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straight from NFL Live, thank you

2:06

for just outshining me, Bill,

2:08

in the first week of this show. You

2:10

know what this is like? This is like when

2:12

you have 10 people on the field on a

2:14

play and 12 people on the field on a

2:17

play. The average is 11. The average

2:19

is just right. I feel like the appropriate

2:21

garbage is halfway between my outfit and your

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outfit for podcasting. Yes, for the YouTube audience.

2:25

Sorry, I keep starting this way talking about

2:27

what we look like when most of y'all

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are listening. I do have my Jerry from

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Succession, you little slime puppy t-shirt, which

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I bought at like one in the

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morning with a Twitter ad.

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They work sometimes. Bill, I promise I am not going

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to bring up the time

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I saw you speak at some

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bar in Manhattan for football outsiders

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15 years ago. But that shows

2:49

how long we've been doing this together. Yes?

2:51

Do you know who was in the bathroom

2:53

when I gave that speech and I went

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to the bathroom? Absolutely not,

2:58

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Pierce. Wow. And

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Giants great Antonio Pierce, who

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is also the subject

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of the first question I ever

3:10

asked at a Super Bowl press

3:12

conference to Bill Belichick in

3:15

2007. I just

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thought he'd like I know he likes talking about

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other players more nicely than

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his own players. So I had some sort

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of Giants linebackers Antonio Pierce, the history of

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Giants linebackers question. And he totally gave me

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a great answer. There you go. Love

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Antonio Pierce. Love the NFC. Love this

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entire week at NFL Daily. And Bill,

3:35

I thank you for helping me wrap

3:37

it up. We're going to go through

3:39

every single NFC team. We're going to

3:42

talk just like I did with Mina

3:44

yesterday about what we think is

3:46

the most intriguing storyline about this team heading into training

3:48

camp. Could be part of training camp. Could be bigger

3:50

picture. I'll get going right

3:53

now with the NFC East. And I'm going

3:55

to start with Jalen Hertz. One of the

3:58

quotes that I found most.

4:00

interesting over the last couple of months

4:02

was from Jalen hurts talking about how

4:04

it's gonna take him time to get

4:06

ready and comfortable with this offense and that

4:08

need to rep it rep it rep it

4:11

until he really knows what it is because

4:14

95% of this offense is New

4:16

and that told me this really is

4:18

Kellen Moore's offense It's not Nick Sirianni's

4:20

offense and that offense that

4:22

they ran was wildly

4:25

effective Should have won the Super

4:27

Bowl like had a much better offensive performance in the

4:29

Super Bowl than either of the teams last year that

4:31

that's for Sure, it didn't get

4:33

it done and then slowly eroded and it

4:35

really does seem like Nick Sirianni is handing

4:38

over the keys To more and

4:40

I don't know how Jalen hurts and the rest

4:42

of this team is gonna handle it It's gonna

4:44

take some time But to me that's that's the

4:46

most exciting thing and most intriguing thing to me

4:48

with this Eagles team going into camp Yeah

4:50

a couple things I would say number one I want

4:53

to see how it adjusts

4:55

in terms of what it keeps from the Sirianni

4:57

offense I know one of the big things that

5:00

popped up with the Sirianni offense is that they

5:02

really do not have good answers for the Blitz

5:04

they didn't like they didn't have a lot of

5:06

like the built-in adjustments that teams have a lot

5:08

of it was just Jalen You know make a

5:10

guy miss or toss them all up to one

5:12

of your star receivers and let them figure it

5:15

out and like to see More built-in answers for

5:17

the blitz, but I also wonder what happens if

5:19

the offense struggles early in the season Which adjusting

5:21

to a new offense is gonna happen very often

5:23

I think there's real concerns about you know Are

5:25

they gonna abandon what they didn't go back to

5:27

what worked in years past with the Sirianni style

5:29

offense? Are they going to you know

5:31

sort of be willing to? endure

5:33

some of the growing pains that happen as you adjust

5:36

to a new offense because We did

5:38

see them a couple years ago Jalen hurts his first full

5:40

season as a starter Really shift the offense as the year

5:42

went along and it was for the better I wonder if

5:44

they might do it again and have it be for the

5:46

worst this time around and The

5:48

patience just isn't gonna be there It's never a

5:51

great situation when it's a do-or-die year

5:53

for the coaching staff yet

5:55

There's new systems on both sides of the

5:58

ball. It's a weird combination and yeah I

6:01

do believe in the roster. The offense is so

6:03

talented. The defense, I think, is more talented than

6:05

people give credit for that. I think they will

6:07

figure it out. Another team, obviously, at

6:09

the top of the division, it's the Eagles and the Cowboys, and it's

6:11

everyone else. They're trying to figure out who

6:14

their running backs are, who their wide receivers are.

6:16

So this is one intriguing storyline to me that

6:19

is about camp, because I want to see how

6:21

it shakes out. These are some position

6:23

battles that matter. People were a little

6:26

more surprised than I expected that Brandon

6:28

Cooks was in decline last

6:30

year, because he had been in

6:32

decline for a couple of years. Yeah,

6:34

I don't know if he's done as an effective receiver,

6:36

but he's not a great number two. And then you

6:39

have Jalen Tolber and Gavonta Turpin and

6:42

Jalen Brooks. I don't know

6:44

how that's going to shake out at running back

6:46

at Zeke. It's Dowdle. It's Deuce Vaughn.

6:48

It's Royce Freeman. I

6:51

don't know if they're going to pick up someone

6:53

during camp for either of these positions, but I am

6:56

curious who ends up getting the reps. It

6:58

does feel like it would have happened by now. I

7:00

mean, there's guys out there, and Hunter Renfro's out there,

7:02

who's a very viable slot receiver, or has been at

7:04

his best of the past. There were running backs out

7:07

there who the Cowboys could have signed, could have drafted.

7:09

They did not address any of

7:12

those positions. They've been talking about playing

7:14

Deuce Vaughn in the slot, which feels

7:16

like peak off-season in terms of the

7:18

stories. So I actually

7:21

ranked the Cowboys I think 17th or 18th in

7:24

my Playmaker rankings for espn.com this

7:26

off-season, and expected

7:28

more pushback than I actually got. I

7:30

mean, CD-Lam is a legit

7:32

number one star, and yet they're below

7:34

average outside of tight end everywhere

7:37

else. I mean, they're maybe top bottom

7:39

five running back situation, maybe bottom five

7:41

wide receiver two wide receiver three situation.

7:44

This offense would be DOA

7:46

if CD-Lam got injured,

7:49

and that's great leverage for CD-Lam as he

7:51

negotiates a new contract. And

7:53

DOA if Dak Prescott wasn't making

7:55

them all look better and until

7:58

the playoffs, getting underappreciated. Washington,

8:00

this is an answer we

8:02

probably won't get fully until the regular

8:05

season. I'm curious, what

8:07

is this version of Cliff Kingsbury's offense

8:09

look like? But more specifically, does

8:12

he have a little offensive line magic? The

8:15

nicest thing you can say about Cliff other than

8:17

his handsomeness and his

8:19

houses and his ability to

8:22

make money, let's face it, despite losing accurate. The

8:24

opposite of me, I feel like in every way.

8:28

So I think they did

8:30

a good job with their offensive lines in Arizona

8:32

that kind of got swept under the

8:34

rug. Like they always thought they overperformed in terms

8:36

of the talent that they had in the running

8:38

game and in pass protected Kyler Murray pretty well.

8:40

So they're going to need to like he's this

8:42

offensive line is not that talented. And that to

8:44

me is the number one concern with Jean Daniels.

8:46

It's any rookie quarterback that would be a concern.

8:49

And someone that didn't always have great reps under

8:51

pressure, you know, most most college quarterbacks do what

8:53

he was so good on the reps. He was

8:56

protected that it was a big difference that I

8:58

do worry about that. But maybe Cliff can cook

9:00

up some schemes that's going to protect his

9:02

young guy. I'm really intrigued.

9:04

I sort of wonder, is

9:06

this going to be an offense where

9:08

it operates the same way it did in Arizona?

9:11

Because Arizona was one of the most empty

9:13

friendly teams in football. They ran at

9:16

one of the highest rates in the league sent

9:18

five receivers out into routes at one

9:20

of the highest rates in the league, blocked with

9:23

five players at one of the highest rates in

9:25

the league. And, you know, there's

9:27

ways to make that work. It's not always simple.

9:29

It's just, you know, backs protecting and sending as

9:31

many blockers as possible, because if you have more

9:34

blockers, that's usually the defenses will add on more

9:36

rushers. It isn't as simple as saying, hey, we're

9:38

going to block with eight, send two guys out,

9:40

that'll solve our problems. But it also is easier

9:42

to block with extra people. And

9:45

so they did go out and sign Zach Ertz. I

9:48

wonder if this is 18 that uses more

9:50

to tight end sets this year. I was

9:52

with Benson out there as well. I wonder

9:54

if they are a team that goes out

9:56

and, you know, tries to make Jaden

9:59

Daniels life easier. by having more

10:01

people in protecting than maybe their war

10:03

for Kyler Murray in Arizona. Hmm.

10:06

Yeah, that's a good point because they

10:08

drafted the tight end too. And it

10:10

just isn't that talented. I mean, this is these are

10:13

positions that they're not going to be

10:15

stars, especially in the offensive line, but you you

10:17

can find some veterans maybe cuts. When

10:19

I mentioned the Cowboys, like if they're going to do

10:21

it, they would have done it by now. It's probably

10:23

guys who couldn't make other teams rosters, which is never

10:25

how you want to build your team. But I have

10:28

a feeling guys who don't make other teams roster might

10:30

be able to make the Cowboys at least at running

10:32

back and receiver and maybe the Washington offensive line. Finally,

10:34

the Giants, you're a

10:36

recovering Giants fan. You try to hide

10:38

it. I always like to bring it up. I

10:40

could bring up the QB battle because I think

10:42

it's going to be battle. That's fine. I could

10:44

bring up the front four, which is awesome. That's

10:46

cool. Yeah. But I do want

10:49

to get your take on my take

10:51

that this hard knocks off season is

10:53

actually the best giant season since

10:56

maybe Ben McAdoo, maybe even the Super

10:58

Bowl. What do you think? Yes,

11:00

I think it's better than the Ben McAdoo year. I mean,

11:03

that was a good, that was, you know, Eli kind of

11:05

wasn't Eli kind of great that year if I, if I

11:07

remember, like that was kind of a fun year. He

11:09

was, he was actually impressive with McAdoo.

11:12

I'm really turning things around after they

11:15

went out and changed which which coordinators

11:17

there I, I've

11:20

liked it because it feels honest to me or

11:22

mostly honest to me, which, you

11:24

know, I think there's been like this shock,

11:26

this shock reaction to it of just like,

11:28

Oh my God, they're talking this way about

11:30

these players or like, that's how front offices

11:32

talk about people. That is what you get

11:34

from people behind the scenes. So I know

11:36

they're hiding some stuff. It does

11:38

feel like I like Joe Shane a lot more. I

11:41

didn't dislike Joe Shane, but it does

11:43

feel like I like the people who are in charge

11:45

of the Giants more. And it's putting them in a

11:47

position where they look like human beings, which after the

11:49

Joe judge era, that was the exact and they've got

11:51

them in error, I should say that was the exact

11:53

opposite of how I felt about the Giants front office.

11:55

So it does feel like they're humanizing the people who

11:58

are making these decisions, which I think is nice. Yeah,

12:00

can we can we lay off? Florio and

12:02

I saw Albert beer right about

12:05

it too. It's like, is this going

12:07

too far? Are they giving away too much

12:09

info? And now we're not going to get

12:11

cool content. It's like they're not giving away

12:13

that much. This is selectively edited. Everyone looks

12:16

great. It's interesting. Like, let's not

12:18

be a snitch here. Those articles you're

12:20

like speaking into existence are the reasons

12:23

why NFL Films will be having some

12:25

sort of meeting and they'll be printing out

12:27

Florio and Breers article. It's just like, let's

12:29

calm down. It's interesting. I'm just pleasantly surprised

12:31

that to me it's been more compelling than

12:33

a lot of the in

12:35

season hard knocks or even maybe even the camp

12:37

hard knocks because we've gotten. Yeah, I agree. I

12:40

agree. And you know what? Seeing Drake may break down

12:42

a play. It doesn't mean having secret into Drake may.

12:44

It's going to be okay. It's going to be

12:46

fine. All right. I'm going to have you take

12:48

care of the NFC North bill and tell

12:51

me what you got for most intriguing storylines.

12:53

We're going North. Okay. So let's start

12:55

with the Chicago Bears where everyone's

12:58

talked about how great the receiving core is

13:00

for Caleb Williams. But what about the offensive

13:02

line? They traded the fifth round pick for

13:04

Ryan Bates, a guy they tried to sign

13:06

as an RFA a couple of years ago.

13:08

Ryan Bates was benched by the Bills after

13:10

one year as a starter. He's probably going

13:12

to start at center. He played tackle and

13:14

guard for the Bills. Nate Davis. They're a

13:16

big free signing from a year ago at

13:18

guard. Wasn't it mandatory? Minicamp was not good

13:20

last year. They're kind of relying on him

13:22

to be a regular up front.

13:24

Coleman Shelton figures in somewhere here. But

13:26

for all the talk we had this

13:28

offseason about how great Caleb Williams situation

13:31

is, and it is really great at

13:33

receiver and with the playmakers, which

13:35

intimate concerns about whether the offensive line is up

13:37

to the task on the other side of the

13:39

offense. Yes, absolutely. Because we

13:41

just don't know with this coaching staff

13:44

whether they can provide like a

13:46

schematic advantage for him or

13:48

not. Like I have high

13:50

hopes because it's Caleb Williams and like you have a

13:53

lot to work with at wide receiver. But on

13:55

paper, it's not great.

13:57

And I appreciate your professional.

13:59

Bill and just trucking through

14:01

us playing like the hard knock sound underneath the Giants

14:04

because I mean like you're a TV pro Now you

14:06

literally came straight from the set I almost feel bad

14:08

now that you just went from an hour of live

14:10

TV to doing this But yeah bears

14:12

will be on hard knocks, too It's a long

14:15

way of me saying like that's cool It's fun

14:17

to have a cool bears team the Eber flu

14:19

school up is is awesome And the defensive

14:21

talent at least in the back seven is

14:24

great But I absolutely agree that is the

14:26

number one concern for me for that team

14:28

really both lines And it's why I'm not

14:30

gonna pick them to play make the playoffs

14:33

spoiler alert for an article or a

14:36

podcast like months from now Because

14:38

they're not I always go like for the teams that are

14:40

kind of on the borderline which they would be Like

14:43

if who's the best offensive line defensive line like it's

14:45

such a dorky thing to say but it's kind of

14:47

true It just feels like it provides a floor for

14:50

a team and they probably don't

14:52

have that floor on either side The

14:55

Detroit Lions a little

14:57

more traditional fantasy football

14:59

analysis here does the Jameson Williams

15:01

hype Survive training camp

15:04

because it is easy to

15:06

hype a potential impact wide receiver in

15:08

May This is the Skymore rule

15:11

if you want to go back to last year Not

15:13

so easy to hype them in training camp

15:15

and into the season Jameson Williams, of course

15:18

We can say hey, he was injured for

15:20

most of his rookie year He was suspended

15:22

for the start of his second season I

15:24

know he had a didn't he scored that

15:27

word that reverse touchdown for the Lions in

15:29

the energy team? So that was just

15:31

highlight as a pro so far But this is

15:33

a guy the Lions traded up in the first

15:35

round to grab they saw him as a superstar

15:37

And it's what they need. It's like the one

15:39

piece on offense They don't have is a guy

15:41

who can win at all three levels So does

15:44

Dan Campbell still say he's the most

15:46

improved player on the roster by the

15:48

training camp? Hope

15:50

so because Dan Campbell love

15:53

him for this is very Giving

15:57

in terms of not not hiding

15:59

what where a player is at. When he has a

16:01

player he doesn't like, I'm trying to think of who

16:03

it was. Was it Donovan Peoples Jones? No, it was

16:05

someone that they ended up cutting Denzel

16:09

Mims. And they're like, yeah, he's on the roster when

16:11

they asked him about him. And they let everyone

16:13

know, we're not happy

16:15

with Jameson Williams. And then they flipped late last

16:17

season. And I remember going back and watching a

16:20

ton of Jameson Williams routes, hoping

16:22

to do a little segment on his

16:25

growth about what they're talking about. And

16:28

I don't know if it was all there. There

16:30

were some really good just regular NFL routes, like

16:32

comebacks where it was timed well. And it was

16:34

like a 17 yard catch by Jameson Williams. And

16:36

it was like, you hadn't seen a lot of

16:38

that. And so that's nice, but it wasn't a

16:40

ton of them. So I don't wanna

16:42

get too carried away. I was surprised

16:44

they didn't look for another receiver. So usually

16:46

teams speak with their actions and they spoke

16:48

with a lot of confidence. And if you

16:50

remember, he also had a big time drop

16:52

in the NFC championship game, but he also

16:54

made an incredible catch. And I'm hoping I'm

16:57

remembering this right to essentially

16:59

give them a chance to kick an onside

17:01

kick on fourth down when they were

17:03

wasting too much time at the end of the game. So it's like, he's given

17:05

you some nice plays. He doesn't need to be the best receiver in the league,

17:08

but if he can give you 800, 900 yards and

17:10

a bunch of big plays, they'd be thrilled. Yeah,

17:12

I mean, they did not replace Josh Reynolds

17:14

after they let him go to the Broncos

17:16

this off season in free agency. The

17:19

Grimmin Packers, really fascinating what's

17:21

happening here with their defensive

17:23

coordinator situation. They hired Jeff Halfley from

17:25

Boston College after he was the head

17:27

coach there. And over the last four

17:29

years, Jeff Halfley

17:31

ran single high coverages more

17:33

than any other coach in college football

17:35

by a considerable margin. I think he

17:37

was like 67%, someone

17:40

else is at 61, nobody else was in the 60s. He

17:43

was head and shoulders about the

17:45

competition when it came to single high looks.

17:47

And this is a league where it's been

17:49

talked about plenty that the, I

17:52

have to use my jargon correctly, sorry. Single

17:55

high. I'm gonna be talking to you in the course

17:57

in the end right now, Bill. Be careful. to

28:00

be a safety or

28:03

something closer to a linebacker or really maybe best

28:05

as some kind of hybrid player. I actually really

28:07

like the idea of him being in Mike McDonald's

28:09

defense before they cut him, which I had to

28:12

cut him for cap reasons for financial reasons. He

28:14

was making too much money, but I

28:16

do wonder, you know, going forward

28:18

if he plays regularly, I would

28:21

assume he'll be at least on paper a safety,

28:23

but how often does he play in the box?

28:25

How often is he blitzing the quarterback? Because that's

28:27

really what his aim is at this point. You

28:29

don't want him in coverage. You don't want him

28:32

against tight ends. You don't want him against slot

28:34

receivers. You don't want him against Debo Samuel, but

28:37

rushing the quarterback being a guy who does,

28:39

you know, factor in when you're

28:41

blitzing. I feel like that is kind of a

28:43

useful player in the right spot. Yeah, Denard

28:45

Wilson, who, as you

28:48

know, Bill comes from Baltimore and

28:50

the Mike McDonald tree. We're going to

28:52

talk about that on Monday, actually, with

28:54

Nate Tice and Jordan Rodriig. Like, oh,

28:56

wow, these coaches are going out the

28:58

stars. Yeah, it is. We're going big

29:00

in the first week. I'm excited about

29:02

that show. This defense is weird. Kenneth

29:04

Murray is heavily involved. Also a

29:06

player. Not that hasn't been great in

29:08

coverage. Like I love the luxurious need pickup.

29:12

It seems uneven. We don't know much about

29:14

Wilson. I think it's a below

29:16

average group in terms of talent, but I

29:18

think Jamal Adams is worth a shot. Like,

29:20

yeah, these prices like he absolutely is

29:23

worth a shot. Also worth a shot. The NFC West. I'm going

29:25

to do my most intriguing

29:27

thing to start with about the Arizona Cardinals

29:29

going into this year. And it's

29:31

just Kyler year two in Drew Petsig's

29:34

offense. Kyler Murray is 26

29:36

years old. Like I could do the whole like he's

29:38

only this much older than Michael Pennocks, but it's a

29:40

thing like like we do not

29:42

need to write the book on Kyler Murray.

29:44

We have seen players that talented who in

29:47

their first four or five years of their career, they're

29:50

good and you see the talent, but they're maybe

29:53

not exactly what you expect. And they

29:55

get more mature. They get more football

29:57

intelligent. They get more emotionally intelligent.

29:59

They take big hits like a

30:01

torn ACL that Keeps

30:04

you out for half a season and you come

30:06

back and I thought it was a nice fit

30:08

last year I went back and watched his offseason

30:10

tape and I Thought

30:13

he did some things just from a plane from

30:15

the pocket Perspective and making good decisions that he

30:17

hadn't always done before and he wasn't quite

30:19

all the way there physically But he was just

30:22

pretty good and a full year

30:24

healthy in this offense with Marvin

30:26

Harrison Junior I'm really excited

30:28

because to me he is still box office

30:30

and like he gets I believe

30:32

slept on a little bit as a guy It's like would

30:35

it be that shocking if Kyler Murray when

30:38

Bill Barnwell is writing his week eight

30:40

MVP Like bladder. I know

30:42

you do I used to do that like that

30:44

Kyler Murray's on it He's literally been on it

30:46

like twice before it would not be that shocking

30:49

if it happens again where he just like starts

30:51

really hot And is the old exciting Kyler Murray

30:53

the way you said I used to like it

30:55

was oh my god That

30:58

was something you know, I don't I'm above that now,

31:00

but in the past I used to do that No,

31:02

you're right weekly. That's all that was in my mind.

31:04

I assigned it to myself. It was fun I should

31:06

do it here. I should do it on the podcast.

31:08

It's fun. You have every right to do that I

31:11

I think the thing about Kyler Murray that makes

31:13

that so accurate is This

31:16

isn't like an Andy Dalton situation where Andy

31:18

Dalton was kind of okay for four or

31:20

five years And then just had that one

31:22

year where everything went right the offensive line

31:24

was healthy He had great playmakers and he

31:26

had a career that was so far beyond

31:28

what he played at any level for any

31:30

significant period of time Kyler Murray

31:32

was an MVP candidate earlier in his career

31:34

at mid-season. I think that was the year

31:36

I Want to say the

31:38

Bills hail Mary year right where they was they

31:40

beat the bills. Yeah I mean if things fell

31:42

off a cliff, but yes, yes No, but that

31:44

was it at that point of

31:47

the year it would not have been shocking

31:49

in the slightest to go and talk about

31:51

Kyler Murray as a Not

31:54

an MVP favorite but certainly deep

31:56

in the MVP discussion and we

31:59

have not seen him, number one, with all

32:01

of them being true. We've only seen him

32:04

in a cliff game before last year, which

32:07

might not be a great NFL OC. That's not

32:09

out of their own possibility that he's upgraded

32:11

massively offensive coordinator, Richard Petzing. He has not been

32:13

100%, which in the last year he was like

32:15

you said, he was better. He could run,

32:17

but he was not necessarily consistently 100%. And last

32:21

year, I believe when

32:23

he came back, Marques

32:26

Brown was pretty much hurt for the

32:28

vast majority of that stretch without the

32:30

entire stretch, which meant he had probably

32:33

bottom three NFL wide receivers

32:35

for that entire stretch. He had Trimmick Bride,

32:37

which helps and James Connor was really good

32:39

last year, but now you're adding a legit

32:41

potential number one receiver in Marvin Harrison. To

32:44

me, I think it's so

32:46

much better around him this year that

32:48

that's absolutely within the range of outcomes for

32:50

Kyler Murray is an MVP caliber campaign. It's

32:52

also he could be the 24th best quarterback

32:55

in football. And I don't see that. See,

32:57

that's where I push back. I don't think

32:59

he could be. I mean, as long

33:02

as he's healthy, I think his

33:04

floor is middle middle of

33:06

the pack. And I know there's more good quarterbacks than

33:09

you think when you actually write out the list. You're

33:11

like, wow, the 17th best quarterback is pretty good. But

33:13

to me, that's his floor. That's how much I

33:15

believe in him. And I think this offense ran really

33:17

well for the most part, like schematically. It was a

33:20

really good running game at the end of the last

33:22

year. And he'll help that. And yeah, I expect Marvin

33:24

Harrison Jr. to be awesome. Maybe I'm just projecting. But

33:26

Trey McBride already is awesome to me. He could be

33:28

a top five quarterback. I don't know

33:31

why I went top five tight end. I don't know why I

33:33

went MVP. Like I just I guess just put a was not

33:35

playing that you put a mic in front of me and it's

33:37

like I just feel like I got to go first take. I

33:39

just I'm excited. I'm excited to see what he what he does.

33:41

Let's go to the Rams. Little

33:44

drumbeat this offseason. Got to be

33:46

careful in OTAs. This does tend

33:48

to happen. But the Cooper Cup

33:51

revival season is just

33:53

it's been sprinkled out there. We're friends with

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with JB Long, who's there. Play

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46:55

32 teams in two days. My

46:59

guy Bill Barnwell, handling

47:01

the NFC with me. Been

47:04

doing this a long time, Bill. It's an up and down business.

47:08

But Bill Barnwell goes nowhere. He is the

47:10

foundation upon which this business is

47:12

built. Don't

47:14

go long. I told you I had to get

47:17

on with customer service at ESPN

47:19

Plus just to read your articles. And Zach Lowe's,

47:21

I gotta admit. It's both of you. Zach

47:24

Lowe's great. It really bothered me. Somehow my cookies were

47:26

messing it up and I'm just too old and I

47:29

had to get into it. But yeah, the

47:31

best writer out there. You're gonna help us

47:33

go through the NFC South and then we'll

47:36

do a little extra and

47:38

say goodbye. Beautiful. Let's

47:40

start with the New Orleans Saints

47:43

because there's like a weird

47:45

game of reverse life rich

47:47

happening in New Orleans. Alvin

47:50

Kamara, when he signed his deal with the

47:52

Saints, I think it was five years, 75

47:54

million. Won at $15 million a year

47:56

or was aged at $115 million a year on paper. as

54:00

a team with as much recent successes as they've had

54:02

in all these division championships in a row could be

54:05

and it's partly because yeah that the offense looks like

54:07

it's gonna be blah at best. Yeah

54:09

it does feel like the post-Kurt Warner Cardinals

54:11

right like you know you

54:14

guys made it to the Super Bowl but if you

54:17

asked fans to name 32 teams they

54:19

probably get 30 and forget the Buccaneers unfortunately. I

54:21

feel bad they're a fun team to watch at

54:24

their best defense is really fun. They were compelling

54:26

last year I have to admit. Yeah and if

54:28

they had any sort of running game I think

54:30

the offense would actually be good so hopefully they

54:33

can just get to like 24th in yards

54:35

per carry. If they can just on average

54:37

like 3.4 yards per carry every

54:39

single week that would be fun. At

54:41

light of Falcons 30 second and

54:43

final team in Greg's

54:46

breakdown are

54:48

the Falcons really gonna go into the season

54:50

with this as their pass rush. I mean

54:53

their top two rushers last year

54:55

by by sack total six and a

54:57

half each. Goliath Campbell and Bud Dupree

54:59

are both gone. Their biggest

55:01

addition since offseason were James

55:03

Smith Williams from Washington and Rook

55:05

O'Roe Roroe, Rook O'Roe Roroe sorry

55:07

too many rows that's

55:10

on me I apologize and Braylon Trice so a

55:12

couple of rookies to the front seven not

55:15

really a lot there at

55:17

Edgerusher even last season with Dupree as

55:19

their primary Edgerusher you know they have

55:21

Lorenzo Carter they have some young guys

55:24

but for a team that

55:26

signed Kirk Cousins which tells me they

55:28

think they're capable of making the postseason

55:30

this year for a team that has

55:32

pieces in the secondary kind

55:35

of shocked they did not do more to

55:37

add pass rushing in terms of veteran pass

55:39

rushers to this roster. I

55:42

love that you brought this up I love that

55:44

you've been like a little more negative I would

55:46

say than me and Mina in this exercise and

55:48

that's definitely need a little bit of that because

55:51

when I when I've heard like the

55:54

Kirk Cousins like joins a ready-made Super

55:57

Bowl roster this team was lucky to be

55:59

average last year year. I mean

56:01

I'm not saying Arthur Smith like did a good

56:03

job maximizing their talent

56:05

that's that's not my point but

56:09

they were lucky to win as many games

56:11

as they were. They had a profile of

56:13

more of a five or six win team

56:15

like the rest of the NFC South that

56:17

because their schedule was unbelievably easy not even

56:19

in division but out of division they all

56:21

looked like a little better they weren't average

56:23

and defensively that you know

56:25

Ryan Nielsen goes to Jacksonville and you get Raheem

56:27

Morris who has done a great job as a

56:29

coordinator but pure talent I

56:32

think is bottom five in just

56:34

pure defensive talent and so

56:37

when you're a coordinator for a team

56:39

like that especially with a pass rush

56:41

other than Jarrett and Onyamata are good

56:43

inside but uh I don't

56:45

know I don't see it as some Super

56:47

Bowl made ready roster because the

56:50

defense matters and and there's there's some

56:52

questions on the offense obviously cousins is

56:54

health is number one but it's more

56:56

about the defense yeah I mean

56:58

you you named Jarrett and Onyamata those are good players

57:00

but aren't they both on the wrong side of 30

57:03

yes yes and Onyamata coming off coming off two

57:05

really good years but also two really good years

57:07

in this same style system which isn't quite the

57:10

same and his best to you so yeah

57:13

and Jesse Bates is there and AJ Terrell is there

57:15

like they have dudes but it's kind of like the

57:17

the Cowboys receiver group it's like

57:19

it kind of doesn't matter if you have two

57:21

dudes in the secondary if you have two or

57:23

three spots that are just way

57:25

below league average those other two can only

57:28

help you so much right all

57:30

32 teams we did it we did it though you

57:32

did 16 but I did 16

57:34

I feel like I could have credit for

57:36

this one but I'm happy to take credit

57:39

for Menas accomplishments at any time so I'm

57:41

happy I did all 32 wonderful work by

57:43

me and yeah

57:45

wonderful to spend this week starting

57:48

this show NFL daily and my

57:51

after-dinner mint today it's a

57:53

nice little way we we wrap up the

57:56

show here bill it's just answering like some

57:58

questions I've heard from The

58:00

listeners, I've had one specifically from a

58:03

friend of a friend, Dallas friends with

58:05

my guy, Stephen, who was just like, can you tell? And I've seen

58:07

this from our listeners to

58:09

have just like, what's the regular season schedule going to

58:11

be like? So I'm just doing some housekeeping here, Bill.

58:14

And I'm pointing out, you're like, yeah, of course, we're

58:16

going to have a great preview

58:18

show. And I'm really

58:20

excited about that. And the details of that

58:22

are coming. And we'll have our Sunday night

58:25

recap show. And I love as

58:27

an NBA fan. I love the shows that go live

58:29

right after the games. And you can either watch it

58:31

right afterwards or you have it in your podcast feed

58:33

like an hour later or at worst if you're on

58:35

the West Coast and you wake up and you play

58:37

it. And so that that we're going to do all

58:39

that like the Monday nights, Thursday nights, obviously

58:42

preview the recap shows. And I've told you

58:44

who's going to be part of it. I

58:46

told you who's on Monday. I'm really excited.

58:48

A fun show coming on Tuesday with with

58:50

Colleen Wolf and Patrick Claiborne

58:52

and a special guest there.

58:54

And so that is it

58:57

from a scheduling perspective. And I want

58:59

to thank you, Bill, for joining me

59:01

and Mina and everyone that

59:03

that's been on this show this week and

59:05

everyone that has reached out those

59:07

closest to me and then also the

59:09

listeners. Look,

59:11

it's it's been challenging. It's been a

59:13

week to like it's been a lot

59:15

jumping into this. But I'm so excited

59:17

about just making this show better and

59:19

doing it every day and

59:22

like growing with it because it's going to

59:24

get better and it's fun right now. And

59:26

I don't know, I'm just so corny that

59:28

like I love football. Like I really do.

59:30

And I love you all. And

59:32

like I love being able to do this. And

59:34

I appreciate everyone close to

59:37

me who's been reaching out this week. It does mean

59:39

a lot to me. And if you've made it this

59:41

far in the show, you are one of those people.

59:43

You are close to me. And

59:45

Bill is just laughing over there. But

59:48

yeah, the email address is NFL Daily

59:50

podcast at Gmail dot com. Any thoughts,

59:52

any questions? We're going to start integrating

59:54

that into the show so listeners can

59:56

reach out. You're doing overtime, Bill. You're

59:58

off. You did an hour. a television

1:00:00

and now an hour here, you are

1:00:02

done. Thank you, my friend, my longtime

1:00:04

friend. Of course, Greg, a

1:00:06

lot of people, myself included, are

1:00:08

rooting for you. So I hope you guys

1:00:10

enjoyed this week's shows. Hopefully I

1:00:12

didn't drag it down. Happily you should save me for

1:00:15

the end of the week. You got the stars out

1:00:17

first, but anytime, Greg. Not at all.

1:00:19

We wanted to go big first week, and I

1:00:21

was like, me and Bill would be great. So

1:00:23

yeah, we will be back on

1:00:26

Monday, as I mentioned earlier. Jordan

1:00:29

Rodriig, and Nate Tice

1:00:31

talking schemes, getting dorky, getting

1:00:33

a little dorky, I

1:00:36

got to admit, and then we'll have some fun with Colleen and

1:00:38

Patrick on Tuesday. Until then,

1:00:40

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