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Yo, yo, yo, we live

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on location New York City

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NBA draft week 2024, man, I

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got the blackest one

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with me as always as the

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knuckleheads. It's our pleasure to do his collab

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right now with our big homie, our big

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brother, our OG certified

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AKA Kevin Gardiner, AKA

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big ticket. And we

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honored to be joined with the one and only John

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Wall right now. So we're going to get into it

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like we know how, man. Talk our little ish.

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Blackest one. What's up?

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Oh, man, I'm happy to be here, man. We

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got all these beautiful people in the crowd, man.

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Glad to have J. Wall here, man.

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Big ticket. Yes, sir. Beautiful

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event, man. Shout out,

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Rebrand. Shout out Players Tribune for doing it up

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for us out here. Real nice and decent. We're

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here for the draft, but I got a question

0:59

for John Wall. Like I know

1:01

when I came out, I had this suit

1:03

like Kendrick Perkins had on the ESPN commercial

1:06

with Corbello Anthony. It was real big. Double

1:08

bagging. Did you have one of them suits

1:10

when you came out for the draft, but

1:12

it was a little tighter than

1:14

because you know these days, them young fellas, they show

1:16

them ankles. Everything in your row. They got them ankles

1:18

out of everything. Everything in your row. Right. Now,

1:21

in 2010, I weren't wearing no fitted suits back there. It was a

1:23

little big, but my mom picked my suit out. So it

1:26

was cool. It wasn't like your shoes you're talking about,

1:28

like in the commercial. They got it. But it was

1:30

like oversized. There wasn't no 50. You

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want to see no ankles or nothing like that.

1:34

Yeah, them guys got the mancles out, man. These

1:36

days. That's the mood. Hey, hey,

1:38

Tiki, let's take it back to your draft. Now,

1:40

I could remember being at the crib in Chicago

1:43

watching you about to make history. You just leaving

1:45

fair get I'm seeing you right there in the

1:47

red West and you the highest

1:49

at that point, the highest high school pick to

1:51

ever go out. You did you know you was

1:53

going to go to the T-wolves? Did you have

1:56

any idea where you was going to go and that you

1:58

would be making history at that point? Honestly,

2:00

I thought I was going to Toronto because I

2:02

knew Zeke was a big fan of mine and

2:04

he told me to my face that if you

2:06

dare seven, I'm gonna take you. And

2:09

I was gassed, you know. I

2:12

was coming through Chicago, so I had just learned all this

2:14

history about the west side of Chicago, pretty

2:16

much how the whole rumble rose, you

2:18

know what I'm saying? And

2:20

the fiber of all of that, Isaiah Thomas and his

2:23

family's in the fiber of the west side and how

2:25

that went, you know what I'm saying? So it was

2:27

almost like a compliment, but when I

2:29

did the workout, I had to do this random ass

2:31

workout that was totally different, totally different from how everybody

2:34

else had to do it because I was still in

2:36

school. And Kevin McHale was

2:38

at the workout, so he and Isaiah

2:41

Thomas was up there just watching me or whatever.

2:43

So I knew he had liked me or whatever and I had a good

2:45

workout in front of him, so I knew, you

2:48

know, you don't know what's going to happen in the draft until

2:50

it happens, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, I went in

2:52

there, I knew I felt good about what I

2:54

had displayed and then the rest of his history. What

2:57

y'all think about, you know, I feel like when we

2:59

was in the league, when we got in the league, man,

3:02

we was in the ice age. But

3:04

now in this day and era, man,

3:06

we looking at these drafts, man, these

3:08

boys have the grills in, they have

3:10

the chain, they have the bracelet, the

3:12

ring. What you thinking about that ice

3:15

they be showing every year on this

3:17

draft day, man? I

3:19

don't know, they doing too much. Like even you

3:21

go to media day, they got grills, chains on

3:24

on media day, they're supposed to be ready

3:26

for the season, yeah. They got their drills in and

3:28

all that. How first came in, I had

3:30

like- Not different now to you, they can do something we could

3:32

never do. But when I first came in 2010, like

3:34

vets won't lie on that, like, nah, you're going to come

3:37

in and be professional to do it this way. Like

3:39

now the young guys is running it, they got

3:41

no vent, so they going the way however they want

3:43

to do it. So it's the image thing for them,

3:45

they feel like they're rapping. They

3:48

lit. And they different than us, they been getting

3:50

money before the draft, you know, we didn't get

3:52

to money until we got to the draft. You're

3:55

not yelling, you know. This is a

3:57

good thing though. They already been getting money.

4:00

The good thing though for these young kids to get

4:02

money to my take on is this Yeah,

4:05

I feel like you're certain extent Cuz

4:07

if you wake it up every morning at 6 a.m. To

4:09

work out and now you telling me I'm a junior in

4:12

high school I'm getting 4 million. Are you still getting up

4:14

at 6 a.m. Cuz you got your dream car So

4:17

it depends on like you really love the game So then they

4:19

let you know if you love the game you really want to

4:21

play it for the love or you playing it for The fame

4:23

and the money and what come with it Yeah,

4:25

that's really what it's not done to it's

4:28

not really showed you who really wants to Tells

4:30

you man if you ever want to see if a mug works hard

4:32

give them everything See if you still

4:35

work hard see if you still stay committed Yeah,

4:37

no, I'm saying see if you stay, you know

4:39

accountable. See if you still got petition for him

4:41

to grow Yeah, I'm not I'm not

4:43

as mad at them getting paid I

4:45

feel like God should get paid even to

4:48

like you like you say to a certain

4:50

extent in situation But I don't like the

4:52

fact I don't like the transfer portal Like

4:55

I don't like the way it's Like

4:58

the parameters because it's like to me a kid

5:00

could not have any problem But you know saying you

5:03

could love the universe up in the morning I'm at

5:05

it But you go into practice one day your coach

5:07

to your ass out and getting your ass and you

5:09

salty about that you come home Say, all right. I'm

5:11

cool. I'm out. I don't like the way he talked

5:14

Bro, that ain't setting them up to learn

5:16

to have no toughness No, man, like we

5:18

all had them coaches to let us know

5:20

you ain't this or you ain't that and

5:22

you got work Like

5:24

if you don't we could just run from that we

5:27

about to have a soft-ass generation That's what I

5:29

feel like you just get tough. I could just

5:31

take off. I don't like that part Let's say

5:33

if I met this school and I was getting

5:35

800,000, right? I'm

5:38

one of my fifth year. I'm like fuck. I'm gonna test

5:40

the portal now another school offered me two million You think

5:42

I ain't gonna leave it might not be the best situation

5:44

or the right fit, but they gonna go chase it So

5:46

I'm like if you're a top high school player in the

5:48

country You gonna go number one number

5:50

two number three regardless Don't chase the money right then

5:52

go for the right fit because you chasing the money

5:55

It might be a bad fit where you don't prepare

5:57

yourself and go to the league the next year So

6:00

they chasing the money. Wow. Wow,

6:03

that's going to be it, huh? Where was

6:05

your draft at, man? In

6:07

New York. New York? Where was it?

6:09

My one's in Toronto. My

6:11

one's in it. We was still in that generation where I was

6:13

moving around. When you had to move. Before it stopped, it just

6:16

said New York, New York. We was in Minnesota. We was in

6:18

Minneapolis, Minnesota. Shout

6:20

out Khaled Alamee. He from there, so we had a dope

6:22

ass South Dakota. The other one, I don't know what the

6:25

hell we would be. I had to know when I went

6:27

to greenhouse, I was lit. Let

6:30

me ask you this, though. I want to tap

6:32

in on the current NBA ticket. You

6:34

a Celtics legend, a Celtics great. Tell

6:36

me how you feel. I got a

6:39

little preview from the certified and true

6:41

clowns connection, but tell me what it

6:43

is for you to watch them

6:45

boys hang up, batting number 18, and

6:47

y'all take over the lead over the Lakers and

6:49

get 18 to day 17. What

6:51

do that mean? I see what you on, man. I see

6:54

what you on. I see what you

6:56

on. That's that club for sure. We don't act like

6:58

that ain't anything. It's a green summer. You know what

7:00

I'm saying? Everybody wear your green

7:02

this summer. It felt good

7:04

to see the guys actually reach their goal. That

7:07

group of guys has been through some shit the last five years,

7:09

you know what I'm saying? So it's good to see them get

7:12

over the hump. I thought they was

7:14

the better team throughout the whole year. I think

7:16

they was consistent throughout the whole year, and they

7:18

played angry. They

7:20

played mad. They played, you know what I'm saying? You know how you

7:22

play when you get that get back, you get

7:24

back and you know how you want to go. I felt

7:26

like they was really locked in from A to Z, from

7:29

training camp all the way to the finals, man. And

7:32

now it's the question mark, can they repeat? I

7:34

think they got the tools to be able to repeat. I would love to see

7:36

what they're doing this summer, but yeah, it's a

7:38

green summer. I'm glad to see the guys winning,

7:40

man. You feel like they was disrespected a little

7:42

bit because I mean, everybody

7:45

want to talk about people that was injured who

7:47

they play. Like this is one of the most

7:49

dominant playoff runs, period. They lost what, two, three

7:51

games? They kicked the shit out of everybody. I

7:53

don't know what people was watching, bro. Gentlemen sweep

7:56

in the finals, like they, regardless

7:58

of what you think or what you guys. You

8:00

gotta put the respect on their name to what

8:02

they actually did no matter what was put in

8:04

front of them That the outcome is the outcome

8:06

they had one of the most That's

8:10

You gotta go do that and you got a win on the

8:13

road, you know how hard it is That's what I'm saying. Some

8:15

of these some of these takes man It'd

8:17

be killing players that play because you know how hard

8:20

it is to win on the road You know what

8:22

the roads like who knows that atmosphere is like, you

8:24

know what that focus got to be, right? So

8:27

yeah, man, I was I was just

8:29

listening, you know when you don't understand

8:31

something Now you listen a

8:33

little more, you know, so yeah big ups to

8:35

the seeds man to go in Indiana in a

8:37

high-paced game You know on the road and win,

8:39

you know, I'm saying about come on. No, I

8:42

didn't get it I didn't get it But I

8:44

know basketball and I know what I

8:46

was watching and what they was doing was not this sort of

8:48

greatness What's our thing about

8:50

the coach and hires this offseason? we got we got

8:52

we got Kenny Atkinson going

8:55

to the Cleveland Cavaliers obviously and

8:58

The more controversial one my

9:00

former teammate JJ Reddick Wish

9:04

all take yeah, let me hear y'all cuz y'all wait with

9:06

me. I didn't know he was a coach I didn't know

9:08

my my take on JJ getting the

9:10

job I mean obviously it's a lot of a

9:12

lot of a lot of things being said back

9:14

and forth about privilege or whatever I'm

9:18

not mad at it I mean, I feel like

9:20

obviously it's a million coaches out that has been

9:22

doing doing it big as assistant coaches and things

9:25

like that But let's not act like this hasn't

9:27

happened in the past You know I'm saying he

9:29

ain't the first one won't be the last from

9:31

the last two Mark Jackson to Steve Nash to

9:34

Several others, you know I'm saying it really

9:36

weren't had a lot of coaching experience. I

9:38

mean We got to see

9:40

what he gonna do I like I fuck with JJ

9:42

like I thought different of him before

9:44

I was his teammate when I became his teammate I

9:46

got a new new you understand of who he is

9:48

and what he about one of

9:50

the smartest dudes You know saying heady is

9:52

you know saying NBA play smart know the

9:55

game all of that different stuff inside out

9:57

But he was different than I thought

9:59

he was from the outside looking at me and the

10:01

whole duke all of that like JJ a real dude

10:03

good dude solid dude I fuck with him and

10:06

I wish him well. I mean obviously It's

10:09

that backdrop and everything that goes with it

10:11

But I mean he no different than anybody

10:13

else get into it man Like he gonna

10:15

be under the craziest microscope out there in

10:17

LA. He got a he got a he

10:19

got a do his thing He got a

10:21

win and otherwise he gonna get shit talked

10:23

about him But I'm happy for JJ and

10:26

I wish him well I mean I understand what everybody

10:28

got to say about it and blah blah blah But

10:31

hey man this thing happening this somebody who I was

10:33

a former teammate of and I really think he a

10:35

good dude solid dude And I think he gonna do

10:38

well I think he really noticed shit and I think

10:40

he gonna do it I don't think he gonna take

10:42

no shit from nobody He ain't scared to say something

10:44

with some is some bullshit The JJ redic I know

10:46

gonna call bullshit when he see it and I think

10:48

that's gonna do well for him in his career as

10:50

a coach I Mean

10:53

you take man What you think

10:55

about the JJ? Reading high Oh Kind like

10:57

you said I think like it's a lot of other

10:59

coaches that could have got the job You know like

11:02

I've been had Sam good sales

11:04

my sister coach You know he'd been trying to get a

11:06

head coach and job for a while But like you said

11:08

he's taking the first rodeo when the first time coach is

11:10

getting no type of jobs Oh, it's a

11:13

lot of pressure though No, I mean he got he

11:15

got Braun there if he saw him back there and

11:17

LA want to win They want to aim bent they want to

11:20

aim banners and there's gonna be a lot of

11:22

pressure playing for the Lakers So it's gonna be tough. I'm excited

11:24

for him happy for my plate against him I

11:26

didn't never have the mindset of sitting being a coach, but

11:28

he got a great IQ so you guys sit back and

11:30

see what happens I'm on the

11:32

same stuff now. I'm gonna see I didn't know JJ

11:34

actually Possessed none of this when I

11:36

start to hear him in some of his takes I

11:38

start to hear his IQ I started to hear his growth. I

11:41

knew he was a great shooter smart player That

11:44

was it you know I ain't really heard too much

11:46

on him I really had too much over and I

11:48

heard that he was in the talks for a coach

11:50

I just thought there was I don't know More

11:53

assistance that have put the work in and actually

11:55

built up to the point to be able to

11:57

to be you know Considered for a coaching job,

11:59

but Listen man in this world

12:01

where everything is changing right before our eyes I

12:03

think that the process is a change and I

12:06

think the yesteryear and Traditional ways of

12:08

doing stuff is totally out the window We're in

12:10

the new age of it and I think a

12:12

higher like that seems to be more of

12:14

a popular or Inside,

12:16

you know I'm saying this feels like to

12:19

in order this feels like a

12:21

leveraging piece from being able to keep LeBron You

12:23

know what I'm saying? Yeah, it'd be hard for

12:25

Brian to come in here ask for JJ Reddick

12:27

and then you walk out the door So yeah,

12:29

I see a couple games being played here and

12:31

I'm just I'm just I'm just observing you right?

12:34

But yeah, that's what it feel like but I'm looking forward to see how

12:36

you do, man You know the other

12:38

thing that I have confidence in JJ like the

12:41

one thing that I seen firsthand That

12:44

motherfucker work his ass off and

12:46

I ain't saying that just to be saying that boy

12:49

work before

12:51

after Summertime's crucial like

12:53

so I got like if whatever happens I

12:55

know it's not gonna be a failure because

12:57

he ain't put the work in he about

12:59

to go and tuck his head down and

13:01

Fucking work. That's one thing. I'm super confident

13:03

in that motherfucker work. So let me say

13:05

this the one thing The one thing I

13:07

want to say is that so I watch

13:09

JC I played with Jason Kidner in the

13:11

international one the greatest points guards ever Then

13:14

I went to Brooklyn and I played for him,

13:16

right? So the one thing I think

13:18

that players I think you can say this for Steve Nash

13:20

to John use a point guard As

13:22

a point guard, you know that you can

13:25

manipulate the game. You already notice, you know,

13:27

search the pace artists, right? The

13:29

one thing you can't do when you're a coach man,

13:31

you can see something as a point guard But when

13:33

you sit right there is different from when you got

13:35

the ball in your hand Jason

13:37

kid had great ideas. He had obviously

13:39

you see his growth and obviously got

13:41

to the finals this year But

13:44

he couldn't manipulate the game through the coaching

13:46

of a point guard and see it the

13:48

same way him and Darren Williams They they

13:50

banged and they really butt heads

13:52

a lot on the on the theories just

13:54

because of just that So,

13:56

you know, it's one thing when you sitting there

13:59

watching it, bro, you that seat and you got

14:01

to draw it up man that's a whole another

14:03

experience and I know and I just wonder if

14:05

he's thought about that you know I'm happy for

14:07

JJ but signing

14:10

the Lakers signing JJ is this is if

14:12

they trying to take it to the next

14:14

level like what was the sign

14:16

for what was JJ for if this this we

14:18

still trying to go for a championship or it's

14:21

just yeah we just getting the coach just yeah

14:23

I think they actually hired him to they feel

14:25

you feel like they feel JJ can take them

14:28

over the hump with Dauvin Hale they went to

14:30

the conference finals then they lost first round so

14:33

JJ is supposed to get them over the hump

14:35

that's what this is that's what the assumption is

14:38

why would you hire somebody unless you say we're

14:40

starting over and we're gonna X Y and Z

14:42

you didn't say that and then I

14:44

thought his answer was a bit cocky yo I

14:47

ain't got no answer for that but y'all get

14:49

no fuck JJ ain't bad you heard of this

14:51

straight in the cancer I don't give a fuck

14:53

what y'all talking about now I ain't seen that

14:55

JJ ain't nothing in my life seeing that JJ

14:57

you know what I'm saying I know that's that's

14:59

literally that's how he opposed shit I ain't bullshit

15:03

that ain't cap that was real talk that's

15:06

JJ how he gonna attack shit yeah

15:08

I don't know if it's gonna work out the best

15:11

for my mom but I like the JJ I know

15:13

like he ain't backing down from a challenge and the

15:15

shit they asked him I'm not mad at him saying

15:17

I don't give a fuck because if he I believe

15:19

he really didn't give a fuck about what they said

15:22

like I don't think he's in it to change somebody's

15:24

perception he's in it to fucking win that's a wild

15:26

answer there's a wild answer

15:28

as a getting introduced as John Wall

15:30

get introduced as a coach he

15:32

answered the same way yeah I ain't got no answer

15:34

for that and I don't get no fuck it's gonna

15:36

be received a little different we know that they're gonna

15:38

boot the fuck to rule but get

15:40

this what like yeah that

15:42

was a wild answer I ain't never seen that

15:44

way that's all you know some people can say

15:47

certain things some people can't that's just what it

15:49

is like some people some

15:51

people can get off the couch and and

15:54

be the head coach of the Lakers some people

15:56

can hey let me ask y'all this though what

15:58

y'all think Does Paul George

16:01

and Jimmy Butler, are they Clippers

16:03

in heat after this summer? Do

16:05

they both go back and be back with the

16:08

Clippers and back with the Heat? Or do y'all

16:10

see them going elsewhere? If so,

16:12

where y'all see them going? Now I'll see, I think,

16:14

I kind of see Jimmy trying to get back over

16:16

there with Philly with MB. Because

16:19

you got to remember they said. You think? Listen, you

16:21

got to remember they said, remember they got to remember

16:23

the year they lost to Kawhi when he hit that

16:25

shot, right? They was mad that

16:28

they asked Ben Simmons, they was

16:30

decided between Ben Simmons and Jimmy. They

16:32

chose Ben because he said he was going to work on his game and

16:34

they got rid of Jimmy. And look

16:36

what Jimmy been, he hasn't won a championship, but

16:38

he's been in two finals. You

16:41

know what I mean? So, now MB wants him, I think he's

16:43

a guy that can get in B to

16:45

get out of that mode he be in at times. That was

16:47

a good combination too, man. It was a great combination. You had

16:50

that. You had Zimmy leaving, what about PG? I'm going to get

16:52

to that point, but then you add that with Maxie, where Jimmy

16:54

don't need the ball. And Maxie get

16:56

to be himself and B get to be himself.

16:58

Jimmy fits that role, the defender brain, that dog

17:00

can be a closer for him when teams are

17:02

double team him. But I think Paul George leaves.

17:05

I just think that course is Randy's course. You

17:07

think PG leaves too? Yeah. You

17:10

think PG leaves too? Nah, I don't know what you... I don't think... If

17:12

I thought PG was the only place he was going to go... Listen, he's

17:14

asking for four year 200, right? They're

17:16

not trying to give him that. That's what the problem is

17:18

right now. Stuck on not trying to get that. I think they gave Kawhi

17:20

like 40 or 153 or 163 extension if

17:23

I'm not wrong. He wants 200, he wants a four

17:25

year deal 200. So he's at the point

17:27

now and then they... We know where they can be

17:30

if they healthy, but every year is always one of them getting

17:32

hurt in the playoffs. And sometimes you get

17:34

to that course of like, you gotta move

17:36

on, you gotta move on. Like, you know how especially they are

17:38

when they're together. I play with both of them, but

17:40

I just think PG want to go to a different

17:42

space. That's just my mindset of looking at it. How

17:45

many years they've been together? Five years, four years? Nah,

17:48

it's like five. Cause they both signed

17:50

an extension when they got there and now they're trying

17:52

to re-up with them. I think if Jimmy stay in

17:54

Miami, it's just gonna be a

17:57

crash happening. It's gonna be a bad situation.

17:59

I know Riley ain't gonna

18:01

hold his tongue. Jimmy gonna

18:03

get in this mode because he feel like he

18:06

deserve everything he goes to get. And

18:09

I think that's gonna be a crash. I

18:11

think for Miami, it might be best for

18:13

just gonna move on if that's the decision

18:15

you make because if you don't pay

18:17

that man, I think it's gonna be a crash. With

18:19

PG, I hope

18:22

he stay a clipper. Man,

18:25

I think the clip, they done got

18:27

the short end stick, they never been

18:29

healthy at the right time. They never

18:31

got the opportunity to really, in

18:33

the playoffs, I all us ready to

18:35

go, let's go full force through a

18:37

playoffs. I don't know if they'll

18:39

get the opportunity, but I'm rooting for them

18:41

clippers, so I hope he stay. He's

18:44

a LA kid, you know what I'm saying? You see

18:46

a lot of them LA kids look up to him

18:48

and love to see them LA boys do they thing

18:50

in LA. I just think it's just

18:52

fitting for him. I don't

18:54

think it going all the way back

18:57

across the country. They

18:59

say he might go up the road though. They

19:03

sayin' him play lead, he might go up to the bay. Yeah,

19:07

if play lead- I'm just sayin', that's what's out

19:09

there, Tiki. That'll be nice. Man,

19:14

I don't know, but Jimmy Butler back in Philly, that's

19:17

a good look. That could be crazy. Man, what

19:19

does that say for Miami though? I

19:22

think they're passing the torch to Bam. I

19:24

think if you do that, you're passing the torch to

19:26

Bam. To

19:29

take that next step to be that franchise- All

19:31

this, you gotta dozell, man, to build up to

19:33

be better for the C's. I think everybody who's

19:35

making these changes is thinking about

19:37

how do you dethrone the Boston Celtics. Wow.

19:40

You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be

19:42

tough. Yeah, real shame. You gotta have some

19:44

depth. Tic, you got- even when

19:46

y'all got any more questions for J.D. before he get

19:48

out of here, they gotta brain perk up. You

19:50

know, John Wall, man, I just want you to know, man,

19:52

you're one of my favorite young boys, man. I've always been

19:54

a super fan of yours. Straight up. I got a ton

19:56

of respect for you, man. I hope you get another opportunity

19:58

at this shit. You can play

20:00

with a lot of these young boys, real shit. You

20:03

hear me? You say that. I'm chasing that shit, bro.

20:05

Yes, sir. You hear me? Respect. Good to see you.

20:07

Yes, sir. Real shit. Yeah, yeah. Love following your career,

20:09

man. You're one of my favorite players. Like, watching

20:12

your steps, man. And, you know, man, I

20:14

love what you're doing after this, man.

20:17

We love to see the growth. You know what I'm

20:19

saying? I'm a fan of the representation of the big

20:21

guard. I felt like I was a big. I wasn't

20:23

the biggest guard, but I played bigger than I would.

20:25

And I feel like you one of

20:28

them motherfuckers, like one of the dudes that had

20:30

the most blocks as a PG, played big,

20:32

bodied big dudes, all of that stuff. So

20:34

you already know how I'm rocking. I'll fuck

20:36

with it. Appreciate you, Joe. We appreciate you,

20:38

big dog. Good to see you, Jay Wall.

20:40

Yes, sir. My dog. Yes, Lord.

20:42

Let me know you ready for this content shit.

20:44

I am. Let's get it. Coming

20:46

to the stage, big Kendrick Perkins,

20:48

everybody. Big Perk! Giving up a

20:50

big Perk NBA champ in the

20:53

building. Big Perk! Hey. Big

20:56

Swamp thing. What? Got

20:58

the big dog. Big Swamp. I

21:01

was looking good. I'm just saying, I was

21:03

afraid that these chairs had a weight limit.

21:05

No. No, these chairs are bigger than these

21:07

big balls. They're bigger than Big Swamp. I'm

21:10

telling you, they better than tax-free money.

21:12

Right. That's right. My

21:15

first question for you, Big Perk, man. Who

21:17

next year, which one of these teams going to take

21:20

the leap next year and do something

21:22

like Minnesota or something like Dallas did

21:24

this year? Good question. Good question, dude.

21:27

I mean, you got to

21:29

think that Memphis

21:31

and J.A.R., they go bounce

21:34

back, right, all that he been through,

21:37

season end injury. But

21:40

I'm looking at the Rockets. I

21:42

like what E. May Eudoka doing over there. He

21:44

being bullshit. I like what he's doing over there.

21:46

He got a culture. He got

21:48

some fucking dogs. Got some pieces. He got

21:50

some pieces. He got a leader and friend,

21:53

Van Vliet. Yeah. Jim. The young boy. Jalen

21:57

Green. He took a leap this

21:59

year. Big leap. And I heard they trying

22:01

to get Marcus smart and then you they got

22:03

draft picks so they could maneuver and

22:05

work some things out He'll come

22:07

tomorrow. I like Shane goon, bro What

22:09

y'all think of Alparin Shane goon big

22:11

fella down there you wrote with the

22:13

footwork with the post game I was

22:15

an early buyer on him. I was

22:17

you remember black. I was in like

22:20

yo, he got footwork, you know I'm

22:22

old school. I like post game. I

22:24

like footwork. I like moves and he

22:26

showed that So look I was actually

22:28

working a draft when he got drafted

22:30

and When I was

22:32

looking at cuz I didn't know I didn't know who the

22:34

fuck there was right and when they gave me the notes

22:37

They was like, oh He's like a

22:39

baby yokie. It's and you be wanting to say like

22:41

right get the hell out of here But then all

22:43

of a sudden is like Yeah

22:48

Annie a dog Annie

22:50

a dog. Nice. I just leave some earth

22:52

a little bit more than Joker to yeah

22:55

Yeah, you're gonna put you in the basket

22:57

you go snatch the screws out the room

22:59

Yeah, so but I'm looking at the Rockets man. I'm

23:02

like Shit, he made you

23:04

doken. He got the attention, you know, they

23:06

they start playing great late And

23:08

you know, they was knocking at the door the play in

23:11

tournaments. I'm like shit. They could make a lot of noise

23:15

Yeah, I kill I don't mean to disrespect

23:17

you but it just feel good to be up here

23:19

with my straight out of high school Alumni,

23:22

you know, I know you might not know nothing about

23:24

that Disrespect

23:27

I feel like I'm the most enlightened on

23:29

this stage You

23:34

know I

23:38

think you want to be darker. I think you want to

23:40

be chocolate You want to

23:42

leave that hazel that hazel tone? You want to

23:44

come over to this blue guy like listen,

23:46

I ain't by Stan. I'm like Switzerland.

23:48

I ain't really You

23:52

know, you might kick cat that's okay. Look I

23:54

play my position brother. It was the Lord

23:56

gave me what he gave me I'm cool

23:58

Oh caramel motherfucker I'm not gonna throw that. I'm

24:01

not gonna throw that. Talk

24:03

about the Knicks next year though. Everybody's

24:06

sleeping on the Knicks. Listen. When

24:09

I put some respect on my boy

24:11

Big Bully Brunson, I know that. Listen,

24:13

real shit, man. I'm just

24:15

saying. You know, like, for real shit,

24:17

Boston hands down was 20

24:20

games, 15 games better than any team

24:22

in the league, right? If

24:24

you look at what the Knicks have done with Bogey,

24:27

with the kid that came from OG, man,

24:32

ain't nobody talking about Rob. Like, I'm looking

24:34

at the help pieces. You need a defender.

24:36

You need a closer. And you need some

24:38

dogs. They got, man, that's what I'm

24:40

saying. Three Da Vinci, Hart,

24:42

Audemars, they got experience, bro. They deep

24:44

as hell. They creeping

24:46

through, they trying to steal bridges

24:48

from Brooklyn on the low. It's

24:50

real under the radar, but if

24:52

they get they other noble brother

24:54

from Zeke, then we really the

24:56

noble Knicks. Then they really the

24:58

other noble Knicks. That's smoking the city. They can hear that kid. We

25:01

can't bring this into the OG. Is it an odd man out

25:03

though? Huh? Is it an odd man out?

25:05

What you mean? Like, is Randall the odd

25:07

man out? Nah, nah, he's not. He's an odd man

25:09

out. Here's the thing. You don't fucking trade Randall. You

25:14

know the best thing that happened for any

25:17

player is that when they

25:19

get injured and your team has

25:21

success, you get a chance

25:23

to sit back and evaluate yourself and

25:25

be like, damn, okay, when I get back on

25:27

the floor, I got to start, I

25:29

got to start maneuvering this way. I got to

25:32

start making the extra pass this way. I got

25:34

to start losing myself in the team. So

25:36

when your team have success, they want 50 games.

25:40

Jaylon Bronson was the best player in the

25:42

Eastern Conference in my opinion. The man was

25:44

averaging 30-fold since the All-Star

25:46

break. Hit the

25:49

league in post-season for a scoring wise.

25:51

Let me ask you this though, Perk. Just

25:54

off what we have seen, right? If we

25:56

just go off what we have seen from

25:59

everybody. Who seems

26:02

more likely to come

26:04

to that team, like whether it's Randall

26:06

coming back or Bridges coming to

26:08

the team? Who you think

26:10

of fitting in better? Excepting Big

26:13

Bully Brunson, you the man. Is

26:15

it gonna be Miquel Bridges who came from college with

26:17

him being the man? Or is it gonna be Julius

26:20

Randall who before he got hurt, he

26:22

was the man who made the All-Star team and he

26:24

didn't? Man, let me tell you. I'm

26:26

just asking. Let me tell you what, let

26:29

me tell you what KG told Wig Grossbeck

26:32

one time, the owner of the Celtics. They

26:34

bumped heads in a ball sign. KG

26:36

was like, you go find

26:38

somebody else to give you this 2010 and

26:40

five a night. You ain't finding nobody

26:43

else right now that's gonna give you 2010 and

26:46

five assists a night. Julius Randall giving you

26:48

that. However you wanna look at

26:50

it, that's hard to replace. He

26:53

giving you 2010 and five. And

26:55

three or four of those rebounds are

26:58

all fissled. Hey Perk, guess

27:00

what? Tell me

27:02

how many games Miquel Bridges has missed

27:04

since high school. I get that. Tell

27:06

me. I get that. If you

27:08

ain't healthy, you can't give me 2010 and five.

27:11

This man Miquel Bridges ain't

27:13

missed a game. But look,

27:16

this is Julius Randall's first

27:18

season missing games. Listen. Here's

27:20

the thing, you gotta have

27:23

something. You couple that with the Villanova

27:25

connection. I get that Q. That's tough

27:27

to pass up on. Q, I'm with

27:29

you on that. It's filthy and continuity

27:31

they got done. But here's the thing

27:33

that they looking at. When

27:35

you face the Celtics, at

27:38

some point you gotta have something to

27:41

expose them. Julius

27:43

Randall exposed them at some point.

27:45

At some point. Because if

27:47

you playing him and that, Izel Hardenstein

27:50

on the floor together, that means- Hardenstein

27:52

going to OKC or Orlando. No he's

27:54

not. He outta here. No he's not.

27:56

Have a Christmas on that. You think

27:58

so? They can't pay everybody. They gonna

28:00

trade. Mr. Robinson, man, you can't trade

28:03

with hardstyle. All I know

28:05

is you can't keep everything. You're right, if Mr.

28:07

Robinson go, then they can do that, but listen,

28:09

what I see, I see a lot of T-League,

28:11

OKC coming to get that key. He

28:13

said perfect with OKC. They coming to

28:16

get Harkenstein. I seen it the other

28:18

day. And it raised my eyebrows when I

28:20

saw it. I didn't think of it before I saw it.

28:22

I said, oh, oh, that's all they

28:24

need. A selfless dude who don't

28:27

need the ball, who going to take whatever come

28:29

to him behind, hungry. All they,

28:31

all OKC needed. Well, all year

28:33

was a big. And they got Caruso,

28:35

and if they get Harkenstein, it's old. Let me

28:37

tell you something. I knew the

28:39

world was in fucking trouble when

28:42

Sam Presti had his end of

28:44

the season interview. Did you hear?

28:48

He was basically talking about how he

28:50

fucked up on the Gordon Haywood trade.

28:52

Exactly, I messed up. Yeah, and me

28:54

knowing Sam Presti, soon as he got

28:56

an opportunity, same Alice

28:58

Caruso, he could have got at the

29:00

trade deadline, we're giving up picks. He

29:02

got him. That man out here trading

29:04

in, use cars and bring it back.

29:06

They get Harkenstein. Listen, they just, come

29:08

on, fellas, they was number one in

29:10

the West. What? All

29:13

they lost was Josh Giddy. And no disrespect, I fucked

29:15

with Josh Giddy, but he played terrible for them in

29:17

the second half of the season to the playoff. Alice

29:20

Caruso shot 40%, well, regardless of what we

29:23

think of his three ball. He shot 41%, and

29:26

we all know he a fucking

29:28

dog lockdown defender. Him,

29:31

SGA, Lou Dorr, Jalen Williams,

29:33

Chad Holmgren, Harkenstein, them boys

29:35

off the bench. I

29:37

need to see how it worked, though. You

29:39

know how I do it, look good on paper until you get it

29:41

out there, look at Phoenix. You don't think Phoenix

29:44

is going to look like this? You know

29:46

what I'm saying? I need to see it. I

29:48

need to see it, though. And

29:52

free agency is going to change a lot of things.

29:54

Man, the West so crazy. You know

29:56

what I'm saying? Think about if Paul Jordan leaves the

29:58

Clippers. The Clippers still cool. The Couples

30:00

still have a decent team. They went so

30:02

crazy. That's what I'm saying.

30:05

Who y'all think take the biggest step?

30:07

The biggest league next year, Indiana, Orlando,

30:11

or Memphis? I'm telling y'all

30:13

something, man. Memphis to me. Memphis? Cause

30:15

you know why? We had a whole 365

30:17

and Jowas did no narrative. Man,

30:22

y'all remember two years ago when Jowas in

30:24

the league? What kind of noise he was

30:26

making? He was the future face. He was

30:28

the face before Anthony Edwards. Y'all remember when

30:30

the Minnesota Timberwolves played the Memphis

30:33

Grizzlies and what that series looked like?

30:35

That's what I'm saying. So he's gonna be in

30:38

and out of somewhere in that conversation. You

30:40

know what I'm saying? Straight up. And

30:43

I don't hear his name nowhere in it. I'm

30:45

looking at the magic. And

30:48

I'm looking at how weak the

30:50

East is. And I'm

30:52

like, see, they push, they

30:55

push Cavs to seven games. They got

30:57

that experience. They gonna sign somebody. I

30:59

don't know if it's like, I

31:01

don't really buy the whole clay league and go to

31:03

the state until it actually happens. I'm with you on

31:06

that. But what I'm saying is, I

31:08

don't know a team in the league, I

31:11

don't know a team in the league

31:13

that stacked up like the Orlando Magic

31:15

for us perimeter defenders. We got some

31:17

young goons out there. They got some,

31:19

the size, the lit, the athleticism. This

31:21

is the thing that I said, I

31:23

do broadcast for them. People

31:27

don't understand around the league how

31:30

good Paolo and Franz Wagner is. Like Paolo

31:32

starting to get the love. He made

31:34

all started to do it, but they still

31:37

sleeping on Franz. Franz

31:39

is a fucking dog. He's like,

31:41

he don't Turklew 2.0 because

31:44

Turk never played defense. Turk wasn't,

31:47

he wasn't an energy.

31:49

Franz has a way higher motor than Turk. But

31:53

like he's very similar. Turk was a better ball handler,

31:56

probably a better shooter, but he can

31:58

do a lot of this. same

32:00

things that Turk could do. Maybe not to the

32:02

same level, but he bring a lot of that

32:04

to the table. I didn't watch this boyfriend, and

32:07

he surprised the shit out of me. He could

32:09

fucking hoop. He a dog. And

32:11

like, then you put them

32:13

young pieces, the Jalen Suggs,

32:15

the Cole Anthony, the Wagner

32:18

brother, Mo Wagner, the Jonathan

32:20

I-listen. Jonathan Isaac per minute

32:22

is probably the defensive player of the

32:24

year. I get it.

32:26

He's hurt. He has things. But when

32:28

he's available to help me, he is

32:30

a fucking game changer. He's a

32:32

fish. Ask Giannis. Ask whoever is

32:34

one of them dudes. I've

32:36

watched him give Giannis all the problems in

32:39

the fucking world. He is a

32:41

problem. When he is available and healthy,

32:44

they got some shit. If they could figure it out

32:46

in the world that the Stars could line, they could

32:48

be a problem, bro. He

32:51

passed the math and analytics test,

32:53

and he passed the fucking eye

32:55

test. Isaac

32:57

like that, defensive. He just got

33:00

to stay healthy. But look, I had

33:02

Ben Carroll. I voted him. I

33:04

gave him a vote for all NBA 13.

33:08

I'm like, damn. They filthy

33:10

in the west. He got great up side, man.

33:12

He's great up. He got great up side. And

33:15

you can tell he wanted to be let out the package a

33:17

little bit. You know what I'm saying? He got some dog in

33:19

him. He got some mother. I can tell that. I can feel

33:22

that. Ben Carroll, 13 all

33:24

NBA. That's about right. Well, Suggs made

33:26

second team. He was really out here.

33:29

Defensive. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm

33:31

talking about all NBA. Yeah, I gave that

33:33

to Ben Carroll. Third team. Oh, yeah. I

33:35

like that. Listen, Paolo, he just

33:37

figuring out really what he got, bro.

33:39

But the thing that I love about this

33:42

kid, we was at the Jordan Board of

33:44

Governors. I called it Jordan Phantom

33:46

Union last summer at Puerto Rico. This

33:49

like the kick it trip. Bro,

33:51

it's like 10 o'clock in the morning. I'm going

33:54

out to the beach with my wife. We about

33:56

to go meet Mike. Meet Mike Bibby, his wife,

33:58

Manuel. We about to go. Me

34:00

and Mike looking, see somebody down

34:02

on the beach like 30, 50

34:05

yards away doing sprints. I'm

34:08

like, who the hell is that? Me and Ben,

34:10

we go walk out, it's Paolo. He

34:12

out on the beach at 10 a.m. in

34:14

Puerto Rico, hidden it. And

34:17

I saw him later that night, I say, okay, I

34:19

see you out there, young fella. He like, he told

34:21

me, he said, ain't nobody

34:23

else out here working out OG? He

34:25

like, that's my chance to get a one up

34:27

on him. I said, okay, okay, young fella. That

34:30

let me know you got a little something

34:33

different to you when you see, you know,

34:35

it's the little things you see. He was

34:37

out there really on that. Paolo is, he's

34:39

giving us what we thought Ben Simmons was

34:42

gonna give us on

34:44

some real shit. We thought Ben Simmons was gonna

34:46

be him. Hell no. Hell

34:49

yeah, coming out of the other. Ben

34:51

Simmons, hell no. I understand

34:53

where you coming from. No way. I personally didn't think

34:55

that, but I feel what you saying, like the type

34:57

of the level of talent, the type of talent he's

34:59

supposed to be, I can feel

35:01

that. Take it, not now, I'm talking about,

35:03

but Ben Simmons coming out of LSU. Listen,

35:06

Ben Simmons. I saw Ben Simmons before he went

35:08

to LSU. I never thought that if

35:10

you were in the league, and you

35:12

didn't have a jump shot, bro, I was trying to see how

35:15

he was getting, but I never understood how

35:17

he was in league with no G. How? No,

35:19

that ain't it. How you in the league with no

35:21

G, bro? Nope, that ain't it for me. He played

35:24

defense and he got it. I believe, listen, Paolo can

35:26

tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell you what Ben

35:28

Simmons lost me. This is honestly God's truth. I still

35:30

to this day don't give a damn that he didn't have a

35:32

jump shot. He made all-star team off

35:34

that. He was almost Ricky of the year with

35:36

no jumper, right? This is my thing. When

35:39

Ben Simmons lost me was

35:41

when he showed me that he don't

35:43

love basketball. The one thing that you could do

35:46

to anyone of us to get our attention, I

35:49

don't care what we do. If you take

35:51

the game away from us, all

35:54

bets is off. I'm about to do whatever I gotta do to

35:56

figure it out to get the game back. My

35:58

man took the game away from me. He's

36:01

figured out different ways to not play. I

36:03

don't give a fuck what a trainer's saying.

36:05

At some point, I'm gonna fight. I had

36:07

a herniated disc in my bag for the

36:09

whole season. I played with

36:11

that shit from November to fuck, to March. My

36:13

shit was to the point to where you came.

36:18

When you show me that you're willing

36:20

to take it away yourself, there's

36:23

a disconnect with me as a hooper to die

36:25

about this shit. And I don't connect with that.

36:28

When you show me that you're gonna fight, you in

36:30

practice, bro, with your phone waiting

36:33

for a call. What you waiting on? This

36:36

motherfucker right here, he probably thought I

36:38

was a hard-haired youngster and wasn't listening.

36:40

You were? No, I wasn't, motherfucker.

36:42

I listened to everything. I know you listened. I

36:44

know you listened. You don't hear a hard-haired motherfucker.

36:47

So he always used to tell

36:49

me, say, man, I

36:52

watch these little young motherfuckers around the league, and

36:55

I want to watch and see how they act

36:57

after they get the bag. Ben

37:00

Simmons got the bag, and we started seeing the

37:02

true Ben Simmons. But what

37:04

I'm saying is, is that

37:06

Paulo, Ben Simmons, is

37:08

6'10", both 250, you know, 260. I'm

37:13

thinking, like, yeah, man, shit, you get a J,

37:15

you work on your game. Nobody

37:17

couldn't tell me that Ben Simmons wasn't gonna

37:19

be polarizing. Like, he was the number

37:22

one pick that was drafted based on

37:24

his potential. Same with

37:26

Paulo, but Paulo just hit it like, shit,

37:28

I'm here. I

37:31

don't know. I just, I think, because I know what

37:33

I know and I see what I see, I don't

37:35

see being nothing like Paulo. I'm

37:38

just, and that's behind. No, I know.

37:41

I'm with you on that. Maybe if we ask before

37:43

we saw what we saw and you did what you

37:45

did with the height, but knowing what

37:47

I know and seeing how he go, I

37:50

feel like that's disrespectful to Paulo. He's

37:52

saying that, like, they been with 6'10", both backshod. Yeah,

37:54

what are you, coming out, coming out? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

37:56

yeah. Yeah, clean that all the way up. Them

37:59

totally two different. different players. Yeah. And

38:02

Paolo got another level to him too, I think. What?

38:04

Hell yeah. He ain't even

38:06

discovered really how deadly he is and how much of

38:08

a mismatch he is in that mid post. When he

38:11

get that mellow part of the game to him, it

38:13

is over. He sound like that young kid who

38:16

want to cuss and ain't cuss yet. That's a...

38:18

Like when I hear his interviews, you can tell

38:20

he got a good mom. No, no, no. Great

38:23

listen. We was at the Lakers tonight. Did you hear one

38:25

of them? And then you would see him like... The first

38:27

thing you notice when you meet him is that he is

38:29

a great fucking kid. That's the first thing. Great

38:32

fucking kid. He ain't got that... He ain't

38:34

got that... That Rotten Sloove yetter. He had that...

38:37

It might be like, oh shit, like wait a

38:39

minute. He got... He right there though. I

38:42

can see. I like a young Orlando

38:44

kid. Is there anybody in this draft that

38:47

y'all interested to see what's

38:49

going on? I don't know. I don't

38:51

know shit about no motherfucker in here.

38:53

This might be the first draft, Wayne.

38:56

I don't have like someone

38:58

that I'm looking forward to. This might be one

39:01

of the drafts where for

39:04

a very long time we haven't followed someone.

39:06

You know? Like think

39:08

about Zion. Think about Jod. Think about... Everybody

39:10

that's Paulo. All the guys we talked about.

39:12

Jason Tatum. He's not seeing that duration come

39:14

up to this part. This is the first

39:16

time I've not seen a main character in

39:18

this big story of the future.

39:21

This could be a draft of role

39:23

players. Somebody gonna be

39:25

nice, bro. You

39:28

may get out of this entire draft.

39:30

Every draft yields somebody. You may get

39:32

five guys that's gonna be all-star caliber

39:34

players. Knocking at the door all in

39:37

late. That's a lot. My

39:39

draft didn't have that. But that's what I'm saying. Five

39:41

all-stars in this show? No, I'm saying. Five

39:43

is a lot. Late at the dollar line.

39:45

Potentially. Potentially. Potentially.

39:48

Look, I'm stretching it with that. This is the reason

39:50

that every single motherfucking team who got

39:53

picks, they trying to trade them motherfuckers.

39:56

They want no smoke because next year draft,

39:58

that's the motherfucking draft. That's a Koopa Kond

40:00

and all them, man. That's

40:02

Koopa Flagg, that's Trey Johnson.

40:05

They got some motherfuckers

40:07

coming in that draft. This year's draft is

40:09

like some pieces, like even Big

40:11

Edie from Purdue, right? Like where he

40:13

gonna land, he gonna get quality minutes.

40:16

Cleveland, like he's gonna land somewhere, get

40:19

quality minutes. Now you just looking. The

40:21

Spurs got two lottery picks. What they gonna do with

40:23

them? I think they should package them up. And

40:26

damn it, you gotta go get somebody. Right.

40:28

Because the motherfucker win me, he wanna win now.

40:31

Oh, no, he's special, he's different. That

40:34

motherfucker ain't left the United States. You

40:37

know how most Europeans, when they get drafted to

40:39

the situation, as soon as the season over with,

40:41

they go on to the career. He

40:43

got drafted, he went to San Antonio. I'm gonna put on

40:45

12 pounds of muscle. This year he

40:47

done put 10 more pounds of muscle on. He

40:50

need to pull up to UCLA this summer. He

40:52

need to get it to the culture, real talk. Women

40:55

need to go play in the summer. Summertime

40:57

basketball totally different from the NBA stuff. We

41:00

gonna get them out there. Hey, listen, I want

41:02

transition. Cause we ain't had big perc on

41:05

the pie yet. I wanna get into some

41:07

knuckleheads, big perc. You know what I'm saying?

41:09

We got the man out of Beaumont, Texas.

41:12

I done watched him on ESPN talking about

41:14

you don't get in that Texas Hall of

41:16

Fame without putting up some Wilt numbers. So

41:19

let's talk about that 27.5, 16.9, and nearly goddamn nine

41:21

blocks per game, big fella. That's

41:27

working, bro. I heard about you down

41:29

there. You going against my teammate, Jackie

41:31

Butler, Monte Addis, look. Jackie Butler was

41:34

my man. He the first one that

41:36

told me you was a big, big,

41:38

big dog down there. So

41:40

tell me about what it was like for

41:42

you coming up in Beaumont, Texas, being

41:45

a big center down there in

41:48

a big country, making big noise

41:50

down there. Hizal, Hizal, Hizal. Bo-mo.

41:52

Bo-mo. Bo-mo. No,

41:56

but I mean, you know, shit. It's

41:58

a small town. of 100,000 people. Shit,

42:02

I was raised by my grandparents. They were

42:04

my motivation, you know what I'm saying? My

42:06

grandmother made $60 a week. Grandfather

42:09

made $300 a month cleaning up

42:11

the church. So they was my

42:13

motivation to get out, you know what I'm saying? And

42:16

so it was just like

42:18

once I started hitting those growth spurts,

42:21

and then all of a sudden I

42:23

get introduced to the AAU basketball world,

42:25

Houston Hoops. I

42:27

go with one of the KG former

42:29

teammates in Minnesota. I'm playing with him

42:31

for about five years in the evening.

42:33

We was teammates and man,

42:36

it was just like, shit, kill

42:38

or be killed. And every

42:40

single time I stepped on the floor, because you

42:42

know at that time we had no cell phones

42:44

and no shit like that, right? So I think

42:47

the, what's that shit? We had a

42:49

next tail that started to come out.

42:52

Two way. The fucking no kill, where

42:54

motherfuckers was playing snake on the no

42:56

kill and shit like that. And in

42:58

Texas we had PrimeCo, right? A PrimeCo

43:01

cell service. Oh, everybody had to wear that

43:03

PrimeCo. Yeah, you had PrimeCo. You didn't know

43:05

it, but everybody had PrimeCo. So you had

43:07

to, I literally had to ride my bike

43:09

to the library and go check the mock

43:11

draft. And once I saw my name and

43:13

I was like, yeah, in this year draft

43:16

in 2003, they

43:18

got me projected to go late first

43:20

round, second round. I'm like, oh, this

43:23

shit real. And let me, let

43:25

me ask you this. You said you was

43:27

raised by your grandmama and granddaddy. Anybody

43:30

that know you and watch you on ESPN,

43:32

you known for some of your slogans and

43:34

some of your old school sins. Would you

43:36

say that your grandmama and grand, I know

43:39

it's gotta be true. You had to have

43:41

got all of them damn sins on

43:43

the heels like church socks

43:45

and carry on and all

43:48

listen. And he an old

43:50

soul and baby. You had

43:53

to have picked up all of these

43:55

slands from the south and old school

43:57

sins from your granddaddy and grandmama. So

43:59

look. I got a big ass

44:01

family, right? My great grandmother, she

44:04

had 20 kids. Think

44:07

about this. So. That's that old school

44:09

family. 20 kids. 20 kids. And

44:11

she stayed and she. Lot of fucking. My grandpa got,

44:13

it's 15 up. Lot of fucking.

44:16

Lot of fucking. Your great granddaddy ate a lot of

44:18

oranges. She

44:20

stayed next door. So every

44:22

Sunday, all my uncles,

44:25

all my great uncles, they were

44:27

at her house, and we have a big pile

44:30

of gumbo and shit outside and all this shit

44:32

going. And it was

44:34

three card tables going on. You had

44:37

spades, you had pettypack, and you had.

44:39

You don't know nothing about that spade.

44:41

Shit. At that time, I was playing.

44:43

You got your boy, you got 10. What's

44:45

up? What's up? What's up? I

44:47

keep ace king, queen, get my back pocket. Nigga,

44:50

we can gamble right now. But look. Y'all

44:52

play that tongue down here? Yeah. Okay. And

44:55

dominoes. So you gotta think, right? You

44:57

may have my Uncle Pucci. He

45:01

just got off lot for doing

45:03

two years. So he didn't play

45:06

dominoes incarcerated. Yeah. So he

45:08

come in, he got his sins at the

45:10

domino table. You know what I'm saying? You

45:12

go to the spade table, they got they's

45:14

sins, and that shit still go

45:17

on to this day. So now, I'm

45:19

hearing these sins when I'm at the table, and

45:21

they talking shit to him, I'm like, oh shit.

45:24

I'm gonna go put that in. I'm gonna go

45:27

put that into the real black culture. Everybody, this

45:29

is a real peak, a little preview into what

45:31

we have in a lot of different households growing

45:33

up. This how we become who we

45:35

become. I'm gonna go put this shit on TV. You

45:38

starting to slap cards and slap

45:41

the table and say little sins before you know it.

45:43

You don't even know you started to say this shit

45:45

too. Yeah, like my uncle sat

45:47

down, shit. They sat down at the

45:49

domino table. I'm at the table, I'm

45:51

winning, I'm talking shit. He sat down, he like, boy, I'm

45:54

about to be on your ass and

45:56

I'm like, I'm on that one. I

45:58

like that one, I like that one. to

46:00

roller-dex. You see? Well,

46:03

my question I gotta ask you is when you first

46:05

got to the league, who was the first person to

46:07

bust your ass? Hey, who?

46:10

How? When? Let's

46:12

hit us. Oh, shit. So, I

46:14

didn't get minutes. No, you talking about their

46:16

practice or you talking about negating? I'm just

46:18

telling you, when you got to the league,

46:20

who was that first NBA player that bust

46:23

your ass? Whoever come to mind when he

46:25

ask that question, who popping your mind kicking

46:27

your asses? Man, we all been there. Is

46:29

this bitch-ass nigga right here? It is

46:31

him. It is him. So, look,

46:34

I'm just getting into the rotation.

46:36

I'm just getting in rotation. Me

46:39

and Ticca start bumping heads from day one.

46:42

We get to Minnesota. Man,

46:44

Ticca give me that work. He talking

46:46

big shit. He got the boys on

46:48

the sideline. They talking big shit. We

46:50

down there about to go to blows

46:53

to the point that

46:55

people don't realize the

46:57

first three weeks that he got to the

46:59

Celtics, man, me and this nigga

47:02

didn't even talk. The

47:04

first time we had a real conversation

47:06

was after our first training, after our

47:09

first preseason game in Italy, when me

47:11

and him, we went on the floor

47:13

dog and we took it as a

47:15

regular season game because we going against

47:17

Chris Bosh and Bayani at

47:19

the time with the Raptors and

47:22

we boned them people. We boned. I

47:25

came out of there with like 12-8-3. Ticca

47:27

had him a double double talking shit and

47:29

it was right there like, shit,

47:31

this my dog. But

47:33

from that point, he even had

47:35

to XP. He asked Paul, hey,

47:38

man, what's up with Perk, bro? I don't want no

47:40

shit when I get there with him. I don't know

47:42

what the timeout. This is like the second or third

47:45

version of this out of her part. Like

47:47

Tic, did the young fellas

47:49

have to get your blessing before they had

47:51

to earn your blessing because Big Baby told

47:53

her something similar to this. Hey, motherfucker ain't

47:55

talking to him and today earn a key.

47:57

Did you feel that way? What's

48:00

your take on it? What if they had to

48:02

show you before they really gone into respect? So

48:05

let's back up. We're going to rewind.

48:08

Rewind that shit. So when I used to go to

48:10

Boston, dawg, anytime I went into a place that had

48:12

banners, Chicago, LA, you

48:16

know, Boston, Philly, the

48:18

banners, dawg, the banners to me used

48:20

to always signify the history, right? So

48:23

when I used to go to Boston playing against

48:26

Twon, you know exactly what I'm talking about, right?

48:29

When I was coming in there, they had Twon, Rave the

48:31

Friends, they got Battee, they got these youngsters. So I went

48:33

through a, I went through about three, four years of that.

48:36

Then come this young generation of purg,

48:39

big owl, you know what I'm saying? And

48:42

it was Gerald Green and they barking. TA,

48:47

these young boys just barking. So I

48:50

understand that I wasn't tripping, but I'm in

48:52

Boston and the only thing I'm focused on

48:54

is the banners. So I'm playing crazy. I

48:57

don't know, I'm yelling up, but these niggas

48:59

are taking this so personal. So when we

49:02

come back around, he up next.

49:04

Ain't no Rave the Friends, ain't no Battee here. It's

49:06

him and big owl. So they was on

49:08

they, hey, let's go at this old head. I'm

49:11

only like 25, 27 though, so I'm still,

49:13

you know, whatever, right? And

49:17

they trying to mark their mark, bro. So I get it,

49:19

but nah. It's the way

49:21

this is going to go, you know? And

49:25

you know, it's kill to be killed. So

49:27

whenever we played, we never got an

49:29

understanding. So it was just always what

49:31

it was. So when I came to

49:33

Boston, I was like, every time I played

49:36

this guy is something. Every time I played dude is something.

49:38

I get it. All right,

49:40

cool. He from high school. I don't know if he, you know,

49:42

trying to, you know what I'm trying to say. I played D

49:44

Miles the same shit. You know what I'm saying? So I get

49:46

it. It was just

49:49

consistently, yo. I think after me and D

49:51

Miles first four or five times playing, I

49:53

think it got, it got mellowed out and

49:55

we was cool, right? I think you even

49:57

moved around or something, right? But

50:00

Perk, it was always like, nah, I want my respect from

50:02

this mug right here. And I was like, nah, ain't the

50:04

way that go. So we ain't

50:06

never got an understanding. So when I got the bean, the first

50:08

thing I said, man, what's up with the young boy? Is

50:11

he cool? Because it really becoming all surreal. Like,

50:13

I'm like, he this girl or something, or he

50:15

got something personal on me or something. Like,

50:18

nah, he just at you. He

50:20

fuck with you. He love you. He want to

50:22

be like you. But he at you. So I

50:25

was like, OK, cool. So once I got that

50:27

understanding, I wanted to test his

50:29

temperature. So I let a whole month go

50:31

by just to see how he

50:33

rock. You know what I'm saying? And then when

50:35

it was time to lock in, I knew like,

50:37

OK, we're going to be out here. I see

50:39

how they tips is putting us in responsibility for

50:41

the defense. Him and I got an anchor in

50:43

the middle. Let me get on the same page.

50:45

Come here. Let me holler at you. And it

50:47

was right after we had dust these niggas in

50:49

Toronto and Italy. And I saw how

50:51

he worked. And I saw how he grinded. And I watched

50:53

after practice. And it was only like three

50:55

or four guys in the gym after we get done. Y'all

50:58

know how the gym go. When practice over, everybody out there

51:00

know. So I saw him put his work

51:02

in. So I was like, OK, I respect his work. I see

51:04

what he doing. See if he being here tomorrow. OK,

51:06

I see. And it was him and baby. And

51:09

then Leon starts seeing him and baby start.

51:11

So then Leon start. And next thing you

51:13

know, dawg, we had this camaraderie with the

51:16

bigs. And every day when you

51:18

heard about the G-Uni runs, when you heard about the

51:20

cage, that was us making each other

51:22

better. And we look forward to that every day.

51:24

And that's why we brothers to this day. It's

51:26

in voutou over everything. But we had to go

51:28

through that part. Tell me this.

51:32

How was it for you getting to be

51:35

Paul's teammate? Because everybody know he's a

51:37

different type of dude. Let's hear this.

51:39

P-University, as we call it. So how

51:41

was it like getting to know who

51:43

Paul Pierce was and being a teammate

51:46

of Paul Pierce? When

51:48

did you get his respect? It

51:51

was about maybe 15

51:54

games in my rookie season.

51:57

And I wasn't playing. So in

52:00

that. draft class, it was Marcus

52:03

Banks. And we

52:05

know Marcus Banks, man. Marcus Banks came

52:07

in on that, I'm

52:09

him Hollywood type shit, you know what

52:11

I'm saying? Like when he

52:13

walk, he wanna watch himself walk type

52:15

swag. So he got the jewels, and

52:19

we had Big Swole, B

52:22

Hunt, Brandon Hunter. Lord Rest

52:24

In Soul, yeah man. And B Hunt, you know

52:26

he's 290, 3%

52:30

body fat, and so they

52:32

kinda was on the, we ain't

52:34

on that rookie shit, you know

52:36

what I'm saying? We ain't on those rookie

52:39

duties. So you know how

52:41

Paul lives. We had that one

52:43

night, you know what I'm saying?

52:45

That club shiz, Nick. And

52:47

he come in, club shiz, Nick still

52:49

on pee a little bit. So take

52:52

you know what I'm saying, that club shiz, Nick,

52:54

and it's still on pee. That

52:56

means he still gonna be wild in that practice.

52:58

So whatever we just saw him doing at four

53:00

in the morning, we about to see him doing

53:02

that 12 the next day,

53:04

after practice. So he just

53:07

come in on one. He like, I

53:11

need to see who wanna be here. So

53:13

we like, shit, it's all good, what's up? So

53:16

it's like, I'm talking about the snow up

53:18

to here outside. He like, he throw

53:20

$1,500 on the ground. I

53:23

got 1,500 right now. Any

53:25

one of you motherfuckers, you, you, you,

53:28

one of you three motherfuckers, go outside

53:30

right now, in your tights,

53:32

and give me 100 push-ups in the snow.

53:35

You know, Marcus, he like, shit, I win

53:38

lottery. I don't need the 1,500, you know

53:40

what I'm saying? B Hunt went second round.

53:42

He ain't really feeling that shit. I'm like,

53:45

shit. I don't got me fucked

53:47

up. I do it, I do it.

53:49

So I go outside in the snow

53:51

in my tights, and I got 100.

53:54

He give me the 15, I walk in, he

53:56

like, that's what the

53:58

fuck I'm talking about. He wanna

54:00

be here and ever since then, it

54:02

was like young fella, come to

54:04

Creel, we playin' dominoes, young fella, let's go

54:06

here. Like, ever since that point, it was

54:09

like, if Pete went in the gym late

54:11

night, he was hittin' me up. And right

54:13

then, it was just like, shit, Pete

54:15

my dog and you had to

54:17

learn Pete. Like, Pete gon' give

54:19

us them classic Pete moments, dog,

54:21

like, and I tell people that

54:23

that's just Pete. Fox,

54:26

that's fine. You got any questions from

54:28

Perk? Nah,

54:30

man, talk about the transition of

54:32

coming out from being a player

54:34

going into TV. Talk

54:36

about that transition and what that

54:38

was like for you, man. Hit his motherfucker,

54:41

though. You know every time I see

54:43

this motherfucker, he be like, oh,

54:45

man, hit his corpet nigga, go right here

54:47

on corporate ass. I'm not starting the process,

54:50

you know what I'm saying? I'm starting the

54:52

process, you know what I'm saying? Listen, that's

54:54

a big up to you, my brother. But

54:56

I want shit, because I watched where you

54:58

started from. That's a congratulations. Thank you, bro.

55:00

And Lord, let me say something, bro. We

55:03

say shit like that, it ain't a disrespect.

55:05

You killed us with real shit. This is

55:07

salute, because show motherfucker come from where you

55:09

came from straight out of high school. You

55:11

ain't got no college experience, no none of

55:13

that. And then we see you, your country

55:16

ass up on motherfucker. ESPN shutting it down.

55:18

Jerry Young, moving this shoulder, that shoulder, this

55:21

shoulder. So where you got to be a constant

55:23

of that bitch, because you doing numbers and you

55:25

killing it. So that's a

55:27

respect. No, no, no, no. But I

55:29

know the big homie got to give me,

55:31

you know what I'm saying? Go give me

55:33

a hard time. Me and you didn't talk,

55:35

all blind. Like, look. And I just said,

55:37

hey, bro, salute. Like, you up there moving

55:39

and shaking, doing your thing. And

55:41

we know, us, all of us, it

55:44

ain't easy. It ain't easy to get up

55:46

on no damn debate show, and they put

55:48

you against somebody, and you only could say

55:50

something bad about somebody to make yourself look

55:52

good. And we know that ain't what

55:54

it is, but you just, you living in this space

55:56

you in. You doing what you got to do. And

55:59

everybody know. like, bro, this is why I say to

56:01

all of us, ticket

56:03

Hall of Fame up here. As

56:07

big as it gets in our industry, in our

56:09

game. And he too. This

56:11

is what lets me know that all of us the same at the

56:13

end of the day. When he retired,

56:17

what you had to do, bro, when you came

56:19

to this game, you don't get to bring your

56:21

Hall of Fame ring and your yellow jacket and

56:23

all those credit burs. They tell you to bring

56:25

your, we the only industry where they tell you,

56:28

go pro, become the best, be the

56:31

Hall of Fame man. Then when you get

56:33

through, lawyers, judges, they do that

56:35

shit to the end of the time.

56:37

Doctors, they die a doctor. Top of

56:39

the game getting top dollar. We gotta

56:42

go pro again. All four

56:44

of us up here had the KG

56:46

certified, he went pro again. You

56:49

on ESPN doing everything you do, building

56:51

the empire you been. You went pro

56:53

again. Us two and Knucklehead,

56:56

we gotta throw all our credentials that we did

56:58

in the NBA out the door. They

57:00

tell you don't come through trying to be

57:02

some arrogant athlete, humble yourself,

57:04

learn, be willing to listen, and

57:07

you gotta, we all did that,

57:09

bro. Athletes are the only

57:11

industry they ask to do that. So

57:14

for all of us to be up here like you, more

57:16

so than us, because we on, he

57:19

got his own shit, we got our own shit. You

57:21

on a network, bro. And it's harder

57:23

for you to do what you do, even though you

57:25

make it look as easy as it is. It's

57:28

way more parameters you gotta deal with, and it's

57:30

less easy to go pro again. So

57:33

it's a big salute to you being

57:35

in the space. You on ESPN every

57:37

day, five days a week, weekends, you

57:39

on the playoffs and all that, you

57:42

prime time. You put in

57:44

a position where, bitch, they could disturb your piece,

57:47

because you just telling the truth about what happened

57:49

in the game. Man, to be

57:51

honest, it

57:53

happened by accident. Because

57:55

I never thought that

57:58

I would be up on television. and

58:00

talking the game or talking about the

58:02

game or what I see, especially a

58:04

country boy, right? I'm up here, I'm

58:06

speaking with broken English. You

58:08

sitting around all these basketball

58:11

insiders, these journalists,

58:13

and it's almost like for

58:16

the first two years, I

58:18

had to earn the respect of them and

58:21

I had to earn the respect of the

58:23

fans, right? Because at first it's like, now

58:25

why this motherfucker on TV? Sometimes

58:27

motherfucker, I don't even understand what he's saying,

58:30

motherfucker, you understand? Nah,

58:32

and so when I

58:34

think about it, my first year and a half,

58:36

I did that shit for free. Like,

58:38

I didn't get paid to die, man. It was just

58:40

like I did it for free and

58:43

I had so many regrets as a

58:45

player, right? In the

58:47

summertime, not being in the lab

58:50

enough, towards

58:52

the end of my career, when Troy Weaver

58:54

and Sam Preston was telling me, stay

58:57

in Oklahoma, work out with Nick, start

58:59

to shoot the corner three perking, you can

59:01

add three more years to your game, and

59:03

I was just like, nah, I'm going back

59:05

to the crib, going back to

59:08

Texas and do Texas things, whether that

59:10

was blowing that loud, sipping

59:12

that drink, doing whatever I wanted to do

59:14

on some real shit. And so when

59:17

I got into this space, I was like, you

59:19

know what, fuck it, no more regrets. I'm gonna

59:21

go all the way in with this shit. And

59:24

so every single time they call, they

59:27

could call me, it was a time where I

59:30

landed from New York at 10 o'clock at night

59:32

in Houston, I got a phone call, they was like,

59:34

hey, we need you in LA by nine o'clock in

59:36

the morning. I had to get on the flight like

59:38

five o'clock in the morning and jump right back on,

59:40

but I just don't wanna

59:43

leave any regrets behind, I wanna

59:45

maximize, I wanna make this

59:47

better than my last stop,

59:49

right? That's why I always tell people, I

59:51

close that shit. I close that

59:54

basketball chapter of my life and

59:56

I don't even care if I come over here, it's me

59:58

and then they put. You know,

1:00:00

I just want them to put Kendrick

1:00:03

Perkins NBA analyst fuck the 2008 champion

1:00:05

fuck the 14 years fuck

1:00:07

the mag like this is who I am

1:00:09

right now and I'm maximizing

1:00:11

that shit because You

1:00:13

know like man you you really have to start

1:00:15

from the bottom You know the motherfuckers

1:00:17

treat you like you're at the bottom And

1:00:20

and you got to earn the respect of

1:00:22

the network earn the respect of the fan

1:00:24

base So it's been good and

1:00:26

you got to go in there speak the real

1:00:28

like It hurts

1:00:31

sometimes because I Didn't

1:00:33

fucked off some relationships right

1:00:35

like motherfuckers I was real

1:00:37

close with like we didn't got

1:00:40

into heated arguments where shit I ain't talked

1:00:42

to KD in like two years What

1:00:45

ticket is to me is what I was

1:00:47

to Katie. I got to Oklahoma. I was

1:00:49

the big homie like you know I'm saying

1:00:52

Introducing them to certain shit like nigga

1:00:54

this life nigga enjoyed But you go

1:00:56

still put in a punch in the

1:00:58

clock So it's like but I

1:01:00

got to do my job because them people

1:01:02

ain't trying to hear as a Hall

1:01:04

of Famer You know I'm

1:01:06

saying ticket you if you

1:01:09

want to go back in that space

1:01:11

Shaq Barkley You

1:01:13

know Hall of Famers they get a little

1:01:16

bit more leeway to play the player side

1:01:18

of things I don't I Don't

1:01:20

get that leeway right like it'll be

1:01:24

I mean, that's a testament to your work,

1:01:26

bro like I always

1:01:29

like You didn't hit been

1:01:31

here a million times and said it like

1:01:33

me and black what nobody's all stars We

1:01:35

get no jerseys retired and nobody's

1:01:37

building But that just shows you

1:01:40

that you don't have to be there to

1:01:42

actually be able to Contribute to this space

1:01:44

and to be able to have a say

1:01:47

so I have a knowledge about it you

1:01:49

another walking piece of evidence Neither

1:01:51

one of y'all went to college neither one

1:01:53

of y'all did this today y'all ain't everybody's

1:01:55

favorite player Whatever of course y'all got y'all

1:01:58

fans and people who fuck with y'all I

1:02:00

love y'all, but like, we ain't the

1:02:02

people's choice. We ain't the favors, but that

1:02:04

don't matter. If you do your thing and

1:02:06

you come in and you talk and you

1:02:08

say what's real and be authentic, there's

1:02:10

somebody who's talking like you. You from

1:02:13

Beaumont, Texas. Bro, it's a whole country,

1:02:15

Southern, you know what I'm saying? Worlds

1:02:17

out there that relate and hear and

1:02:19

talk just like you. So that's what

1:02:21

I love about what you've been able

1:02:23

to do, what all of us

1:02:25

have been able to do. Whatever our demographic is,

1:02:28

whoever we relate to, we've been able to use

1:02:30

our real, authentic, true self and our voice

1:02:32

and be us and connect. But that's why

1:02:34

I want to give y'all flowers because

1:02:39

y'all was the first ones to really

1:02:41

lay this foundation for everybody. And

1:02:44

then niggas follow. Y'all started this trend

1:02:46

on some real niggas. And

1:02:48

then I get so much, so

1:02:51

many people always asking me about this

1:02:53

motherfucker. Like, because they watch him. It

1:02:55

just is what it is. But

1:02:58

the thing is, they watching them,

1:03:00

right? They know the KG that they seen

1:03:02

on the floor. Now they

1:03:04

seeing a different side of KG in

1:03:07

the media and on KG certified. And they

1:03:09

like, man, I would love to

1:03:11

kick it with this nigga for a day. And

1:03:13

I'm like, y'all just seeing what I've been seeing

1:03:16

for my whole time. I was a teammate behind

1:03:18

the scenes, you know what I'm saying? So at

1:03:20

the end of the day, man, we got

1:03:22

to keep laying the foundation, not just for

1:03:25

the guys that's coming about to lead, but

1:03:27

even these young boys that's coming out of

1:03:29

college. Because I tell my oldest son

1:03:31

all the time, like, I

1:03:33

don't know if he's going to be a hooper,

1:03:35

right? You could tell, like, he's hooping, but I

1:03:37

don't know if he's going to be that. Because

1:03:40

you could tell, like, at that age of 15,

1:03:42

either you got it in you or

1:03:44

don't. So I'm telling him, I'm like,

1:03:46

look, bro, it's other areas. You got

1:03:49

three more years of high school. It's

1:03:51

other areas you could tap into right

1:03:53

now and go make you a

1:03:55

nice ass living. Like, you know what I'm saying?

1:03:57

So that's what it is. I got

1:03:59

to go. I got one more question to ask you before you

1:04:01

get out of here. You had a

1:04:03

lot of teammates over your NBA career. If

1:04:06

you had to pick four other teammates

1:04:09

to make you an all-time starting five

1:04:11

of your career, who

1:04:13

would be them other four teammates? I

1:04:15

already did that shit. I did that

1:04:17

shit yesterday. Good question. Look, I called

1:04:19

myself a male groupie, y'all. I played

1:04:21

with 13 Hall of

1:04:23

Famers. Yeah. 13 of them.

1:04:27

13 of them. Who would be that forward,

1:04:29

sir? So look, I'm going to take myself out

1:04:31

of it and give you my five. No, we

1:04:33

need you in it. No, no, no, no, no.

1:04:35

No, we need you in it because we put

1:04:37

a pole together with everybody who picked their men.

1:04:39

You got to be in five. So

1:04:41

you got to be in it so you only can pick four.

1:04:43

So you the five. Give me the four through one. Man,

1:04:47

shit. I'm

1:04:49

going with my dog off the

1:04:51

muscle. Take it at the phone. I'm

1:04:54

going with my dog. Listen, man, Cedric

1:04:56

Cornbread Maxwell say this motherfucker was the

1:04:58

best all-around player they ever

1:05:00

put on the Celtic uniform. I

1:05:03

ain't leaving off my list. Wish I was

1:05:05

young enough to receive it. Hey, so and

1:05:08

I'm going with P, dog. I got

1:05:10

to go with truth. And it's not me. I

1:05:13

didn't expect nothing of that. Hall and

1:05:15

Teddy. But you know why? Truth at

1:05:17

the three or he at the two? Truth at

1:05:19

the three. Here's why I'm

1:05:21

going with truth. The

1:05:23

reason being is Paul

1:05:26

arguably had one of the greatest

1:05:30

individual runs in playoff history.

1:05:33

This motherfucker had to go head to head with

1:05:36

Joe Johnson. Braun.

1:05:40

OK, we matched up with the Pistons with

1:05:42

Chauncey and Rip and Tayshaun and all that.

1:05:45

But then to top it off to go head to head

1:05:47

with Cole. And

1:05:49

win the MVP? Yeah. Like

1:05:52

P was that nigga. Niggas be sleeping when

1:05:54

P say certain shit. But then they forget

1:05:56

like, P, you got the game fucked up

1:05:58

with Paul. So. I hate how they hate

1:06:01

on Pete, man. They're still back with

1:06:03

things. Listen, I got a level of respect for Paul. He got

1:06:05

a level of respect for me. We

1:06:07

wanted to ask you every time. Take it

1:06:09

no. I know too. No bullshit being poor,

1:06:12

so I got respect for him. But

1:06:14

he know. When he saw me, he

1:06:16

had to bring the same shit. The next two,

1:06:18

the next two, I want to

1:06:20

put Do in that conversation. I want to put

1:06:22

Ron Do at the one, but I can't. I

1:06:25

got to roll with, I got to

1:06:27

roll with KD and I got to roll

1:06:29

with Bron. If that's it, that's what it

1:06:31

is. Russ, KD, True.

1:06:34

No, no, no. Bron,

1:06:36

KD, Paul, KG and

1:06:38

myself. He put Ron at the one. He

1:06:41

was an honest person saying, Ron is our

1:06:43

point guard. Like most people don't like to

1:06:45

say he kept it a being. I ain't

1:06:47

got it. Not look. That's crazy. If you

1:06:50

asking me if I need to start in

1:06:52

five foot game seven who I'm picking. No,

1:06:54

no, you just gave it. You just gave

1:06:56

it. I didn't get it. I told you

1:06:59

that. You gave it five. I like that.

1:07:01

I like Bron. He's a hard five. Bron,

1:07:03

KD, True, KG. That's

1:07:06

the tough ass vibe. I got everything I need.

1:07:09

Hey, listen. That's dangerous right

1:07:11

there. Listen, we respect that

1:07:13

man, but hey, everybody here,

1:07:15

I appreciate y'all. Y'all give

1:07:17

it up for the Knuckleheads,

1:07:19

Q Ridge, D Miles, KG

1:07:21

certified, John Wall

1:07:23

and the Point Guard podcast.

1:07:26

And of course, our illustrious

1:07:28

ESPN analyst up here, Mr.

1:07:30

Perk, big dog Kendrick

1:07:32

Perkins, man. We appreciate everybody coming

1:07:35

out. Shout out rebrand. Shout out

1:07:37

the Players Tribune. CB,

1:07:39

you here? Boy, we appreciate

1:07:41

you CB. This was big

1:07:43

and bad. Shout

1:07:45

to Espresso in the house. Good looks

1:07:47

from that ice coffee. I had milk

1:07:49

cut. What a jack

1:07:51

damn shot at. What a what? What

1:07:53

a what? That jack damn shot. The

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