
of and myself to to some degree
2:10:28
will like what we were. Report one
2:10:30
we can't just not review part do.
2:10:33
Though the read this is that
2:10:35
will be cruel madness if we
2:10:38
just ruby purple and unreported so
2:10:40
xactly the people demand at. The.
2:10:42
People demand but we will try to
2:10:45
cover Ministry of and Gentlemen the warfare
2:10:47
somehow in an after work as well
2:10:49
so look forward to that. But anyway
2:10:51
little reported. next week your oath of
2:10:54
this guardian or sooner to the.
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