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University set a course for change. The
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smell of stuffing and turkey warms the air.
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as her husband tends to the fireplace in the
2:02
living room. Kathy
2:04
focuses on her methodic chopping, but
2:07
she is so nervous. Her
2:09
only son Rob is bringing home his
2:11
new girlfriend for the holidays. Rob
2:15
has been gushing about Colleen for months,
2:17
and Kathy is excited
2:19
to meet the woman who has her
2:21
son talking about settling down. Rob
2:25
is a laid back guy. He
2:27
has a child of his own from a previous relationship,
2:29
but he's never talked about
2:31
marriage. He takes life
2:34
as it comes, one day at a time.
2:37
But apparently Colleen has changed him.
2:40
Kathy looks down at the oven clock
2:42
quickly, then sneaks a peek
2:44
at her reflection in the microwave glass, smoothing
2:47
out her hair. Just then, the
2:50
doorbell rings. Kathy flies
2:52
towards the front door to greet her son.
2:55
She hugs him close, feeling the chill on
2:58
his cheek as they exchange greetings. Rob
3:01
smiles as he takes off his coat. Mom,
3:03
this is Colleen. Kathy
3:06
smiles as a pretty, petite blonde
3:08
with short wavy hair extends
3:11
her hand towards her. It's
3:14
so nice to meet you, Kathy, Colleen says.
3:17
Colleen is beautiful. She
3:19
has a round lily face with
3:22
big doe eyes. She
3:24
immediately takes off her coat and asks Kathy
3:26
what she can do to help. Later
3:29
that evening, after dinner, drinks, and many laughs
3:31
getting to know each other, the
3:34
family gathers to open some presents. Kathy
3:37
picks up a little box from under the
3:39
tree and passes it to Colleen. Her
3:42
eyes light up in shock. You
3:44
didn't have to get me anything, she
3:46
says modestly as she carefully wedges
3:48
her fingers under the wrapping paper.
3:51
Kathy watches as Colleen pulls out the
3:53
present, a little box
3:57
of ammunition. Colleen
3:59
laughs and smiles. smiles. She knows that
4:01
Rob must have told his mother
4:03
how much she loves target practice.
4:07
Colleen is an excellent marksman.
4:10
She holds the box of bullets to her
4:12
chest like a diamond necklace and says thank
4:14
you, again. Kathy
4:16
smiles. She never imagined
4:19
buying bullets for her potential daughter-in-law,
4:21
but then again, she never
4:23
imagined that life would take the turn
4:26
it would in the next
4:28
year. Welcome
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most money he ever had in his
6:02
life, while Colleen continued growing
6:04
her career as a manager at the
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call center. They both agreed
6:08
that they could use a fun night out, a
6:11
big break after a hectic year. But
6:14
Colleen had some rules. She
6:17
was very frugal and budget conscious
6:19
after all. Colleen
6:21
made budgets for everything and a night
6:23
out at the bar was
6:25
no exception. She decided that
6:27
she would be able to spend a hundred dollars
6:30
of fun, fund money celebrating
6:32
the new year. As
6:34
Colleen and Rob got dressed up to
6:36
meet their friends at their favorite local
6:39
bar, Colleen suggested
6:41
that they make a resolutions list. The
6:44
couple had been bickering a lot lately. The
6:47
fights had been getting worse and worse, but
6:49
deep down they still loved each other and
6:52
they were determined to get through these
6:55
things. They
6:57
just happened sometimes. Colleen
7:00
was as controlling as Rob was
7:03
aloof, and even though
7:05
she was right, he was becoming a little sick of
7:07
her money management. These
7:09
fights usually started out about cash, how
7:11
much Colleen would allow Rob to spend.
7:14
She controlled everything, even allotting
7:17
his weekly lunch money and
7:19
how much he was allowed to spend on his haircuts.
7:22
He could only declaw Tiger so much,
7:24
he could only demasculate a man so
7:26
much before the inevitable
7:29
happens. She
7:31
was obsessed with saving and
7:33
had a rigid plan for their
7:35
future. So as Colleen
7:37
put on her makeup and Rob buttoned
7:40
up his favorite shirt, they decided that
7:42
their new year's resolution would be simple.
7:45
No more fighting, easier said
7:47
than done. And more
7:49
savings added Colleen, and
7:52
less alcohol. Wait a minute, that's
7:54
three things. Rob rolled
7:56
his eyes and then hugged his wife. Colleen
7:59
grinned. and bitterly, but
8:02
she was also very serious. Walking
8:05
into the bar, Colleen and Rob hung
8:08
off of one another like a
8:10
loving, newlywed couple. Their
8:12
friends were all waiting, drinks in hand, and
8:15
ordered more as Rob and Colleen joined the
8:17
group. Colleen
8:19
sided up with some girlfriends and Rob
8:21
hugged his buddies and immediately pushed through
8:23
the crowd to get the bartender's attention.
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He waved his arm and hollered. Then
8:30
he ordered around warm apple
8:32
pie shots. I
8:34
had never heard of them either, but
8:37
they sound delicious during
8:40
the holidays. Vodka,
8:42
apple cider, cinnamon, whipped
8:45
cream on top. God damn. Sounds
8:47
pretty good. Apologies if you're
8:49
an alcoholic. Anyway, Rob,
8:51
Colleen, and their pals did
8:54
four rounds in fifteen minutes.
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As you do on New Year's Eve. The
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bar was loud and the music
9:02
was blasting as Colleen gave Rob
9:04
a kiss before sauntering off
9:06
to the bathroom. She
9:09
was tipsy already from the shots and
9:11
could feel the booze running warm in
9:13
her body. She was happy.
9:16
This was a beautiful relationship. So
9:18
what if they fought sometimes? People
9:21
fight. It happens. They
9:23
were making progress. Rob
9:25
was going to keep to
9:28
the resolutions. Colleen pushed open
9:30
the bathroom door and she looked at herself in the mirror.
9:33
Feeling nice and buzzed and feeling
9:35
good, you know. She pursed
9:38
her lips at her reflection
9:40
and wiped the excess mascara from under her
9:42
eyes and she told herself in the mirror,
9:45
yes, this is going
9:47
to be an excellent year. Back
9:50
at the bar, Rob had the cash Colleen
9:52
had allotted for their night out and he
9:54
was throwing down. By
9:57
the time Colleen returned from the bathroom, Rob had spent a day
9:59
in the bathroom. spent almost all their cash
10:01
buying drinks for all of his
10:03
friends. Well, Colleen
10:06
was furious. She
10:08
pulled Rob aside and started lecturing
10:10
him through grilled teeth. What
10:13
about their savings goals? The
10:16
New Year's resolution? They
10:18
only had $100 to spend. What the
10:20
hell was he doing? Their
10:22
friends pretended not to notice, as
10:25
Colleen chewed Rob out. She
10:28
laughed and told her to relax. There
10:31
was a house party they could go to not far
10:33
away, and they'd be able to stick
10:35
to their budget. Colleen reluctantly
10:37
agreed and they left the bar.
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When Rob and Colleen arrived at their
10:43
friend's house party, Rob
10:45
greeted everyone as his jovial self,
10:48
slapping high fives and hugs with everyone in
10:50
the room. Colleen
10:52
stood behind him with a scowl
10:54
on her face. Everyone
10:57
at the party noticed how foul she
10:59
was as she sulked towards
11:02
the kitchen to pour herself another drink.
11:06
Rob and Colleen go their separate ways at
11:08
the party, mingling with their friends and consuming
11:11
even more and more alcohol. After
11:14
a while, Colleen notices Rob isn't
11:17
inside. She bolts from
11:19
the conversation she's in and storms
11:21
around every room looking for him. He
11:24
is nowhere, and she
11:26
swings open the back door of the
11:28
patio and catches Rob with
11:30
his nose down snorting a line
11:32
of white powder. Well,
11:36
rage overcomes
11:38
her. You
11:42
know how a 5'4",
11:44
120 pound woman can become really
11:46
scary fellas? All
11:49
of a sudden, just somehow something comes over
11:51
her and it's like
11:53
freaking Satan incarnate. Yeah,
11:56
yeah, yeah. Rage. Rage
11:59
overcarves. calms her. And
12:02
Colleen charges at Rob and begins
12:04
screaming, swearing, and throwing her fists.
12:07
Where the hell did he get drugs?
12:10
Did he spend their money on that?
12:14
She is irate. Colleen
12:16
screams like a banshee, and
12:19
Rob finally has had
12:21
it. Maybe
12:23
it's the cocaine. It's probably
12:25
the cocaine, but he just
12:28
snaps. He's been bossed
12:30
around by his wife for far too
12:33
long, and he loses it.
12:36
Their fight becomes so intense that the owner
12:39
of the house comes outside to tell them
12:41
they have to go. Get
12:43
the hell out of here. I don't want you
12:45
here to leave. They've made enough
12:48
of a scene. They've
12:50
embarrassed themselves enough, and they need to go.
12:53
You don't want the cops showing up and ruining
12:55
the party and all that. So
12:58
Colleen and Rob were embarrassingly
13:00
escorted through the house. Rob
13:04
hung his head as he beeline
13:06
towards the door, stumbling out without looking
13:08
back. Colleen
13:10
followed him, her head held
13:12
high and strangely proud. Then
13:15
before exiting the party, she turned
13:18
and looked at everyone and
13:20
said, Remember, this
13:22
is not my fault. She
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then slammed the door. Less
13:27
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13:54
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parents. Her
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father owned his own business, and
15:37
the family had a comfortable life. Like
15:40
most kids, Colleen started to rebel against
15:42
her upbringing as a teenager. She
15:45
developed an attitude and started fighting with other girls
15:47
in school, to the point where she
15:50
was expelled. Her parents had
15:52
enough and sent Colleen to Ohio to
15:54
live with her maternal grandmother.
16:00
Unlike her dad, Grandma wasn't so
16:02
tough on Colleen, but
16:04
in that relaxed environment she thrived,
16:07
shockingly. Her grades
16:09
improved, her attitude softened, and she
16:12
graduated a success. After
16:15
high school, Colleen enrolled in the
16:17
Air Force. She loved the structure
16:19
and discipline of the Academy and
16:21
soon began training as a security
16:23
officer. She was very smart and
16:25
did well. Furthermore, she
16:27
excelled with a firearm. Colleen
16:30
was an amazing shot and
16:32
she loved guns. You
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joined the Air National Garden, graduated
16:41
in less than three years. When
16:45
she returned to Ohio to work, she was
16:47
hired at a call center and
16:49
quickly shot up the ladder to a
16:51
managerial role. Everything in
16:53
her life was going perfectly, except
16:56
in the old romance
16:58
department. That's when
17:01
Rob came into the picture. Colleen
17:03
and Rob had common friends
17:06
and the group always thought the two of them would
17:08
hit it off, despite being
17:10
opposites. Rob was laid
17:13
back and liked to have fun. He
17:15
was less focused on his career and more just
17:18
about enjoying every day as
17:20
if it were his last. Like
17:23
Colleen, he was also a serious
17:25
gun enthusiast and their
17:27
friends knew the two would
17:30
bond over target practice. So
17:33
in October of 2013, their friends
17:35
threw a backyard party with
17:37
the sole purpose of hooking the two up and
17:41
it worked. The relationship started
17:43
slow, but by Christmas
17:45
of 2013, Rob had taken
17:48
Colleen home to meet his family. Rob's
17:51
family was happy to see him so
17:53
in love and supported their
17:55
relationship. After
17:57
Christmas, Colleen and Rob started looking at
17:59
houses. together. Colleen got
18:02
a promotion at work and was riding
18:04
high. At Colleen's
18:06
request, an encouragement rob stopped working
18:08
odd jobs and decided to get
18:10
serious and begin working on
18:12
the oil rigs. He was finally
18:15
bringing in some good money, which
18:17
made Colleen super happy. They
18:20
settled in the life together, and that's
18:22
when Colleen's stranglehold began.
18:26
You see, it started
18:28
slow. The need for
18:31
total control, that is. She
18:33
started managing how much or what
18:36
kind of food they would eat
18:38
or how much alcohol Rob would
18:40
drink. But every
18:42
time she'd take away one of life's
18:44
little pleasures like wine with
18:47
dinner or extra
18:49
cheesy pizza, she'd
18:51
later reward him with a
18:53
guilty pleasure. She was
18:55
dangling carrots and slowly molding
18:58
Rob into the man she
19:00
wanted him to be. I can
19:03
change him. Rob
19:06
didn't seem to mind at first, or
19:08
maybe he didn't even seem to notice. Then
19:12
one evening out of nowhere, Colleen
19:14
decided to get down on her knees
19:16
and propose to Rob. It
19:18
was sudden, strange and kind
19:22
of domineering. But Rob
19:24
smiled and he said yes. They
19:26
started planning a wedding, and
19:28
that's when Colleen's budgeting
19:31
kicked into high gear. I'll
19:34
tell you, if you want to see a woman's true character,
19:37
propose and have her plan a wedding. People
19:40
change, and people change real
19:42
fast. One evening,
19:45
while discussing the wedding money, Colleen
19:47
dropped a bomb on Rob. If
19:51
they wanted to keep the ceremony small
19:53
and inexpensive, then Rob's family just
19:56
couldn't come. Wow.
20:00
There just wasn't enough money. Rob
20:03
fought it, but Colleen… she
20:06
insisted. So Rob called
20:08
his mother, Kathy, to let
20:10
her know that she and his stepfather
20:14
couldn't come to the wedding. Kathy
20:17
was beside herself. She cried.
20:20
Rob crumbled and he finally put
20:22
his foot down. Colleen
20:25
realized that this was a little, you
20:27
know, too far. She
20:29
relinquished and said they would find the money
20:32
somewhere else. I mean, if
20:35
that wasn't a red flag, then, you know,
20:38
I mean, you should not be in a relationship if
20:40
you don't see that big old waving red one.
20:44
Their wedding was outside in a state park
20:46
in front of a waterfall. Colleen
20:48
was dressed in a princess gown,
20:51
her curly hair bobbing around her face.
20:55
We had a purple sash, which Rob
20:57
mirrored with the color of his
20:59
tie. It was a
21:02
gorgeous spring day as the two said
21:04
their vows in front
21:06
of their flowing waterfall in a small group
21:08
of friends and family. As
21:10
the sun beamed down and they
21:12
said I do, two
21:14
butterflies landed on Colleen's
21:16
dress. Everyone
21:18
noticed and took it as a sign of good
21:20
luck. I guess they
21:23
haven't heard the rumor that white butterflies
21:25
carry the souls of deceased children and
21:28
no, I didn't make that up, but that's
21:30
neither here nor there. After
21:32
the wedding, Colleen and Rob bought
21:34
a house together. Rob
21:37
got promoted at the oil rigs and though
21:39
he was now a breadwinner of
21:41
the house, Colleen still managed all the
21:44
money and she gave Rob an
21:46
allowance like he was a little boy. She
21:49
became the sole source of tension
21:51
between them. As
21:53
Colleen obsessively made spreadsheets about their
21:55
savings goals and limited how much
21:58
cash Rob could take out out, did
22:00
dinner with his friends, Rob
22:03
became more and more resentful of
22:06
his controlling and domineering wife.
22:09
In November of 2014, they
22:12
were out with friends at a bar and got
22:14
into a huge argument about money. As
22:16
they left the bar, Rob got
22:18
into the driver's seat and started yelling
22:21
at Colleen. He'd had
22:23
enough of being controlled and was sick
22:25
and tired of her constant
22:27
monitoring of his money. Fueled
22:30
by alcohol and annoyed, Rob
22:34
drove erratically while Colleen
22:36
screamed back. Then,
22:38
she picked up her cell phone and
22:40
dialed 911, dropping the phone
22:43
on the floor before she could say anything to
22:45
the dispatcher. When Rob yelled,
22:48
get the fuck out of my car, the
22:50
phone hung up. The next
22:53
911 call placed by Colleen would
22:55
be on New Year's Eve, 2014. At
23:00
11.50pm, Colleen would call 911 and
23:02
say, I'm really drunk,
23:05
my husband hit me and I shot
23:07
him. But
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the truth behind what happened would
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fight all the way to the front door.
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25:10
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25:12
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25:15
opens the front door and barrels inside,
25:18
trying to get as far away from
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believe you. She hisses.
25:27
After everything we talked about before
25:29
the party, you spent
25:32
all that money. Colleen
25:34
goes on and on,
25:38
her face becoming redder and more angry
25:40
with every breath. Rob
25:43
storms off into the kitchen to get away
25:45
from her, but she follows him. He
25:48
leans on the counter and covers his
25:50
ears like a frustrated child. Enough,
25:54
he screams. I'm leaving. He
25:57
pushes past Colleen, grabbing his wallet and
25:59
keys. from the counter, where
26:01
he dropped them. What do you
26:03
mean you're leaving? Colleen cries. She's
26:07
desperate and drunk, swaying under the influence
26:09
of all the booze inside
26:11
of her. Rob says nothing,
26:13
then he stops at the door. As
26:16
drunk as he is, he knows this
26:19
is it. He is
26:21
done, and he tells her
26:24
out loud. I'm
26:26
done, Colleen. That
26:29
is when the rage comes. It
26:33
boils up inside of Colleen.
26:37
She turns on her heels
26:39
and spins around towards
26:42
the bedroom. She grabs
26:44
her gun and thunders
26:46
back into the hallway. She
26:49
doesn't even think before she does it. She
26:52
just raises it and
26:54
shoots twice. It
26:57
just bullseyes right
26:59
into her husband's face. She
27:02
watches as his eyes flicker
27:05
and the heavy
27:07
thud of his body slams on the
27:09
ground. She walks up to
27:11
him, looks down, and
27:14
steps over his body. She
27:16
turns around and points the gun
27:18
down, firing eight more times into
27:20
his chest. Her
27:23
hands are trembling. The
27:26
adrenaline tightens her arms and she
27:29
drops the gun. It
27:32
was as though she left her body
27:34
and came back. What
27:36
had she done? Moments
27:38
pass as her alcohol-infused brain
27:41
begins to calculate the
27:43
situation. Then she
27:46
reaches for her phone. Colleen
27:48
calls 911 and claims that Rob
27:51
had hit her. She plays the
27:54
victim. A distraught drunk
27:56
woman afraid for her life and her
27:59
safety. "'This never
28:02
happens,' says the Believe
28:05
Women movement. And here
28:07
we are. The abusive
28:09
husband has been put
28:11
to an end." But
28:13
Rob had never hurt Colleen
28:15
before. He
28:18
had no history of violence, and his friends
28:20
and family all swore that he
28:22
would never hit a woman. Colleen
28:25
was taken down to the police station
28:27
and right away began rambling off facts
28:30
about domestic violence victims. Battered
28:32
women. I wonder where she
28:34
got those facts. She
28:37
sat in her striped jumpsuit slamming
28:39
her feet on the ground screaming
28:42
about battered women. About
28:44
being a battered woman. But
28:47
the females on the staff were skeptical.
28:52
You could say that perhaps they didn't hashtag
28:54
Believe Women. Believe
28:56
Women don't necessarily go around
28:59
claiming they're battered after all. Sometimes
29:02
they don't even know they're
29:04
battered. Usually, in
29:06
fact. And Colleen was
29:08
trying to convince everyone that she was, in
29:11
fact, battered. Despite no
29:14
evidence whatsoever. The
29:16
shell casings on the ground in her
29:18
house determined that she had shot Rob
29:20
in the face. Then
29:23
when he was down, shot him eight
29:25
more times. When
29:28
it came time for her very public
29:30
trial, Colleen wept on
29:32
the stand. She
29:34
put on the performance of a lifetime.
29:38
The kind of performance that should be on lifetime.
29:41
It was that bad. Maybe
29:43
the Homework Channel. Anyway, she was
29:46
trying to save herself, so who can blame her? And
29:49
it worked. Juries are
29:51
stupid. There
29:53
were two of them hung. Yeah,
29:56
hung juries. She was
29:58
finally offered a plea deal. served
30:00
seven years for manslaughter.
30:04
Rob's family was obviously not satisfied,
30:06
but they agreed. It
30:09
was better than nothing, and another trial
30:11
could have seen her walk away without
30:14
serving a single day,
30:16
because juries are
30:19
nice to women, comparatively.
30:22
Colleen McKernan did her
30:24
seven years and is now free.
30:27
She's out and living her best life right
30:30
now, probably freely
30:33
listening to true crime podcasts like this
30:35
one. Hi, Colleen. Rob,
30:39
however, is dead. His
30:43
family suffers every single day
30:46
knowing that. He will
30:48
never come back. He's
30:50
gone. Rob's mother, Kathy, has
30:53
a pain she has to live
30:55
with forever, and
30:59
it's not just the fact that she lost
31:01
her only child. No, the
31:04
reality, the objective one, is
31:07
much worse than that. You see,
31:10
the bullets that were used to
31:12
murder her son Rob were
31:15
the ones that she purchased for Colleen on
31:19
that Christmas. The
31:21
irony of real
31:23
life can sometimes be devastating.
31:28
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