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Graf in the building. Yeah! Ha

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ha ha ha ha ha. Now

3:28

Graf, I heard you say somewhere that

3:30

you brung Fendi back. Well,

3:34

the print. The print. The F print, because

3:36

this is the part that's crazy, right? OK. Because

3:39

I'm bringing Dura-Axe back. I feel like I'm going

3:41

to Dura-Axe back. I see you. I know, Bleep,

3:43

you been trying to claim that. I see you.

3:45

Dura-Axe, you been Dura-Axe. I'm bringing Dura-Axe back. I'm

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bringing Dura-Axe back. I'm bringing Dura-Axe back. It's my

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opinion. It's my opinion. You know what I'm saying?

3:51

Well, go ahead. Go ahead. No, because a lot

3:53

of the big brands that they be having, sometimes

3:55

they go through phases where in my opinion, they

3:58

be having like whack design is the shit. I

4:00

don't know who would design a Fendi for a couple of years, but

4:02

they wasn't making the F prints. Okay, yes. But I was always

4:04

a fan of that. Okay. And I'm also a

4:06

fan of vintage shit. I'd be like, oh my, 90s, 2000s, looking

4:09

for certain type of pieces. So there was a

4:11

period between 2015 to 2017, where

4:16

I was literally just scouring the fucking world, looking for

4:18

different vintage Fendi pieces all over the place. I guess

4:20

somebody has to and I'm off of them money. Like,

4:22

yo, can I buy that off of you? And I'm

4:24

buying these pieces because they were not selling the Zooka.

4:26

It's called a Zooka. They were not selling the shit

4:28

in the store. You could not go nowhere and buy

4:30

the shit in the store. So I'm finding pieces all

4:32

over the world and I'm wearing it, wearing it, wearing

4:34

it for like a year or two straight to the

4:36

point where I started to buzz just, oh, Mr. Fendi

4:38

man, all this shit like that. They was, people

4:41

was referring to me as I'm wearing this shit all the

4:43

time. So when I see other stars wearing

4:45

it, I actually, I think I forced Fendi to

4:47

make the motherfucker again. Cause I was tagging them

4:49

all the time. I know I'm ghetto, but can

4:51

I be like a, a bottle of sight for

4:53

the hood? But I can dress nigga. So I

4:56

was just rocking the shit. And plus I was

4:58

wearing it cause I knew nobody else could ever

5:00

wear it cause it wasn't for sale. And now

5:02

you said you was targeting vintage. Yeah.

5:05

A lot of pieces because there wasn't vintage cause they wasn't, you

5:07

could not go in the store and buy the shit. They was

5:09

making shit with the eyes, no kind of ugly shit that niggas

5:11

wasn't buying. I wasn't jacking under that shit. That

5:14

shit was trash. The eye Fendi was trash. Years

5:16

of trash. That was bad. I ain't gonna lie,

5:18

the eyes was bad. So then, but during that

5:20

time, you couldn't go in no store and buy

5:23

the Fendi print. So I

5:25

was rocking it, the print, like two years straight, but

5:27

buying it all over the place. LA,

5:29

I found a little vintage spot. So it

5:32

was like, who the fuck else brought it back? It

5:34

wasn't me. Y'all could not buy it to wear it.

5:36

You know what I'm saying? But I'm tagging them every

5:38

day. And things like different sites that were like dedicated

5:40

to the moment for any I'm tagging and shit. Like,

5:43

yo, pick me, pick me. I'm the only nigga that

5:45

shit. So. Did they hit you up?

5:47

Nah, he's hood. Fuck him. Why?

5:50

They didn't hit you up. They didn't hit you up. They don't

5:52

got too much money. That's all it is. That's a big fact.

5:54

But they gon, if I was mainstream, Bernard Arnaud, his 54 under

5:56

that. I

5:58

believe so. No, not

6:00

under that. That was 54 under that? I

6:03

think so. LVMH? No.

6:05

Huh? I believe so. I

6:08

can't think. I mean, we got people who work here, right?

6:10

Jesus. Has is just looking at us. Like,

6:12

what the fuck are you... Has is

6:14

just going to the head for you, but you should be going

6:16

to the head for Jesus. You should go

6:18

to the head for Jesus. You should go to the head for Jesus too.

6:21

What else? What do you do? It is?

6:24

It is? Oh, okay. Long story

6:26

short, there'll be no check for me, sir. Okay.

6:29

I'm not going to do it for the credit. I just like to do shit. Okay.

6:32

Did we ask him what he's drinking? No, no.

6:34

He's drinking Duce. Duce. We

6:36

don't drink. We don't... We don't have to say it.

6:38

What did she say? I thought we was crazy. I

6:40

thought we established this too. I didn't mean to go.

6:42

Because I see you. I ain't going to lie. I

6:44

see you on Mad Poppin' Show. I

6:47

refilled it though. I didn't mean to. I refilled

6:49

it. I refilled it. I refilled

6:51

it. I refilled it. I refilled it.

6:53

I refilled it. I refilled it.

6:55

I refilled it though. I refilled it.

6:57

I refilled it. I refilled it. I

6:59

refilled it. I refilled it.

7:02

It's the stupid ones. We failed. I refilled

7:04

it a few times. Okay. I

7:06

refilled it a few times. I refilled it.

7:08

I refilled it. Okay. So me

7:10

and you ain't get the memo. What's the memo? To wear

7:12

holes in our shirt today. You can chill. I

7:14

didn't even... You're

7:17

my chief, girl. You're my chief? You helped us

7:19

out? You can tease me. Good to right. You

7:21

helped us out. You helped us out. You helped

7:24

us out. I'm like cooking with different cloths. You

7:26

helped us out. You helped us out. You

7:29

already got to fill the beans with it.

7:31

Yeah. I'm getting a little out. That's your

7:33

own clothing line, right? Oh,

7:35

yeah. Yeah. Dope NYC. This

7:38

is my shit. Okay. And you got

7:40

two different versions of it, right? Because I heard you got

7:42

one like an athletic version and you got like an upper

7:44

scale. I mix them both together. Oh, okay. I

7:47

put like high-end street wear with a sports wear all the

7:49

time. I don't even mix this shit with whatever. I don't

7:51

have no rhyme or reason to how I be pushing it

7:53

together. Boom.

7:57

And you went to St. John's University.

8:00

You could really say, I'm Brown Scan.

8:02

I live in Queens. And I love

8:04

Ian Chegg and Colin Mains. I

8:08

said, I went to say, John, did it. What's that? I'm going

8:10

to say that. I fucked up the rhyme. It was

8:12

two different words. It worked out. It worked out. I

8:14

get it. Shout out, DMC. DMC

8:16

went there. J. Cole went

8:18

there. Yeah. Definitely.

8:21

If you went there, we ain't

8:23

claiming you. So how was

8:25

that going to a legendary school? Now,

8:27

that was cool, man. That was really cool.

8:29

Because I was determined to try to get

8:31

out of the hood one way up

8:35

and do it the way my mother wanted me

8:38

to do it. Do it the right way. But then the

8:40

rap, I wasn't like shopping a demo and

8:42

trying to get on. Rap was always a dream for me. I

8:44

was battle rapping and killing niggas

8:47

on barber shops and all that

8:49

shit. This was before Smack had the big stages. So

8:51

I was doing that shit. And then Busta Rhymes called

8:53

Wind of It. And he actually somehow. Called

8:55

your bombs, right? No, he called my bombs and I got

8:57

to him. He sent

9:00

somebody to my school, some type of way

9:02

to contact me. I thought it was fake.

9:04

I'm like, what? Because I was going to

9:06

school. I got a damn damn my third year. This is DZ Busta?

9:09

Yo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a word. This

9:11

is DZ Busta. This is DZ Busta. This is DZ Busta.

9:13

This is DZ Busta. This is like Superstar.

9:16

This is DZ Busta. OK, OK, OK. So

9:19

that's a dress, Busta. This is not here, the

9:21

dress. Yeah, the dress. OK, OK, OK. That's what

9:23

I'm saying. You want to give it to Alex. You

9:25

see that? I don't know. I don't know. Go ahead.

9:27

So I left school after that. I tried to balance

9:29

both, but I was like, nah, I got an opportunity

9:32

to do this music for real. I was like, fuck

9:34

it. And I started trying to take rap series after

9:36

that. I wasn't really serious, but it was still like

9:38

a dream. I wasn't like shopping the demos, doing it

9:40

this traditional way. So that shit

9:43

worked out. No, but that shit is ill.

9:45

When you know your story and that you

9:47

were studying to be a doctor. I

9:50

didn't know what kind of doctor. I was going

9:52

with physical sciences, figuring out what I was going to do. You

9:55

know, most kids in school, they don't know what the fuck they want to

9:57

be. You go to school, because their parents, they go to school. I

9:59

am a go to school. and figure it out while I'm going. And

10:02

I said, I'm sure if I'm a doctor, momma gonna be proud

10:04

of that. So let me try that. You know what's crazy? I

10:06

was going through your music and

10:08

I was like, you know, what makes

10:11

you so dope is probably why,

10:13

like everyone don't catch on

10:15

because you're like, you're like smart,

10:17

smart. Like, you know what

10:20

I'm saying? Like I'm

10:22

a rapper. I was definitely the first smart. He's

10:24

like, when you listen to his music, he's like, damn, what

10:26

the fuck did he just say? You gotta listen to it

10:28

a couple of times. And I'm like, if I'm a rapper

10:31

that rapped my whole life, damn,

10:34

man, and that's just going over my head,

10:37

what is the average person who's, you

10:39

know what I'm saying? No, I take that

10:41

as a compliment because a lot of people do miss this shit I

10:44

be trying to say. And there was a period in my career, I

10:46

was like, should I dumb it down? And I'm like, not fucking. You

10:48

did dumb it down a little bit. A little bit, I was tired

10:50

of getting misunderstood. That's not fucking fun. That

10:52

shit sucks. Niggas ain't getting

10:54

it. So I tried that, but then I was like,

10:56

nah, fuck it. Whoever get it, get it. Now I just do what I do. You

10:59

get it, you get it. If you don't, you don't get it. That's fucking

11:01

cool. You ever get it? That's how I

11:03

was working out my career now. I'm getting money off

11:05

my old shit now. And that's the best way too.

11:07

When you be listening to a record when you're older,

11:09

you be like, oh shit, this what he meant? And

11:12

you really, you go back to the record. That's

11:14

happening now in my career. A lot of my

11:16

old shit, the old catalog, old music, it's popping

11:18

up now as niggas favorites. And some of these

11:20

young niggas brand new, I'm like, yeah, it just

11:23

came out yesterday. Download it, buy all of it.

11:25

You got a vast catalog too. You

11:28

got something going at it. Nah, I ain't gonna lie.

11:31

You ever thought that was a crush that so

11:33

much of, you know, you're

11:35

so dope as a lyricist. And

11:38

like you said, you say he dumbed it down. I didn't remember.

11:40

Yeah, I mean, I'm- Not really, but there was a time when

11:42

I made it simple. I tried to make a simple life. Me

11:44

and DJ played a lot of his music. I noticed a time

11:47

where he dumbed it down a little bit. I was like, I

11:49

was trying to make it simple. Like me, if I'm rapping a

11:51

little slow, all these kinds of beats, y'all would get it. After

11:53

a while I was like, I ain't like them records I was

11:55

making. I was like, fuck this shit. I just do what I

11:57

do and whoever get it, get it, whoever don't dope. All right.

12:00

Plus I'm experimental, I'm just trying shit. You know what I'm

12:02

saying? All right. Did you say you wrote for LL? Nah,

12:04

hell no. Nah. Where you

12:07

got that from? He said it. You

12:09

said it. They don't like to take the tattoo off,

12:11

hell no. Nah. He would have said, yeah, he had

12:13

to go get the tattoo. Nah, hell no. Somebody else,

12:15

that shit came up another couple of months. I said,

12:17

you said it. I did a podcast and well,

12:20

somebody asked me, I'm like, who is starting

12:22

this shit, damn? Nah. What did you write

12:24

the hook for? J-Lo or something? Oh, nah,

12:26

that song. Okay, okay. That, um, does LL

12:28

and J-Lo song, me and another

12:30

writer in my studio, the studio on the

12:32

Chashill, Black Hand Studio, we wrote

12:34

the whole song in the studio. We have recorded it

12:36

back and forth. Like I can't sing, but I'm making

12:38

a reference. So we wrote the whole R&B part of

12:40

the record. Yeah, J-Lo,

12:42

when she's singing, me and another writer wrote the whole

12:45

song. Oh, but J-Lo wasn't dead. I

12:47

wish he was. Oh, God. I've done the way

12:49

you said it. Me and another writer. You two wanted the other

12:51

artist, okay. Yeah, me and the other writer. We wrote the whole

12:53

record. Not that I was part, Ella. I was actually rapping on

12:55

the record at first. I was signing a Sony back then. And

12:58

when they took me off for LL-O, and I was so

13:00

tight as an artist, I forgot I wrote the rest of

13:02

the motherfucker song. I wasn't even fighting for my rights. I'm

13:04

like, damn, why I took me off? I didn't sign me for what?

13:06

So I was mad LL was on there at first. I was like, I

13:09

wanted to be on this shit. I wrote the motherfucker. But,

13:11

um, nah, I'm actually fighting for my rights to that

13:13

record now. I ain't even getting no credit for that.

13:15

For the LL, J-Lo record? Yeah, but I know LL,

13:18

slander, no. Big queens in the silver. Of course, of

13:20

course. And just in case you know that, that sounds

13:22

stressful, you know. Just in case you know, this is

13:24

a- Shout out to- This is the

13:26

stress and stress. This is the stress. I

13:28

know. There's so many tries. Yeah, you can get

13:31

it. So many bad ways to get stressed, that's

13:33

all. They trying to rebrand it. That's it. That

13:35

is not stressful. See? That's not it. This is

13:37

actually more stressful. Yeah, that's more stressful. This is

13:39

definitely more stressful. No, no, no. You gotta do

13:41

it for the Ru-Wile. Yeah. Shout out to the

13:44

homie, DJ Nelson. Shout out to the homie, DJ

13:46

Nelson. Spots are now DJ Nelson. Shout out to

13:48

DJ Nelson, man. Wow. You got to do it

13:50

for the Ru-Wile. That's not the one that

13:52

get it released. So your new single,

13:54

which is crazy, score

13:59

Rockafella Ching. Yeah. So

14:01

Rock n' Fella chain. Yeah, I mean. But

14:03

you never got a Rock n' Fella chain.

14:05

Nah, I didn't. They found you out. Yo.

14:07

Nah, you know what happened? Yo,

14:10

chain. Yo,

14:12

chain. I told you not

14:15

to. What happened? Nah, you know, nah, I

14:17

remember I got there. He was there too. I

14:19

just wanted to be on my table. We got

14:21

something. You're the shite. Yo, you shite. I'm the

14:24

shite. I'm the shite. I'm the shite. He

14:26

got a chain. He got a chain. I'm

14:29

about to be in the room like that. He

14:31

was shite officially. I'm about sorry

14:33

we was listening to the record. I was like, damn, slop. You

14:36

had to feel something was going on. You had to be

14:38

like, let me get that real quick. You know what I

14:40

mean? Nah, nah, you know what happened? I got there right

14:43

before Dame Dash and Jay-Z parted

14:46

ways and had their differences. So my deal was

14:48

like right when the ink was drying,

14:50

they fucking fell apart. I didn't get to tour with

14:52

y'all niggas, none of that. As a matter of fact,

14:55

I met all of y'all for the first time when y'all was all in

14:57

London. That's crazy. I think I

14:59

already knew you already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

15:01

I met you in that last month. That shit was

15:03

nuts. It went to a freestyle, right? It went to

15:06

a freestyle. We were talking about that play right. Oh,

15:08

yeah. Oh, yeah. He ain't get all the

15:10

play with us coming down. No. I said, I said,

15:12

I said, I said, I said, I said, I said, He wasn't a star, I left it out. I

15:15

heard about the play right.

15:18

Yeah, exactly. You hit the

15:20

side. It's two legendary raindrops

15:22

I've ever been on in my life. Like,

15:25

does that play well? Like, blink

15:27

and dame dash, like, gloves off

15:30

argument. And everyone act

15:32

like they would sleep on a plane besides me. You

15:35

know what, ever seen a nigga have an argument,

15:37

they're like, yo, right slug? Yeah. You're

15:40

the only one in the head. And I'm like, I'm

15:42

trying to be stone cold. Dame

15:44

like, you right, right, right, Nori? And I'm

15:47

like, Nori know that, why you doing Nori's

15:49

not bad. Like, that's what I'm talking about.

15:51

I'm like, oh, shit. I'm like, wait, wait,

15:53

wait, go. Like, somebody, I need help. I

15:56

need help. Rain, rain, beans, all of us was on

15:58

the pass. Crazy you wasn't. Now I did abstain

16:01

in London longer. That was my first time on

16:03

the period, so me and Chaz, I was at

16:05

Chaz that time? Yeah, we stayed longer. I

16:07

went crazy in London. Let me actually, how

16:10

did that work? Because it was a black

16:12

hand slash Rockefeller deal? Yeah, yeah. Because he

16:14

was still on black hand. After the Sony

16:16

deal, right? After Sony, yeah, then we came

16:18

with y'all at the rock. And it was

16:20

a two black hand. Yeah, me and Chaz

16:22

did everything. It was no me

16:25

without Chaz at that time. I ain't no

16:27

front. Black hand one of the realest labels

16:29

ever. They're realists. They're realists. They'll know the

16:31

history, man. They better do some research. I'm

16:33

gonna talk a little about it. I have

16:35

to. I got to read Chaz right away. I mean,

16:37

while we're here, let's touch on it a little bit.

16:39

But let me get to the Rockefellers to go. Okay,

16:42

yes, please. So when I got there, that was right

16:44

when the Dame

16:46

and Jay was breaking up. Okay. So

16:49

I never got the chance to get the chain or experience none of

16:51

their fucking fruits of being with y'all niggas. I was sad as fuck.

16:53

No private jets. Nah, no private jets. No 40, 40 club. No

16:56

40, 40 club. Sick off, man. No,

16:58

no, no, no. I listened

17:00

to his single. I felt sorry, man. I'm

17:02

sorry for me, too, man. I'm sorry. I'm

17:04

like, what? Now, when he called me to

17:06

do the record, he sent me the verse. He like,

17:08

yo, blink, I want you to jump with this drink.

17:10

He said the verse. I listened to it. I'm like,

17:13

damn. Word. You

17:15

don't say that, boy. Like, damn,

17:17

man. Like, fuck. Yeah,

17:19

I wanted that. I'm like, I

17:22

had blinked over there. Can I go make the

17:24

chain nice? Okay, I'm gonna give you the jewels. Go make

17:26

it now. That's right. You

17:28

didn't even hear that. You heard that. You heard that. Because then

17:30

it was like, oh, you should have been that one. I know.

17:33

I just, I don't know what happened. Okay, what would the

17:35

life been like if you were

17:37

to sign to the rock a year or two

17:39

before the breakup? What do you

17:41

think? I mean, I know it's a hypothetical question, but

17:43

I'm asking you. What would you think? I mean, I

17:46

would have stopped hustling way earlier. Oh, wow. That's a

17:48

big fact. I'd had a whole different life. Like, I'd

17:50

have been towing with y'all niggas and all. I remember

17:52

y'all did the biggest tours. That shit

17:55

was amazing watching that as a fan, just watching like,

17:57

look at this rocker fella shit. Y'all niggas built that,

17:59

them pilot scene. I was on the radio rapping

18:01

for nine hours. No commercial breaks! I wanted to

18:03

be right there, you know what I'm saying? So

18:05

I did all that with y'all niggas. So it'd

18:07

be great. You went to the airport? I wasn't

18:09

there for the world tour, nuh-uh. I wanted

18:12

all that, nigga. You ain't gonna sign the deal.

18:14

You gotta change. Yeah, yeah. Damn,

18:16

T. You got some real

18:18

QU shit. You got some real QU shit. I smell

18:20

what's going on. I said they not cooking

18:22

with the rockers cooking over here. They

18:24

ain't smelling with the rockers cooking.

18:27

The rockers. Literally, it was bad.

18:30

I was mad at the whole situation,

18:32

because remember, Graff, he became my nigga.

18:34

You, you know, you know, Mr. Graff

18:58

was really, really down with the rock. And I was just

19:00

like, what? And I remember, but he broke

19:02

it down. He was like, no, no, no, no, no.

19:05

He was really, really with the rock. And I was

19:07

like, holy shit. So if you would have had, because

19:09

I heard you say, I

19:11

heard somebody say to you that

19:14

you and 50 had the same amount of

19:16

buzz at one point, right? So had

19:19

you would have had that Rockefeller support that

19:21

maybe Bleak had, or Freeway, or Beans, or

19:23

even a Kanye, and a Rihanna, what would

19:25

you think your career would be right now?

19:29

I'd have been out of here. I'd have been out of

19:31

here. As a matter of fact, I came there with Kanye.

19:33

Wow. Me and Kanye came here at the same

19:35

time. That's when I was still, I was actually working with Kanye. He

19:37

told me how to write bars and all that. You know how to

19:39

really count bars. You're doing that to count bars, too. Nah, Kanye. He

19:41

don't even know you're talking about that. I was in his crib making

19:44

records, rapping for 90 million bars. He'd be like, yo, you know 16

19:46

bars way back there. Yeah, y'all know

19:48

I'm warming up, my nigga. Warm

19:50

up. And then when he showed me where to stop

19:52

at, I was like, I had to like count the

19:54

bars in my head. Like, oh, that's 16 bars. Got

19:56

it. He told me how to

19:58

count bars. I don't even fuck with him. to know. But

20:01

nah, but I went there with

20:03

Dame. I mean with Kanye at

20:05

that time. But when the shit broke apart,

20:09

out of loyalty and the way Chaz, rocking

20:12

with Chaz and with his mind thing, the loyal

20:14

thing to do was go with Dame.

20:16

You know what I'm saying? I felt like that

20:18

was the right thing to do. Kanye, even though

20:20

Dame brought me and Kanye to the rock, Kanye

20:22

went with Jay. You know what I'm saying? I

20:25

was better for his career and I don't knock

20:27

him, but I

20:29

just ain't cut like that. I had to go with... Who

20:32

brought you there? Yeah, that's how it is. Because

20:34

when it broke up, it was almost like my

20:36

mom and dad getting a divorce. No, it was

20:38

worse. It was worse. It was worse. It felt

20:40

like that though. You know what I'm saying? Yo

20:42

bro, I was heartbroken. It was almost like the

20:44

magic trick where they snatched the rug and the

20:46

dishes are still standing there like, wow. What are

20:48

you doing? Yeah. We can still

20:51

hear your voice, please. Either of

20:53

y'all remember, Def Jam had a

20:55

chalkboard up and then it would be like DD,

20:58

what was it? Dame Dash Music Group,

21:00

DMG? And then it would be like... I didn't

21:02

see that. Where I could probably... Because you was probably always

21:04

just on the whole side. Yeah. I said, what's

21:06

up with you? I said, what's up with you? I'm

21:08

probably gonna show you that. I'm not gonna shake this

21:11

shit for me. I said... You see, directly, like every

21:13

day, artists would change. It

21:15

was beings in the middle at first. And

21:18

then, yeah, and then for some week... That's

21:20

wild. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, it's for the

21:22

God. It's like fantasy football shit. It's like

21:24

fantasy football, more fantasy football. And

21:27

then, Beans was on Dame Dash Music Group. And

21:29

then, my name was on Dame Dash Music Group. And

21:31

then, my shit just kept going... You

21:34

ain't gonna check to see where you at? No?

21:36

No, I'm saying, this is... Real

21:38

shit, it's already going on. It's like, it's all

21:40

our news. So, Chris Lightly kept erasing my shit

21:43

and putting my shit on Def Jam. So,

21:46

my shit. And putting my shit on Def Jam.

21:49

So, yeah, same to say, I

21:52

wasn't going nowhere. As soon

21:54

as they... Do they let it? They was like, you

21:56

know, technically, you didn't sign the Rockefeller. So, you installed

21:59

on the Def Jam? I was in a death jam, so

22:01

I'm going right in the middle. I had just deals with death jams.

22:03

I was like, yeah, hey, man. I'm here, man.

22:05

I'm here. Don't know where that contract's rolling.

22:08

That's jam. You ain't going nowhere. Nah, I ain't gonna lie.

22:10

I had a meeting with Ho. He was like, I'm

22:12

going to just politely ask you

22:14

to honor your contract. That's the

22:16

law. That was basically like,

22:19

nigga, you ain't going nowhere. Yeah, that's the fact.

22:21

Yeah, yeah. So bam. I

22:24

know I asked you, and then we said we'll get back to

22:26

it. You

22:28

know, having Chaz, Chaz

22:30

is a powerful man in the

22:33

streets. Well-respected in the industry. Might

22:36

not know how to count bars neither. You know what I'm

22:38

saying? Might not know how to. You know what I'm saying?

22:40

What I'm saying is, but can

22:42

get you to those doors. But

22:46

at times, it seemed like people were

22:49

obviously respected him, but some

22:51

feared. Right. You

22:54

think that for you, was

22:57

that something that hurt

22:59

you, or

23:01

helped you, or maybe it was in the middle? It

23:04

was a little of both, because Chaz

23:06

is like, in the

23:09

beginning of the relationship, it

23:11

seemed like business to everybody, but like artist, manager.

23:13

But it was really more like father and son

23:15

for real. Oh, that's real. When I was like

23:17

15, 16, my actual dad got murdered

23:20

in front of me. You know what I'm saying? Of

23:22

course, the street from where my mom was living at,

23:24

by my fucking neighbor, shot him in his man. And

23:26

to this day, I never really processed the shit for

23:28

over. I felt like I seen it on a picture

23:31

or something. So Chaz

23:33

is always in my life from then on.

23:35

You know what I'm saying? Before music. Yeah, he wasn't

23:37

allowing me to do no street shit. All the hustling

23:39

I did in my life was behind Chaz back. He

23:41

would have shut all that shit down. He was not

23:44

the kind of OG to mislead a young nigga like

23:46

myself. Nah. I hustled

23:48

with a bunch of niggas he know, but he didn't know

23:50

that was happening. He wouldn't have been like, what? He'd have

23:52

been tight. So Chaz was like

23:54

more of a father figure for me than

23:56

a manager. So everything

23:58

in the business we kind of learning. I mean,

24:01

he knew a lot of shit because this man was gonna read all kind

24:03

of books the patients This is you need a lot of time. So you

24:05

know how to use his time

24:07

to educate himself It's like that learn the

24:09

law like so, um, we

24:12

learned a lot of shit together trial And so a whole lot

24:14

of trials never and shit like that. So in

24:16

the streets He

24:18

like the Godfather. Well, that's it. I

24:20

don't any projects. I went on prison tours and anyway, I'm Face

24:24

stamp laminated every way. I'm good money

24:26

in any hood anywhere fucking world Baltimore

24:29

It doesn't matter cuz you which as you you Gucci so

24:31

in the street and help and the industry

24:33

because it's ran by Been

24:36

his man's in punks and shit. Mm-hmm. A lot of

24:38

that a lot of them guys was nervous around jazz

24:41

He didn't really in my opinion. He didn't learn

24:43

how to finesse the fear into something that could help because it

24:45

could have helped him because right He

24:47

would have still been a cool guy in the room He

24:49

still was a cool guy in the room, but he was

24:51

so concerned about making them comfortable He ain't really use it

24:53

to his advantage that they were uncomfortable But

24:55

he could have just they would have been so happy to just have

24:58

a picture and a me cool I'm like, yeah, I'm with Chas. I'm

25:00

tough, too Like if he fenested that way, you know I'm saying but

25:02

it took us a while to figure that out Like you we can

25:04

actually use this shit You know I'm saying but any

25:07

which way it hurt with niggas that didn't want

25:09

us around that they was uncomfortable we're like real

25:11

real street niggas in the room and

25:13

then it also hurt too because of the Whatever

25:16

niggas thought about the 50 Chas thing

25:19

that I don't want to speak too much on the than even my business

25:21

but I'll touch I'll talk a little bit about it, but Because

25:24

of whatever issues they felt 50

25:27

and Chas had and a 50s diamond remember he

25:29

dropped in the club He's fucking 10 million record

25:31

you were in Way

25:35

prior boy before I was even rapping in the end

25:37

in this game at all They had it cuz Chas

25:39

was managing 50 some type of

25:41

part as man. Yeah, something like that. So

25:44

whatever issues they had Transcendent

25:47

the street shit and got to the industry and then

25:49

I made exactly super duper scary what? It

25:52

wasn't like uh We wasn't

25:54

blackball like literally, but it was like

25:56

because 50 was such a

25:59

big artist and he He polarized everybody and

26:01

he makes niggas choose, they chose. So

26:03

it was like, we gonna go with these- The industry. The industry.

26:07

that make us nervous? Or we're gonna go with

26:09

this nigga that's already fucking diamond. And he's selling

26:11

ads and selling our concerts. Like we gotta choose,

26:13

it's gonna be, they gonna choose, let's bring in

26:15

the money already. It was kinda easy for them

26:17

to be like, all right, we ride with him,

26:19

fuck these niggas. So that we was always fighting

26:21

to get in the rooms, fighting to be present

26:23

in certain rooms because it was super fucking scary.

26:25

You know what I mean? So that shit sucked.

26:27

You know what I mean? I

26:29

felt like I was chasing something in

26:31

my whole career even though I had mad talent and records

26:33

and all of that shit. Niggas was never green light in

26:35

certain shit. Always blocking, always resistance.

26:37

And I'm like, the fuck is that? Memo that went out

26:40

with your niggas, like what the fuck? But

26:42

I understand now, back then I didn't give

26:44

a fuck why I was like, all I know is that y'all stop me

26:46

from getting rich and it sucks. You know

26:48

what I'm saying? Like, it wasn't what's up.

26:50

And Chaz is the most silent nigga ever.

26:52

And he wasn't trying to make niggas

26:54

uncomfortable or thug them out in no kind of way, but

26:56

just his presence, because he was such a official nigga, they

26:59

would just be feeling like they'd get impressed when he's standing there.

27:02

I'm like, I hate him saying anything to you, fam. Why are you so pussy?

27:04

Why are you so sick? They felt like

27:06

they was getting pressed no matter what. I'm like, not even,

27:09

I know him. So I know he's like, he on like, best

27:11

behavior right now, just chilling. And they still nervous. Like,

27:13

I'm like, my nigga, he's being nice.

27:16

You know what I'm saying? And they were just super nervous.

27:18

And that, so that part of it, hindered

27:21

things because they felt they had to choose. They didn't have

27:23

to choose, but they felt they had to

27:25

choose. That definitely slows shit up. Is

27:28

that your problem with

27:30

G unit at the time? Was

27:33

you with Blackhand? Well,

27:35

that's what the streets made it. I

27:38

never had a problem with 50. And the crazy thing about this shit

27:40

is that- But you took a shot of Lloyd Banks. Been

27:43

a wrap? Yeah. I took a shot

27:45

of everybody. But it wasn't like a real shot though. I was

27:47

like, I probably said some slick shit because that's what I do.

27:49

New York shit. Yeah, New York shit. Like I fuck with Banks.

27:51

I fuck with all them niggas. They was never personal. It was

27:53

probably just competitive shit. If I'm a

27:55

diss you, it's a diss. Them little

27:57

shit is like, that's like rap shit. That's not a

27:59

real- Like, this is the time. No, but you

28:01

gotta realize probably coming from a person that's down

28:03

with Chaz Camp, this probably didn't look like it

28:05

was just a jack. It probably looked like this

28:07

was all out. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

28:10

I probably said 15 ain't waiting, when I said Banks. But it was never

28:12

like in a super disrespectful way where he had to be like, oh, fuck

28:14

them niggas. It was probably just like, you probably

28:16

ain't like it, but it's like slick shit. It's like this

28:19

lyrical shit. Like, it's nothing like a disrespect. Like, oh, we

28:21

gotta go to war. It was never that. We would've went

28:23

to war. It was never like, I never went there. I

28:25

went there with other niggas many a times. I never dissed

28:27

none of the niggas like that because we found the same

28:30

hood and I admire what they accomplished. Right.

28:32

They lived three minutes from our, like

28:34

two minutes from our mom's cribs right there. You know what I'm

28:37

saying? So it was like, I always felt connected to them niggas,

28:39

even if we wasn't. You know what I mean? So I never

28:41

like dissed them ever. You know what I'm saying? I still respect

28:43

them niggas to this day. Cool. Like I seen Banks recently. I

28:45

seen 50 recently. Like, we're not

28:47

the best of friends, but niggas is cool. You know what

28:50

I'm saying? I wish we were cool for real. The queens

28:52

would've been on fucking fire. What would've life would've been like

28:54

if Chaz and 50 didn't catch that beef and-

28:56

Oh my nigga. It would've been unified. What

28:58

would've been like you, if

29:01

Chaz and 50 never caught that problem

29:03

and you would've been signed to G-Unit?

29:06

It would've been crazy. I

29:08

would've been probably would've took Banks by it. I don't

29:10

fucking know what it would've been. You're gonna take nigga

29:12

spots. I'm hoping to be like- He done said

29:14

it was like, I'm just over there, I'll take

29:17

his spot. He the lyrical nigga over there to 50. He's

29:19

like, don't he doing stuff? I'm like, okay, we're the two lyrical

29:21

niggas. I don't fucking know, but I

29:24

tried to fix that issue. This is the part, I'm glad

29:26

you brought it up because I get to talk about it.

29:28

You went to the office? You went to 50's office? Oh,

29:30

you know about that? Come on, man, I'm on board. Oh

29:32

shit, I'm on board. I'm like, I'm on board. You stick

29:34

together, man. Yeah, I'm on board, yeah. And this is the

29:37

part- By yourself too. Dolo, this is the

29:39

part that's crazy because, see, and this

29:41

is a bit broke my heart. Chaz passed

29:43

away R.I.P. without knowing the truth

29:45

about the story. Oh, damn. After I

29:47

separated from Chaz, right? And Ben

29:49

is wise, not personal, that's still big, bro. But Ben is

29:52

wise when I try to do my own independent thing. He

29:55

thought I went to G-Unit after that. Hell

29:57

no, nigga. Oh, dude, what you about this? to

30:00

see 50. Yeah, because I never told

30:02

him the story. I know he would have been like, you can't

30:04

go over there by yourself. No, he would shut it down. So

30:06

I never told him this shit. I just did it on my

30:08

own. You know what I'm saying? And

30:11

I didn't know where they junior office was at

30:13

the time. This one had Brendan Goons out. I'm super

30:15

black-handed. I'm wearing a black, literally wearing a black-handed flag

30:17

on Jamaica Avenue. You were the first junior in the

30:19

office and they wasn't there. I went there and the

30:21

janitor told me where they was at. Because they just

30:23

moved like literally a day before. Julio blew it up.

30:26

Julio. Julio blew it up. My nigga Julio. So

30:29

when I get to the old junior office and he like, nah,

30:31

they down the block. They in the office right across the street

30:33

from the Times Square, the newspaper

30:35

building, whatever it was. I'll say,

30:37

thanks. But I go over there. So

30:40

this is why they were so surprised. Because they just moved

30:42

in there like a little day or two ago. So

30:44

when I get there, I'm walking up the steps. I'm

30:47

a little nervous. I'm like, damn, I

30:49

hope this shit go well. Because what if it don't?

30:51

I'm Dolo. So I'm going up there.

30:53

I'm like, walking up the steps. I'm like, yo, maybe the doors will be

30:56

locked. I just turn back.

30:58

It ain't my night. The plane right open. Shh.

31:01

The plane. I don't look at that mother fucker. I

31:03

was like, shit. You floated in there? I was in

31:05

the office. I was like, oh, shit. I'm at

31:07

the front desk. Like, who you here to

31:09

see? I'm like, trying to talk low. So nobody hear me.

31:12

My man here, I made a C-50.

31:14

She like, who should I say is a? Yeah,

31:17

it's like, tell them Graff. She say Graff from where? I don't want

31:19

to say black. Because I was like, Graff from Queens. Queens. I was

31:21

like, all right, I'll tell them. I was like, well, she went back

31:23

to town. I was like, let's do the nigga here. I was just

31:25

going down. So like, I'm nervous

31:27

though, because I don't know how this shit going

31:29

to go. And his niggas, the tension

31:31

is through the roof. They see me. You

31:34

can see they kind of panicking. They don't know, should we

31:36

jump him? Should we dump him out the window? What the fuck? He got a

31:38

bomb on him? They looking out the window. They don't know what to do. They're

31:41

not comfortable either. But I'm like, oh,

31:43

this sucks. The tension is through the roof. Because they don't know

31:45

how to react. Even his main security man came to me. He

31:48

was like, what are you doing here? I

31:50

was like, nah, I just want to holler to homie. Like, I kind

31:52

of piece, but I just want to chop it up. He

31:54

didn't know how to react. He was like, do I

31:56

said it? Do I not said it? He

31:58

ain't know how to do it. He was like. I just wait right

32:01

here. But the way his office is

32:03

set up, it's like a living room. So I'm sitting in

32:05

the main part. He like, just don't sit here, because he

32:08

can't hide or do what he wanted.

32:10

He can't decide what he want to meet you and not be

32:12

sitting right here. He's like, just stand right here for a second.

32:14

Let me figure this shit out. Because I'm talking to something like,

32:16

I come in peace, bro. I ain't strapped. There's no bomb on

32:18

me, nothing. I'm just trying to talk to the bro. But

32:21

it was super tense, my nigga. Like, you

32:23

gotta understand. I gotta draw this shit out.

32:25

Like, behind the secretary desk is like this

32:27

little war unit thing.

32:31

But it got like little cracks in it. So

32:34

if you stand behind it, I can't see it. All I can

32:36

see is your hat or your eyeball. Do you see my eyeball,

32:38

the hats popping out of the shit? I'm like, oh, this shit.

32:41

This shit is different. Niggas don't know what

32:43

to do. They're looking out the window. They

32:45

less like, yo, is this a villain surrounding?

32:48

I'm like, nah, none of that. But

32:50

you can see, they trying to figure it out. They trying to process it

32:52

like, do we set it? Do we wait? They

32:55

trying to figure it out. So you don't know that. Yeah,

32:57

that's the fact. So that's why I'm nervous. I'm like, if

32:59

somebody take it wrong, I can go super left. I'm Dolo.

33:01

You could die out here, nigga. Like, this is not fun.

33:04

But the shit, I didn't get to speak to the nigga though.

33:06

Your final shit, he didn't come out. No, I was just pointing.

33:08

He said he was getting ready for an interview. Sound like that.

33:10

But let me ask you. I was like, damn, son, I wasn't

33:13

talking to him. Had 50 get out of that room that day.

33:16

And it was just you and him. What you would

33:18

have said to him? I

33:20

would have really just tried to squash it with him and

33:22

Chad. I let him know, I don't know your history, and

33:24

it's none of my real business. But I want to tell

33:26

you, he speaks highly of you. How did you say that?

33:28

He doesn't. Chad speaks highly of him. Chad's never talked ill

33:30

of him. Nobody at Black can't ever really talk ill of

33:32

him. So it's like, I don't know if

33:34

he knew that. So whatever person with feelings, I was

33:36

like, if it could be worked out, I'll

33:38

let him know that. And if it can, if he was like, it

33:40

can't work out. I like to know that too. If it can't be

33:43

worked out, then I have to go more regular queen shit. I just

33:46

be like, all right, it can't be worked out. Fuck it. Because

33:48

if I'm cool with you, do records with you, it's going to

33:50

benefit me. If I be with you and this you on a

33:52

record and force you to say my name back, it's still going

33:54

to get rich. So I'm like, it don't matter. I mean, that

33:56

bad is, but it don't matter. You know what I'm saying? Like,

33:58

I just want to get rich. I'm

34:01

trying to level the playing ground. So let's say he says,

34:03

nah, we can never be cool, fuck outta here. I be

34:05

like, all right, cool, I can take that too. But this

34:07

gray area shit where I'm trying to fix it for years

34:09

is like frustrating as fuck. You know what I'm saying? Because

34:11

we're from the same hood. I want to be cool with

34:14

all y'all niggas. I'm cool with the rest of the niggas

34:16

in the street. I just never got to bond with fifth

34:18

because of the situation. I felt that wasn't my place to

34:20

even try to bond with the situation, you know what I

34:22

mean? Other than that encounter, would you go into the office?

34:24

Was there any other time you tried to squash

34:27

it? I think

34:29

that was the first time, like in the real way.

34:31

Every time I see him after that, after I seen

34:33

Yeyo in a weed spot, he told me,

34:35

he was like, he said, nah,

34:37

fifth, fuck with you. Just go how loud of him if you see

34:39

him? I said, where are you? And then I seen my, you know, El

34:41

Dorado was the other man. I seen Sun in

34:43

some shit on the West Coast where he's doing

34:45

some legal activities. And he told me the same

34:48

shit. He's like, nah, fifth, fuck with you. You see him, just say, what up? So

34:50

you sure? He said, yeah, man, you fuck with me. Just say, what

34:52

up? So he was doing some teams, said I seen him. And he

34:55

said, what up? It's funny, because when I first got to talk to

34:57

fifth, it felt like he had a lot to say too. Like

34:59

just shit that he probably was, it

35:01

hadn't his, on his mind, when I was conscious for years to say

35:03

to me. I had like years of shit I wanted to say to

35:05

fifth. When I seen him and got to hit the talk, I was

35:07

like, I forgot all that shit. I was

35:09

like, damn, hi, nigga. Nothing.

35:12

But nah, it's no

35:14

issue. Like, I'm Queens

35:17

all the way, nigga. If we could have all been cool,

35:19

that'd have been great. Word. I tried

35:21

though, look at that. But he never, I

35:23

didn't get the chance to actually make amends.

35:25

Do you remember another instant where you tried

35:27

other than that? Like, you know what I

35:29

mean? Like, even if it wasn't face to

35:31

face. Like, is it the

35:33

two way message? Probably,

35:37

because I always wanted to

35:40

make that happen. Plus, you know what that had done

35:43

for Queens, nigga? We'd have been looking crazy. Because Brooklyn

35:45

always had, Brooklyn guys always had

35:47

it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

35:49

Y'all always had it. Chill. Oh

35:51

shit, this is Queens right there. You know what

35:53

I'm saying? You ain't botherin' to talk. You be

35:55

a whole lotta listening to the name of Brooklyn.

35:57

I be like, I ain't got no reason. The

36:00

Korean graph is like, but, and then the list

36:02

for Brooklyn be long as shit, I'm like, damn.

36:04

A lot of Brooklyn niggas, we ain't fuck with

36:06

each other either. That's a fact. Like,

36:08

you know what I'm saying? Still to this day. Yeah.

36:11

Like, we cool, we see each other, but we don't

36:13

got records together, like. So

36:16

it's the same shit, it's New York shit, man. This

36:18

is New York shit, we gonna be on their own

36:20

shit. And I wanted to do that for Queens bad

36:22

as a motherfucker. That shit would have been crazy. You

36:24

know, the project they would have been retarto. At

36:27

one point, before the new project he died, there

36:30

was talks of a Queens tour. See?

36:35

You know about this? Yeah, yeah, we talked about it. I

36:37

said that on the podcast. Oh, okay, about that. That would

36:39

have been amazing. You know, this is my personal life, so

36:41

I don't even remember. If

36:43

there was a Queens tour, who do you think

36:45

should be on that tour? Shit.

36:49

I'm picking it all, definitely. Yeah, you're picking it. Definitely

36:51

Prodigy, you nigga. Yes. But

36:53

Prodigy or Mobb Deep? Mobb Deep, man, gotta be Mobb

36:55

Deep. Mobb Deep, Mobb Deep, Mobb Deep, CNN.

36:59

I'm saying CNN, I'm going. The

37:02

fuck? Nice. Fifth,

37:04

C-Unit. Lot

37:08

of legendary Queens niggas. Tribe Called Quest, man. Ooh,

37:11

that would have been crazy.

37:13

Tribe, lost boys, stack

37:15

bundles, R.I.P to my nigga. Chinks

37:18

would have been on it, R.I.P to my nigga. That would have

37:20

been crazy. That's another talented brother, right? That was my son, too.

37:25

Who I'm missing? LL. LL. I

37:27

want him to say it though. LL got it. He's

37:30

not even a witness, man. Look at Soggy.

37:32

Look at Soggy. Not LL, LL for sure.

37:36

They want him to

37:38

say it. A lot of niggas are missing, but I'm just

37:40

naming niggas that's top of my head right now, and we

37:42

talking about them. What would you pick? I

37:45

picked everybody you just picked. Who I'm

37:47

forgetting? Yeah. We

37:49

got, you know, Finesse's sequence,

37:52

Soul Sisters, back in the days. You didn't say

37:54

Run DMC? We ain't say Run DMC. You got

37:56

to put some of that shit up. I'll tell

37:58

you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, run DMC.

38:02

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know who I would love to headline that

40:52

tour? Will be Nas and

40:54

Phif. That'd be crazy. I'll

40:56

buy tickets to see that shit, and I'll be on it. I'm

40:58

gonna buy a ticket. I don't want to see that. Yeah. That'd

41:01

be crazy. That would be crazy. I ain't gonna

41:03

hold you. So listen, man, our show is about giving people flowers, man.

41:07

We want to give you your flowers. You've

41:09

been on Drink Chance before, but this is

41:11

your interview. Yeah. I appreciate

41:13

it. We're making sure you get your motherfucking

41:15

flowers. You know what I'm

41:17

saying? I appreciate that. I

41:20

have to give him his extra nocap. Yeah. Yeah.

41:24

It's already dead. And we also got Bleak.

41:26

It's Peek. Oh, no. You

41:28

know what I'm saying? Oh, no. You

41:30

know what I'm saying? Oh, no. Oh, no.

41:33

Oh, no. This is fire. You know what

41:35

I'm saying? Taping this to the wall. Fuck you mean?

41:38

That's right. That's a fact.

41:40

I'm the one on the man-to-piece. I got to find the

41:42

spots for this one. You know what I mean? This is

41:44

crazy. I appreciate this. Like, for real, for real. This is

41:46

my Grammy, nigga. This is going to be on a man-to-box.

41:48

That's right. That's what Snoop said. That's what

41:50

Snoop said. Snoop said the same shit. Snoop

41:53

said it's better than the Grammy because it comes from

41:55

your people. Yeah, that's a big fact. That's what it

41:58

feel like. That's a fact. I

42:00

love that. Last time I was on this shit,

42:03

that was the Jarl episode. And

42:06

it was mad long ago. That's when I didn't realize

42:08

how busy I get with this liquor shit. Hey, y'all

42:10

love Jarls the Tortoo. Come on, man. Oh yeah, yeah,

42:12

yeah, yeah. Damn. Okay. I thought we

42:14

were ready. I thought we were ready. I thought we

42:16

were ready. I thought we were ready. That was crap.

42:18

So you know what? All right, so Jarl put the

42:20

head line in. Jarl, oh shit. Fuck

42:23

you. Fuck you. Y'all say Queens

42:25

get the money too far, man. Queens get the money.

42:27

They gotta get the money, beef. Hold

42:29

on, hold on, hold on. And I know I'm naive.

42:32

I know I'm naive. One of the illest

42:34

times someone laughed at me was when I

42:36

had Remy Ma up here and I said,

42:39

I would like the original terror squad to be

42:41

together. And she was like, you see that? I

42:43

didn't mean so much. I was like, oh, we

42:45

edited this part. Right? So

42:47

I know I'm naive, right? But

42:50

what I'm saying is, imagine all those names

42:52

for real. And we do it festival style.

42:54

It'd be crazy. We do it festival style.

42:56

We're meaning like. Stages.

42:58

Generational stages. It could be generational. It

43:00

could be different styles. Generational, I

43:03

didn't think of it like that. That'd be crazy.

43:05

Yeah. It's like summer jam style. They

43:07

really be fucking crazy though. Niggas would come out to see that. I

43:09

would see that as a fan hip hop. I would come see it

43:11

even though I'd be on it. Watch. Nigga

43:14

likes a fan. I tell you another story real quick and

43:16

then I'm gonna be gonna jump back in. There

43:19

was this Prince

43:21

in Dubai. I don't know if you know this one.

43:24

And they wanted me, Nas, Mobb

43:26

Deep. And

43:28

I forget who else. That's crazy. But he just wanted us to

43:30

perform in his living room. Oh shit. Everybody

43:35

wanted the bread but nobody was just with us.

43:37

That's crazy. But he just wanted us to perform

43:39

in his living room. Oh shit. Everybody

43:43

wanted the bread but nobody was just with us. What

43:46

if this footage come out? Oh

43:48

shit. The bread was fantastic. It

43:50

don't matter. Fuck what it go

43:52

say. And it was actually,

43:55

I swear to God, people follow up

43:57

on this. It was actually probably like,

43:59

nah. He was the only one that was just

44:01

kind of like, I don't know if he

44:03

was just saying nah. Niggas go sit in a nigga's

44:05

living room for free. But yeah, I was trying to

44:07

get a chat. Come on, let me tell you about

44:09

that. I'm gonna fall right in your living room. Y'all

44:11

should've said yeah, because like I've been to a billionaire

44:13

crib before in the Hamptons who has big concerts and

44:15

shit in this crib. But the nigga

44:18

crib is so crazy. Yeah. It's

44:20

like you forget you in a nigga house. This would be part of like the

44:22

left, left, left, where we could get out. Yeah, he making it sound like do

44:24

sit in a section on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember

44:26

we never went, so we don't know. But

44:28

I remember when you said it though, like

44:31

he's living room with his remote like. His

44:33

room, like Baptist Square Garden is he shit.

44:35

The Jada kiss rapped about, his bathtub lift

44:37

out, his walls doing 360. All

44:40

that, and turn it to stage and transform it.

44:42

Like, yeah, like he's got a two bedroom

44:45

condo, Nori, come on. Yeah, like that was

44:47

before we went to balcony. I

44:49

was in. I was in. I didn't

44:51

care, you was in the Instagram meeting. I

44:53

was in the Instagram myself. Nigga, I'm good,

44:56

I'm good. I know you know what I

44:58

mean? Stress me words. Stress me words. Stress

45:00

me words. Stress me words. Shut the damn.

45:02

Shut the damn. Shut the damn. All right,

45:05

so is it cooked out much longer? Okay,

45:07

all right, cool. We gotta pick something. So,

45:11

we don't know if you know. Okay, come on.

45:13

Everybody know. Yeah.

45:16

You know the rules of this game, the drinking game?

45:18

I think so, yeah, but let's go. We're gonna

45:20

give you two choices. Pick one we don't drink, pick

45:23

both, or neither of them we all drink. I

45:26

need the reload. So, if you get the PC answer, we

45:28

drink it. I need the reload. Right here. All right, man.

45:30

I won't say last time I was here, I got sold

45:32

wasted. I don't know how the fuck got home. But

45:35

I made it. I'm here, I made it. That was when

45:37

we was at the eight and nine spot, right? I made

45:39

it though. That was like five years ago. When

45:41

you sit for so long, don't pay attention to this shit.

45:43

You stand up, I was like, oh yeah. Every

45:45

episode. Shit got real. And no got a lot of

45:48

people up here confessing. My behavior, I was like, I

45:50

don't know how I made it home. Remember that time

45:52

we got drunk in your crib at six in the

45:54

morning? I don't have a home then either.

45:56

I made it. Six in the morning. We ran

45:58

out of liquor, thought drinking beers and shit. Yeah. Sounds

46:01

like the slime. So what's up? You

46:03

know here in college, they say we drinking beer. No, we

46:05

ran out of all of them. We had

46:07

to be drinking beer. That's right. Yeah,

46:09

man. That's what happened. Yeah. Like,

46:12

why we drinking beer? Norvus used to walk around with the

46:14

bottles of wine and shit. The same drink. I ain't

46:16

gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. Yo.

46:20

You know why my BET red carpet

46:22

is always lit? I'm the

46:24

only nigga that got let go. I

46:28

started it from the BET Awards. The

46:30

BET when we first won it, I

46:32

realized we were only one backstage with

46:34

Bud and liquor. You're asking us for

46:36

a drink. So I ain't gonna ask

46:38

the niggas, let me sell my niggas.

46:40

Yeah, you drink shit. Yeah. Oh,

46:43

I got that glass. So we started the

46:45

Hip Hop Awards. Then the next year,

46:48

they asked me to do the BET red carpet, not the

46:50

Hip Hop Awards. And they let me upgrade. I was like,

46:52

what? Yeah, you was on the back

46:54

of the committee. You took the candy spot. Yo, I

46:56

think I did. I think I did. And

47:01

Sonny DVD, he snuck in the

47:03

bottles. See? And then we

47:05

realized, yo, you don't got to sneak them

47:07

in. No. We just hold them out.

47:09

This is drink chips. That's right. Ain't no

47:12

way to make that. They high. And

47:14

then I was like, oh, shit. So that

47:16

was the first year that came out this year.

47:18

Oh, we were super bold. We out there with

47:20

the Aces made. People were like, uh-huh. Yeah. That's

47:22

great. Our shit was like, uh-huh, yeah. That's the

47:24

idea. Y'all did it on the

47:27

stage? That was the faggot one. That's the one. It

47:29

started with the Hip Hop Awards when we won the

47:31

award. And we realized nobody

47:33

snuck in bud, and nobody snuck

47:35

in liquor. So we had both.

47:38

Yeah, that's crazy. Our room was lit. We

47:40

was handing out drinks on stage. Oh,

47:43

they needed y'all. Yeah, they needed y'all. They needed the

47:45

big y'all. Yeah. Look

47:49

at that. Yeah, man. He cheated

47:51

on his host duty already. What are you doing?

47:53

He cheated on his host duty already. Yo, yo.

47:56

That's that yo, because your lip was just out, man. That's

47:59

the problem. You gotta cover

48:01

up man. You gotta chill. I

48:04

got the wife D to under the chill. You

48:06

don't have to stress your toes out man. She

48:08

said, girl, where I'm from? You

48:10

better. You put your wife D. I got my wife D

48:13

to chill. You don't see it,

48:15

Blee. You see your nipples man. No

48:18

you don't. She was

48:20

like, what's up with you? What

48:23

the hell? Don't fuck it with

48:25

you. Oh man. You

48:28

gotta cover up. That

48:30

was great content. For art

48:32

it's not content. Stop holding on. That's

48:36

right. Okay, this is

48:39

gonna be ill. I trust you. I already know. I

48:42

don't write these questions by the way. It's

48:44

the Dominican and the Colombian guy right there. That's

48:46

dangerous company. The

48:48

Colombian guy with mad paint on his beard. And the

48:50

Dominican guy that smells like cocaine. Okay. And

48:55

any stories you got about this. This is dope. This is a question that's

48:57

dope. By them. Jay-Z

49:00

or Nas? I'm a queen now.

49:02

I gotta go with Nas. I love Hulk though. I

49:06

love Hulk though. Damn, I'm never getting my

49:08

chain now. I'm never

49:10

getting my chain now. I'm never getting

49:13

my chain now. You're like, I'm

49:15

fucking with you. You're never getting my

49:17

chain now. Damn it. This

49:21

is a good one. I love Hulk though. I

49:24

love Hulk though. Beans

49:26

or Freeway? Damn,

49:29

why'd I do that? Damn

49:31

man. Take a shot. Cheers.

49:34

Salud. Lingova.

49:37

Captain America with the shots.

49:39

Yeah man. Got

49:41

it on the stretch of these questions. This is part of the

49:43

game dangerous. NWA or

49:45

Wu-Tang Clan? That's

49:48

impactful too. But I gotta go with the Wu though.

49:51

The WA was just an impact on the west coast, but

49:53

I'm a New York nigga. So I felt

49:55

the effects of the Wu here. Shout out to Mef too.

49:57

That was my first single man met the man. Shout out

49:59

to the Mef. All right, you a man. P.D.

50:02

Crack or Young Chris? Why

50:05

are we doing this? I'm

50:07

trying to get you to drink, man. That's

50:09

gonna work. We gonna take another shot.

50:11

Okay, so I was- That's what my nigga is. Follow him.

50:17

These are the setups. Kanye West or

50:19

Just Blaze? That's

50:22

a good question too. It's

50:26

crazy cause when I was at the rock, me

50:29

and Ye was kind of close back then. Just Blaze

50:31

and Kanye. Just as you called it radio together, right?

50:33

But they had their little thing, you know. They was

50:36

competing at the rock. They was like going hard. Who

50:38

just in college? Yeah, they was competing. That's pretty funny.

50:41

Yeah. You had to get your own together. They

50:43

already killed his throat. With smoke. Yeah, it was

50:45

serious. The B-Womb ain't have no AC. So

50:47

you wanted to get into the A-Womb. They

50:49

was going hard. You needed smoke to get into the A-Womb. It didn't

50:51

have the AC? No, the AC's still- A studio? Yeah,

50:53

it was still break. We was hood, niggas. That's

50:55

a fact. And it's $2 million spot. But

50:59

that's the- That's the only other one. That's the only other

51:01

one. Come on. That ain't C, bro. No, I'm talking about

51:03

like how we used to keep it fucked up. Oh,

51:05

no, it was fucked up. I slept there

51:07

one time. It was fucked up. My studio, you've

51:10

been in my studio. Of course you've been in my studio.

51:12

My studio was so fucked up. And you're getting right back.

51:14

My studio was so fucked up. E.B. Queen came over to

51:16

lay a verse. She took her

51:18

shoes off. I was like, sweetheart, we don't have no cleaning

51:20

lady. Please put your

51:22

shoes back in full. It was dirty. It was

51:24

dirty. I heard that was serious. So

51:27

what do we wrap with it? Kanye just

51:29

plays. So you ain't answer. Yeah, Kanye. I'm

51:32

going to answer. I'm probably

51:34

going to have to go with Ye on that one. But I

51:36

love just two, so it's like a rough question. But I

51:39

might go with Ye on that one, just because he's

51:41

still doing it. I mean, just play still, Kaken has

51:43

two, though. I'm going to go with Ye though. We're

51:46

going to go with Ye. We're going with Ye. All

51:48

right. Lost Boys or Onyx? Mm. Damn,

51:50

that's a good one, too. Y'all know some Queen shit. Y'all know

51:52

some all kinds of shit. This is respectful. Yeah, it definitely is.

51:56

Mm. Damn,

51:58

both equally as impactful. but I must

52:00

probably have to say, Lost

52:03

Boys, because of where I live at. So I

52:05

felt the effects of that more. I mean, but-

52:07

I mean, it's outside too. I know. I

52:10

know. But see, the Lost Boys live like a little

52:12

like three blocks away from my mother house. So it's

52:14

like, I could see y'all career from my window. So

52:17

it's like- Sticky do be claiming Brooklyn sometimes. He do?

52:19

Yeah, he be claiming Brooklyn sometimes. We don't like him

52:21

sticking. Oh, okay. What's up? Does he really? Yeah, I

52:24

know that. I know that. He be like, I'm from

52:26

Brooklyn too. Like, wait a minute. He

52:28

went your whole career, quiz. Yeah,

52:30

that's the fact. It's outside. I don't know.

52:32

But I go to Lost Boys on that

52:35

one. Just what it personally was, how it

52:37

affected me. I seen the impact of that

52:39

firsthand. Okay. Oh,

52:42

Big Daddy King. Damn, I was going to switch it up.

52:45

This is wild. This is like brown skin against dark

52:47

skin right here. Yeah, this is like- I see

52:50

what they trying to do. Races going on

52:52

against Queens. Yeah, Brooklyn against Queens. I can't

52:54

even beat that. I can't even beat that.

52:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at that. I tried some

52:58

shit over here. I know, but

53:00

I'm trying to figure out what happened. I know. Nah,

53:03

I'm after going to stay on my Queens. I don't

53:06

have to go LL on this joint. But Kane is

53:08

Kane though. It's like, damn. But these are like unfair

53:10

questions. See, I can't crucify a nigga. This is my

53:12

eyeball sticker. I was cutting my shit trying to be

53:14

Kane. When

53:18

the whole set of that dude cuts in your eyeball trying to

53:20

wild out. I was like, damn, this nigga knew. Whoa. That's

53:24

hilarious. Kooji rap or

53:26

Big Pun? God

53:31

damn it. We taking a shot? Hey

53:33

man, you're leading the witness. Oh, all right.

53:35

That's leading the witness. Let's

53:38

go grab a Big Pun. Why?

53:41

Shit, take a shot. Fuck it. Let's take

53:43

a shot. Kane, is it that? Salud. Salud.

53:46

By the way, making it chill. Fantastic. Kind of

53:48

nice. Mm. I'm

53:51

fucking dead. Big E

53:53

or Big L? Mm. See

53:56

how you, you see why he pouring up right now. He already know

53:59

how it's going down. They own some

54:01

shit. Nah, but I'm gonna go with B. I'm gonna

54:03

go with B. I love BL too, but that's B.

54:05

That's a piece of both. Indeed, that's

54:07

a big fact. Ice

54:09

Cube or Scarface? I

54:14

think it's a piece of shit. I'ma go with Ice

54:18

Cube as impactful as a motherfucker, but I'ma go with

54:20

Scarface. That's one of my big bros. Scarface and big,

54:22

and more B. You're trying to sign you. Yeah, earlier

54:24

in my work, we could talk about that too. You

54:26

did not. I ain't no better at the

54:28

time. Did Def Jam? Nah,

54:30

he was trying to sign me to his label. But this

54:33

is the beginning of my career. I was one of the

54:35

first rappers that's in the South for doing shit. These are

54:37

my real friends. Scarface, Bumby, these are my friends in real

54:39

life. So I was in the South making

54:42

records, hanging out, staying out there, living out there, way

54:44

before I was in style, whatever the fuck for East

54:46

Coast niggas. It was a bidding war you was going

54:48

through too. Yeah, so I was already in a bidding

54:50

war with so many of the bigger labels. And

54:52

then Scarface came and said, listen to this, I didn't

54:54

know what this meant back then. But he said- He

54:57

said, I'ma take it on tour. He said, Graff, I

55:00

want to sign you to my label. He said, I

55:02

don't have the money to compete with the big labels

55:04

like the Sony's and the Def Jams. But what I

55:06

can do is take you on tour and

55:08

break you as an artist to all my

55:10

fans and all these markets around the country.

55:13

I didn't know what the fuck that meant back then. More

55:16

than any other bands would have got from a

55:18

label. I would have been the biggest rapper ever

55:20

because there's no nigga ever tour the South in

55:22

that way. I mean, introduced by Scarface, nigga. Yeah,

55:24

that's not easy. I know what that meant

55:27

back then though. Because I'm like, damn, I want to do that. But

55:29

I'm fucking 20 years old. Somebody

55:31

talking about half a million dollars. This label is talking about this

55:33

amount of bread. I'm like, what do you do? What do

55:35

you do? What do you do? I didn't know what that

55:37

meant then. You were a man too, yeah. I'm

55:39

20, nigga, I'm learning the business. I ain't no shit about nothing. So

55:43

I went with the bigger labels not understanding what that meant. If I knew

55:45

what it meant, I'd be like, I could keep your bread. I'm

55:47

going with face. Out of here. What

55:50

was his label? Face Mob? Was his label?

55:52

Face Mob, yeah. Yeah. I didn't

55:54

know that until he became the president of Def Jam South.

55:56

I didn't even know he had his own label. Outside

55:59

of when he was on rap. a lot and then he, I didn't

56:01

know he had a label. Yeah, I think

56:03

I heard. It was Face Moms? I believe

56:05

so. Yeah, it was. As

56:08

a Scraiser man. Out of it, out of here nigga, like

56:10

forever. Like, it's kind of like, I remember when Nelly came

56:12

out, he was so big because he did all the tertiary

56:14

markets and the small markets for so many years. By the

56:17

time he had a hit, it was like, pfft. Yeah, it

56:19

was easy. Yeah, he had the relationships, the DJ. I'd have

56:21

been the only East Coast nigga with that kind of connection.

56:23

Nah, that would have been a game changer for you. I

56:25

know, for any East Coast, just imagine an East Coast nigga

56:27

that no East Coast nigga ever had that in their life.

56:30

I know what that meant back then, though, I was too young. Right.

56:34

I like this question. I bet

56:36

you I won't. Clue or front flex? Ah,

56:40

man. Neither of them play your shit. Back

56:42

up. You're right. No, I'm

56:44

not. Oh shit. No, you're

56:47

passing. Nah. I got it. Almost,

56:49

almost, almost. I'll

56:51

tell you what though, look. Remember Britney

56:54

Goons out? Yeah. That was the biggest record I ever

56:56

had in New York City with niggas noodle words, playing

56:58

in the fucking bougie clubs. It was big. Clue broke

57:00

that shit on the radio. Clue broke that. That nigga

57:02

was bringing that record back like three, four,

57:05

five, six times a night, dropping bombs, gunshots, all

57:07

that. He stepped way

57:09

outside with that shit. I never, he broke that

57:11

motherfucker. Like all the way, all the way. Okay.

57:14

So I got to go Clue. Really? I'm

57:17

doing quick. Don't kill me. I don't kill you. Let me show

57:19

you it out. You know what I'm saying? Flex

57:21

likes you rhyme on the show. He let you rhyme. He

57:23

did though. Yeah. So now, now, never

57:25

going, never getting invited to another Hot Nanny 7 pick

57:28

neck. I understand what this means. I think it's killed

57:30

me. You already said no

57:32

more picnics. Okay. Okay. This

57:34

is a good one. Large pro or Molly

57:36

Marr? Both queens

57:38

too. Damn.

57:43

Yeah. That's a tough one. See? I

57:46

should have took a shot on the last one. Cause I would take a shot on this

57:48

one too. Large

57:51

pro or Molly Marr. Hold on. Who

57:54

learned from who? Was it Molly Marr first? Molly

57:56

Marr's original. Molly Marr's original. Okay. That

57:59

was smart. Somebody tell Marley Marr

58:01

class some sandboos though, man. He

58:03

don't be clashing. Hell

58:05

no, man. He got it, he got it. It

58:09

must be some Brooklyn shit. Okay,

58:11

all right. I'm gonna give

58:13

you a queen's pass. It's called Queen

58:15

of the Day. It's called Queen of

58:17

the Day. That's funny.

58:21

Lloyd Banks or Tony Yayo. We got to fix it

58:24

GU in the relationship now. I'm gonna do that this

58:26

way. This is a setup. This

58:30

is a setup, God damn it. Lloyd Banks the

58:32

lyrical, he's dead nice. I'm

58:36

gonna be outside with him. You're

58:38

gonna take a shot to both of them. That's what

58:40

I'm saying. You

58:42

go big to the G-Unimitation. Take it, guys. Word.

58:50

Komega or nature? This

58:53

is some dirty shit. That's a good one too. I

58:56

ain't got nothing to do with this one. Yeah, this is

58:58

all y'all. Don't you go to.

59:02

Nature lived in Marcy, don't forget that. Hey,

59:04

relax. You know

59:06

what I'm saying? That's my

59:08

dog. You know what

59:11

I'm saying? You know my nigga Jude, dude,

59:13

from Marcy? I used to be with Jude so much, niggas

59:15

thought I was from Marcy. You

59:17

from Brooklyn, right? Nah, it's

59:19

my major smoke with Jude, dude, growing up. Not

59:22

street beef, rat beef. You're

59:25

an arch nemesis in Marcy. You fucking kidding

59:27

me? That's my

59:29

dog right there. That's my dog back on

59:31

spot being the nigga used to battling. He

59:36

told me that. That's

59:38

my nigga. We went to

59:40

high school together. That's my

59:42

bro. I used to be

59:44

in Marcy with him so much, niggas sweat to this day. You

59:47

from Marcy, right? That's

59:49

crazy, Jude. My brother,

59:51

yeah. That's two,

59:53

man. I'm gonna help him put his shit

59:55

out now. He's still talking that

59:57

shit. You been always, he go missing for a minute.

1:00:00

You know what I'm saying? You know, Marcy niggas are

1:00:02

disappearing for me. You're like, yo, where you was saying?

1:00:04

Like, yo, I was in North Dakota for what? What?

1:00:07

He was busy. What? Yo, you got the shit

1:00:09

on him. Guns on him and all that. Oh,

1:00:11

yeah, I know, man. Word, man. That's crazy. That's

1:00:13

my nigga. I ain't know that. I'm still in

1:00:16

the spacecraft. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's a co-megalination.

1:00:18

Duck, you keep talking, bitch. I don't know

1:00:20

what that is. No, you're not gonna say,

1:00:22

oh, it's ducks. Co-megalination, I'm going

1:00:24

to go with nature only because

1:00:26

of the impact he had on

1:00:28

me. I'm a fan of

1:00:31

both of them niggas, real, real, but I did a recommendation

1:00:33

mad recently. Love, well, he done love both

1:00:35

of the niggas there, but I'll go with nature on this one because,

1:00:37

you know, we just have a closer

1:00:40

relationship. Okay. So I'll be a little biased. Before

1:00:42

y'all go to y'all- But call make it that

1:00:44

nice, though. Before y'all go to y'all next question.

1:00:47

Two, one Brooklyn nigga,

1:00:49

one Queens nigga got the illest

1:00:51

verses on y'all Queens nigga's records,

1:00:54

man. Cause nature on your record,

1:00:57

hands down one of the others first. He's not

1:00:59

a Queens nigga though. Listen, I said one Brooklyn,

1:01:01

one Queens. AZ from Brooklyn. Okay, all likes to

1:01:03

bits. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. No, he

1:01:05

was claiming us. No, he wasn't. No, he wasn't.

1:01:08

He was from the East. He was not expecting

1:01:10

people. He better stop that shit. He was like,

1:01:12

you can squeeze me. He was like, all right.

1:01:14

He better- He better

1:01:17

stop that shit. He was

1:01:19

fucking around, he was fucking around. That's

1:01:22

funny. I'm an AZ fan, too. Big up to AZ.

1:01:24

Yes, for sure. I love it, shout out to AZ.

1:01:26

I love the AZ, too. Ooh.

1:01:29

Oh, they go. Mob

1:01:31

deep or MOP. Ooh,

1:01:35

Christ. Yeah, I think it's all some shit.

1:01:37

This is not nice. But see, I got

1:01:39

to, I see, I love MOP, but

1:01:41

I got to go with Mob, not only on

1:01:43

some Queens shit, because Prodigy is in

1:01:45

my top five. He's a big

1:01:48

part of why rap, I rap. He influenced, if you listen

1:01:50

to my current shit, a lot of his lyrics

1:01:52

is quoted in my shit now. Word,

1:01:55

so I got to go with that. He was

1:01:57

that nice. He was just so different with his

1:01:59

shit, like, word. I was like, thank you. Right,

1:02:01

that was my guy too. So I got, I'm gonna

1:02:03

have to go with the

1:02:05

mob on that, but MOP, you already know. See,

1:02:07

he got the best intro to a verse. I

1:02:10

break ribs, hunnid, hunnid, hunnid. I

1:02:13

say that so many times. Pillow forward.

1:02:15

That's the best start of a verse

1:02:18

in rap history. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no,

1:02:20

Blake. Yeah, but I'm fucked up. I gotta take a

1:02:22

shot at you. I know that's true. Tim, Tim, Tim, Tim,

1:02:24

Tim. It's not gonna wrap his ass up. It's not gonna

1:02:26

wrap his ass up. It's not gonna wrap his ass up.

1:02:28

I'm sorry you wouldn't say that, all right. I'm not, I'm

1:02:31

not, I'm not, come on, man. I'm

1:02:33

fucking with you. Podcast or radio? Yeah,

1:02:35

mm-hmm. Podcast or radio? Podcast,

1:02:37

radio ain't except me, nigga. I'm on hand, nigga, you see me?

1:02:39

I'm chit, chit, chit, chit, chit,

1:02:42

chit, chit, chit, chit.

1:02:44

That's right, goddamn it. Fuckin' all about

1:02:46

radio. Nothing. Lauren

1:02:48

Hill or Missy Elliott? Mm,

1:02:51

that's not fair either. Goddamn. Who

1:02:54

was first? Missy, Missy was first? Nah, I would

1:02:56

think Lauren. Well, Missy was writing probably around the

1:02:58

same time. I'm gonna say Lauren Hill though. Nah,

1:03:00

as a lyricist, she just too, she just too

1:03:02

Lauren Hill to not say Lauren Hill. And she's

1:03:04

on the road to Zion. That's a big fact.

1:03:07

She's on the road to Zion. She's on the road to

1:03:09

Zion. What did you say? I don't know what you said

1:03:11

though. She said, she's on the road to Zion. She's

1:03:14

on the road to Zion. Oh, I didn't

1:03:16

understand that at all. She's like, who wrote

1:03:18

the road to Zion? She said, who wrote

1:03:20

the road to Zion? I just come here

1:03:22

right now. I know. Yeah, you know what

1:03:24

she did. She killed him. She killed him.

1:03:26

Then she got to King Zion. I could

1:03:28

have tried to stay serious, y'all. You know

1:03:30

what I'm saying? How

1:03:33

you understand? I don't know. On the

1:03:35

road to Zion. You

1:03:37

gotta speak in though, man. That's my whole story about the

1:03:39

20 years. You gotta speak in

1:03:42

though. You gotta speak

1:03:44

in. It's like Creole. What? But

1:03:47

different. Busta Rhymes or Eminem? I'm

1:03:50

gonna have to go with, damn, bust my nigga

1:03:52

too though. I'm gonna go

1:03:54

with Em because he influenced my style

1:03:56

the same way. I'm a combination of

1:03:58

Prodigy, Eminem, Nas. Jada, Royce,

1:04:02

and Jay-Z. You sure it's

1:04:04

not because you and Busta had a fight? Nah,

1:04:06

I love Busta. I love Busta,

1:04:08

man. Busta, my nigga. You went Busta at a

1:04:11

fight where I was at. Oh, you didn't do that. You

1:04:13

didn't before. Yo, how you doin'? You're a busta. Busta, you

1:04:15

did it. Yeah, I was the only one. You went busta.

1:04:17

No, you chill. I knew it. Fuck

1:04:19

you. Oh, shit. I

1:04:21

can't even imagine that fight. What about her?

1:04:25

You chill. This is gonna be first guy

1:04:27

cool with me and Busta. Yo, how the fuck you get cool

1:04:29

with me? Sometimes,

1:04:31

sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes

1:04:34

I get that out the way.

1:04:36

High school relationships. Yeah, I was young

1:04:38

and just hood with it, and I understand it's industry shit,

1:04:40

and I came to, I was calling him to come to

1:04:42

the studio just after I left school, and I'm just trying

1:04:44

to, now I'm at a wrap-up. But I'm not on, I'm

1:04:47

in the industry at all. I'm still like in the hood

1:04:49

doing what I'm doing. And I guess

1:04:51

he was answering the phone, so I just popped up, and

1:04:53

he felt the way that it just popped up. I don't know the rules

1:04:55

of this industry shit. He was like, so I'm like,

1:04:57

yo, I'm calling the phone. I can picture this right away. Just

1:05:00

hood and just, that's it, just hood. I'm

1:05:03

like, yo, I'm calling your phone. Your answer is, I just

1:05:05

popped up. And he said, yeah, but I ain't answered. I'm

1:05:07

like, yeah, that's why I popped up, nigga. So

1:05:09

he's talking to me trying to explain it, but when he's explaining it,

1:05:11

he kind of close to my face. I

1:05:13

don't know how to take this. So I'm just like, I might

1:05:16

make eye contact, so all I know is this is time for

1:05:18

me to swing, but it's somebody out of respect. It's not equating

1:05:20

my brain, but I can't figure this out. I'm like, somebody

1:05:22

else talking to me like this, I'm gonna swing, but this is Busta,

1:05:24

so I can't swing. Somebody not make eye contact, because I don't know

1:05:26

what to do. You know what I did? Oh,

1:05:30

I think I stepped off to leave, because

1:05:33

the security got up. And

1:05:35

then I said, something crazy to him, and

1:05:37

he got tight. What? So he came on

1:05:39

Elevator with me. He came downstairs, shoot the fire.

1:05:41

I threw my hands up. He held my arms down, so

1:05:44

I'd explain something else again. Let

1:05:46

me get downstairs to the Elevator. We talking,

1:05:48

talking, talking. He's trying to

1:05:50

make sense out of it, but maybe I'm just too young

1:05:52

or too hood to understand what he's saying. I'm already at

1:05:54

level 10. So I think I said some other

1:05:56

smart shit, and Busta wasn't being pussy

1:05:58

about it. He's like, fuck it, we just gonna get it on. I think

1:06:00

I hooked off I swung. I pushed off

1:06:02

some shit. We walked, nigga. I

1:06:05

swung. I'm with you, I'm with you. I think it like,

1:06:07

hold on. I almost don't watch that. You and what? You

1:06:09

need to take a shot yet. What? You and what?

1:06:11

I take a shot too, but I'm just on the

1:06:13

story. I'm confused, because

1:06:15

what's approach with the ultimate like

1:06:18

my nigga from the earth. This

1:06:20

is a star snuff, my brother.

1:06:22

Like, there's no fucking way. It

1:06:25

probably was me. If I was me taking the

1:06:27

shit wrong, because I didn't understand none of this shit. Oh,

1:06:30

he said it, so he's like, I'm trying to exclude you to some

1:06:33

business shit. You came in here on some hood shit. I'm like, no,

1:06:35

you can't tell me nothing. That was my attitude. That was me. I'm

1:06:37

like 20 years old, 19, 20. I

1:06:39

thought he's 19, nigga. I think I was 19.

1:06:41

Him and Buzz had to scurry your ears. I popped

1:06:43

on him. He

1:06:46

swung back. We got a shit. broke

1:06:48

a bottle. Shit, this shit went real New

1:06:50

York. Oh shit. This shit got

1:06:53

crazy. Oh shit. Back then, this shit went

1:06:55

crazy. That's all I knew back then, is like we're

1:06:57

young and just, you know how this shit go, queen shit. We

1:07:00

were split fat this. That wasn't it.

1:07:02

That wasn't it. We didn't hurt each other,

1:07:04

man. But we expect each other. It's like,

1:07:07

okay, like, he's like, this little nigga got

1:07:09

hot. Okay. You know what I'm saying? He

1:07:11

was like, I'm not back now. But he just, it just

1:07:13

went where it went. That's crazy. I don't think many people

1:07:15

got that story. But why people tell this story? Buzz was

1:07:17

like, you know this little nigga try to fight me. That's

1:07:19

how you tell stories. Like, yo, he'll tell the story. He

1:07:22

tell it better than me. For real. But back, I got

1:07:24

to give you your props for my nigga. Niggas compare you

1:07:26

to Eminem, man. That mean you, you

1:07:29

know what I mean? The pin game is super serious.

1:07:31

They was calling me the black Eminem for a while.

1:07:33

Thank you. That's one of the best compliments to

1:07:35

me. I think Em is one of the top niggas. A

1:07:38

lot of my influences was them

1:07:40

type of niggas. Royce and Em, both of them niggas

1:07:42

influenced my shit. Royce and Em

1:07:45

too. Yeah, so that's a big compliment for

1:07:47

me. Eminem shit. I always wanted to do a song with Em. Just

1:07:49

one nostalgic shit because I look up to him as

1:07:51

the MC, but then two to see who is get

1:07:53

the better verse. Like, I'm a better nigga. The nigga's

1:07:55

gonna say that. Something like that? That's the

1:07:57

way it's supposed to be. Yeah, we gonna go hard. A

1:08:00

lot of times when I make a record though, records I'm not

1:08:02

trying to get the best first. I'm trying to

1:08:04

make the best record. Best record. You need to get the

1:08:06

M now, we gotta get the best first. Best first, yeah.

1:08:08

A lot of sport, niggas. It's just personal. Even

1:08:11

though like he's doing, that's what he's doing. That's a fact, he coming

1:08:13

to smoke shit. You already know him. Queen

1:08:18

Latifah or Eve? Queen

1:08:20

Latifah's first, we gotta give it to queen, to the queen. Where?

1:08:24

We're going to go Queen Latifah, that's a pretty easy one. Peacock

1:08:28

or? Yeah. Nah, I was just saying,

1:08:30

Queen Latifah just so my mental. I always look

1:08:32

at where you take your career too. Like you take this

1:08:34

fame shit, this music shit, and where you go after that,

1:08:36

it matters. Like what y'all did with this drink, champ, hope

1:08:39

y'all get enough props. Hope y'all get

1:08:41

enough props. It's really amazing. When you

1:08:43

take what you got already and finish it to the

1:08:45

next step, it's like. Yeah, she transcended hip hop and

1:08:47

took hip hop with her. Yeah, she got like a

1:08:49

fucking big movie studio in, was it Florida, Atlanta or

1:08:52

something? Yeah, yeah, she's. She on some A-list superstar

1:08:54

shit. Like, A-bony commercials, like, the fuck? Like that's,

1:08:56

you gotta champion that. So we gonna go with the

1:08:58

queen on that. Word. Peacock

1:09:00

or Primo? Why? Why

1:09:03

do we do these things? If we got more liquor, we

1:09:05

got more liquor? Yeah, yeah. Salud. Salud. Shout

1:09:07

out to both of them, they both the bros.

1:09:15

These cups are getting tall. Shit, it's gonna be rough

1:09:17

after this. It's gonna be rough. Shit's

1:09:19

stacking up. They need a Uber. A

1:09:22

Uber on the road is high on. You say

1:09:24

what? Floo Jack City or Juice? Floo

1:09:27

Jack City or Juice? Might

1:09:34

go with Juice for real. Mm,

1:09:36

Juice? I might go with, damn, hold

1:09:38

on. Floo Jack City or Juice? I'm

1:09:42

just going with what's more impact. I believe

1:09:44

Juice was New York. Juice was more than the

1:09:46

hip hop. Yeah. New York. Yeah.

1:09:49

We claimed New Jack City, but that wasn't New York. Mm.

1:09:52

What film was it? Being filmed? That wasn't New York.

1:09:54

That wasn't a story based on New York. It was

1:09:56

New York. New Jack City? Mm-hmm. I thought it was

1:09:58

a little bit of a talker. It was a

1:10:00

bunch of different about Detroit gangsters put into

1:10:02

right? Oh, then that's my pick juice. That's

1:10:04

my first And

1:10:09

no, it's new jack said he was about Detroit. Yeah,

1:10:11

I know that I keep it I thought of some

1:10:13

Harlem shit, but Mr. Lee said he knew that no,

1:10:15

no, I'm about to say get the fuck out of

1:10:17

here. I Know

1:10:19

that did I serve I thought of some some

1:10:21

some Harlem shit They shot it

1:10:23

in Harlem. It looked like yeah, they shot it in the parts

1:10:26

of it in New York But it's based on the crew in

1:10:28

Detroit did not know that How's

1:10:30

the jewel right there? So

1:10:32

juice for sure Okay,

1:10:34

back it up price Bring

1:10:37

it back All

1:10:39

right Ja

1:10:43

rule or L.L. I think

1:10:46

that's the easy one. Yeah, go LL on that That's

1:10:55

a big Queens to the Rock

1:10:58

him care as a rock him

1:11:03

Damn Damn

1:11:11

that's a good one too shit Might

1:11:16

go a rock him though Is

1:11:19

I think I probably listen to more of

1:11:21

that day influence my type of shit. You

1:11:23

realize rock him never cursed Didn't

1:11:25

realize else told me that yeah Never

1:11:27

never never cursed. Oh shit. Somebody told

1:11:29

me that's great. He said the hardest

1:11:31

bars That's fucking nuts

1:11:34

Never cursed two points for that because I curse

1:11:37

too fucking much One

1:11:39

DMC or Beastie Boys run DMC Drop

1:11:42

called crescent brand new beer All

1:11:47

right, Rob Right

1:11:50

Rob. Yeah, you're probably kind of fucked me

1:11:52

up It's

1:11:57

like you thinking like I Let's

1:12:00

go try it. Okay. Loyalty

1:12:02

or respect? Respect.

1:12:07

Cause, damn, that's a good ass question

1:12:09

too. Loyalty or respect? I

1:12:11

need my respect, I ain't gonna owe you. I need

1:12:13

loyalty too. But, and a nigga

1:12:15

could respect you, or a woman could respect you

1:12:17

and still be disloyal. And

1:12:20

I guess if a person is loyal, they

1:12:22

respect you. So, maybe

1:12:24

loyalty then. Or you could have

1:12:27

both. I know nobody wants to say both. This is the only

1:12:29

time we really think you should drink. Just

1:12:32

take both of us. It's available. If it's available,

1:12:34

just take both. Yeah, let's do both. Salud. Salud.

1:12:38

My G. Salud. We need both.

1:12:40

We need both. We take not one, bless them. What are

1:12:42

you, what is this? I don't

1:12:44

know, man. You know I'm fucking drunk. Yo,

1:12:49

this shit is wild tall. It's stress nuts.

1:12:51

Stress nuts, word. This

1:12:53

shit is inspired by real stress nuts. This shit, this

1:12:55

shit get any taller. Now,

1:12:59

do you think that bars are officially

1:13:01

back? Hell yeah.

1:13:03

Yeah? Let me tell

1:13:06

you something, man. And that's why

1:13:08

I want a shout out to the Gazelle's niggas too. And

1:13:10

38 special. I didn't even get to mention that man. That

1:13:12

niggas my guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna get to that

1:13:14

for sure. I thought it was G-Bap. You left that out.

1:13:16

G-Bap definitely. I know

1:13:18

he did that, man. Nah, he did. He did the

1:13:21

whole album. Oh, I know. 38 special. And

1:13:24

I know Benny Butcher. Nobody

1:13:26

talking about executive producer, right? No, he

1:13:28

executive produced a stop calling our content.

1:13:30

His big homie DJ Shay, God bless

1:13:32

his class. Rest in peace. He produced

1:13:35

the whole album. And I finished the

1:13:37

album in a crib in Atlanta. That shit came out retarded too.

1:13:40

But when

1:13:42

they got hot, all

1:13:45

of my rap shit started to make money and

1:13:48

work and shit like that. Like before that, Keto

1:13:50

Hunter, I was hustling since I was 15 years old. Never

1:13:53

thought I would have been clean out of the street ever

1:13:56

unless you had a hit record or radio and all that shit.

1:13:59

I'm like, I don't see. myself getting a

1:14:01

top 40 radio ad right

1:14:04

now because of the way the shit went from my

1:14:06

career. But I never thought I was gonna actually

1:14:08

be out of the street

1:14:10

and just being a rapper. After

1:14:12

they came out, all my

1:14:14

raps started to sell. Then I met 38

1:14:16

special and he's such a solid nigga. You

1:14:19

know what niggas see you making mistakes and not tell you shit, just

1:14:21

watch you flop around but like I ain't helping a nigga. Especially

1:14:24

Hell Bent helping his people.

1:14:26

And the nigga's very smart, Ben is wise with this shit.

1:14:28

And the way Ben is deals are structured for underground

1:14:31

rap versus mainstream rap is totally two, it's two different

1:14:34

deals, two different worlds. Niggas still selling the vinyl, they

1:14:36

selling Hella merch, tickets, all this shit. Merch and touring,

1:14:38

all set back. One special really

1:14:40

hit me to the business and he literally said,

1:14:43

Graff, you put the same amount of time into

1:14:45

this music shit that you put into the street shit. You'll

1:14:47

make the same amount of money, I promise you. I was

1:14:50

like, I don't see how, please explain. And

1:14:52

he explained and drilled it in my head, nigga. He made

1:14:54

sure I understood the

1:14:56

nature of the Ben is and where I was at in

1:14:58

it and how important I was and what I had to

1:15:00

do to really reach the next level. Career

1:15:03

wise, in that lane. And

1:15:05

ever since then I was like, really

1:15:08

being successful in this lane and

1:15:10

the streets is in the past for me. And for me

1:15:12

that was something I had to say, congratulations, take a shot

1:15:14

for that, God damn it. Cause I didn't think I'm anywhere

1:15:16

out of the street for it. But

1:15:19

I'm serious, I didn't think so. How easy was that for you

1:15:21

to accept that from him? Did you feel that you were maybe

1:15:23

at a different level than him? Can I take the shot, sir?

1:15:25

No, no, he, oh yeah, go on. Yo, yo, yo. Wow,

1:15:28

wild times over here, drink chances, oblique.

1:15:30

You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. Yeah,

1:15:32

yeah. No,

1:15:35

no, no, he was still successful. He told me this shit

1:15:38

in a mansion, nigga. He got a big

1:15:40

ass house off rap. He was like, none of this shit is

1:15:42

street. This shit is from rap. I'm

1:15:45

like, yo, you pay for this house with bars? There's

1:15:47

no hit records. I bought this house

1:15:49

off music. Man, she got heated

1:15:51

floors, Versace, the room table, all this good shit

1:15:53

off rap. I was like, oh, I'm sold, nigga.

1:15:56

How does this happen? This is lion being now. No.

1:16:00

Who the bricks at? Nah, they're at, nah. It's

1:16:02

like people meet tech nine in them, like they

1:16:04

don't see it until they see it. Like, oh, damn. It's

1:16:06

real money and shit. Tech nine in the Forbes, man. Put

1:16:08

some respect on it. That's a big fact. I wanted to

1:16:11

connect with something. Yeah, I wanted to get with something. He

1:16:14

made the Forbes list off straight underground

1:16:16

shit. That's real shit. So that goes

1:16:18

to show you the level of market

1:16:20

power that the streets really has. It's

1:16:23

just that when you focus on a nation,

1:16:25

you might not get to see it. So once

1:16:27

he broke that down, I understood the business-wise, how to deal

1:16:29

with destruction and whole shit. I was like, oh

1:16:31

shit, life is different. Like, this is real shit.

1:16:33

And that shit literally changed my life. So I

1:16:35

always salute special every chance I get, because I'm

1:16:37

like, I'm literally making

1:16:40

a living off music. Nigga,

1:16:43

in my brain, it was not a real, I

1:16:45

couldn't imagine it, nigga, like, how? So what did

1:16:47

he force you to change? Like, what changing you

1:16:49

from the point that he spoke to you? It

1:16:51

was the business. He just, he implemented so many

1:16:54

tools, business blocks in my head that I was talking

1:16:56

exactly different. I'm walking in these meetings, all

1:16:59

my different information. So the shit I'm saying now, my

1:17:01

deals are structured way better. I

1:17:03

got certain execs and lawyers starting like, uh, uh, uh, uh,

1:17:05

uh, cause they not expecting an artist to notice. You know

1:17:07

what I'm trying to say? So it

1:17:09

was just information. Nicky empowered me in information. And

1:17:11

I went in them offices talking way different,

1:17:14

leaving them with way better situations. I

1:17:16

was like, oh, this is the real shit, nigga. Cause he's

1:17:18

more like, he's more like on the executive side, but nigga,

1:17:20

he's working with, cause he understands the structure of the business

1:17:22

in that realm. You know what I mean? So

1:17:25

props to that nigga were, he changed everything for me. I

1:17:27

keep it a buck. Business wise, like how I, how I

1:17:29

approach shit. And different. And you're still

1:17:31

independent, correct? Yeah. Um, that's

1:17:33

a question that we should have asked. Where

1:17:35

independent or major? I would

1:17:38

say independent, unless you have the

1:17:40

right major, because the average record deal to

1:17:42

me is a bad fucking loan. It's a

1:17:44

bad deal. All these deals is independent. It's

1:17:47

a bad deal. I say 20 years ago, major.

1:17:49

Today, if you want to make some money, you

1:17:51

better stay independent. Facts. Cause I can

1:17:53

sell a tenth of the records that let's say, me

1:17:56

or whoever sells and probably make more money off my

1:17:58

shit. Depending like the actual sales that I'm using. because

1:18:01

I'm gonna get 80 to 90% of the dollar. Meanwhile, average

1:18:03

though, you might be getting 15 cents. And

1:18:06

the labels take 85 cents, which is fucking astronaut

1:18:08

is that niggas don't create shit. You know what I'm saying?

1:18:10

So you paying back, it's a bad

1:18:12

loan, my nigga. So unless you got the kind of deal

1:18:15

where they gonna spend hella marketing dollars on you to make

1:18:17

you famous where that fame could take you to do other

1:18:19

shit with your brand, cool. But

1:18:21

otherwise, not independent, man. I'm making my bread, I'm cool.

1:18:25

Word. I'm taking major all the

1:18:27

time. Not bad, it's you. You

1:18:30

getting the right deals though. They gonna cash you

1:18:32

out. That's what I'm saying. The right deal, Major.

1:18:35

Make some money. You

1:18:37

gotta be the right deal. The right

1:18:39

deal, Major? Yeah. Otherwise, you gotta negotiate

1:18:41

and your, that's the odd thing. You

1:18:44

got in the major labels in a different

1:18:46

timeframe too. Right. When there was so

1:18:49

much money, just people were just like, here's have it.

1:18:51

Why you think a crack is still one of the

1:18:53

small crack? Because they remember that first time. So

1:18:57

you know you compare it to

1:18:59

the back. Yeah, let me just

1:19:01

say something. I started independent,

1:19:04

War Report. Everyone says it's a classic,

1:19:06

everyone says, man. But that was

1:19:08

back then though. That was back then though. Yeah,

1:19:10

but you was a kid, man. What do you

1:19:12

mean? It didn't matter, I was a kid. I

1:19:14

didn't reap no benefits over that shit. But let's

1:19:16

go get your baby later. Later,

1:19:19

what I'm saying is, when you

1:19:21

independent, you don't

1:19:23

get that, you know what I'm saying? I'm

1:19:25

talking about back then, I'm not talking about now. Yeah, it's

1:19:28

different now. Now it's different because we didn't have direct to

1:19:30

consumer back then. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. You know what

1:19:32

I'm saying? You used to be speaking about London earlier.

1:19:34

In order for us to get those records to

1:19:36

London, we actually physically had to go there. Right,

1:19:38

right. You know what I mean? So it's different.

1:19:40

So yeah, it's different. That bad business still got

1:19:43

you where you at today. I'm about

1:19:45

to say that. I'm trying to get you for

1:19:47

lots of vibes. You can't say that, because

1:19:49

bad deals get you in the right position.

1:19:51

I didn't say the bad deal. I'm saying

1:19:53

I didn't benefit off of it financially,

1:19:56

as far as. Imagine

1:19:58

if you would have signed a deal. So as CNN,

1:20:00

at that time frame, a major record deal, maybe

1:20:03

you got a dope advance and the record doesn't

1:20:05

sell at the end of your career. And

1:20:08

you're tied to a major label for five

1:20:10

albums and you're not here today. Exactly. Right,

1:20:12

yeah. I came up in that same dilemma with Hov. That's

1:20:15

how it was. Capital One designed me 250. Hov

1:20:17

gave out 75 bands. My

1:20:19

manager looked at me like I was retarded,

1:20:22

taking 75. I said, yeah, but

1:20:24

you know the difference? Hov can't. Right.

1:20:27

I had assigned to them niggas, I wouldn't be here.

1:20:29

Exactly. No nipples

1:20:31

out, none of that. I was like, fuck that.

1:20:33

That's the reason why the dreams come to my

1:20:35

mind. That's the reason. You

1:20:38

know what I'm saying? So I was in that same

1:20:41

situation. You're like me and face. You want to choose

1:20:43

the homies over the money. No, I mean, you know

1:20:45

what? You're right. You're right. I mean, in your case,

1:20:48

that's your brother. You know what I'm saying? I

1:20:50

remember my manager saying, I ain't going to even

1:20:52

say his name, but I remember him saying, yo,

1:20:54

this Rockefeller shit is just a dream. What

1:20:57

if it never happens? Wow.

1:20:59

Always name. What

1:21:03

if it never happens? I was like, fuck

1:21:05

it, I won't never be on though. I'm never going

1:21:07

to leave the dog. I'm going to the dog. What

1:21:09

I think he say, I'll wait. You were in a

1:21:11

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1:21:14

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let me ask you, I know we spoke about it earlier. You

1:24:01

being on, being signed

1:24:03

to the rock. And

1:24:05

then you hearing that this turmoil. What

1:24:07

did you, what did you, what did you first think? I'm

1:24:10

not. That's the ghost of

1:24:12

Rockefeller right there. That's the

1:24:15

Rockefeller team. Rockefeller team.

1:24:17

That's the Rockefeller team.

1:24:20

So you, you, you, and you physically signed the

1:24:22

contract? No,

1:24:26

I was in the middle of signing the contract. We

1:24:28

still reading it nigga. Like the ink is like, I

1:24:30

wrote like one letter, like the P. I

1:24:32

didn't get to the H yet. My name is Charlie. So

1:24:36

when I heard it was turmoil, I didn't think

1:24:39

it was gonna affect us like that. I didn't,

1:24:41

I couldn't imagine not going the distance,

1:24:43

but the rock. It was just the dream is you living your

1:24:45

dream. I'm like, oh, this is great. So

1:24:47

when it didn't happen, I was like, oh, this, this is,

1:24:50

it happened so fast. I couldn't even process it. Cause right as soon as

1:24:52

it happened, Dame started the Dame

1:24:54

dash music group. We went over

1:24:56

to Def Jam, flew to Puerto Rico, that big ass conference,

1:24:58

all this shit was happening, like back to back. So

1:25:01

it was like, and I'm still working as an

1:25:03

independent. You didn't fly out though. You ain't getting

1:25:05

a jet, but you flew out. Yeah, yeah. We

1:25:07

still flying. We still flying. We still flying. We

1:25:09

still flying. Not private, but

1:25:11

first class. Okay, okay. Okay. You

1:25:14

guys know what I'm saying? You gotta listen, listen, listen. Because the

1:25:16

first thing they put us first class, we

1:25:18

was in the B group. We flew

1:25:20

coach, ready to jamazz up. Hopefully

1:25:22

there was on some bullshit. Listen,

1:25:25

listen, listen. Listen, listen.

1:25:29

When he wrote that verse, you want to tour

1:25:31

a million hours, I fly over your bus. That's

1:25:33

about me up there. Like, this

1:25:36

is like nigga. You just left

1:25:38

the last night and you spent this. I'm

1:25:41

telling you. I'm telling you fucking hell

1:25:43

out of me. The bus is on

1:25:45

set. You're busing in the place. Yeah,

1:25:47

I was in the B group my

1:25:49

whole life. You ever been in the B

1:25:51

group jet? I

1:25:54

was on the B group jet. By the way, I

1:25:56

didn't even know that. What is this? Wait, who did

1:25:58

the hangator, remember? He did the hangator. tour for

1:26:00

his album. He had a private judges for him

1:26:02

and his crew and

1:26:05

then he had a jet for the band.

1:26:07

You know what Bleeck had to write? The

1:26:09

band. So I'm like, yo, Hov. Wait, wait,

1:26:11

the band? Oh, the band. Yeah,

1:26:14

the niggas. The band. Yeah, the

1:26:16

niggas. My niggas, me, all of

1:26:18

us. Groos in the pre-group with me. Listen,

1:26:21

I wanted to be in the A group. So

1:26:23

I'm just a hanger tour. I ain't really got

1:26:25

to work. Why am I on this jet? He's

1:26:27

like, yo, just in case they act up, I

1:26:29

need somebody there that got knowledge that can hold

1:26:31

it down. You ever seen niggas have

1:26:33

a fight 60,000 feet in

1:26:36

there? No. These niggas was on the

1:26:38

jet fighting, rumbling. They was giving out

1:26:40

shots and shit like drink jams before

1:26:42

this. These niggas just wally talking about

1:26:44

who had the best set.

1:26:47

You know who was talking niggas like, now I'm

1:26:49

better than you. These niggas started fighting to where

1:26:52

the flight attendants is looking at me

1:26:54

like, you know, break it up and

1:26:56

I'm looking at them. What's the safety

1:26:59

precautions? So when we land, I'm telling Hov, I'm

1:27:06

like, yo, these niggas in the air fighting.

1:27:09

He like, that's why I got you on

1:27:11

control last year.

1:27:18

These niggas started fighting to where the

1:27:20

flight attendants is looking at me like,

1:27:22

you know, break it up and I'm

1:27:24

looking at them. What's the safety precautions?

1:27:33

So when we land, I'm telling Hov, I'm like,

1:27:35

yo, these niggas in the air fighting. He

1:27:37

like, that's why I got you on control

1:27:40

last year. I want to go home.

1:27:44

You said great story. Yeah,

1:27:48

I'm telling the big one was real. So all

1:27:50

that first class, Dang might've

1:27:52

looked out because Dang was on that.

1:27:54

Yo, we smoking on the jet Hov like, like

1:27:56

that shit. If you want, you gotta have a

1:27:59

parachute. We did They

1:28:05

sent me to Japan Everywhere

1:28:07

all of those days, but it's a big

1:28:09

ass music group. Oh, that's what we still

1:28:11

fucking with the rock. Oh, yeah It

1:28:15

was so close Remember

1:28:18

but damn was game was it was

1:28:20

cool James a project friend. That's a

1:28:22

real project friend That don't matter how

1:28:24

much money he got he ain't letting

1:28:26

the project side where you and him

1:28:28

go Okay, like if he know

1:28:31

I got weed on me going through the

1:28:33

airport. He used to be like as

1:28:35

I'm walking he be said Yo,

1:28:40

we was in Paris You You

1:28:51

try to get me crazy like now But I'm just

1:28:53

saying you had it a motherfucker like you

1:28:55

bringing weed to the air more so I'm

1:28:57

like Jane chill It's me. Why you try

1:28:59

rat on me now. I'm telling you he's

1:29:01

not broke. It's crazy with the home Yeah,

1:29:04

I didn't get a chance to get that

1:29:06

close to Jay. Yeah Me

1:29:08

and Dame got close. Give me the pack. Damn

1:29:11

is yeah Damn like what we go through security

1:29:13

believe me the back You

1:29:35

want me to miss some big is gonna be

1:29:37

mad at me I'm

1:29:43

not saying I'm a devil now because I

1:29:45

haven't tasted the new armadillo. I got a

1:29:47

bottle still New

1:29:50

armadillo that shit was rubbing alcohol with the

1:29:52

armadillo back to the steel. Yo, I had

1:29:54

a heart to say this is the worst

1:30:00

That was bad. That shit, you could taste

1:30:02

the dirt in that motherfucker. You

1:30:04

could hit the shit in the meat. And then they

1:30:06

right there like, yo, that shit good, right? And I

1:30:08

just lied to them the whole time. Yeah. Fuck

1:30:11

yeah. That was bad. Fuck yeah. I didn't even

1:30:13

drink back then, so it was cool. It was

1:30:15

like, yeah, it ain't cool. I'll do your thing

1:30:17

with that, but I ain't doing that. They killed

1:30:20

the industry. The industry was like this, doing the

1:30:22

dame dash dash. They gave

1:30:24

me so much boxes of that shit out of the whole

1:30:26

hood, little Armandale. I had boxes in the trunk. Armandale, if

1:30:28

you get Armandale, you get Armandale. And the hood ignored it.

1:30:30

It was fucked up too. The hood just kept drinking

1:30:32

it. The hood was like, what? Whole world is drinking

1:30:34

it. You know what I'm saying? That let you know

1:30:37

when the liquor company doing bad, when they just got

1:30:39

cases to give away, nobody ain't buying that shit. Oh,

1:30:41

I thought they was up. Nah, nah, nah. I thought

1:30:43

they was up like chucks. Think about it. You just

1:30:46

getting them aces. Aight. Well, I

1:30:48

was giving you cases of boxes. You didn't

1:30:50

want them. Yeah. Shit different.

1:30:52

They just giving shit away. Shit. That's

1:30:55

like, they just sending them cases of the ass. Fuck it. We

1:30:57

got a drink. You a special. Damn, Bleak.

1:31:00

Nah. Nah, I tried. I had cases

1:31:02

in my crib too. Remember, all my cousins love Armandale,

1:31:04

but to me it was like, aight, y'all think it's

1:31:06

take this shot. At least I'll definitely know you. So

1:31:09

let me ask you straight up, Grah. Mm. You

1:31:13

think you was black-balled? Straight

1:31:17

up. We did a quick time of slime.

1:31:19

Yeah, I don't give a fuck yet. There's a little chicken shot.

1:31:21

Yeah, yeah, let's make a shot. Because I want the real shit.

1:31:24

I get the real shit. I want the real shit. We on

1:31:26

drink chains, nigga. Fuck it. Keep

1:31:29

it 100, yeah. I'ma keep it 100. Yeah? I'd

1:31:32

have been rich. Been out the street,

1:31:34

different life, employed all my niggas all that. But

1:31:37

who you think- But yeah, black-balled by who? Yeah, who

1:31:39

you think is that? Have that much power that could

1:31:41

make it- At that time, see,

1:31:43

I don't want to say it like that.

1:31:45

Cause then it seems- Like who had that

1:31:47

vendetta against you? It wasn't one individual. It

1:31:50

was like, collectively, we just not fucking with

1:31:52

it. These niggas was on. Do not disturb.

1:31:54

Just not fucking with these niggas based on

1:31:56

this whole 50-50 shit. You were black-handed as

1:31:58

a whole. Us as a whole. to

1:32:00

keep it 100. Us as a whole, it just was like, we

1:32:03

just not fucking with nothing that's coming from this way

1:32:05

based on what relationship we have with 50. So

1:32:08

it's not like I could say, like a niggas like, oh 50

1:32:10

black balls y'all, nah I can't say it like that. I'm not

1:32:12

saying he went out his way to personally do

1:32:15

that, but he does make niggas choose sides. That's just

1:32:17

how, that's who polarizes people. That's just the way. Like

1:32:19

what happened right now with Kendrick and Drake, it created

1:32:21

that type of problem. When you that level of an

1:32:23

artist, it can polarize people. Yeah, so it's like, and

1:32:26

only we'd have heard of niggas, heard of him in

1:32:28

his pockets, you know what I mean? So the industry

1:32:30

at that time was more gate keeping. It wasn't like,

1:32:32

oh I could just go independent and blow the fuck

1:32:34

up on the- Yeah, it was a small industry. It

1:32:36

was gate kept. If you ain't have

1:32:38

the powers that be behind you, you just not getting on, niggas. No

1:32:41

matter how much money you try with industries, you can't just

1:32:43

go fucking do pay all of everybody and

1:32:45

get on. It's not what the fucking game

1:32:47

was. You could try that, you still haven't got on

1:32:49

like that. Small industry, yeah. For the mother, so yeah, it

1:32:51

was a lot of hella resistance. It

1:32:54

was like, I'm here today

1:32:56

because I just got enough talent and enough love from

1:32:58

people. And consistency, you're consistent

1:33:00

bro. I go so, I

1:33:02

don't know how to relax, nigga. Like people be like, oh

1:33:04

you're an animal, you work all day, it sounds like a

1:33:06

compliment, but it's really not. I don't know how to relax,

1:33:09

I don't know how to stop working. I work on vacation,

1:33:11

nigga. That's a fact, because we shot the Vane, you was

1:33:13

on the tour with Joyner Lucas the next day. Like

1:33:15

yo, hold on, what the, this ain't even safe, it's

1:33:17

going on tour. I was gone, I don't know how

1:33:19

to stop. And the tour looked crazy. Word up. I

1:33:21

told, shout out to Joyner too, which I was crazy.

1:33:23

Oh so Joyner, and was you also on tour with

1:33:25

Benny and them? I was on Benny, I did two

1:33:27

tours with Benny, and then my last

1:33:29

tour, which ended with Joyner Lucas. So you're doing more

1:33:31

tours than me? You know what I'm

1:33:34

saying? Oh shit, I don't know how to turn

1:33:36

it off, my nigga, I ain't going to hold

1:33:38

you. And listen, today money, better than then money.

1:33:40

With touring, right? And most you know, like yeah,

1:33:42

but I'm making money now. You got fucking, especially

1:33:44

if you know. Look, look, they got, screw, they

1:33:46

got. We got

1:33:48

stress ups, man. All these

1:33:50

companies throwing money. It wasn't nothing back

1:33:53

in the day. That

1:33:56

response to my, I'll do a whole point for you, man, what's up? What's

1:34:00

up, man? What's up, man? Yo, it's not

1:34:02

a porno, man. When we was

1:34:04

rolling, going towards it wasn't nothing but

1:34:06

GTPs. That's it. Gangsta's

1:34:08

turn promoter. That's it. That's really

1:34:10

it. They get someone to clean they bread up.

1:34:13

Just to pull up. The party promoter. He had

1:34:15

the song. We didn't know. When we pulled up

1:34:17

to the spot, niggas would like to sing the

1:34:19

song. GTP. So everybody knew

1:34:22

in the car, it's gangsta. Yeah,

1:34:24

right. You know what I'm saying?

1:34:26

So today you got... You got

1:34:28

corporate venues, ticket masters. We

1:34:31

got monster. Monster

1:34:33

in it. But that's why I say... That's why they

1:34:35

don't can do. But that's why I say today... You

1:34:37

can pray to us. Today, today it's easier to go

1:34:40

independently on things because of all these outlets

1:34:42

and companies. And creatively as well. Yeah, you

1:34:44

could do... Like even Jordan Lucas is a

1:34:46

good example. He was signed on major

1:34:48

at first. He had to help him get the fame. But

1:34:51

then he took that notoriety and his talent. He took all.

1:34:53

Now he's stupid fucking rich. Took all, right? Like all the

1:34:55

money the labels... Now he's smart as fuck. The money the

1:34:57

labels would have been making off his records going in his

1:34:59

pocket. That nigga way up, nigga. You know what I'm saying?

1:35:01

So you got the bread and the talent and the skills

1:35:03

and the records. You can't tell a nigga nothing right now.

1:35:05

I ain't gonna lie, man. His videos be the illest. No,

1:35:07

his creative... You know what I was crazy about? My fuck's

1:35:09

with his creative videos. That

1:35:12

nigga says he edits his own videos, my nigga. His

1:35:14

man, my man trash out of the trash, shoots

1:35:16

it. He edit the shit himself. The

1:35:18

nigga thinks of the videos first, then write the

1:35:20

song. His brain is different. That nigga's an ill

1:35:22

nigga, man. Shout out to Joanna Werg. You

1:35:27

remember he had... You don't smell a hat? Nah, where you getting it

1:35:29

from? Sunburn. My people at Sunburn, big you

1:35:31

up. Go ahead. With

1:35:33

who? Joe Buttons. Oh,

1:35:35

I remember that. Yeah. You remember

1:35:37

that? No. Yeah, it

1:35:39

been Joe Buttons. I spoke with him. I was like, I'm not

1:35:42

a man. I'm a man. I'm

1:35:44

a man. I'm a man. I'm a man. I'm a

1:35:46

man. I'm a man. I'm a

1:35:48

man. I'm a man.

1:35:50

Yeah. You remember that? No. Yeah,

1:35:53

it been Joe Buttons. I spoke when they first came out.

1:35:55

What happened? Joe Buttons just was saying he retired better than

1:35:57

the game. He was like, yo, I retired.

1:36:00

I bet it in 97% of the industry,

1:36:02

I'm good. Now he think he's

1:36:04

up now. He probably made more money now as

1:36:06

a retiree of rap than he was in his

1:36:08

industry. Listen, Nori was telling me numbers, I'm down.

1:36:11

He said, you're bleeding, get down, lay

1:36:13

down, get down. That's a good idea.

1:36:15

I guess you follow. I guess you

1:36:17

follow, follow. That's a fact. I'm down.

1:36:20

Now me and Joe, it was just rap though. He

1:36:23

took the style or whatever, and then when I

1:36:25

was on Sony, they

1:36:28

were so bent out of shape that he took my style. They

1:36:33

said- Wait, hold on a time, what are you just

1:36:35

saying? Yeah, he said Joe Button took your style. Back

1:36:38

then, yeah. Do you feel that? Everybody's

1:36:41

feel, yeah. It was major smoke, because

1:36:44

it was at the time when they first

1:36:46

came out, Joe Button's just was coming out,

1:36:48

Graff was just coming out, and the whole

1:36:50

talk of New York was like, yo, somebody,

1:36:52

Graff said he stole his style. Funny

1:36:55

thing, I wasn't even saying that at first. What happened is

1:36:57

Sony said it to me. They said, when they signed me

1:36:59

and gave me this big ass deal, they was like, well,

1:37:02

we feel Joe Button kind of took your sound,

1:37:04

and we signed you, we thought you were special,

1:37:06

but now if there's two of y'all, then

1:37:08

we don't know what to do with you now. So

1:37:10

basically, if the deal wasn't done, they wouldn't have signed

1:37:13

me. That's when I was like, I'm gonna have

1:37:15

to kill this nigga. Because I was just- Coming up was already out?

1:37:17

That was the second one. He put focus out, focus

1:37:20

out. Yeah, I was just before that. I was working

1:37:22

both- Sony, that's how I met you,

1:37:24

and I was working Def Gem at the same time. So that's

1:37:26

when I got it out. I

1:37:28

took all my independent. But I wasn't even tight at the

1:37:30

style thing until I realized it would have cost me my

1:37:32

deal if the deal wasn't done. Because they had a problem,

1:37:34

but they was like, well, what do we do now? Like,

1:37:36

if the deal wasn't done, they wouldn't have dropped it. They

1:37:39

would have been like, we're not signing no more. It's two

1:37:41

of them, fuck, I'm not special no more. That's how they

1:37:43

was treating it when he did. Like,

1:37:45

you know what I mean? Real

1:37:47

quick, put a pin in this. Think how nostalgic

1:37:49

though that is that a label would even say

1:37:51

there's two of y'all we

1:37:54

might not assign y'all. Now that would never happen. There's three, 20, 20

1:37:56

y'all. We could have 17 of y'all right

1:37:58

now. Oh yeah, now that's what I was counting. Think about

1:38:00

it, Kendrick and Drake is right now on

1:38:02

the same label. No,

1:38:04

but that's not what I'm talking about. You're talking about similar styles. You

1:38:07

know how like- No, but what I'm saying, I'm

1:38:09

just giving you an example of what's happening right

1:38:11

now. Is they're both on the same label. You

1:38:13

know, Universal wins this whole beat. Oh yeah, they

1:38:15

win. Oh yeah, they say it all that time.

1:38:17

Kendrick and Drake, say Universal, sir.

1:38:19

Right. Say Universal.

1:38:22

That's a fact. I killed it, I went too far. I'm

1:38:24

losing my mind. I heard it, you take a fork in

1:38:27

my room. I

1:38:29

didn't feel right. You gave me some secrets. I didn't

1:38:31

feel right. I didn't feel right. I didn't feel right.

1:38:34

I was just saying about that. That's fact. I didn't

1:38:36

feel right, shit. I didn't feel right. You directed it.

1:38:38

Not so good, shit. I will say shout out to

1:38:40

Jodo, nigga. It ain't no, but back then I wanted

1:38:42

to fight and everything. I seen him in Puerto Rico

1:38:44

and was like, let's fight. I was super tight. You

1:38:46

was gonna fight Jodo. That's two million percent. You talkin'

1:38:48

about the break. What's the line? Hold on, time

1:38:50

out. I thought it was just Mike before the

1:38:52

retracement. No, no, no, I wanted to fight. I

1:38:54

was so mad, nigga. Hold on. I

1:38:57

thought it was cool, because they were wanting to fight

1:38:59

anybody. He was like, yo, we shoot the flies. I'm

1:39:01

sitting down, nigga. Like, shoot the flies. Back

1:39:03

then we, how could we stop? We should

1:39:05

back then. For all of our

1:39:07

head, he said in Puerto Rico. Like, we

1:39:09

supposed to be having a good show. We should have

1:39:12

a good show. I'm like, I'm gonna see him on

1:39:14

vacation. I'm making a lit. I seen him and I was

1:39:16

just, I was trying to go there, you know what I'm saying? But

1:39:18

I don't know all the way to soft shit. I'm

1:39:20

fucking 20 years old. New York, man. New York. Like,

1:39:23

fuck that. Fight, nigga. There's

1:39:25

no other way to soft shit back then. Like,

1:39:27

we must fight to death. Dual. You

1:39:30

know what I mean? So, that's how I was on

1:39:32

it. But, why we cool now? That's my nigga. Back

1:39:35

then, it wasn't no, we wasn't trying to be cool

1:39:37

with nobody back then. I wanted to smoke with whoever

1:39:39

the fuck. You know what I'm saying? And back then

1:39:41

coming out of New York, you knew you had to

1:39:43

do with the toughest nigga from your

1:39:46

block. No matter where you with,

1:39:48

my hood. Remember, paid in full?

1:39:51

How Alford was like, what's the

1:39:53

point of having all this power, all these armies, and

1:39:55

all this money, if you can't use it? That's

1:39:57

kinda how I felt. I was like, I got all this talent, all this

1:39:59

money. and a million yanks is with me. I was

1:40:01

like, I like how you said paid in sport and you

1:40:03

said Alpo, but really paid in for is Rico. Oh,

1:40:06

facts. Facts, well, Rico. Cam, let's

1:40:08

just go there. Okay, no, no, no, let's

1:40:10

say Rico. That's the character he played.

1:40:12

Right, right, right, that's the best. Well, that line Cam

1:40:14

said, let's just go like, cause you know what I'm

1:40:16

saying? That shit that Cam said. That

1:40:21

shit was like, what's the point of having all

1:40:23

this power if you can't use it? That's the

1:40:25

mentality I had then. I wasn't thinking Ben is

1:40:27

at all. Right. I just wanted to be, you

1:40:30

don't even focus all money. You just want to

1:40:32

be the best and the realest and whatever. You

1:40:34

don't have to think about Ben is. You learn

1:40:36