This is part 2 of my conversation with my wife, Carmen, and two of her sisters. We talk about how to leave the community you're family has been part of for 150 years, we talk about what it's like to support someone during a panic attack, and, for me, the most moving part of the conversation comes about halfway through when we talk with one sister and Carmen about how you actually heal a relationship after years of hardly speaking. This episode is about how to heal when you lose your community and how to rebuild a relationship that hit rock bottom.

Carmen Riot Smith

Kelsey Klopfenstein

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Host:

 Elise Smith