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so I will be there for Bears Jags as well.

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Keep listening to this podcast because I

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think we might try to do a

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little bit of a meetup when I

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tape my preview show just in one

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week. We're going to be taping

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it at the Bears

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bar. If everything goes, goes according to

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plan, the Bears have an official team

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bar and yeah, we might, we might let the listeners

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know, but we've got to make sure it's locked down.

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For now we're focused on Vikings,

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Jats and all the other, you know,

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week five games. Yes. And

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it's so much fun to look forward to. We're going from

1:41

smallest to the biggest spread. Yeah. This

1:43

week, but we start where everything will

1:45

start on Sunday. It is the red

1:47

hot Sam Darnold lead. There

1:50

it is. So the Vikings

1:52

a two and a half point favorite

1:54

against Aaron Rogers and the jets who

1:56

scored nine points. It was a miss Greg,

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the leg field. from 50 to

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give the Denver Broncos the win

2:03

at MetLife concerns and

2:05

consternation abound in New Jersey.

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Greg. Absolutely. With this

2:10

matchup coming up and

2:12

you're coming off a game where the Broncos

2:14

really tested your protection. It's not just the

2:16

cadence that was a problem. It was where

2:18

are these rushers coming from on that Denver

2:20

Broncos defense. They lead the league in blitz

2:22

rate. Well, you know, who's number two and

2:25

sends even maybe more problems

2:27

that'll mess with your mind. It is

2:29

the Minnesota Vikings. Uh, Ola fashion. Who

2:31

got his first started right tackle really

2:33

struggled their interior line for the jets,

2:35

which had been playing well, but had

2:37

a step up in competition last week

2:39

and suddenly wasn't playing well. Their, their

2:42

young player, Joe Tippmann in the middle to

2:44

now you got to deal with this Minnesota

2:46

crew and get this offense going.

2:48

Yeah. You got Jonathan Granard, you know, Alex

2:50

van ginkle, these guys coming off the edges.

2:53

What's, what's interesting to me too with, when

2:55

this is a huge game for the jets,

2:57

it may not seem so, but this really

2:59

kicks off a significant stretch because after this

3:02

they play the bills, they play the Steelers,

3:04

then the Patriots and Texans, right?

3:06

If they don't get a win right here, it could

3:08

get a little greasy. Patrick for

3:10

the, for the jets. I like the

3:13

Vikings in this game. Not only with

3:16

the points, not only because of like what

3:18

you said defensively, they

3:20

are just finding their groove.

3:22

I mean, I just think offensively with

3:25

your boy, with your favorite

3:27

player, Sam Darnold, Greg, your favorite

3:29

quarterback on quarterback Island, they've

3:32

got it working. I mean, Aaron Jones gives them

3:35

options in the backfield. He's throwing the ball downfield

3:37

and they've got Justin Jefferson, right?

3:39

They've got other players here. Okay. Sauce Gardner

3:41

and Justin Jefferson. JJ is not going to

3:43

care. He doesn't care.

3:45

So I really do like this game. And

3:48

like, like I was saying, if the jets don't

3:50

win this, it's about to get real extra crazy

3:53

coming back to New Jersey. Yeah. Justin Jefferson

3:55

actually had one of the sauciest quotes of

3:58

the season. It was referenced. sensing a jet

4:00

because people were asking that you know the forty nine are

4:02

coming in and they were

4:05

tough for for Garrett Wilson and he said with

4:07

all due respect I'm not Garrett

4:09

Wilson with all do respect and so like

4:11

I guess whenever somebody says all due respect

4:13

is all right well you're about to tell

4:15

me how much respect is actually doing Aaron

4:17

Rogers the third highest rate in the NFL

4:19

in quick passes under two and a half

4:21

seconds going to need to do that it

4:23

didn't necessarily help against the Denver Broncos as

4:25

you mentioned Greg and that leads me because

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we have this discussion every week I

4:30

know it's early in the show we

4:32

have our concerns about the Jets oh is he gonna

4:34

do it we believe in the Minnesota Viking are we

4:37

doing it should we make

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this our survivor pick for

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Wow it's crazy I know

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Jets have been on fraud watch they

4:47

have been for you and and I suddenly was convinced

4:50

Rogers is playing well I actually stand by the point

4:52

Rogers played well I don't give you the issue last

4:54

week but

4:57

when their defense and when their

4:59

offense had to play like a much tougher

5:01

opposition and then the

5:04

step up in competition for their defense this week

5:06

because if you think about who the Jets defense

5:08

has played lately

5:10

Broncos Patriots Titans

5:13

those are like the three worst offenses in

5:15

the league just about and now you have to

5:18

make this step up Aaron Jones against this

5:20

run defense Aaron Joe like they are a run

5:23

first offense I would say and if you look

5:25

at what they're doing on early downs and he's

5:27

been a top five running back

5:29

and you kind of look how the Jets run

5:32

game on the defense I've got washed

5:34

out last week a lot of will McDonald's just flying

5:36

off the edge and they're running right at him even

5:38

with Javante Williams who had been struggling that I

5:42

would pick the Vikings

5:44

as a survivor pick so I'm

5:46

in whoa I mean do it let's how you

5:48

got me you got it you know

5:50

here's a player for the Vikings old is it here's

5:52

a player for the Vikings too that I think we

5:54

don't talk in it the ghill lock okay

5:57

fine Gilmore I mean this guy is He's

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playing well, he's a perfect fit in

6:02

this defense. I I just think Aaron

6:04

Rodgers is He's gonna continue

6:07

playing well, but there's just not enough there. They don't

6:09

score Can we get can we get Garrett Wilson going

6:11

there? There are some stats that have him in the

6:13

top ten in terms of like separation like he's

6:16

still Garrett Wilson What am I missing? I look I took

6:18

him I think like 17th overall

6:20

in my fantasy draft That's that's definitely not

6:22

going well. Neither is my Devontae Adams pick

6:24

right now But like

6:26

hoping it's moved soon Allen Lazar's leading

6:28

this team and catches and Garrett

6:31

Wilson who is explosive is Under

6:34

10 yards per catch and can I

6:36

can I read the Garrett Wilson quotes?

6:38

I'm actually kind of surprised these didn't

6:40

get more attention Instead we're on cadence

6:43

gate all week and Garrett Wilson their

6:45

best receiver Literally said I don't

6:47

think we do a lot of different stuff to

6:49

be honest I watch football on Sundays and I

6:51

see a lot of teams mix it up and

6:53

stuff like that I don't think we do that

6:56

dot dot dot. I don't think we're trying to

6:58

do a lot of different things I'm

7:01

actually surprised that it didn't get more more pop. That was by

7:03

the way on the Bart and Han Podcast

7:05

I think Bart Scott well It

7:08

depends on where you your particular place of employment

7:10

is if it's in Florham Park apparently you can

7:13

have a particular coaches name In

7:16

the idea in your mouth, but

7:18

if you're outside of the facility that coaches name must

7:20

be kept out of your mouth You've got to use

7:22

your mouth. Well, so that's what it is so fun

7:25

game that my name is Nathaniel Hackett. Thanks It's

7:27

nice to see you out here. Oh That

7:31

was beautiful Yeah, and when

7:33

they put this on the NFL Network schedule this look

7:35

like probably the best of the three But you weren't

7:37

sure about the Vikings now. We got the best team

7:39

in the NFL so far And that's and that's what

7:42

we're gonna That's what we're gonna see wake

7:44

up rise shine and watch some football and

7:46

before the game You can catch game day

7:48

kickoff starting Sunday at 7 a.m. Eastern and

7:50

you can see Aaron

7:52

Rodgers sit down with Kyle Brand. That's

7:55

good. It's not a FaceTime interview They are

7:57

literally face to face and you

7:59

can see that right before the game kicks off. Looking

8:01

forward to that game. Of course, always looking forward to

8:03

NFL network games. Let's go to

8:06

the Buffalo bills at the

8:08

Houston Texans, the bills favored by one

8:10

after their first loss of the season.

8:12

What a stretch for them. They have

8:14

to go to Baltimore and now at

8:16

Houston where they over under is 47

8:18

and a half. Steve, maybe

8:21

some deficiencies for the bills that

8:23

we weren't previously exposed to a,

8:25

got highlighted on Sunday night. This is one now

8:27

we look at this like these are two teams

8:29

that we really like and you look at their

8:32

victories and they really haven't come against what you

8:34

would consider like strength to schedule type of

8:37

opponents. And then both times they

8:39

play tough teams. They get both teams got dragged. So

8:42

this is an intriguing game. When

8:45

you look at what the bills have

8:47

done well, right? Some of the match ups with

8:49

the tight ends and things like this is a secondary

8:51

that can handle that, right? They've got the safeties with

8:54

Jalen Petrie. You've got the corners that can

8:56

kind of take out with the bills like

8:58

to do in the passing game. And they've

9:00

got the speed and inside linebacker that can

9:02

match up with James. In the

9:05

passing game. I like the Texans and

9:08

the points here. Look at you. I like the

9:10

ticks right off the top. I like the Texans

9:12

and the points just because they're at home. Now

9:14

they're playing a bunch of one possession type

9:16

of games, which is what the NFL we've seen earlier

9:18

in the season, but they seem to

9:21

be gaining a little bit more traction in

9:23

their identity. I know defensively they haven't hit

9:25

it there yet. Larry me tonsil. I

9:28

mean, he's just Mr. Mr. Penalty man, multiple penalties

9:30

every game. Yeah. I mean, you know, this is

9:32

one where he's going to have to tighten that

9:34

up because those guys off the edge for the

9:36

bills will get after him. I

9:38

really like your point on how

9:41

they defend the middle of the field. That's a

9:43

great shot there because that's where the bill

9:45

want to win. And yet I trust the bills a little

9:47

bit more. If I had to pick it, I'd take the bills,

9:49

but this is a toss up to me and

9:52

I do have to pick it because we do a picture

9:54

game debut. So I have to decide to check that out

9:56

on NFL that work. But like

9:59

David Bennett. different defense. They've been effective.

10:01

They've been better on defense overall this year.

10:03

But they've been different. They've been blitzing a

10:05

lot. And they're actually not

10:08

getting a lot of one-on-one pass

10:10

rush wins from Hunter and Will Anderson, which

10:12

is a little surprising. I'm not saying they're

10:14

not good players. But if you just add

10:17

up their quarterback hits in sacks so far,

10:19

it's quite low. I think it's a combined

10:21

eight or nine total between the two of

10:23

them, sacks, QB hits. So that's surprising to

10:25

me. And it's a really good Bills offensive

10:27

line. That's a really good matchup.

10:30

The Bills are leading the NFL in pass

10:32

block win rate. So it's a really good

10:34

offensive line. And you see Terron Johnson return

10:36

to practice on Wednesday. He's a hell of

10:38

a player. You see Terrell Bernard returns. And

10:41

you're like, oh, OK. This defense is going

10:43

to be back. But then you look

10:45

who's missing from practice. I don't know how serious it's going to

10:47

be. But it's Deion

10:49

Dawkins, their left tackle. So that's a huge one. And

10:51

then Khalil Shakir, which I would think he's going to

10:54

play in this game because he finished the last one.

10:56

But he's out of practice. And

10:58

he's been big. And I'll throw this to you, Patrick,

11:00

is we hadn't talked about

11:02

on this show is that Von Miller

11:04

is suspended for violating the

11:06

league's conduct policy related to a

11:09

domestic assault allegation that was last

11:11

December. And he had been a big

11:14

part of their defensive line. So he is out for

11:16

the next four games. And a big part of that

11:18

stretch where the Bills were dominating everybody. And

11:20

now that things are kind of in the light,

11:22

you see deficiencies. You see Derek

11:24

Henry, which Derek Henry hit 21.6, I believe, miles

11:28

an hour on that run. That's crazy. But there

11:30

was no threat for him to be

11:32

caught in that secondary. I know that

11:34

guys are missing. I mean, look at this. We're

11:36

watching DeMar Hamla can run. And

11:38

he's not caning a step on

11:41

Derek Henry. I mean, that's a

11:43

snowball going downhill. That's like just,

11:45

gee, you're not stopping that. And

11:48

then the concerns up front for

11:50

Buffalo were the

11:53

Ravens. Albeit, they're a good team. And

11:55

they had those changes up front on the offensive line

11:57

that they had to start the season with. But

11:59

they were moving the. Bill's really, really easily

12:01

in the run game. And now we've got a

12:03

Texan team that could get Joe

12:06

Mixon back. It's, it's tough to

12:08

view this. And I'm also, cause Nico Collins leading

12:10

the entire league. He's the dude I'm receiving right

12:12

now. He is a real dude. Who's, who's in

12:14

the Buffalo Bill secondary where you, you can say,

12:16

all right, I feel confident that Nico Collins, I

12:18

mean, I wouldn't say that it may be about

12:20

any cornerback in the league. They've like a couple,

12:22

but Christian Benford to me is playing at a

12:24

pie level. He's got it. He's a top 10

12:27

to 15 cornerback. And Taryn Johnson, one of the

12:29

best slot corners here in the now size wise,

12:31

he's a much smaller slot corner, but he is

12:33

a real, real good. I

12:35

mean, he's one of the top two or three

12:37

slot corners. So if he comes back, that'd be

12:39

an maybe they were saving them for a Stefan

12:41

Diggs, you know, this is the revenge game. I

12:43

mean, it's, I don't know if it's a real

12:45

revenge game here, but we can make one for

12:47

everybody. I mean, I think in this

12:49

case though, there was some sort of disconnect between

12:52

digs and Josh Allen. Yes.

12:54

So there was so that

12:57

I don't know if it's a revenge game, but

12:59

it's, it's spicy. I mean, we also got this

13:01

deep into the conversation

13:03

about this game with, they didn't even mentioned like we

13:05

got two of the best four or five quarterbacks here.

13:07

So a lot of it comes down to like

13:10

how much support do these two quarterbacks get?

13:12

Because I'm feeling confident that they're both gonna

13:14

play well. It's a great bills run defense

13:17

with James cook and with Josh Allen against

13:19

a very good run defense. If the bills

13:21

can run the ball, I feel pretty good

13:23

about the bills. And I think Stroud's playing

13:25

very well, even when he's pressured, he looks

13:27

good. My concern with the

13:29

Buffalo bills offense was when the run game wasn't

13:32

working on Sunday night, it was

13:34

really just balls down the sideline back shoulders to

13:36

Keyon Coleman. And, and that's it. The weird thing

13:38

was the run game kind of was working. They

13:40

just didn't run the ball that much, but yes,

13:43

they, they went away from it. The gain script

13:45

kind of got away from him and Yolo

13:47

Josh came back for a brief little bit, but

13:50

I mean they're down 21

13:52

to three saw Josh two yards out of bounds, throwing

13:54

a ball 50 yards down the field. You know, it's

13:56

fun stuff, but they can't be on the run game.

14:00

got the corners to handle their outside targets,

14:02

which we know really aren't that great. This

14:04

is the location of what I think was

14:06

the probably the Nadir of the Yolo Josh

14:08

era, which was the playoff game

14:10

against the Texans. That was actually the moment

14:12

where everyone, and I admit I couldn't have

14:14

been more wrong about Josh Allen, spiked

14:17

the football prematurely. It was just like, Hey, it's

14:19

never going to happen. Josh Allen guys. Like, look

14:21

at this guy and now look at him. One

14:23

of the best players in the NFL for you.

14:25

Was that the weird, like 10 yards

14:27

down the field behind the back. Yeah, there was,

14:29

there was all sorts of things in that game.

14:31

It was rough. We love it. Keep trying to

14:33

make plays. Always must see

14:36

TV. And again, one of the best, at

14:38

least however many people you want to have in the top five, Josh

14:41

Allen is going to be in there or you're

14:43

going to have five in the top five. So we talked

14:45

about great match ups. What

14:48

about two teams in the AFC East

14:50

that we are thrilled to watch right

14:52

about now. It is the Miami dolphins

14:55

at the new England Patriots who are a

14:57

one point favorite with a huge total number of

14:59

36 and a half points as it was the

15:01

start to

15:05

the Tyler Huntley era. Steve was, was

15:07

exciting, but then they really Tyreke fumbled.

15:10

It just all went down.

15:12

It was Tennessee Titans. It was bad.

15:14

I mean, it's new probably would have been there

15:16

for like eight days. They, you

15:18

know, they just didn't have much of a playbook.

15:21

I actually think Miami's going to play a lot

15:23

better than this game. And I like, and this

15:25

was taught, you talk about quotes that got overlooked.

15:27

I think Mike McDaniel's after that game, he basically

15:29

in a very diplomatic way said guys on his

15:31

team were making business decisions. You

15:34

know, they weren't helping out Snoop Huntley. I know, I

15:36

know one that must've been on his mind was Jalen

15:38

waddle. Just stopped running on a play over the middle

15:40

of the field where if you re watched it, it

15:42

was like, I don't even think he was going to

15:44

get hit. It was kind of, it was a weird,

15:46

he had a big drop hill had a drop and,

15:48

and a fumble. They didn't charge him with the fumble,

15:50

but that was pretty bad effort on the fumble and

15:52

just a bad play. You're right. They need their best

15:54

players to play better. And I think he saw the

15:56

Titans players kind of step up to help the backup

15:58

quarterback when Mason Rudolph had to come in and play.

16:01

All right, those guys stepped up in a rally. How

16:03

come nobody is doing it for their backup quarterback? So

16:05

he seemed to put guys on notice. I think you're

16:07

gonna see the Dolphins offense work a little bit, well,

16:09

I think a lot better than what

16:11

it's been. If they can get something going in

16:13

that run game, that that Patriots defense we thought

16:15

that was gonna be really good

16:18

early on is showing some

16:20

cracks. Now they got boat race by the Niners last

16:22

week, but they just, they're not playing

16:24

as well. It's an opportunity. So

16:27

we'll see. Forget cracks, this thing

16:29

is busted open. We're sweeping it under

16:31

the table. It's over. It's

16:34

over. I mean, first of all, they

16:36

don't have their best player, Christian Barmore,

16:38

unfortunately. When we were talking about

16:41

their defense before the season two, we

16:43

thought Matthew Judon would be involved in

16:45

that. Christian Gonzalez is playing well, but

16:47

then they also lost their guy who

16:49

had the headset, that

16:51

they're throwing the calls into, Jwan Bentley. So that

16:53

hurts communication. This week, Kyle Duggar is not going

16:56

to play. So that's another guy with a

16:58

big contract. And Jabril Peppers, who's been one of

17:00

their best players, is out of

17:02

practice and is very questionable. So I

17:05

think this was a team that was supposed to be more

17:07

than the sum of their parts on defense, but when you

17:09

take away all the best parts and

17:11

you take away Bill Belichick, I think that hurts. Yeah,

17:14

it's a struggle. And it's a tough one

17:17

to pick because the Patriots have their issues.

17:19

The Dolphins got worse this week. Jalen Phillips

17:21

is gonna be out for the remainder of

17:23

the year. I mean, back on

17:26

a relatively short timeline for the former Achilles,

17:29

he's gonna have to have reconstructive knee surgery. So

17:31

he's out for the rest of the season. Hopefully

17:33

he's able to bounce back. But in

17:36

watching New England, they hung close in

17:39

Santa Clara. Was that the

17:41

Patriots playing significantly better? Was

17:44

that a down game? With all the stars, we're back for

17:47

San Francisco. It's tough to really

17:49

get a read on this Patriots team. Oh, I

17:51

don't think so. I think these are the two

17:53

of the three worst teams in the NFL. I

17:56

think they're easy to read. They

17:58

can't protect. Jacoby

18:00

last game had one of his worst games as

18:02

a pro. Is this part of this? Is this

18:05

the swing game? Yes. He has another bad game.

18:07

It'll be his last game. Because last week, he

18:09

was a bigger part of the problem than

18:11

he had been in the past. And I don't

18:13

think Drake is going to save them. But you

18:15

saw that their wide receivers were pouting.

18:18

This is a big story in New England. Not

18:20

nationally, because no one cares. But like Jalen Polk

18:22

and Pop Douglas were kind of pouting and having

18:24

bad language and getting upset a little bit. Seemed

18:26

like they weren't happy. They've

18:29

only attempted 19 throws over

18:31

10 yards. That's crazy. Wow. That's

18:34

crazy. That's crazy. I mean,

18:36

and I get it. They're on their fourth

18:38

left tackle. They just lost. I'm

18:41

just keep coming up with injuries. They lost

18:43

their team captain, David Andrews, probably for the

18:45

rest of the season today, too. And so

18:47

that's their best offensive lineman. So it's

18:50

two teams that are, it's the bad vibes, Bo.

18:53

It's really tough. I wonder if Andrews, if this might

18:55

be it for him, he's

18:57

played a long time. He's getting up there in years.

19:00

Certainly was an important player for them. Tyree

19:02

Kilmeade, meanwhile, tweets out, woke up to some

19:04

trade news this morning. When a guy tweets

19:06

that something like that out to you, like

19:08

so is, does he know what he's

19:10

doing? He's got to know what he's doing. What does he mean?

19:12

He's just, he's just on the Adams. They

19:14

asked them about, about where he wanted to be. They

19:16

asked about Kansas City in Miami, the reporter's there. And

19:18

he said, I want to be here. I want to

19:20

be here in Miami. So that's

19:23

an interesting thought. It's not the craziest idea.

19:25

If he got traded, he's barking

19:27

there behind McDaniel. You mentioned like a show

19:29

me something game. Like this is getting trouble

19:31

times for not so much McDaniel,

19:33

but the above him, Chris Greer, I

19:36

think long-term. It's early in the season, but this is

19:38

the thing that two worst teams in the

19:40

lake. I don't think that's exaggeration, right? Isn't it? Isn't

19:42

it interesting though? Like people's out to as a system quarterback,

19:45

this and that. If two comes back, are we sitting there

19:47

saying this stuff about them? If he's able to play,

19:50

we at least feel like there's, there's some

19:52

sort of functional hope for correct. Although if

19:54

it's funny, if this team was like the

19:56

Eagles, it's that gets a little

19:58

more attention. It'd be a little more on

20:01

the radar. Here are some of their scores in their last

20:03

seven games. I know we're going long on this game, though.

20:06

But I find this dolphin team fascinating. 56

20:08

to 19. This is where the McDaniel

20:11

era started to go wrong against the Ravens. 26

20:13

to 7. That

20:15

was the playoff loss to the Chiefs. Not pretty.

20:18

They also had a game where they only scored 14 points with

20:21

the AFC East up for grabs against the Bills. And then this year,

20:23

31 to 10. Two

20:25

have played more than half that game. 24 to 3. 31

20:27

to 12. Yeah, that was

20:29

a crazy score. Yeah. That's tough.

20:32

Someone will win this.

20:35

It's time for the game of the

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20:39

Ravens are a 2 and 1 half

20:41

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20:44

did get their first win of the

20:46

season going up on the road against

20:48

the Carolina Panthers last week. The over

20:50

under at 50 and 1 half Kevin

20:52

Harlan and Trent Green on the call.

20:54

It should be a fun game, Greg.

20:56

Yes. We've wanted to see a healthy

20:58

Joe Burrow go up against this Ravens

21:00

team. Now we finally get that

21:02

opportunity. I think it'll

21:04

be a fun game, especially for you,

21:07

Patrick, who leans a little Ravens. Sometimes

21:10

analysis, like our jobs are too easy.

21:12

Like what reason do we have to

21:14

think that the Bengals defense as a

21:16

whole, and especially on the ground, is

21:18

going to stop this mass unit of

21:20

Lamar Jackson and Derek Hettering. Because I

21:22

don't have any. This Ravens running attack

21:24

is looking more cohesive in terms of

21:26

their offensive line. We know the two

21:28

runners are just electric. And I have

21:30

no faith in this Bengals defense. If

21:33

we were looking for a spicy survivor

21:35

pick here, I might actually like the Ravens

21:37

even better than the Vikings. I'm fine with

21:39

the Vikings. We'll stick with that. But the

21:42

Ravens, I feel good about the Ravens. I

21:44

just, it's weird because you think about Lou

21:46

Anurumo, the defensive coordinator for the Bengals. And

21:48

man, this guy is so good. And he's

21:51

such a great in game adjuster. They

21:53

have not figured it out. But my

21:56

thing more so is with the Ravens, because they

21:58

seem to have found. their identity

22:00

a little bit. And that's a dangerous thing.

22:02

Like they were figuring out remember the first

22:04

game begins to chiefs, Ronnie Stanley kept the

22:06

illegal alignment type of thing. Like that got

22:08

in their heads, right? Their offensive line wasn't

22:10

working. First couple of games. It

22:13

was mashing last week against the bills. They

22:15

were very, very impressive. They

22:17

set their identity. They are not going to get away

22:19

from that against the Cincinnati Bengals.

22:21

And if they do, the

22:23

Bengals secondary is, is a little wobbly. They

22:26

can't Cam Taylor Britt, which is crazy because

22:28

he has been a hell of a player.

22:30

He's not playing well. We know the safeties

22:32

have not been good since they got rid

22:35

of Jesse Bates a couple of years ago.

22:37

I just think this is one we're

22:39

going to see Mark Andrews finally really

22:41

get, get involved in a wheelhouse. Isaiah

22:43

likely, I think we're going to see

22:45

some things happening in that game as

22:47

well. That part of things. And we're

22:49

also going to learn like whether or

22:51

not it's, it's a sustainable thing because

22:53

Roger Rosengarden had his first start last

22:55

week. Played well, played incredibly well for

22:57

his first NFL start. Derek

23:00

Henry goes for 87 yards on the

23:02

very first carry. Andrew Voorhees was out.

23:04

So they had to move Patrick McCarrie

23:07

inside. And that shuffling was,

23:09

was like the greatest thing to ever happen. Right?

23:11

Because they were having problems on

23:13

the interior of the offensive line and everything

23:15

seemed to work out in their favor. My

23:17

concern is on the outside Jamar

23:20

Chase and T Higgins and a

23:22

healthy and accurate Joe burrow. This,

23:25

this team is not too far removed

23:27

from getting devontae and as,

23:30

as, as well as Garth Minshoot and it's a, can

23:32

the bangles keep up in a shootout? I think that's

23:35

going to be the question for them all season. And

23:37

I think against a lot of teams, the

23:39

answer is yes. Yeah. Against this Ravens team,

23:42

which surprisingly to me, DVOA, which is just

23:44

total efficiency has them as the number one

23:46

passing attack and the number one rushing attack,

23:48

which is pretty wild because they've been that

23:50

efficient when they have been throwing the ball.

23:52

So I trust the Ravens defense just so

23:54

much more that like, yeah, you can get

23:56

into a shootout, but your defense just really

23:59

is going to make It's going to be good

24:01

for T Higgins and chases fantasy numbers and Burroughs

24:03

fantasy numbers all year long I

24:05

did want to mention they had Chris Jenkins come

24:08

in last week They're rookie and

24:10

he apparently pretty well and on time

24:12

BJ Hill is maybe getting healthy So

24:15

that would help their Bengals defense,

24:17

but I noticed this Bengals

24:19

offense for what it's worth has faced the

24:21

second easiest Collection

24:25

of defenses so far in the entire NFL so

24:27

they've been racking up some big numbers. This is

24:29

a tougher test for them Yes

24:33

Significantly significantly tougher.

24:36

I see the Ravens getting better the

24:38

Bengals getting better as well It's

24:41

it's tough to let go of the past

24:43

in those in those matchups because a lot of those

24:45

guys Lou had success with Are still right.

24:47

That's true a couple years ago They gave the Ravens everything

24:49

they could handle every time they could other last Game

24:52

is a different Ravens team, but I mean

24:54

Bengals team, but they did sweep the Bengals

24:56

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25:35

Sunday night recap shows and the way we

25:37

tape it We finished taping

25:39

and then I race over to

25:41

our film room here at NFL Network where Chris

25:44

Rose usually is and maybe MJD

25:46

and you get to watch the the Sunday

25:48

night football game like I what I want

25:50

to be Racing through this recap because I

25:52

want to get the Cowboys Steelers. I'm into

25:54

this matchup Yeah, Sunday night football in Pittsburgh

25:57

where the Steelers are a two and a

25:59

half point favorite against the

26:01

Dallas Cowboys. It's Mike

26:03

Torrico, Chris Collins, worth on the call. We'll be

26:05

waiting all day for Sunday night. And

26:08

Steve, this is a

26:10

offense that doesn't want to run the ball. Can't

26:13

run the ball if they, if they did

26:15

want to against the, the number one rushing

26:17

efficiency defense and all of football. Yes. And

26:19

we know, we know how good that Pittsburgh

26:21

defense is in the Cowboys. I'm

26:24

surprised his numbers are only two and a half. You know,

26:26

we were talking before the show like, okay, you know, this

26:29

is what it is. But then you think

26:31

about this is Dallas, Dallas, his strength really

26:36

plays into Pittsburgh

26:38

strength. Pittsburgh's got more strengths in this

26:40

game against Dallas. Like you said,

26:42

the Cowboys aren't going to be able to run the

26:44

football against the Steelers. That's not going to happen. So

26:46

now Dak's going to be one dimensional CD lamb's going

26:48

to get all the attention. We

26:51

know the Archer

26:53

is out, right?

26:55

The speedster, uh, Brandon

26:57

cooks is out, is not playing in this game.

27:00

All right. What's what's Dallas's left hand offensive? Shout

27:02

out to Weiss's brain for coming up with the

27:04

Archer, the actual name. I don't know if

27:07

everyone knows about the Archer, but that is also, there

27:09

was an error where he got to fire the arrow,

27:11

but then he got, he got a letter. So he

27:14

just was able to pull the arrow back, but

27:16

not actually let go of it.

27:18

The friend of the show, Danny Heifetz made

27:21

a great point that the Buccaneers literally shoot

27:23

cannons and the Patriots shoot muskets out of

27:25

guns when they score a touchdown. So I

27:28

don't know. It's a little hypocritical there. Charger,

27:30

Succan it's too, but I mean, I'm just

27:32

like, so what is Dallas's offensive left hand?

27:35

Right? What are they, what are they going to go

27:37

to? Because they're going to lock up CD

27:39

lamb. I mean, is it

27:42

a big Jake Ferguson? Great. The Pittsburgh Steelers would

27:44

love that. Right. I just don't see

27:46

Dallas putting up a lot of points. And Patrick,

27:48

as you brought up, no

27:50

D law, no Micah,

27:53

it's already a bad run defense. What do the

27:56

Steelers do? I mean, seriously, Justin Fields might have

27:58

like nine passing attempts in this game. They

28:00

hope that they can get their running

28:02

game a little more consistent. I love

28:04

that I saw some more design runs

28:06

and field scrambling more last week. I

28:08

just hadn't been doing it the first

28:10

three weeks. And that can get their

28:12

offense juiced. Look, the Colts threw

28:15

the ball pretty well against the

28:17

Steelers. I mean, they have an

28:19

offensive line to do it. Is a Cowboys

28:21

offensive line? Can they hold up? Probably not

28:23

as well as the Colts did, but I

28:25

think you can find holes in the Steelers

28:27

secondary. Patrick Queen has been struggling for them

28:29

in terms of his coverage ability. Some

28:32

miscommunications there where the players were like yelling

28:34

at them each other last week. And

28:36

you think like, oh, well, everyone's

28:38

just going to focus on CD like CD's

28:40

got. I mean, CD, they should be able

28:42

to figure out how to help get him

28:44

open. But they are almost last

28:46

in the league and in motion rate. There's

28:49

some talk. We're back to Green

28:51

Bay where everyone's complaining about Mike McCarthy not being

28:53

able to scheme players open. And if

28:55

you will listen to the beat writers there on there,

28:57

it just feels like there's a little more player grumbling

28:59

that maybe CD and Dak aren't

29:02

exactly on the same page with

29:04

their coach. They're on the same page with each

29:06

other, but not necessarily with what's going on with

29:08

the offense. Yeah. And I think sometimes people do

29:10

a lot of reading into sideline frustration. Losing is

29:13

not fun, right? Losing isn't fun. And CD is

29:15

is is, of course,

29:17

used to score a lot of points. You know,

29:19

this Cowboys offense has traditionally been good. And a

29:21

lot of that relies on Dak Prescott and his

29:23

ability at the line of scrimmage. But it feels

29:26

like the whole plane is built

29:28

out of that right now. And every single

29:30

first down the Dallas Cowboys get it's

29:32

like he's doing particle physics back here. You're

29:35

right. To not just diagnose the defense, but

29:37

he's weaving out of three and four people

29:39

and like getting back shoulders to Jalen Tolbert.

29:41

And it's just like it's it's hard to

29:43

imagine it being consistently sustainable on

29:45

the road in Pittsburgh. I agree. I'm I'm

29:48

torn on who to pick this game. I'm

29:50

not ready to do so just because I

29:53

think the Steelers have their sense of

29:55

flaws and their offense were like Justin Fields

29:57

is playing like a top. 10

30:01

to 15 quarterback right now. And yet the

30:03

offense is still pretty rough around

30:05

the edges. So that's asking a lot out

30:07

of him. I trust Dak more to make

30:09

more with less. But to back

30:11

up what you're saying about Dak, I love

30:13

it when you have nice, nerdy statistical backup

30:16

for points that we just see with our

30:18

eyes. So everything seems hard for this cowboy

30:20

offense. The cowboys are

30:23

first or last, depending on how you look at

30:25

it, in tight window throw rate. So just

30:28

the smallest windows that Dak's

30:30

thrown into. And this goes along with

30:32

it. They are last in separation, overall

30:34

average separation for their wide receivers. So

30:37

everything's condensed. That is interesting.

30:40

I would have never thought that. But

30:43

that, again, that goes. Because you got one guy that

30:45

can get open. And that guy's getting doubled. And then

30:47

everyone else in the scheme. And yeah.

30:50

But even like Brandon Cook's, like the archer. I mean,

30:52

this guy's a speed burner. He's supposed to be getting

30:54

behind people. He was. So he's

30:56

out for this game, as you mentioned. I think

30:58

he'd been playing through something. That must be. Because

31:01

they said he stayed in New York to get

31:03

a procedure. And he did not look right this

31:05

year. The one thing I just

31:07

want to say is, I want more of Darnell

31:10

Washington. Yes. Oh my god. 280

31:13

pounds coming at you from the side. Seeing him

31:15

run down the sideline and his other touchdown catch.

31:19

Build the whole plane out of fields in

31:21

Darnell Washington. And I'm entertained. Let's go. I

31:24

just want more. This is a perfect game for him

31:26

to get going. It's all Georgia trio. Darnell

31:29

Washington and Justin Fields making

31:32

it work. But I mean, you mentioned deck.

31:34

Deck's always going to be high on the

31:36

tight window throw percentage because he takes those

31:38

chances. And he makes those reads. And he

31:40

can make those throws. But just how much

31:42

of it do you want? Like where are

31:44

the layups in this offense? And maybe without

31:46

Brandon Cook's, there's more Kavante Terpen. They

31:49

get action in the screen game. Put

31:51

Terpen out wide. But who knows, man? It's

31:53

a tough watch. Jerry's telling

31:56

Jane Slater this week that they're out

31:58

on Devonta. more money

32:00

in Texas, apparently. They

32:02

can't. What are they doing? Man, not

32:05

a cap space. By the way, I think

32:07

that there's a cap. Yeah, I know

32:09

there is. I'm just saying you can look at

32:12

it. They've got actually they have among the most

32:14

cap space in the league. Like, why wouldn't you

32:16

want to get you could say what you want

32:18

about Devontae. That dude is a dog. Well, he

32:21

is. He is a grinder. He practices hard. That's

32:23

the type of duty you need to set an example

32:26

for everybody on that roster. And

32:28

I think Devontae could move a few jerseys. It makes

32:30

it makes sense. It makes

32:32

sense to me. Real purpose, but a real

32:34

mission. We'll see. Speaking of Devontae

32:37

Adams, the Las Vegas Raiders

32:39

on the road at the Denver Broncos, the

32:41

road warrior Denver Broncos went on the road

32:44

to Tampa. Gotta win on the road to

32:46

MetLife. Gotta win. Now the

32:48

Broncos at Bo Nicks are two and a

32:50

half point favorites against Gardner Minshew and the

32:52

rest of the crew with the total sitting

32:54

at 36. Greg did

32:57

Bo Nicks show you enough at MetLife.

33:01

No. What do you mean? I mean, he

33:03

showed me enough to believe that you can't possibly keep winning like

33:05

this. No, it's a couple of

33:07

times now like his bad throws are bad.

33:10

I think he struggled with the with

33:12

the rain hand size

33:15

alert. Oh, a little bit because

33:17

those throws were coming out crazy. And then

33:19

the rain kind of died off in the

33:21

third quarter or especially the fourth. And

33:24

he actually did look better. So I think I think that was

33:26

at least part of it. The Denver

33:28

run game was a little better, but really

33:30

they're going to have to win with defense

33:32

and a great defense. Like when I when

33:34

I think about picking this game, I'm like,

33:36

what do I really trust with either of

33:38

these teams right now? It's the

33:40

way that Vance Joseph is calling that. Oh, it's amazing. Zach

33:44

Allen 23 pressures. I saw

33:46

I know it's not a perfect step, but pass

33:48

rush win rate. The top two defensive tackles in

33:51

the NFL are Zach Allen, which

33:53

surprising, but not so much when you watch

33:55

these games. He's been great and Malcolm Roach

33:57

of the Broncos. Those are the top

33:59

two. So that's a good start if

34:01

you can get some heat on Gardner Minshew. Well, I mean,

34:03

look, this is one that's going to be mucked up. It's

34:06

going to be a lot of run game. The Vegas Vegas

34:08

is going to have to run because Devontae Adams is not

34:10

playing. I think he's played his last game in

34:12

the silver and black. Not really

34:14

a lot of practice with a hamstring injury. Max Crosby

34:17

also out of practice. Yeah, I think Max, I think

34:19

Max will return this week. I mean, he missed last

34:21

game. He's trying to get right. The dude hates missing

34:23

ball games. But I mean, what else

34:25

do you have offensively? I mean, you got the tight end

34:27

Brock Bowers and he's a real one. He's fantastic, right? So

34:30

now we're going to a tight great

34:32

Vance Joseph will go ahead and take care

34:35

of that. We're not going to

34:37

let him beat us. I just don't know if Vegas

34:39

is can score. I think that 36 numbers perfect for

34:41

the over and under. This is not

34:43

going to be a high flying ball

34:45

game right here. And just the way just

34:47

just a consistency. I mean, Vegas is defense.

34:50

Patrick Graham's got some good stuff working as well.

34:52

Yeah. So, you know,

34:54

I just think this is one where if I have to

34:56

trust the defense, the way the Broncos are played the past

34:58

two or three weeks has been as impressive as any team

35:00

in the NFL. The number one passing

35:03

efficiency defense in all of football, six

35:05

in rushing defense, number six in

35:07

pressure rate going up

35:09

against the Raiders team that's

35:12

in the twenties or thirties in all of those stats.

35:15

And I'm looking over how impossible

35:17

would it be to average over four and

35:19

a half yards per carry, which Javante Williams

35:21

did in a football game where

35:24

your quarterback had negative seven passing yards in

35:26

the first. I believe

35:28

in the Broncos run game simply based on the

35:30

fact that they're able to do anything with

35:32

Bo Nicks attempting so

35:35

many of his passes short

35:37

of 10 yards around the line

35:40

of scrimmage. I think so. So many of those

35:42

deletions last week were behind the line of scrimmage.

35:44

That's the thing that's crazy is he had so

35:46

few and the in the completions that he had

35:48

were behind the line of scrimmage. I

35:51

was going to say it should be better weather. But

35:53

like if he's not if he's a not a good

35:55

bad weather quarterback, Denver is not the city for you.

35:58

I think things will improve with time. Right

36:00

you have to play he did play at

36:02

Oregon. I mean he's played is a bad

36:04

way. Okay, okay, you know That

36:08

was a tough watch like went back I was

36:10

like this is crazy Yeah, but sloppy conditions, I

36:12

mean that's not gonna happen every week by the

36:14

way assuming that Devontae Adams doesn't ever play for

36:16

the Raiders Again, which feels very safe at this

36:18

point Yes They don't have

36:20

enough weapons and he played with six different

36:22

starting quarterbacks in the time that he was

36:24

there. That is crazy He was barely there.

36:27

That's quite Larry Fitzgerald like who played with

36:29

like 46 in his years with Arizona I

36:31

have I have seen some revisionist stuff where

36:33

it's like Devontae should have

36:35

stayed in Green Bay. They had they

36:37

had years to make him that offer

36:39

Yes, like the Rogers contract came in

36:41

between that then they come in after

36:43

the fact It's like oh, yeah He had the same offer

36:46

on the table that the Raiders gave him win like

36:48

when did that offer come in? Well, like let's be honest He

36:53

wanted out he wanted an opportunity and he

36:55

took it the Raiders just kind

36:57

of win self and they didn't want to

36:59

pay their quarterback either right the latest in

37:01

Devontae trade rumors Reporting

37:03

ESPN had that the Jets and the

37:05

Saints were atop his wish list. So

37:07

he man. He loves that Derek are

37:10

He loves Derek and looked at the Saints.

37:13

I think the Saints would love to have him He's

37:15

he's seen what life is like without either

37:17

of those two guys. Yes, and he's like, you know what? I

37:21

Want to go he is a great fit on

37:23

the Saints here. Here's the thing with

37:25

both It's a great fit with both of those teams

37:27

though. I mean they could both be

37:30

blown up after the season I mean, would he

37:32

really want to go to either

37:34

of those teams because of the Jets struggle They're

37:37

blowing that thing up. Well, he might become a free

37:39

agent. Who knows he's do 35 million

37:41

next year What do you get non guaranteed life

37:43

is short? I think if you're Devontae Adams, even

37:45

if you're not getting any more money from a

37:48

new contract this year I think

37:50

he's like, well, I don't want to spend the

37:52

next 12 weeks with the Raiders I

37:54

want to go to a team that can be in

37:56

the mix He might not even require more money right

37:58

off the bat this time around I'd

38:00

be pushing to go to a place like Buffalo.

38:02

Yeah, if he wanted to check it down, he

38:04

would, you know, but this is, this is about,

38:07

this is about being somewhere where the remainder of

38:09

his career can have some sort of significance to

38:11

somebody and he does not see that. And I

38:13

understand why he does not see that. As I

38:15

said yesterday, Gardner Minshew is not going to be

38:17

on quarterback Island, Patrick, but

38:20

Hey, Gardner Minshew did get some

38:22

wins last year for the Indianapolis Colts, where

38:24

Greg was asking, how does he keep getting

38:26

away with this? And now maybe

38:28

they have Joe Flacco. Is it Anthony Richardson?

38:31

Either way, they are in Duval taking on

38:33

the Jacksonville Jaguars who are a three point

38:35

favorite, despite the fact that they have had

38:37

the 2024 Jacksonville Jaguars

38:39

season where there's players only

38:42

meetings discussions. There's the players

38:45

are calling the plays and

38:47

the coaches can't play Greg

38:49

vibes down horrendously. Yeah. Doug

38:51

Peterson asked on

38:54

Wednesday, have you lost the locker room? And his answer was

38:56

no, I have not lost the locker room. I mean, what

38:58

kind of, I understand why you asked

39:00

that, but it's a tough one to answer. Like there's

39:03

no way to answer that. What does it

39:05

mean? By the way, he's probably, yeah, I've

39:07

lost him. They're going to believe in them.

39:09

You know, well, you meant you mentioned, yeah,

39:11

Minshew having such an impact on the Colts.

39:14

It wasn't that that long ago that we

39:16

were talking about how ridiculous it

39:18

was. They were letting Minshew get all the first

39:20

team reps over Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. I mean, at

39:22

this point, Trevor Lawrence isn't playing any better than

39:25

Gardner Minshew this year. I hate it. It is.

39:28

I'm shocked by it, but this, the ball's not

39:30

going where he's aiming it to go. He looks

39:32

like, you know, he's just a non-confident player right

39:34

now and they have got to look, they've got

39:36

to get this win. Otherwise they're winless going over

39:39

to London to play the bears. Like

39:41

they have got to get this win. The,

39:44

the flame is red hot under Doug Peters. And

39:46

the only thing is there's really nobody on his

39:48

staff who can take over. Maybe

39:50

Mike McCoy, if they were to get rid of him. So

39:52

I don't think his job security isn't quite as immediate

39:56

danger. If

39:58

some people might think you got to win. game. If

40:00

you go to London and lose to the bears and

40:03

the Patriots and lose this game, then seven or seven,

40:05

then, then, then things change. I mean, shots.com is not

40:07

trying to lose games over in his home away from

40:09

home in England,

40:12

but you know, the

40:14

way the Colts they're they're quarterback situation. I

40:17

think they're, I think they're fine. This is a game where

40:20

I think they're going to be able to move the ball.

40:23

John, the Taylor's nicked up, right? Yeah. He's out

40:25

of practice Wednesday. He has a high ankle sprain.

40:27

So we don't know if they're going to be

40:29

able to run the ball, but teams

40:32

are throwing the ball against the Jags, man.

40:34

They're finding matchups all over the place. I

40:36

have a case for positivity in Jacksonville. This

40:39

offense is in the past game

40:42

has mainly been funneled these past

40:44

couple of years between Evan Ingram

40:46

and Christian Kirk Christian Kirk coming

40:48

back from that off season surgery,

40:50

slow start. Evan Ingram only played

40:52

one game Now

40:54

we've got both of them potentially being on

40:56

the field and healthy for the first time.

40:58

Ingram changes things. Ingram changes things. I mean,

41:00

that is, that is Trevor's guy because that's

41:02

why like Trevor, Trevor's downfield passing rate, one

41:05

of the highest in league right now, they're

41:07

taking nothing but shots. And I think a

41:09

lot of that is because Evan Ingram is

41:11

not in those particular spots where Trevor trusts

41:13

him to make plays. Gabe Davis has not

41:15

worked out so far for them. Just hasn't

41:17

had the production in Brian Thomas looks like

41:19

a great draft. When the balls near him,

41:21

he's made some really nice

41:23

grabs, but yeah, there's

41:25

they've been struggling in the red zone. Really any

41:28

stat you want to find an offense. It's not

41:30

good for the Jaguars. Then again, they're going to

41:32

against the Colts defense who lost Taekwon Lewis. He's

41:34

going to injured reserve, not a big name, but

41:37

he's the third out of four starters off

41:40

their defensive line that's out and on

41:42

on I are. And so that's, that's

41:44

pretty major. You still have Grover Stewart.

41:46

You have lie that

41:48

that's big. Flacco was taking some

41:50

reps in practice, but Richardson is

41:53

limited. He's day to day. We're

41:55

not sure if Richardson's going to play. It's

41:57

disappointing because for as much credit as flack.

42:00

got man that run game was absolutely cooking.

42:02

Oh yeah. Including early against the Steelers and

42:04

Richardson was a huge part of that. That

42:06

first drive and a half he gets a

42:08

touchdown first drive gets him into field goal

42:10

range before the injury, the

42:12

second drive. And so I wanted to see that

42:15

come together. And even if he's out there, he's

42:18

banged up and Taylor's not there. That's, that's their

42:20

whole offensive identity. It could, they could find a

42:22

way to get a win with Flacco, but it's

42:24

just, you want to be building on what your

42:26

team is actually and that offensive line is playing

42:28

well. So I mean that's something to think Pitman

42:30

and downs might not mind flacko being in there

42:33

just cause there's like more volume. But as

42:35

you mentioned, Anthony Richardson had a couple

42:37

of great balls. Michael Pitman Jr early

42:40

in that game before he

42:42

left and he was getting involved. Downs looks

42:44

good and healthy. There's cases

42:46

for positivity for both of these teams. You

42:48

may feel really different forever. It

42:51

comes up on the, on the wrong side of

42:53

this one. Oh my gosh. That's a, that's a

42:55

great point. But the Colts could have a fantastic

42:57

manage the season situation. They get out of this

42:59

game three and two after the start they've had,

43:01

they will feel great about the Jags lose to

43:03

your point, but Evan Ingram, 114 catches

43:05

last year. I mean that's how much as

43:07

a tight end he means to this team. Like he is,

43:09

it is a, it is a real need. And right now

43:11

the things are real tough for Trevor

43:13

and the Jags. Let's get back

43:16

to sofy stadium. It's time

43:18

for the sneaky good game of the

43:20

week presented by draft Kings as the

43:22

green Bay Packers on the road, a

43:24

three point favorite against Matthew Stafford

43:26

and the Los Angeles Rams. Both of

43:29

these teams with late heartbreakers

43:32

last week. And Greg,

43:35

we keep seeing Matthew Stafford kind

43:38

of have the team on his back, but it's starting

43:40

to feel like that burden is a

43:42

little bit too much of a load to care. Yeah,

43:44

it's a lot. And this game is a big one

43:46

for them. It's before their bye week. They do not

43:48

want to be one in four heading into their by

43:50

then again, I thought like,

43:53

didn't they have a game like this last year? They

43:55

had a game again. I think it was back up

43:57

starting against the Packers and they lost it and they

43:59

lost it. going into their bite. They were three and

44:01

six at that point, and they managed to come all

44:03

the way back and, you know, have a chance to

44:05

them. And they made the playoffs and Brett, wrestling, Brett,

44:08

ripping with the green Bay. It started the Rams cut

44:10

him like that's rough. I

44:13

think, I think there's a lot to

44:15

worry about with the Rams team because the

44:17

defense it's gone from good enough. Certainly last

44:19

year to not good enough right here. And

44:21

they're getting a lot of pressure. And this

44:23

is what happens when you lose the greatest

44:25

defense player of all time and your, and

44:27

your coach who is a good one and

44:29

Raheem Morris, you're there weirdly first in pressure

44:31

rate, which makes me question the pressure rates

44:33

that in yet because

44:35

they're still one of the worst defenses. They aren't

44:37

finishing plays. They only have seven sacks and it's

44:39

not affecting other quarterbacks enough. It's a lot of

44:41

Jared verse and fist kind of

44:44

flying by the quarterback. And so they just

44:46

need to figure that out. Yeah. It's more

44:48

like a proximity alert thing. And we got,

44:50

maybe we need a better way to contextualize

44:53

what I love the proximity alert. That is beautiful.

44:55

Matt coin that money. It's like, well, the horseshoes

44:57

and hand grenades that where it's like, right. It's

44:59

a lot of guys flying by and then the

45:01

quarterback steps up in the pocket and makes a

45:04

play on them. I think is what's happening. Yeah.

45:06

Yeah. This, I mean, how are

45:08

the Packers only a three point favorite? Because there

45:10

will be more Packer fans in that stadium. And

45:12

again, this is not saying anything about Rams fans.

45:14

Packers fans show up everywhere. So

45:16

it's going to be home game

45:19

on the West coast for Green

45:21

Bay. I just, you

45:23

know, we've talked about a staffer places his

45:25

heart out. He just doesn't have guys

45:28

who can move the ball. Jordan Love going to get back.

45:30

He's going to feel a little bit better offensively. I think

45:32

this is one where Green Bay is

45:34

going to ring up a ton of points and

45:37

put it on the Rams. I tend to agree.

45:39

Their pass rush hasn't been great. I know there's

45:41

some Packers fans out there that really want a

45:43

little more out of Kenny Clark and Rashawn Gary.

45:46

They're, they're big ticket players who've been pretty quiet

45:48

game change. And I just want a normal game

45:50

out of Jordan Love. He's had a weird season.

45:52

The opener was extremely weird on

45:54

that field. He was a little all over the place.

45:57

Last week he's coming back from an injury. Didn't look

45:59

a hundred percent. That was a really up and down

46:01

game. And so he just needs to kind of settle

46:03

in and he can feel better if he

46:05

doesn't pick up a third down that

46:07

he's got Daniel wheeling on his side. There

46:09

you go. Iris punter is a problem. I

46:12

mean this, this guy had a 74 yard

46:14

punt last week. He created a touchdown by

46:16

having a punt. So good. It went

46:19

over, you know, Minnesota shoulders there and

46:21

created a short field. This guy, the

46:24

Irish punter, he's

46:26

the man, this guy, the Irish punter, that's my guy.

46:28

By the way, I'm looking at last 10 Packers

46:30

are nine and one. Wow. Over the Rams

46:33

as well. I knew there was something where McVay had

46:35

problems against the floor. The,

46:37

the guy that I'm not at all concerned

46:39

about who I think has a huge day

46:41

is Jaden Reed going up against

46:43

this Rams man. How good is he? Yeah.

46:45

It's explosive in people because for years, right?

46:48

Everybody was looking for Deebo Samuel and

46:50

he's not, he's not Deebo Samuel with the, with

46:52

the ball in his hands, like prime Deebo, but

46:54

just purely as a receiver, I think

46:56

he he's better than peak Deebo. Uh,

46:59

what? Like not, not, not, and

47:01

he's faster. I mean, he's not going to be

47:03

as physical. No one's as physical and he's a

47:05

smaller player, but I agree with you. He's

47:07

a weapon in a similar way to Deebo. That's a good

47:09

call. Yeah, this is going to be, this is going to

47:11

be, you know, Josh Jacobs. I mean, I think this is

47:13

one where just green base offense, this

47:16

is one, when you look

47:18

at the Rams defense, is there something where like

47:20

you say, can they, can they get it together?

47:22

Or is it one where the dam just breaks

47:25

on this defense? Because you talked about

47:27

a version fist are fantastic and

47:29

Byron young gives him a little something,

47:32

but where else are, where else are

47:34

they making enough plays, especially

47:36

when you're facing an offense like this with a quarterback

47:38

who wants to get his Mojo going and

47:41

a great play caller to great play caller.

47:43

I, the secondary is, I don't know what

47:45

they were expecting. Exactly. It was kind of

47:47

patched together, but I think they expected better

47:50

play maybe out of the safety position. They've been

47:52

okay, but Quentin Lake's a pretty good player. Yeah,

47:54

it was, it was very jarring to

47:56

see DeAndre Swift and a bears offensive line that

47:58

could not run the ball. Oh my gosh, just

48:00

gash them. I, yeah, it's tough.

48:04

It's tough right now. Don't give up, Ellis, my

48:06

daughter, of course, a big Rams fan. This is

48:08

a big game for them. I really mean it

48:10

before the bye, getting to two and three would

48:12

be huge for them. Packers would be in a

48:14

world of four, two, if they lost this game

48:16

after losing to the Vikings. We'll be back in

48:18

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Back on NFL Daily. Couple surprising just

48:38

notes for you on our next game. Patrick,

48:42

Braff, Braff, Braff, Braff. First

48:45

of all, Greg Olson doing a Browns Commander's game

48:47

in week five shows you that commanders are becoming

48:49

one of America's teams right now. Gotta watch him,

48:51

gotta watch him. Second of all, a man named

48:53

Jason Bonetti is the play-by-play guy.

48:57

Not familiar with his work, and they slide

48:59

him right into a big chair with Greg Olson

49:01

while Joe Davis is doing baseball. That shows

49:03

me that I'm not familiar with

49:05

the game and I'm not familiar

49:07

with the game. I'm not familiar

49:10

with the game. I'm not familiar with the

49:12

game. I believe in

49:14

Jason. Just that situation, I

49:17

believe Jason Bonetti is gonna call in

49:19

on him. I cover these announcers, Steve,

49:21

like some people cover teams.

49:23

So I truly might watch this game

49:25

specifically to do a little Bonetti scouting.

49:28

That's a big spot for them to put them in. That's a lot

49:30

of confidence they have. That'd be great. I'll

49:34

tell you what you're not gonna tune into this game for, to

49:38

see the high flying

49:40

Deshaun Watson led. Cleveland

49:43

Browns offense that lost a nasty

49:45

game on the road to

49:47

Gardner-Mentju last week at these commanders who

49:49

are a three point favorite, which

49:52

maybe, maybe should be a bit more, and

49:55

the hottest quarterback right now that's not

49:57

named Jared Goff in

49:59

the entire NFL. NFL Jaden Daniels. Yeah,

50:02

that's really interesting that they're only favored by

50:04

three. It really shows that you're

50:07

still waiting information that came

50:09

before this year and what

50:12

they expect this Browns team to be because

50:14

that's not reflective of the team that they

50:17

are, which is one of the worst teams in the

50:19

NFL. I

50:21

mentioned DVA like total efficiency. They have the Browns actually

50:24

dead last. They had Miami 31. I think the Patriots

50:26

were 30. And that's

50:28

because their offense is dead last. Now

50:31

Watson played better last week,

50:33

but the offense was still really

50:36

struggling. And this should be a

50:38

get right type of matchup.

50:40

But if you're a commander's optimist,

50:42

maybe you watched last week's game

50:44

and you thought, okay, is Dan

50:46

Quinn's defensive philosophy is

50:48

starting to take hold here. Frankie

50:50

Louvoo flying all over the place.

50:52

Bobby Wagner, the cornerbacks playing better.

50:55

It was just one game, but

50:57

after three really tough performances, they

50:59

looked like a decent defense and all they

51:01

need to be as decent. And I think

51:03

this team is a contender. They just need

51:05

to be the 21st best defense in the

51:07

league. And this team has a

51:10

chance to make the playoffs. It was funny.

51:12

I was actually talking to Dan Quinn about

51:14

something Tuesday night, the head coach for the

51:16

commanders. And he was like, Cleveland gives you

51:18

a million different things to occupy preparing on

51:21

both sides of the ball course defensively with

51:23

Jim Schwartz. They do have some

51:25

players that match up well with what Washington likes

51:27

to do offensively. And they have J. Okay. One

51:30

of my favorite players who can spy,

51:32

right? They use him a lot as is

51:34

an inside linebacker who can spy Jaden

51:36

Daniels, right? So they've got some

51:39

pieces that are nice little counter chips. And I

51:41

think people when you look at this three point

51:43

spread are still waiting for Washington to see if

51:45

they can handle being

51:47

a successful football team to go back to what

51:49

Aaron Rodgers says. How do we

51:51

handle success? And handle it well last week. That was

51:53

my whole theory of like, oh, they're on the road

51:56

a second time short week against

51:58

a decent enough team. and they

52:01

put a 40 burger on it. I

52:03

mean, it could have been worse. Yeah,

52:05

Jaden was amazing. You know, in Cleveland,

52:07

there are offensive line issues. Sean, he

52:09

just does not look right

52:12

in any way, shape, or form, running

52:14

the offense. I mean, not even like

52:16

throwing the ball or getting things going in

52:19

that realm. It just does not look functional.

52:22

But again, Washington, like I said, it's

52:24

a prove it game for the defense

52:26

with Dan Quinn and Joe Witt on that side of

52:28

the ball. Their corners are still something

52:31

they're going to do. That's going to be an

52:33

all season long working. Just their personnel is not

52:35

that great. But they do love some

52:37

things they saw with their safeties, up

52:39

the spine as the new term goes of the

52:41

defense. We know how good those tackles are. You

52:43

mentioned the inside linebackers. They like

52:45

the way they function and how other guys

52:48

built off of that. Little Jerry Newton, the

52:50

second round pick I was into during draft

52:52

season getting some more pop. Yeah, so I

52:54

think they feel better about their defense. But

52:57

I think offensively, they know it's not going

52:59

to be a layup just because Jim Schwartz

53:02

has got some pieces that counter some of

53:04

their strengths. Well, the weakness of the

53:06

team is we know it's zeroed

53:08

in at the quarterback right now. If

53:10

not for Bo Nicks, would have the worst

53:12

EPA on dropbacks. Right now he's

53:14

second worst, negative 51 and 1.5. And

53:19

so like the Browns, it's all

53:21

on Jim Schwartz. They blitz of

53:23

48, almost 48% of

53:25

dropbacks on second down. Meanwhile,

53:28

this might not be the dude to be blitzing

53:30

against though. Jayden Daniels is getting rid of the

53:32

ball quickly. Teams are playing with their safeties close

53:34

to the line of scrimmage. And

53:36

it's not working. And

53:39

when the Bengals are sending

53:41

zeros, they're hitting the shots

53:43

to get you back out of that. And

53:46

some folks are charting regression. And

53:49

I would understand that against a traditionally good Browns

53:51

defense, I'm just going to need to

53:53

see him struggle before I say that. Yeah, and like

53:55

the defense that you think about with the Browns, they

53:57

would have gone into Vegas last week. and

54:01

absolutely dominate. I'm not saying they played poorly, but

54:03

they just look like two even teams. They gave

54:05

up 152 yards rushing to the Raiders. Yeah.

54:10

So don't run the ball well. And a

54:12

lot of that was those like wide receiver

54:14

end around type stuff. I mean,

54:16

the commanders can take advantage

54:18

with their speed with, and Jayden

54:21

Daniels' legs with the over aggressiveness

54:23

sometimes. I mean, Grant Delpit said

54:25

before last week's game, it

54:28

was a must win and then they lost. Whenever

54:30

you lose the must win, I just chalk

54:32

up the next week as a loss too.

54:35

I mean, it's dark there. They're spending more

54:37

cash. If you're

54:39

Jim Haslam, you're spending, he just

54:41

gave his coach and his GM, I think an extension of my

54:43

run. As he should. He's

54:46

spending more cash on players than any team in

54:48

the league. They are the second oldest team in

54:50

the league. Yeah, that's because they keep converting all

54:52

those future years into cash. Just real quick, we

54:54

can't get out of the start talking about Bryan

54:56

Robinson and what they're doing with their running game

54:58

in Washington. All those safeties are playing up. And

55:00

I mentioned it yesterday on the pod,

55:03

Anthony Lynn being their

55:05

run game coordinator helps

55:07

out a lot. It keeps Cliff Kingsbury from going,

55:09

gets his tendencies to throwing the ball too

55:12

much. And when you've got a stud like him, Echler could

55:14

be back as well this game. So

55:16

this is why. They're

55:20

light and dominated as good as Jayden Daniels

55:22

is. I couldn't believe how much

55:24

pass pro he had last week. And it

55:26

was against Arizona who's not known for rushing

55:28

the passer, he's just sitting back there chilling.

55:30

So that's a great job by their front.

55:32

Yeah. And it makes it extra

55:34

tough because you got to be under control when you're

55:36

rushing Jayden Daniels. And then when you get mauled up

55:39

front on top of that, that

55:41

was the recipe. Again, 50 would have been easy.

55:43

An easy 50. Yeah,

55:46

Dan decided that he wanted to. I'm

55:48

sure Cliff might have considered one. But

55:51

as Greg pointed out, they're still paying him.

55:53

Yeah, he's still cashing those checks from the

55:55

Cardinals. He won twice last Sunday. All

55:59

right, to our next. game. It's

56:01

the Carolina Panthers who traded famously

56:03

with the Chicago bears. And here

56:05

we are on the payoff of

56:07

the trade. DJ more on one

56:09

side, Caleb Williams on the side

56:11

with him. And price young

56:13

is watching as Andy Dalton starts

56:15

for the third straight game. Former bear

56:18

starting quarterback, Andy Dalton. So

56:20

another Dalton revenge game two, two weeks in a

56:22

row. Chicago is a four

56:24

point favorite. Here's Steve. We got

56:26

Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma on

56:29

the call. The bears can run the ball

56:31

now, apparently. You know, well, they ran it

56:33

against the Rams. Um,

56:35

you know who we were just talking about the

56:37

Panthers defense has been no great shakes, which, which

56:39

is just, you know, we're

56:41

gosh, where the Panthers do well. I mean, that's one thing you

56:43

have to kind of ask yourself. This

56:45

is one of the for Chicago. Let's see if they

56:48

can get it going. Right. This is an important stretch

56:50

for them, but let's see if they can get it

56:52

going. Any game they should win, right? They, you

56:54

know, their defense, they've got the defense to

56:56

put the heat all over Andy Dalton force

56:58

a couple of takeaways and then

57:00

offensively get the run, try to

57:02

get the run to balance the past game.

57:05

Don't put a ton of don't put a ton of it, you

57:08

know, on the rookie quarterback. But I

57:10

just think for force

57:12

probably about the right number for this

57:14

because I don't see Chicago necessarily rolling

57:16

over everybody because they're still working through

57:18

things. But you know, if we're seeing

57:20

Caleb Williams and this in this run game, getting it

57:22

going gets Carolina, you

57:25

know, to me, I think for is a really nice

57:27

number with the bears on top. It just hasn't clicked

57:29

for Caleb Williams yet. There are a couple plays

57:32

last week where he

57:34

was so stuck in

57:37

the pocket, refusing to move his

57:39

feet that you almost could hear the coaching

57:41

point of don't bail out too quickly, but

57:43

like he literally just wasn't moving. And

57:46

that I don't think that's a natural thing

57:48

for Caleb Williams. Like his feet, like we're

57:50

just this plant just planted and he had

57:52

people around him and he hit

57:55

a bunch of his short passes and he didn't

57:57

make mistakes in the running game. So that was

57:59

effective for him a week. could go, this is

58:01

an opportunity against a bad defense. You have the

58:03

Jags, me and you will be at that game.

58:05

Steve, if

58:07

you're in the UK, you can see me. I'll be

58:09

on Sky Sports on the sideline. So we're both sideline

58:11

reporters. Both sidelines. I'll bump into you, Greg. Maybe I'll

58:14

say hi. Sweet. And what

58:16

a gift they've been given. It's Hya over there.

58:18

Yeah. A gift they've been given

58:21

by the schedule gods. I mean, to get a

58:23

bang the Rams team, then the Panthers, then the

58:25

Jags, then the Bi, then a Cardinals team that

58:27

has some issues. You can make some hay here,

58:30

and we can get going. I just want to

58:32

see Caleb be a little more comfortable. Yeah. The

58:34

discomfort, I think, is going to be on the

58:36

Carolina Panthers side. Matching

58:39

up these teams, the Bears defense is

58:41

the clear plus in this

58:44

one. As great as the Andy Dalton revolution has

58:46

been, and it's nice to see

58:48

them be a functional football team. Watching

58:51

Matt Stafford fail to make plays late, and

58:53

again, the accumulation of circumstances that

58:56

he's facing probably played a role in that.

58:58

But this Bears defense is just so, so,

59:00

so good. And it's tough to imagine. Yeah,

59:03

four points feels about right. I'm

59:05

with the odds makers here. I

59:07

saw a headline from Panthers

59:10

camp today that was their

59:12

coach Dave Canales saying, Deontay Johnson

59:14

is not available in a trade, which I was like,

59:16

why would that? Is that a question? Why was that?

59:19

I didn't think that was. Why would he be? He's

59:21

like, oh, he's a good. I don't think the Panthers

59:23

are sellers right now. No, I get it. I

59:25

think he's. Is

59:28

he on the last year of his contract? I believe

59:30

he is. So I guess naturally, maybe in three

59:32

or four weeks, if their record was really bad, teams

59:34

could come calling. But they want to produce. This is

59:36

the first year of the day of Canales. I think

59:39

they would like to have Deontay Johnson long term. They

59:41

should not be in the business of giving away weapons.

59:43

And they should feel better. Their

59:45

offensive line playing better. And Laguette

59:47

had a nice Xavier. Laguette had a nice

59:49

game. So that those are the types of

59:51

things, if you're a Panthers fan, you really

59:53

are looking towards some of these free agents.

59:55

Can they work out on the offensive line?

59:57

Can Laguette work out Deontay Johnson work out?

1:00:00

out and then okay these are guys we can build

1:00:02

with. And they've got to form some type of nucleus

1:00:04

because right now they don't really have a ton of

1:00:06

building blocks. Perhaps you

1:00:08

know is the Pittsburgh Steelers active and trying

1:00:10

to find wide receivers for a long time

1:00:13

you know maybe uh maybe

1:00:15

the breakup shouldn't never happen. Oh boy.

1:00:17

Yeah that's fair I think they're happy with Dante

1:00:19

Jackson that's a rare case right it might be

1:00:22

a win-win where both both teams are relatively happy

1:00:24

but I'd rather have Deontay Johnson to your point.

1:00:27

Let's go to a little

1:00:29

Monday night. Yeah are you ready

1:00:32

for some football the New Orleans

1:00:34

Saints at the Kansas City

1:00:36

Chiefs who have been struggling on offense

1:00:38

who have lost their top wide receiver

1:00:40

a five and a

1:00:42

half point favorite of course Joe Buck

1:00:45

and Troy Aikman on the call Greg

1:00:47

five and a half that's a big number that

1:00:50

feels like a lot against the good number. Yeah

1:00:52

it's almost like they're just begging it forget forget

1:00:54

the five and a half I mean I am

1:00:56

gonna be very tempted to make

1:00:58

the same mistake I've made so many times

1:01:01

the Patrick Palms era dared to doubt this

1:01:03

man at home because it feels like the

1:01:05

Saints are better than their two and two

1:01:07

record and the Chiefs aren't as good

1:01:09

as their 4-0 record and when those

1:01:11

two types of teams match up I tend to

1:01:14

pick it evening out this

1:01:16

Chiefs offense really test

1:01:18

in the ideas that Andy Reed's gonna have

1:01:20

because he's going back to

1:01:22

Skymore on third downs like that's not working

1:01:24

out you got Kareem Hunt back in the

1:01:26

building he ran well but it's just that

1:01:28

wasn't the plan you know what I mean

1:01:30

they it will be moving forward right they

1:01:33

wanted to be more explosive this year and

1:01:35

I think they had four explosive players Rishi

1:01:37

Rice Hollywood Brown and Isaiah Pacheco are now

1:01:40

gone those were three of the four the

1:01:42

fourth the rookie worthy is

1:01:45

an exciting young player can you build a more of

1:01:47

the offense around him I think that's gonna have to

1:01:49

be the challenge as they move forward I don't know

1:01:51

if he's ready for it right yet I

1:01:54

do okay I mean I mean I've we've

1:01:56

seen it yeah if you're worried why

1:01:58

aren't they using it more maybe just I don't

1:02:00

know they Andy Reid does slow play rookies quite a

1:02:03

bit and we and we talked about you know

1:02:05

First four games are their preseason. Let's figure

1:02:07

out what's working and they've had to adjust

1:02:10

some things, right? Because of the injury so

1:02:13

everything I seen that is a beer worthy again if

1:02:15

they decide to lean on him now I think he

1:02:17

could have a Z flowers type of impact before they're

1:02:19

not putting the pressure on him Now they're putting the

1:02:21

pressure on him. I think he's a type

1:02:24

of player. He can go big I bet that's just the thing

1:02:26

against the Saints Saints got the DB's

1:02:28

like Ty Matthews gonna be sitting over the top of him all game

1:02:31

Right, there's not gonna be You

1:02:33

know the type of space that he's been getting and that's

1:02:35

something they're gonna have to stop So can

1:02:38

Andy Reid find out to figure out some things? Underneath

1:02:40

it gets a very solid Saints

1:02:44

defensive front so it'll be

1:02:46

intriguing my thing though is to me This

1:02:49

is more of what are we gonna find out about the

1:02:51

Saints? are they the team that was hanging

1:02:53

40 on people the first two or that

1:02:55

is Decent offensively because they're

1:02:57

going up against one of the top defenses

1:03:00

in the NFL in terms of making You

1:03:03

earn everything that you have to get and

1:03:05

are the Saints that type of offense? We

1:03:08

saw they look they look like they could play that type

1:03:10

of game against the Falcons last week they

1:03:12

just came up short at the end of the game, so I Don't

1:03:15

know. I think this is more of a tell on what the

1:03:17

Saints are gonna be because I think they're a pretty good football

1:03:20

team but against this defense On-the-road we'll

1:03:22

see they are Saints 0 and 2

1:03:24

in close games. They got to blow

1:03:26

out Yeah Those though that 0 and

1:03:28

2 featured some of the most catastrophic

1:03:30

mistakes that you could ever possibly imagine

1:03:32

to get they could very easily Before

1:03:34

and oh and the Kansas City Chiefs have not

1:03:36

been in a game that wasn't enough Oh scheme

1:03:38

there are they play close you came down to

1:03:41

the wire because particularly of the injuries and the

1:03:43

offensive struggles Patrick Mahomes The lowest

1:03:45

mark of his career five point one air yards

1:03:47

per attempt So if we want Xavier

1:03:49

worthy getting all these downfield shots,

1:03:52

they're just not available in this offense

1:03:54

And I kind of feel like between

1:03:56

Nagy and Andy Reid and probably the quarterback

1:03:59

as well those low

1:04:01

percentage opportunities, they feel like they're gonna be

1:04:03

off the field, very, very fast,

1:04:05

if they don't hit those. And so they

1:04:07

don't go to those shot plays as

1:04:09

much. This feels like

1:04:11

an opportunity where it's not wish casting to say

1:04:13

the same thing when you get a win. No,

1:04:16

this feels very realistic. I think the offensive line

1:04:18

is the biggest issue. They

1:04:20

held up well enough last week

1:04:22

without Eric McCoy, without Cesar Ruiz,

1:04:25

two interior players, McCoy, really key, but that

1:04:27

was against the Falcons. That's a team you

1:04:29

can kind of survive with the shaky offensive

1:04:31

line, Trevor Penning and everything. Now

1:04:34

you gotta go up against the Chiefs in their

1:04:36

front with Chris Jones, playing

1:04:39

like a Hall of Famer. And George

1:04:41

Karlath continues to blow up. And so

1:04:43

that worries me a little bit. It'll be

1:04:46

tougher, but I do think there's an opportunity.

1:04:48

I think the one counter

1:04:50

I would have to what you said,

1:04:52

Patrick, is those catastrophic mistakes, that's

1:04:55

a hallmark of this Dennis Allen team. And

1:04:58

Alvin Kamara in the locker room

1:05:00

afterwards was very pointed

1:05:02

about it, like that they make

1:05:05

dumb mistakes. They don't win games

1:05:08

that great teams do. And he was very

1:05:10

frustrated because of the blown opportunities that this

1:05:12

keeps happening to us over and over. Well,

1:05:14

look, you keep on doing the same thing

1:05:16

over and over again. That's a habit, you

1:05:19

know? So that's an issue. You

1:05:21

don't beat Kansas City by beating yourself. And

1:05:24

Kamara's saying that playing with broken ribs. Yeah.

1:05:28

In a game, I can't

1:05:30

imagine the level of frustration to

1:05:32

go out there and have a performance like he did with

1:05:35

broken ribs and to see

1:05:37

them lose to a team that didn't score an

1:05:39

offensive touchdown. That's the thing. I mean, that game

1:05:41

in particular, I think the

1:05:43

Eagles game was more some mental errors.

1:05:45

That was just, I mean, that

1:05:47

was a mental error by Rashid Jaheed, but you wouldn't think that

1:05:50

that would ever happen again, that the

1:05:52

pick six was a little crazy. I

1:05:54

do like the Saints in this one. I gotta admit. Yeah,

1:05:57

I think I keep on board there. I

1:06:00

don't I don't like the points, but I like the

1:06:02

cheese. I keep I keep blowing it just expecting

1:06:05

too much of this same steam. Let's

1:06:07

go to our game in Seattle

1:06:09

coming off that heartbreaker scorefest against

1:06:11

the lions. A six point favorite

1:06:14

against Malik neighbors and the New

1:06:16

York Giants. For some reason, people

1:06:18

keep putting dimes on promos about

1:06:20

the Giants and I just have

1:06:22

to audibly change it. The

1:06:24

same way Seattle favored by 643 and a

1:06:29

half Andrew Catalan Tiki Barber Jason McCordie

1:06:32

on the call Steve where

1:06:34

Gino played great. He played a spectacular

1:06:36

football game, but the defense literally could

1:06:38

not get Jared Goff to throw a

1:06:40

single incompletion. Yeah, I mean look they

1:06:42

had what for four starters in the

1:06:44

front seven who are all down. You

1:06:47

know, I don't know if they're getting any

1:06:49

of those guys back first. I was going

1:06:51

back to your announcers. Jason McCordie doing a

1:06:53

good job is spectacular. He's really, really just

1:06:56

a hell of an analyst. You know props to him. But

1:06:59

to get back to this game. You know

1:07:02

the six the six number looks big to

1:07:04

me for Seattle because

1:07:06

you know defensively

1:07:09

they had their issues. You saw how

1:07:11

Detroit really put some good secondary players.

1:07:13

Rick Bullen and especially Devin Witherspoon in

1:07:16

tremendous conflict. I don't

1:07:19

know if the Giants have the players necessarily

1:07:21

to do that or the quarterback to do

1:07:23

that or the play caller

1:07:25

to do that, but until

1:07:28

Seattle gets fully healthy up front there's going

1:07:30

to be some opportunities there. But

1:07:32

Seattle is going to score. I mean there

1:07:35

the Seahawks are going to put

1:07:37

points up. We saw out of Kenneth Walker

1:07:39

special is and they're going to get now

1:07:41

they're going to continue to rely on him.

1:07:44

And we finally look super healthy. I

1:07:46

think he's going to be able to run the ball against

1:07:49

the Giants. That's going to get those pass rushers who

1:07:51

are very good for the Giants on their heels

1:07:53

and then Geno just dialing it

1:07:55

up. I mean but he's got going with DK

1:07:58

Metcalf is is really special. Kenneth Walker right here.

1:08:00

That's one of the more athletic plays I've

1:08:02

ever seen when he got flipped over lands

1:08:04

on his feet and just keeps

1:08:06

going. I mean, his ability to

1:08:08

change direction, it probably drives their coaches crazy

1:08:10

every now and then. Cause he'll have like a

1:08:13

minus seven thrown in there. He'll lose some

1:08:15

plays, but my God, it's fun to watch

1:08:17

when it, when it works and it's been working

1:08:19

more and more. I think he's gotten better

1:08:21

and better as a pro.

1:08:23

And I think their offensive line has

1:08:25

improved the last three because they were

1:08:28

just a tire fire. The first two weeks where

1:08:30

you thinking it's a big, big problem the

1:08:33

last two weeks, it's been more like, okay,

1:08:35

if you're closer to average, I didn't

1:08:37

think Gino was pressured too

1:08:40

much against the lines when he was, it tended

1:08:43

to be the longer developing plays where he held

1:08:45

the ball and he made it happen. And I

1:08:47

think that's a good sign for them against a

1:08:49

pretty good front. Burns is getting a lot of

1:08:51

pressures and he's not finishing plays. Kvon's coming off

1:08:54

a big game. You got Dexter Lawrence. I think

1:08:56

the, this is damning with faint praise,

1:08:58

but the line, the giants are a good one in

1:09:00

three. I think they're actually, I would agree with

1:09:02

that. I think they've been better. I looked at the rest

1:09:04

of the one in threes here. I think

1:09:06

there's eight or nine teams. I would say

1:09:09

that they're like the second best one in

1:09:11

three team. I mean, that's the least who's had

1:09:13

the banner and met life. Yeah. Who given the first,

1:09:16

I'm giving the borough, the first borough and the bangles,

1:09:18

the first. And I would think just an average

1:09:20

like weekly play. I think they've probably been a

1:09:22

little better than the Rams and maybe the Cardinals.

1:09:25

I just think they're okay. They're all in the

1:09:27

same area, but they're just not great at anything,

1:09:29

but they're not terrible at anything either. They're just

1:09:31

like a little below average at everything. If

1:09:34

you're looking for a terrible giant step,

1:09:37

you go back to 2022 on

1:09:39

downfield passing attempts, Daniel Jones has

1:09:42

thrown more interceptions than

1:09:44

he has completion. Okay. I

1:09:46

take it back touchdowns. I take what I

1:09:48

just said on downfield passing. There were several

1:09:50

times on that game on

1:09:53

Thursday night where giants receivers were open.

1:09:55

Yeah, they were open and the ball

1:09:57

placement was so bad that they, the

1:09:59

Cowboys defense. was able to get back

1:10:01

and make plays or the ball just

1:10:03

wound up being uncatchable. And after seeing

1:10:05

the Seahawks defense go up against, again,

1:10:08

the most accurate quarterback on the night

1:10:10

in NFL history, it's going

1:10:12

to be a feel good reprieve to

1:10:14

see number eight on the other side. It's interesting

1:10:17

that Danny Jones, deep ball conversation, some folks are

1:10:19

just saying it because the injuries he's can't uncork

1:10:21

anymore. I mean, I don't know if there's any

1:10:23

factual truth behind it, but you just see over

1:10:25

and over when he's trying to throw that deep

1:10:27

ball, it is, it is

1:10:29

not getting there. Yeah. I take

1:10:31

back what I said that they're like just below average everything

1:10:33

because they're terrible at throwing the deep ball. That's a big

1:10:35

factor. And then you're got Malik neighbors,

1:10:37

right? And when you have good, you have Darius slate

1:10:39

and that's what he wants to major in. And he's

1:10:42

a good NFL player. He's not like a great one,

1:10:44

but he's a rotation. He's a good player, but you're

1:10:46

not taking advantage of him. You're not taking advantage of

1:10:48

Jalen Hyatt who can barely get on the field for

1:10:50

his team. And you're

1:10:53

going up against some cornerbacks who can play

1:10:55

sticky man coverage. And that just,

1:10:58

that limits what you want to do. So yeah, I

1:11:00

don't think they'll win this game, but I don't

1:11:03

know if I trust the Seahawks to be blowing teams

1:11:05

out either. I could, I can see this coming down

1:11:08

to the end between the giants and the Seahawks.

1:11:10

Why not? Yeah. Why

1:11:12

not? Jason McCordie will really give us a good

1:11:15

insight on it as well. I think he's doing a great job, but

1:11:17

I'm glad you shouted him out. Yeah,

1:11:19

indeed. And shout out to

1:11:21

Eugene Cyril Smith and everything that he's

1:11:23

doing in Seattle. Let's

1:11:25

get to our final game. It

1:11:27

is another game. Speaking of the

1:11:29

NFC West, a division matchup between

1:11:32

the Arizona Cardinals at the

1:11:34

San Francisco 49ers. We were trying

1:11:36

to figure out these teams right now. It's

1:11:39

49ers favored by seven, but it's

1:11:41

just up and down. Greg, we

1:11:43

see the Arizona Cardinals come out.

1:11:45

They hang a billion points

1:11:47

on the Rams and then the offense has

1:11:49

been slow ever since and

1:11:52

looking at San Francisco, like

1:11:54

when are they going to be the 49ers that

1:11:56

we know? I think they were pretty close to

1:11:58

it. Now the Patriots are the Patriots. But they

1:12:01

controlled that game. They got up 20 to nothing.

1:12:03

They had their good players come back in

1:12:05

terms of Debo and George Kittle. I

1:12:09

like the direction that they're going. I think they're

1:12:11

getting fantastic play out of Brock Purdy. I talked

1:12:13

about him on quarterback island. I think he's playing

1:12:15

better than than when he was an MVP

1:12:17

candidate a year ago. I think

1:12:19

he's legitimately one of the five

1:12:22

best quarterbacks in the league so far this

1:12:24

year. And so if your quarterback's playing that well

1:12:26

and you have all this talent around him, the

1:12:28

defense, that's the question. And this is

1:12:30

a good week to continue to

1:12:32

try to get healthy because Kyler is just a

1:12:35

little out of out of rhythm. Like his eyes

1:12:37

kept coming down and seeing the pass rush last

1:12:39

week. He's maybe trying to do a little too

1:12:41

much out of structure. He did it against the

1:12:43

Rams so much where he's just out there and

1:12:45

it's the Kyler show that he might have fallen

1:12:47

too much in love with it the last couple

1:12:49

of weeks. And you're not seeing a lot of

1:12:52

making throws at the back of his drop and in

1:12:54

rhythm type of throws to his receivers. Yeah, the last

1:12:56

four games with these teams, I mean, the 49ers have

1:12:59

just rolled Arizona. And, you know,

1:13:01

there's a potential for this to happen right here.

1:13:03

Jordan Mason is going to get some

1:13:05

rushing yards here. I mean, he's he's just got

1:13:07

it working. I don't care what defense they're playing. They're

1:13:10

offensive line. I mean, look at this right

1:13:12

here. That's what you call playing on a

1:13:14

thread, that zone stretch scheme. And he just

1:13:17

breaks the first tackle every

1:13:19

time. You're not going to get a clean look

1:13:21

at it, but he's just a typical. Now Niners running

1:13:23

back where he's going to get positive yards for

1:13:25

watching video of him in the red

1:13:27

zone cut back. He's getting into the end zone. That's going

1:13:29

to happen against the Cardinals. They

1:13:31

are not great at any level and tackling.

1:13:34

It seems like Buddha Baker's got 17 tackles

1:13:36

every game coming up from the safety spot.

1:13:38

That's going to open up things in the run game. I

1:13:41

just this is one Rob Brock. Purdy, if he throws the

1:13:43

ball 24 times, I'll be surprised because I just think that

1:13:45

he's going to be able to run the ball. Deebo is

1:13:47

going to get some runs. Well, I

1:13:50

think this can be a heavy, heavy rushing attack

1:13:52

by the 49ers at home. I'm

1:13:54

glad you brought up Brock Purdy because

1:13:56

it's kind of getting lost. Brock Purdy

1:13:58

is leading the NFL in passing. right

1:14:00

now. 1,130 passing yards this season. Under

1:14:02

20% of those have been after the

1:14:04

catch. So

1:14:09

this collective Brock Purdy, you know,

1:14:12

fraud watch criticism where it's like, Oh, this is

1:14:14

all, this is all yards after the catch and

1:14:16

Oh, Sam Donald should come in and play instead

1:14:18

of him. And like Brock

1:14:21

is playing very good football with

1:14:23

the team not being the

1:14:25

guys who are consistently in and out.

1:14:27

We've, we've seen Trent leave

1:14:29

games, right? That I you guys

1:14:32

had a slow start. They had to rely on

1:14:34

Juwan Jennings. It's Brock is

1:14:36

playing really, really good football right now. And

1:14:38

the Arizona Cardinals, the young player, like it

1:14:40

makes sense that he's improving a lot

1:14:43

this early in his career. He's played

1:14:45

so much and in such big spots.

1:14:47

And you think of him because

1:14:50

he was Mr. Irrelevant as like, and

1:14:53

I, I maybe fell victim to this too of like

1:14:55

that. He's just this guy that isn't

1:14:57

going to be as talented, but we

1:14:59

expect talented young quarterbacks to

1:15:01

keep improving in their first five years

1:15:03

before they are fully formed. And we're

1:15:05

seeing more of the fully formed Brock

1:15:07

Purdy. He can continue to get better,

1:15:09

but he's, he's not afraid to throw

1:15:11

deep. No, like his percentage of deep

1:15:13

throws is sky high yards per attempt.

1:15:16

He's leading the league by half a

1:15:18

yard. I, I

1:15:20

can't question his decision-making like he's running

1:15:22

the ball pretty well too. It's in

1:15:24

this Cardinals defense after a decent

1:15:27

three weeks where you're like, Oh, they're playing a little over

1:15:29

their skis came back to earth. And that was kind of the

1:15:31

Cardinals defense. You expected to see a week ago against the

1:15:33

commanders. Yeah. And to get back to Brock, I mean, you've heard

1:15:35

me say it over and over. He's a killer, right?

1:15:38

He is a dude who, when it comes down to

1:15:40

it, you test him, he's going to rip it to

1:15:42

you. Like he's not someone who's going to take a

1:15:44

shot, right? He's not Jake Cutler type. I'm going to

1:15:46

show you my big arm and try and rip it

1:15:49

in there, but he finds the receiver. He is not

1:15:51

afraid to throw the ball

1:15:53

to where it's supposed to go to the

1:15:55

throw. Juwan Jennings or whomever who

1:15:57

might be covered. I'm going to put it to where you're going to catch it and you're going

1:15:59

to make. to play. I just think he's

1:16:01

a winning quarterback, but not in

1:16:04

the, oh, he's a winner type of right. He's a

1:16:06

guy who's going to be able to lead you to

1:16:08

victory. And I think he's showing that like we talked

1:16:10

about just everything that they've been without. They've

1:16:12

got him. The playoff run, I think is going

1:16:14

to get a little lost because they lost that

1:16:16

game. But the fact that he was in

1:16:19

a position where he had to make a drive to

1:16:21

avoid a really tough loss in the

1:16:23

division round and they get it done. Now

1:16:26

he was a big part of the reason

1:16:28

they were trailing by so much at halftime

1:16:30

in the NFC championship, but to respond like

1:16:32

he did. And I will always remember his

1:16:34

drives at the end of the Superbowl in

1:16:36

the way that I remember Tom Brady's 2007

1:16:38

drive to take the lead over the Giants

1:16:40

as one of the best moments of his

1:16:42

career. It really was. And then

1:16:44

they lost the game anyways. That's how it

1:16:46

happens. Brock Purdy had some incredible

1:16:49

moments in the biggest of spots.

1:16:51

And this is not that, but they

1:16:53

do need to win. Suddenly, you know, you lose at

1:16:55

home and against the Cardinals and your two and three

1:16:57

and everyone's panic and trademark bride is

1:16:59

expected to be back for this game. That

1:17:01

is good news for the fantasy tight end

1:17:03

apocalypse of 2024. It's

1:17:06

nasty out there. Tumble weeds and people are

1:17:08

fighting for cat food, the tight end world

1:17:10

is tough. I got people picking up Elijah

1:17:13

Higgins and starting them in my league. It's

1:17:15

like, whoa, getting psyched up by Isaiah likely

1:17:17

after week one and good call Steve. Yeah.

1:17:19

Geno does have Brock by 52 yards. Okay.

1:17:22

So Geno's still number one, but, but hey,

1:17:24

to Greg, what a world,

1:17:26

what a world that everyone just kind

1:17:28

of accepts like, Oh yeah, Geno, he's

1:17:30

a top 10 quarterback. He's the man. It's

1:17:32

just accepted. It's not even controversial. Not at all.

1:17:35

No, no, let's go. It's just facts. That's what we

1:17:37

deal. That's what we deal in what

1:17:40

we also deal in here. Factual

1:17:42

analysis information, little bit of fun

1:17:45

in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio.

1:17:47

Always loved doing this preview show

1:17:50

with Steve Weiss and Patrick Claiborne.

1:17:52

Thanks for watching NFL daily. Yes.

1:17:54

I'll be back Thursday night. Fun

1:17:56

game. Love the NFC South bucks.

1:17:58

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1:18:04

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1:18:06

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1:18:08

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1:18:11

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