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Yeah, your horse is the only thing that's better. Oh

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my horse. Welcome

0:51

back to another Dear Shandy Golden Bachelorette

0:53

recap listeners. Hello, Andy. Hello. How are

0:55

you today? I'm doing okay. We had

0:57

a nice day off. No, okay is

0:59

good. Only okay? No, okay, good, okay.

1:02

Good, okay. You've been a little somber this morning.

1:04

Is it the gray day? You know, we had

1:06

such a nice day off yesterday. It was so

1:08

amazing. It was magical. We went to this place,

1:11

Glendolo. I don't know if anyone's been. We rented

1:13

a car and drove. It was so lovely. Unbelievable.

1:15

Ireland on the whole, I got to say 10

1:17

out of 10. Highly recommend. 10 out of 10.

1:19

Five stars on Yelp. The whole shebang. Everything is

1:22

great. Yeah. The ingredients, the food, I feel like

1:24

light and good here. Like it makes you realize

1:26

how much crap is in our food in America.

1:28

And the people here are so nice. The nicest

1:30

people I've ever met in my life. And not

1:33

just nice, but we've been to places where people

1:35

are nice, but they're a little repressed. Yeah. They're

1:37

holding back. Or it's like nice, but it's like

1:39

passive aggressive. Yes. Yeah. Like Canada. No, no, no,

1:41

no, no. Canada is good. No, Canada. There's some

1:43

passive aggression in Canada. No, I'm the Canadian. I

1:46

can admit, I think Canadians are really polite, but

1:48

there's sometimes like a passive aggression. They let it

1:50

out in the cars. We talked about this. Yeah,

1:52

yeah. When they get behind the wheel, that's when

1:54

it all comes up. There's a lot of road

1:57

rage. But the people here are unbelievable.

1:59

They're incredibly friendly, ridiculous. Like, they give you a

2:01

kidney. They don't even know you. Like, take my

2:03

kidney. Yeah, they're offering you things, bringing you things.

2:06

A man randomly fixed my bike for me in

2:09

the street yesterday. It's incredible. Like, got grease on

2:11

his hands in order. And they're helping. That's funny.

2:14

Yes. A good sense of humor.

2:16

Totally. They're smart. Yes. Okay,

2:19

wow. What's bad to say about Ireland? How did we not know

2:21

about Ireland? Well, we knew that. People have

2:23

been hiding this. They don't want

2:25

people coming. Someone needs to be at fault, Andy. Yes. I

2:28

think you should adjust your mindset because you were

2:30

a little somber coming in because you're like, oh,

2:32

yesterday was so nice and today's so gloomy. But

2:35

why does it have to be like you lost something?

2:37

You're right. You're right. I

2:39

want you to change that about yourself. Change.

2:42

Okay, on with the recap. Do you want

2:44

to tell the Fandies why you're actually sad?

2:47

Oh, I read a bad review. Oh.

2:50

About me. They said they

2:52

didn't like me. I go on

2:54

too many tangents. Oh, Andy, we love

2:57

your tangents. They're funny. They

2:59

hate me. They said hate? No,

3:01

I don't think they said hate. But

3:04

they said they don't like me. But they definitely hate me.

3:07

They like you and they don't like me. It's even worse. Just

3:10

kidding. No, it's glad. At least it's half good. No,

3:12

but a lot of people like you and don't like

3:14

me. That's true. They like you and they can't stand

3:16

my laugh. So there you go. That's true. And

3:19

then I thought about it more and I feel like I should

3:21

celebrate it. Oh, because without

3:23

those bad reviews, you're doing something wrong.

3:25

Yes. Because the fact is we have

3:27

been inundated. Yes. With lovely. By beautiful

3:29

reviews. Like too beautiful to even talk

3:31

about. Yeah, it's upsetting. It's obviously upsetting.

3:33

Yeah. Well, isn't that

3:36

interesting that instead of focusing on the

3:38

beautiful ones, it's human nature.

3:41

Yeah. Like it's almost like I can't process the good ones.

3:43

I'm like, oh, that's like, it's too lovely. I'm

3:45

not worthy. And then I focus on the bad one

3:47

and I must, I must have some self

3:49

loathing that I focus on that and deem that to

3:52

be true. Well, it was like yesterday when we went

3:54

to that place. It was so beautiful

3:56

and mystical and magical that we couldn't process it.

3:58

It reads the level where it's like we can't,

4:00

we don't understand it anymore. Yes. But yet on

4:02

the way back when we wanted to get a

4:04

snack, we had a Caesar salad, which we thought

4:07

was gross. And we talked about that for a

4:09

while. Yeah. So we found more

4:11

fault in the Caesar salad and we stopped

4:13

talking about the majesty of the beauty. But

4:15

we couldn't even, we were just like, it's

4:17

too much. We did max out. It's like

4:19

going and playing with puppies. And eventually you're

4:22

just like, I can't process any more cuteness.

4:24

Wow. Speaking of tangents, what

4:27

we're doing is we're weeding out the non-real

4:29

Shandies. That's right. That's it. There's one left.

4:31

Get out. Okay. So let's get

4:34

going, Andy. Recapping. Episode five picks

4:36

up with a cold open. First,

4:39

we never talk about cold opens, but we're going to

4:41

talk about this one because Joan pulls Mark to talk

4:43

and the men are like, oh, I'm sure it's something

4:45

good, which

4:48

means it's something bad. Okay. So we

4:50

open the actual episode with Pascal steaming

4:52

his clothes in his underwear. I mean,

4:54

guys packing heat. It's cute how he

4:56

says he misses his friends. He lost

4:58

four roommates in one night the night

5:00

before and he's just steaming his shirt

5:02

alone. It would get lonely. Yeah.

5:04

But the good news is he's learning how to

5:06

steam his own shirts. He

5:09

doesn't have Greg there anymore to do his laundry.

5:11

Chalk in his ITM set. Are we not going

5:14

to talk about how ripped Pascal is? We've already

5:16

talked about how ripped Pascal is. I think it

5:18

needs another mention. Okay. I mean, he's unbelievably ripped.

5:20

Okay. Moving on. And he's ripped

5:22

in a way that's like only

5:24

partly hard work. Yeah. I feel like

5:26

that's kind of just the way he looks. Yes. I don't

5:28

know if he works out that much. I'm getting a sense

5:31

from Pascal that he's also just won the genetic lottery. Yeah.

5:33

There's a bit of that. Chalk in his ITM says

5:35

that every week Joan gets more and more attractive. And

5:37

for some reason I took note of this because I

5:40

find the word attractive. That's

5:43

like a... Isn't that a boomer word

5:45

to you? Kind of. Attractive. Attractive. Oh,

5:47

she's very attractive. Yeah, that is a

5:49

boomer word. Yeah. Like my dad will

5:51

say that. Attractive. Yeah. What's that mean?

5:54

Is it physical or is it personality or both?

5:57

It's everything. And I like it because I think it goes

5:59

beyond hot. Yeah, she's attractive. She

6:01

attracts people. Yeah, she's attractive, she's

6:03

magnetic. I like that. Meanwhile,

6:06

Keith is overthinking about overthinking. Keith is

6:08

drowning. He's drowning. He's drowning. We'll get

6:10

there. Keith is at the bottom of

6:13

the pool. So Joan

6:15

and Trista chat now, reliable

6:17

Trista. She's very versatile.

6:20

I mean, she can show up on Bachelorette,

6:22

Golden Bachelorette. I mean, what season can't she

6:24

show up? Oh, I mean, talk about like

6:27

she's been going for what, 20 years now? Yeah,

6:29

something like that. That's a good

6:31

milk. That's a good milk. Milk

6:34

is good and heavy. Strong teeth. Joan

6:36

wonders how to go all in. She's

6:38

struggling to just surrender herself to this.

6:40

And Trista says her biggest regret from

6:42

the experience was not sharing more. And

6:45

Trista reminds Joan that John, so Joan's

6:47

late husband would be happy that Joan

6:49

is happy. And then once again, we

6:52

get a taste of Joan's guilt. She

6:55

definitely carries a lot of

6:57

guilt. And I think that this is really

6:59

relatable and in a way, a lovely sentiment.

7:01

But I actually am starting to feel it

7:04

hold, not only Joan back, but the season

7:06

back. Yeah, and I totally get the guilt.

7:08

Oh, absolutely. I could put myself in her

7:10

shoes. I totally can imagine

7:12

what she's feeling. And it's very valid.

7:15

Yes. Extremely valid. Yes.

7:17

Yet it is detracting from the

7:19

show. I think so. To be

7:21

honest, I found this episode a little,

7:26

I don't know how to describe it. It wasn't like,

7:29

it was a beautiful episode in some ways. It

7:31

was touching in some ways, but it lacked a

7:33

kind of like punch that for me, I

7:37

feel I can only get from

7:39

a lead who I'm really feeling

7:41

is becoming deeply invested emotionally in

7:43

at least one relationship, if not

7:45

two or three to make things

7:47

really interesting. And while Joan will

7:49

say the words, she'll be like,

7:51

yeah, I can picture a future with him. She's

7:54

going through the motions. Do you think, I

7:56

feel harsh saying that. It's not an insult.

7:59

I'm not. I'm just saying that whether it's the

8:01

editing or not, it feels to me like Joan

8:03

is going through the motions. Yeah. She's

8:06

not emotionally like, she

8:09

doesn't wear her emotions on her sleeve the way say Gary did. Like

8:11

I feel like Golden Bachelor, one of the

8:14

things that made that season so powerful was

8:16

Gary was, he was impossible to tell. That's

8:18

why we were joking that he was like evil

8:20

and had bodies beneath his floorboards

8:23

because we really truly couldn't tell who

8:25

he was picking between two or three

8:27

women, which makes the show exciting. But

8:29

with Joan, it's almost like, I don't know if she

8:31

wants to pick anyone. That's how it feels to me.

8:34

It almost feels and I don't, again, nothing

8:36

against Joan. She's in a situation that's uncomfortable

8:39

and she has, she carries a lot of

8:41

guilt. I don't blame her, but

8:44

it almost feels like she's doing everyone a

8:46

favor by continuing through with this process. Oh,

8:48

I kind of know what you mean. It's

8:51

almost like I, well, I did sign up for this.

8:53

Yeah. I made my bed. I'm going to sleep in

8:55

it. Yeah. I'm an adult. I'm a responsible adult. I'm

8:57

going to go through this process, but

8:59

I don't get the feeling that she's like, I

9:02

am so lucky to be here. Like I can't

9:04

wait to find this person. She feels lucky. I

9:06

think she feels lucky for the experience. I

9:08

don't know if she feels lucky for the process. I don't

9:10

know if she feels lucky. Like, I like, I'm going to

9:12

find this person and I'm going to go with them and

9:14

I'm going to find love again. I

9:17

think it's more like, let me get through this the best

9:19

I can. And maybe in the end, who knows? Maybe

9:22

I will find love, but

9:24

I don't know if she's really embracing the goal right

9:26

now. Do you think there's a chance that they had

9:28

to convince Joan to be Golden Bachelorette? I actually think

9:30

there is a good chance. Yeah. I don't, I don't

9:32

think she jumped at it. Put it that way. Interesting.

9:36

Yeah. It's

9:39

starting to, for me, reach a

9:41

certain kind of head because I've

9:43

noticed early

9:45

on that I felt Joan was very like just reticent in the

9:47

role. And I think that it's

9:50

super relatable. Like in a way, I really love this

9:52

about her. I love how not like TV ready she

9:54

is. Like the way Gary was almost

9:56

to TV ready. It's like, who is this guy? Where

10:00

has he been? What movies has he secretly

10:02

been in kind of thing? Well, Joan is

10:04

so not a performer in that way. But

10:06

it's reaching a point now where like we're looking

10:09

at hometowns, like hometowns, like

10:11

this is, you know, purportedly going

10:13

to end with a proposal. I

10:16

just I've said for weeks

10:18

that I'm like, OK, well, OK, I haven't seen romance,

10:20

but, you know, I get that it's going to build.

10:22

I get that friendship comes first. It's reaching a point

10:24

where I'm like, really? Like guy

10:26

guy is getting a hometown. Like I just

10:28

doesn't I don't see romance anywhere. I agree.

10:31

And I think that a lot of it

10:33

is her guilt. Yeah, I think that she's

10:35

carrying a lot of it. And I think

10:37

especially since it's it's one thing of it's

10:39

behind closed doors. Yeah, she's going on dates

10:41

with guys. She's taking them home like she

10:44

could do whatever she wants. The guilt is

10:46

less public. Yeah. But she's in the public

10:48

eye now. Her guilt is not only internal,

10:50

it's external. She's being she feels probably like

10:52

she's being judged. Oh, you know, and it's

10:54

hard. That it's a tough situation. Yeah. And

10:56

and I feel for her. But I also

10:59

don't feel like the show is really as

11:01

good as it should be right now because

11:03

of her reticence. Yeah. No, I mean, I

11:06

agree. I agree. For me, that this is

11:08

the episode where I was sort of like,

11:11

Chugga chugga chugga. Exactly. Guy. And

11:13

I look, I do have guy

11:15

in my top. I

11:17

think I have a second now. Yeah, I

11:20

had him second last. OK. Have I ever

11:22

had a guy second who's got in this

11:24

little interaction of the romantic nature

11:26

with the lead? Yeah. Like I only have

11:29

guys second was it feels like guy should

11:31

be second. Agreed. Like for some reason, I

11:33

don't even know why. I know. He's

11:36

just the guy, you know, he's just the guy.

11:38

He's like good on paper. Yeah. I agree. Like

11:40

if I looked at the resumes without Joan being

11:43

involved, I'd be like, yeah, guys, number two. Totally.

11:45

No, that's what I'm still going off of. Truly.

11:48

And the only kernel we have,

11:50

the only real connection we feel.

11:53

And I say we, but I think everyone thinks

11:55

the same thing is chalk. Yes. Like if it

11:57

weren't for chalk, I'd feel like Joan is like.

12:00

I'm talking to a producer, she's like, listen to me, I'm gonna

12:02

get through this, but I just want you to know I'm not

12:04

down. This is not

12:06

working for me emotionally, and I'm gonna

12:08

get through this, because I agreed to do it, but I

12:10

want you to know I'm done. If it

12:12

weren't for Chuck, I would feel like that's

12:14

happened. Yes, thank God for Chuck. It's

12:17

a Chuck o'clock. It's Chuck o'clock, and we've

12:19

gotten some heat with her in

12:21

Chuck. Maybe she's just like, you

12:23

know what, it's Chuck, and I don't wanna

12:25

deal with anything else. Maybe Chuck is such

12:27

a front runner that she's done.

12:29

Yeah, she's maybe pulling a Claire Crawley. She's pulling

12:32

a Claire Crawley. Yeah, or she can't fake it,

12:34

which in a way I do respect, like I

12:36

kind of think that's great, but I'd almost wish

12:38

she'd go further, a la Claire Crawley. And you

12:40

know what, honestly, to be perfectly honest with you,

12:42

take a step further, as a

12:44

more mature woman, I would say that

12:46

that would be probably the course of

12:49

action. If you were, like

12:51

as a younger woman, it's kind of like, or

12:53

a younger man, or anyone who's a young person,

12:55

it's kind of like the game becomes the game.

12:58

Like you're like, I'll play the game. Let's play

13:00

the game, it's fun. As an older woman or

13:02

an older man, it's kind of like, you

13:05

know what, I like this guy, this is

13:07

weird. This is too weird. This is not

13:09

a thing I'm gonna do. I'm starting to

13:11

feel that, like she feels awkward about leading

13:13

anyone on. Like a good example, we'll

13:15

talk about it later, is her date with Keith,

13:18

where it just felt like, oh. It was rough. It

13:20

was so rough. And her date with Mark.

13:23

Oh, rough. This is a rough episode, actually.

13:25

Maybe the two are the roughest dates. Yeah,

13:27

okay, so at the mansion, Keith does get

13:29

that one-on-one date. They ride in a helicopter.

13:31

Also, can I just ask the question, why

13:33

Keith? Why is he getting a

13:35

one-on-one date? What have we seen of Keith?

13:37

She just had one really awkward conversation with

13:39

him recently. Yeah, well, it's the first impression.

13:41

He got the first impression rose, but nothing's

13:43

happened since then. Nothing. But he gets a

13:45

date, and we're supposed to. You're right, it

13:47

almost feels like required. In some ways, I

13:49

wish the show, and I say

13:52

this with a love, because I love that

13:55

this show does this. I love these golden

13:57

bachelor golden bachelor. I love the concept of

13:59

it, but I feel that they're... almost a

14:01

little too confined by their own structure. Because

14:04

to me, I think it's very obvious that

14:06

with Joan's personality, this week should

14:08

have been second one-on-ones only. I agree. She

14:10

should not have gone on a date with

14:13

Mark and she should not have gone on

14:15

a date with Keith. I completely agree. Period,

14:17

she should have been chalk and the other

14:19

person of her choosing, probably Guy, I suppose,

14:22

or Jordan. I would have loved to see

14:24

another one with either Jordan or Pascal or

14:26

Guy, just something so I could feel more

14:28

invested in the relationship. Instead, we watched just

14:30

awkwardness. Well, the thing about the show is

14:33

that it's wrong. There has

14:35

to be something wrong with all game shows. There's always

14:37

a problem. And the problem with the

14:39

bats or franchise is that the cuts aren't big

14:41

enough. In reality, if

14:43

this was like, this wasn't a show, you were

14:45

just like, okay, these are 27 guys that

14:48

I have to choose from, 24 of them, goodbye.

14:52

And now you have eight weeks of three guys at most.

14:54

I've been saying this for years, years, I've

14:56

been saying this. You've been saying this for years, it's

14:58

true. But since they don't do that, they have to

15:00

work around this construct and be like, oh, you have

15:02

to go on a date with this guy, even though

15:04

you don't really like him that much. That's

15:07

the problem. But the key thing, really the Keith and

15:09

the Mark, which we'll get to, really shone a light

15:12

on how ridiculous the construct

15:14

becomes if the lead has kind of written

15:16

off everybody else. 100%

15:18

and is not really good at faking it, which Joan is not.

15:21

Joan is not. Even their greeting in front

15:23

of the helicopter, it felt like it was the second

15:25

time they were ever meeting. You know, all of her

15:27

interactions feel like they feel a little

15:29

bit like work lunches. Yes.

15:32

Where you like it totally professional. You're like, sit down, you're like,

15:34

oh, hi, yeah. Oh, you work in human resources? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

15:36

yeah. Yeah, that was great. Oh yeah, there was something, there's a

15:38

reason why we're meeting today. So I wanted to talk about this

15:40

thing that had to do with it. So let's talk about that

15:42

fourth quarter report, you know. You say tell us a couple of

15:44

jokes, you talk about the weather, then you talk about the fourth

15:46

quarter report. Totally. And that's it. Yes. And

15:49

you have dessert and you're like, oh, so where are you going

15:51

now? Oh, I'm taking the subway. Oh, I'm taking the bus, okay,

15:53

bye. Friendly work, friendly, yes. And he may be a kiss. And

15:55

he's like, well, what are you kissing me for? We're having a

15:57

work lunch, take it easy. Speaking of

15:59

human resources. resources. So

16:03

Charlene, we're in Ireland and it's

16:05

a beautiful place. Beautiful place. Lovely

16:07

people. Decent food. Decent. It's fine.

16:11

Everyone said, everyone told me, they were like, Oh, no, no, no.

16:13

You think Irish food's not that great, but you'll see. And I

16:15

was like, No,

16:18

the ingredients are good. Restaurants

16:20

not great, but get to your point. I miss

16:23

badly my cozy earth sheets, pillowcases

16:25

and towels. Yes, we are in

16:27

a rental unit right now and

16:30

the bedsheets. No. You know, it's part of

16:33

life. Part of life. Is

16:35

to sleep in a nice bed

16:37

sheet. A third of life. A

16:39

third of your life. Temperature regulated,

16:41

soft, yet durable. Sustainable. Sustainable. That's

16:43

what cozy earth bedsheets are because

16:45

they're made from this goes from

16:47

bamboo, which does make them

16:49

more sustainable. But honestly, the durability to

16:51

softness ratio of their bedsheets just blows

16:53

my mind. Actually, all their items like

16:55

your pants too. You're wearing the joggers.

16:57

I also have the joggers now, by

16:59

the way, I bought the joggers and

17:01

I love them. It begs the question,

17:03

why haven't people been using bamboo for

17:05

everything? I think it was just not

17:07

done. I guess so. Yeah, but

17:09

cozy earth. They took the bull by the

17:12

horns and they're like, No, this fabric is

17:14

superior. And we're going to show you why

17:16

and they have. They've shown everyone why to

17:18

the point where they have been on Oprah's

17:20

favorite things list for different products for multiple

17:22

years in a row. I think out of

17:24

all of our sponsors, there's no other one

17:26

where when people do cave and end up

17:29

buying the cozy earth. Yeah, yeah. There were

17:31

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19:30

So they do the requisite

19:32

helicopter ride over the mansion

19:34

in order, I think,

19:36

to make Chuck jealous. Because

19:39

by the way, I think I've mentioned this before,

19:41

but producers around the mansion are like, Hey guys,

19:43

let's all go for a swim. Let's all be

19:45

outside. And then the guys are swimming. They're in

19:47

the pool. They're forced to be in the pool.

19:49

They're all swimming in the pool at the same

19:51

time that day. And then it's like, Oh, look

19:53

up into the sky. Who do you, who do

19:55

you think that is in that helicopter? You know,

19:57

this reminds me of, you know, the limes. you

19:59

get, something you get a lime and

20:01

there's no juice in it. Most

20:04

limes I get now. It's like you can

20:06

barely get any juice. In the States, because

20:08

here they are juicy and wonderful. The limes

20:11

here are excellent. Oh, go figure. Another thing

20:13

that's amazing in Ireland. Yes. But it's like

20:15

they're trying to juice a lime that has

20:18

no juice in it of drama. Yes. That's

20:20

it. They're trying to just one drop of

20:22

drama out of this dry lime. Yes. And

20:24

there's nothing. Yeah. Well, Choc is the closest

20:27

thing to get it. Choc is that one

20:29

sad drip you get out of a dry

20:31

lime. Well,

20:34

because he is so invested in her. He's invested

20:36

in the drama is like what him being like

20:39

a little curmudgeonly about slightly barely and not even

20:41

I don't even think it really, he really was.

20:43

It was just the camera held on his face.

20:45

And after a second of a camera being on

20:47

your face, anyone would look kind of like, huh,

20:49

maybe he just wanted to get out of the

20:51

pool. It's incredible. Honestly, I feel like productions probably

20:53

ask cast members to just go up to someone

20:55

and punch them in the face. So

20:58

Keith says he's on cloud like 11

21:02

and they go to a winery to

21:04

do a wine tasting. And

21:07

OK, here's the question. Do we

21:09

think how cynical are we? Do

21:11

we think that the powers that

21:14

be knew that

21:16

the couple owning this winery have been married

21:18

for 32 years, which is the exact number

21:20

of years that Joan was married to John?

21:23

Yes. You think they knew that? They did.

21:27

You know, it's possible that they found that out

21:29

and were like deciding between two or three wineries

21:31

and they're like, oh, that's that's the one. How

21:34

long is that couple been married? Yeah, it's a

21:36

little weird to like pick the winery based on

21:38

how long the couple has been married. I'm

21:42

not sure how that happened, but I think part

21:44

of it had to do with how long they've been married.

21:46

You think that it was not a coincidence that Joan asked

21:48

the couple how many years they've been married, which by the

21:50

way, I don't go around asking couples that. And I'll be

21:52

honest with you. Especially not on a first real date. Also,

21:55

be honest, I'm not 100 percent sure they were married for

21:57

32 years. They look pretty young. Also,

21:59

they didn't. look like, I

22:02

don't know, there was something about this couple. Maybe they weren't even married.

22:05

They may have not even known each other. This

22:07

couple, they were an interesting choice. I

22:10

think they were chosen for their 32 year marriage. I

22:12

think you're probably right. And I say that because they

22:14

weren't really like that charismatic. No, no.

22:16

They kind of didn't have... It's like how long

22:18

have you been married? And she was like 32

22:20

years. Like okay, get out of here. She was

22:22

a little cold. They were a little cold in

22:24

my opinion for this particular role. So they basically

22:26

went around California trying to find a couple that

22:28

owned a winery. They were married for 32 years.

22:32

Okay. Do we really think they wouldn't go that far? Or

22:35

wineries reached out and said, look, I know that you're

22:37

looking for dates for this season. We

22:39

happen to have been married for 32 years, which happens

22:41

to be the same number of years. We did a

22:43

little digging. Oh, that's so sick. No, thanks for looking

22:45

out. So sick. All right. Yeah. Anyway,

22:48

I don't think it was a... Okay, who cares? It's

22:51

true. It's true. It's

22:53

not our fault. It's not our fault. We're just reporting

22:55

the news. This is the news. We

22:57

have a very morose orchestral

23:00

score playing as Mark sort

23:02

of putters around the mansion

23:05

and saying he's losing hope. And

23:08

then he opens up to Pascal and Jordan in what

23:10

I think is one of the most touching scenes of

23:12

this episode. And it's sort of a hidden camera. You

23:14

notice that? It doesn't feel like they are aware that

23:16

cameras are on them. But he tells

23:19

them that Denise would stand

23:21

with her hand open feeding hummingbirds.

23:24

And he has since sort of seen a hummingbird

23:26

as being her. And then he saw a hummingbird

23:28

that morning, which is kind of... I mean, a

23:30

hummingbird is a lot rarer than a butterfly. Can

23:32

we talk just for a second? Can we just

23:34

take a break? Not to diss the butterfly. No,

23:36

butterflies are amazing. But can we just talk about

23:38

hummingbirds for one second? Yeah. To

23:41

give the respect that they are owed. A hummingbird. One

23:43

of the most incredible animals on earth. Yes.

23:46

Hummingbird heart beats over a

23:48

thousand times a minute. Unbelievable.

23:50

Flaps its wings 70 times a second.

23:57

That sounds exhausting. They have to

23:59

eat constantly. eat half their weight

24:01

a day minimum every day. They

24:03

can fly hundreds of miles in

24:05

one clip. They can fly backwards.

24:08

The only bird in the world, they

24:11

can't walk. They can't walk. Their

24:13

legs are too spindly. They can

24:15

barely support their own weight. So they're forced

24:17

to use those wings 24 seven

24:20

to do anything. Forced to use their wings 24

24:22

seven. Their brain is

24:24

more a percentage of their weight than

24:27

any other wild bird. So they're smart

24:29

and they have the most anxious physical

24:31

makeup of any animal on earth. Oh,

24:33

this just sounds horrible. It sounds like

24:35

a nightmare, but they are the most

24:37

spectacular little animal. And this is what,

24:39

what else I want you to imagine.

24:42

Imagine a baby hummingbird. Oh,

24:45

okay. That's going to give Ruby a run for

24:47

her money in terms of cuteness. A baby hummingbird.

24:49

That's not, this comes out of the size of

24:51

like a little like a jumping bean. I

24:54

know what I'm Googling after this. Yeah, we should really

24:56

do this. I'm excited. I

24:58

find the fact that they can't walk to be

25:00

particularly tragic. Yeah. Their legs are like, it's like,

25:02

it's like two, not even a toothpick. A toothpick

25:04

would be like a stump compared to their legs.

25:07

They're incredible. They fly backwards and up

25:09

left, right. That's a illusion gone too

25:11

far. Just because you're so good at

25:13

flying doesn't mean that you should lose

25:15

the functionality of your legs. Yeah.

25:18

Hummingbirds got a rough deal, but also

25:20

amazing. Amazing. Yes. Okay. Wow. Thank you,

25:22

Andy. It's basically a bug. Oh,

25:25

Andy, we should have a segment. This

25:27

should have a name, this segment. Yeah.

25:29

Andy's Nature Talk. Okay. I

25:31

think we could think of something better than that, but

25:33

I'm with it. Who's on the spot. Okay. So here

25:35

we get WordWatch1. Jordan says

25:38

that's amazing. To

25:40

Mark's hummingbird encounter. And

25:43

Mark tells him that it has lifted

25:45

a weight off his shoulders. He feels

25:47

good. He thinks he's doing the right

25:49

thing by being there at the mansion.

25:51

So he saw it as a sign

25:53

that he's where he should be. And

25:55

actually, I think it was a sign

25:57

personally. And I also think that he

25:59

really should have been there because I

26:01

think. that this experience, speaking of the

26:03

experience over like finding love thing, this

26:05

is what this was about for him.

26:08

Because can you imagine Mark just being

26:10

thrown in the deep end as Golden

26:12

Bachelor, which I feel like it was

26:14

what America wanted. I think that would

26:16

have been actually really messed up. Traumatic.

26:18

He is not ready. And I

26:20

think that I can picture a world in which

26:22

he would agree to it and

26:24

it being a very difficult

26:27

experience. I actually think Mark,

26:30

had it not been for the fact that

26:32

he was the father of a

26:34

winner of a previous season. I don't

26:36

think that if he had applied for

26:38

the show, he would have been picked.

26:40

Interesting. I agree. I don't think he's

26:42

like, he's not the material. He's not.

26:44

And it's so interesting because he looks.

26:48

He's a movie star. I mean, he's a movie star.

26:50

Yes. But he looks and he sort of acts the

26:53

part. He carries himself with a lot of confidence, quiet

26:55

confidence, but he's not this show person.

26:57

He's not for this show. And I

26:59

really see, honestly, I feel like Mark

27:01

has aged during the show. No, I

27:04

don't mean that. No, it's not a bad thing. Okay.

27:06

Oh, like matured. Aged. Let's hear how you turn this

27:13

into a good thing. Okay.

27:17

No, I mean, it's been a rough go

27:19

for him. Yeah. I think it's been really

27:22

emotionally a lot. But also a beautiful thing.

27:24

Like I think his friendships with the men,

27:26

how he's cried. I was watching

27:28

him talk to those

27:30

guys and I got a sense

27:32

that he's been a family man

27:35

for so long. He's got five children and

27:37

he's been raising them alone for the last.

27:39

The five children? Five. Really? And I forgot

27:41

how many years since Denise died, I think

27:44

six years. Three of his own and how

27:46

was he? Five children. He has five children?

27:48

I thought it was five. Am I wrong?

27:51

Five? Am I wrong? Really? I thought it was three.

27:53

I think you might be right. I think it's four

27:55

actually. I think we're all thrown. Okay. Well, the Shandys

27:57

will tell us because they tell us all. But. But

28:01

I got the sense that he

28:03

is, you know, the

28:05

strong father figure. He's

28:07

there for his kids and he's probably an amazing

28:09

dad and he's had to really hold up the

28:11

weight of everything on his own. And

28:15

I don't picture him having like guy

28:17

friends that he's like confiding in. I

28:19

agree. With his emotions in this way. I

28:21

agree. Yeah. And

28:23

he's been a lifelong military guy.

28:25

Yes. And he forces

28:27

you to, to some degree, to suppress your

28:29

emotions. Tough. Tough situation for

28:32

Mark. Yeah. And this has been

28:34

a lot for him. Yeah. And I

28:36

don't know if he's fully ready for this.

28:38

Well, I mean, I agree with what Joan

28:40

says later personally. Yeah. He needs

28:42

some time. Yeah. But this was a

28:45

good, this is a little bit of a baptism by fire, but this was

28:47

a good way for him to step out. Yes. And

28:49

see the world. And I think good things are going

28:51

to come for him. But you can see in this

28:53

episode that Mark is like a fish out of water

28:55

to some degree. In the most complimentary

28:57

way. Yes. In an endearing

28:59

way, especially with he's so beloved by the other

29:01

man. And it was brought us to tears. This

29:03

speech you gave about the, about the hummingbird. Well

29:05

now that Charles L has gone, it was Mark

29:07

who made me cry in this episode. So back

29:10

on the date, we get word watch to Joan

29:12

toasts to them saying cheers to an amazing day.

29:15

And already it's just so, it's so cringe. Can

29:17

I say that? And

29:19

I say this with love because I think Keith

29:22

is absolutely lovely. I think Joan is absolutely lovely.

29:24

No one is not lovely. I'm not criticizing these

29:26

humans, but it's just cringy. He

29:28

cheers saying he hopes

29:30

to show her another side

29:32

today. Oh, Andy,

29:34

you said he's all thumbs. Even

29:37

this, it felt so like apologetic.

29:39

I'll show you another side. Let me, it's like

29:42

when you go into a store, like a salesman

29:44

who's like, it's like, oh, I don't really like,

29:46

oh, let me show you. I got something in

29:48

the back. Yeah. Yeah.

29:51

Yeah. It's not out here. We're

29:53

not showing you. I go to a shop and I try

29:55

something on and I

29:57

don't like it. And the person's like, well, we have it

29:59

in a. another color or we have it from this other

30:02

brand or blah blah blah. I'm like, get me out of

30:04

here. The second they say it once, I'm like, get me

30:06

out of here. One out

30:08

of 100 times are you like, oh, actually, like

30:10

I would like to try that on. Or like

30:12

a telemarker who's got the script. You're like, oh,

30:14

I really I'm not interested. Like, well, we have

30:16

a lot of people who aren't interested. Yeah. For

30:18

those people, we have this thing. And you're like,

30:21

wait a minute. I'm interested in any of this.

30:23

Yeah. No, but but we have anything you want.

30:25

Anything you need. You just you want him to

30:27

just show the other side of himself, not talk

30:29

about not hoping that he'll show her the other

30:31

side of himself. It really showed that Keith,

30:34

I think has been out of the dating game for a

30:37

while. And I say this with affection. I think a lot

30:39

of them are. But I almost

30:41

feel that Keith getting the first

30:43

impression rose was not a good

30:45

thing for him. Absolutely. He

30:47

got a big head, but he didn't know. But I don't think

30:49

he got a big head. I think he was just like he

30:51

kind of came in not expecting anything. But I don't think he

30:53

wanted a big head. You pick head was

30:56

forced on him. I don't think he got a big

30:58

head, though. But he did. I think he messed with

31:00

his head. Right. But his head was enlarged. Oh,

31:02

I don't know if it was enlarged. It was just

31:04

messed with. It was like discombobulated. I think he came

31:07

in being like, I'm going to have a funny thing

31:09

on a lark. This show, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Oh,

31:11

I like I want to sit on this on the

31:14

front of my station wagon and bring a

31:16

bottle of wine to the beach. And suddenly

31:18

he's he's like the leader. Yes. Suddenly he's

31:20

one to watch. And he's like, I don't

31:22

know how to court this woman. He was

31:24

he was. Well, you're right. It's not a

31:26

big head. He was the fuddled. Yeah, I

31:28

like the fuddled. The fuddled.

31:31

I'll take it. He reveals that he

31:33

and his family haven't spoken to his

31:35

ex wife in 10 to 12 years. And

31:39

the only medicine for addiction is the internal

31:41

self. I thought this was really well, very,

31:43

you know, it's landed.

31:46

But yeah, this

31:48

conversation, you know, so we go into it with

31:50

her being like, oh, I know Keith is fun,

31:53

but I'm hoping that there's more substance here. And

31:55

then we this is the substance we get, which

31:57

frankly, I don't want

31:59

to suggest we already knew. this information, but we

32:01

did know that he, you know, pulled himself out

32:03

of that marriage, you know, because he was

32:06

concerned about his the safety of his daughters and

32:08

blah, blah, blah. I just felt

32:10

like it was more about his backstory

32:12

and like the, the tragedy

32:14

that he has endured and not, there was

32:16

no, I didn't feel connection. And then all

32:19

of a sudden they were like kind of

32:21

kissing like in these wine fields and I

32:23

was just like, make it stop. And you

32:25

know, to go to bat for Joan for

32:27

a second, like she's not

32:29

having a connection with so many

32:31

guys, but yet she's forced to

32:33

kind of play, play the game.

32:36

And so because of that, we're

32:38

not really seeing Jones personality. We're

32:41

seeing her like nervous energy, kind of like, how

32:43

do I navigate this weird situation? Like I'm not

32:45

really into this guy, but I'm supposed to be

32:47

into this guy. I'm on TV. I'm guilty. So

32:49

we're not seeing real Joan. The only time I

32:51

feel like I've seen Joan, and this says a

32:54

lot, but we know Chuck's winning now is when

32:56

she's curled up on the couch of the bowling

32:58

day, which we'll get to when she's sort of

33:00

sitting there with her knees up, like a little

33:02

girl next to Chuck. I was like, that's Joan.

33:05

Joan is there now. Even that I was struggling with

33:07

that. But she's next to Chuck. That's the guy she

33:09

likes. But

33:12

she was like completely turned away from him and like

33:14

curled up in a ball. It didn't feel like she

33:16

was leaning into him, but I think it is because

33:18

she was conscious of the other men being there. I

33:20

just felt like she was just chilling out. I mean,

33:22

I do agree with the point you're making, which is

33:24

that, you know, we talk

33:26

about being in the presence of someone

33:28

who brings out your best self. We talked about that last

33:31

week. And I think it was

33:33

Eli Harwood in our episode about attachment

33:35

styles. I loved how she used this

33:37

term, limbic resonance. So how when you

33:39

talk to someone who is the same,

33:41

like you're on the same wavelength, it's

33:43

like a limbic resonance and you're both

33:45

like lighting up. Your brains

33:47

are lighting up. We're seeing that happen with

33:49

her so little. And I think combined with

33:52

the fact that she is harboring guilt over

33:54

doing this at all, I think doesn't make

33:56

for, I think the shiniest sparkliest version. of

33:58

her, which I do think exists. I bet

34:00

you if we like met Joan, we sat

34:02

down, we had like a lunch with Joan.

34:05

Oh, we'd love her. We've all been there.

34:07

We've all been there on a date with

34:10

someone and you know in the first five minutes,

34:12

this is going nowhere. Yeah. But how soon can

34:14

you get away with ending a date? Because you

34:16

don't want to be rude. Yeah. Well, imagine like

34:19

one day you had like speed dates,

34:21

but speed dates were each two hours,

34:24

not five minutes. And it went

34:26

all day. You woke up all day

34:29

till one in the morning. That's rough. And you

34:31

had to stick through it. You couldn't leave. So

34:33

what's the soonest you've ever ended a date, knowing

34:35

in the first five minutes that there was nothing

34:37

there? I was terrible at this. I

34:39

always feel like it was disrespectful to

34:41

end the date early. Okay. I

34:43

would just stick it out and kind of

34:46

be like kind of looking around, like

34:48

avoiding like heavy eye contact. Yeah.

34:50

Seeming like I was kind

34:53

of, you know, distracted. Yeah. And then

34:55

eventually be like, all right, well, what

34:57

do you say? What

34:59

do you say? Nice

35:03

meeting you. I

35:06

would honestly, what would happen is I would just

35:08

get really awkward. Okay. Same. Yeah. I

35:10

would just be like, this is, I don't know what

35:12

to do with my hands. I don't understand my head.

35:14

Yeah. And eventually I think the, you know, the person

35:16

I was with would get the hint and, you know,

35:18

there'd be a mutual understanding. We got the check and

35:20

be done with it. Okay. I

35:22

was terrible at that. You know what? There's

35:25

certain things that I've never learned how to

35:27

do in my life. And now I will

35:29

never learn because I'm married to you. I

35:31

will never learn how to gracefully end any

35:34

relationship, whether it's five

35:36

seconds or a year. I'm

35:39

not good at it. And well, I don't think anyone's good

35:41

at it. That's sort of the thing. If you're good at

35:43

that, that's messed up. You know who I think is good

35:45

at that? Psychos. You know who I think is good at

35:47

that? From this cast? Guess. Oh,

35:49

ending things quickly? Yeah. Oh, who's on

35:52

the cast now? Yeah. Still on the cast? Yes. Okay.

35:55

Da, da, da, da, da,

35:58

da, da, da.

36:00

Ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta. Guy? No.

36:05

Oh, you know what's good at it? What's

36:08

his name? The guy I didn't have in

36:10

my top four. Jordan? Yeah.

36:13

That's not who I think. I

36:15

think Jordan's probably awkward. Oh, Pascal. Yeah.

36:18

Oh, of course, Pascal. Oh, that

36:20

sounds very sorry. But

36:23

this is a... This is not working for

36:25

me. This is not working. We're on the

36:27

furbils. Okay, goodbye. You'll stay friends. Goodbye, I

36:29

leave. I think Pascal is expert level at

36:32

ending things quickly. He ends it so quick,

36:35

and all you think about for the rest

36:37

of your life is Pascal. The whole thing

36:39

is kind of funny, isn't it? The fact

36:41

that you spend time with another human hoping

36:43

to maybe make this connection that you're gonna

36:45

become each other's soulmates, and instead you're not

36:48

into each other, but you don't know how to tell each

36:50

other this. It's kind of hurtful information, but you both are

36:52

probably feeling the same way. It's just a funny dynamic. It's

36:54

a weird thing. It's a funny thing. You

36:57

both know. You can read each other's minds. It's

37:00

like there's this subtext conversation going on. You're like,

37:02

yeah, we don't like each other, but we're not

37:04

gonna say it. Who's gonna say it first? No

37:06

one's gonna say it. We're just gonna slowly walk

37:08

into the bushes. Yes, Homer Simpson's

37:10

stuff. Okay, so going on this group date,

37:12

our guy Jordan, Jonathan Pascal, and chalk, meaning

37:15

Mark, will be getting that one-on-one date, and

37:17

it was so cute how Pascal got up

37:19

and hugged him. I

37:21

don't know if I would have expected these two

37:24

to be the closest friends, like best friends in

37:26

the house. I don't know, it's sort of unexpected

37:28

for some reason. I totally agree. I like Pascal.

37:30

Pascal's really grown on me more than I expected

37:32

him to. You know, I

37:34

had a moment last night watching this episode where

37:36

I decided, so last week we said that we

37:38

thought Guy could be Golden Bachelor, and

37:41

then we heard unfortunate news that made

37:43

it kind of impossible, but also I

37:46

no longer think that for a variety of

37:48

reasons, I think it could be Pascal. I

37:50

think you're right. Think about it. He's the

37:52

right age. He's got the look. He's got

37:54

the personality. He could carry a

37:57

season. Oh, totally. I like him. Yeah.

38:00

Pascal in this episode that wasn't just him

38:02

being debonair, it was like him being a

38:04

likable guy around the house. And

38:06

I was like, Oh my God, I think Pascal

38:08

is the next bachelor. And I did think it

38:11

was guy until the news came out. Yeah. And

38:13

it's not, but to be honest, it's not only

38:15

the news that makes me think it's not guy.

38:17

The more I think, but I just don't think

38:20

guy is suave enough. It's Jonathan Pascal.

38:22

Jonathan's too young. Jonathan's

38:24

too young. I think Jordan's too young. That's right.

38:26

It's cheating. I think if a guy's 60, 61,

38:29

I'm sorry, he's not golden bachelor. You're absolutely right. Pascal's the

38:31

guy. He's 69 years old. He's

38:33

the oldest one there. Yeah. He's close to

38:35

being Gary's age. I mean, three years away.

38:38

Pascal's the next bachelor. I mean,

38:40

I would watch that. That would be a

38:42

show. That would

38:44

be a show. Yes. You'd get to

38:46

see Pascal love and break up

38:49

with women. We

38:52

could all learn from his artistry. I

38:54

also think he'd be really good at

38:56

sort of playing the field and

39:00

basically keeping us off the scent. We'd be hard

39:02

to know who he was really into. I'm going

39:04

to say something else. That fantasy suite would be

39:06

a heavy week. I mean,

39:08

Pascal would be ripping in. Yeah. No, he knows

39:10

what he's doing. Okay.

39:12

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39:14

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43:21

men all think they're bowling based on the group

43:23

day card and they end up being right. We

43:25

get a cute discussion about how banged up they

43:27

all are from kickball. And now

43:29

the bowling thing turns out Pascal has only

43:31

ever bowled once. Yeah. I was

43:33

actually shocked by this. France doesn't do a lot

43:35

of bowling. So bowling is like a North American

43:38

thing. I think it is. Yeah. Anyway, everyone is

43:40

pretty decent at this, like really

43:42

decent. Really good bowlers. And chalk,

43:44

this is the one point of

43:46

drama. It's like really weak. This

43:48

chalk strategizes. He's on Jones

43:50

team. He whispers in her ear.

43:52

Can I just take you home

43:54

with me? He asks what side

43:56

of the bed she sleeps on.

43:58

And the men seem to notice.

44:00

And then when Joan goes up

44:02

to do her turn, Guy directly

44:04

whispers to Chuck, Chuck, give her

44:06

some time with these others. Oh,

44:08

drama. He

44:11

says it with like a big friendly grin. Yeah, I

44:13

know. I actually liked that Guy

44:15

did this. Yeah, me too. I like this about Guy.

44:18

Guy is very much like the

44:20

fair is fair. Absolutely. And Jonathan

44:22

now has someone at one time,

44:25

turns out his mother was on a show

44:27

called Bowling for Dollars. I remember that show.

44:29

Do you? Vaguely. So what happens?

44:31

You bowl really well and you win money? Bowl

44:33

for dollars. You bowl for dollars. Yeah, exactly. The

44:36

name is very accurate. He shows some old photos,

44:38

photos of him with his kids. I mean, Jonathan's

44:40

such a sweetheart, but I will

44:42

say this was starting to lose its romantic feel,

44:45

the spark that was barely ever

44:48

there to begin with. Pascal has one-on-one

44:50

time, but even this felt formal to

44:52

me. Jordan's one-on-one time, to me, felt

44:54

slightly more familiar, like a slightly more

44:56

like, oh, maybe we've, maybe

44:58

been romantically interested in each other for this. Possibly.

45:01

We may have made out one night at a

45:03

party. It's kind of weak. It's kind of weak,

45:05

isn't it? It's very weak. Guy

45:08

has one-on-one time. He says there's

45:10

one variable that's constant and that's

45:12

her. He hasn't been this happy

45:14

in years. And in his ITM, he says it's the

45:16

first time since his marriage, he feels like he could

45:18

be falling in love. And even though this, I feel

45:21

like was supposed to have a big impact, I

45:24

was kind of like, why? Yeah,

45:26

why? What has happened? We

45:29

didn't see anything. Did we see something? No, I

45:31

was just gonna tell Maiton, who did we fall

45:33

asleep? This, to me, just kind of,

45:35

I kept getting lost in this episode. And I don't

45:37

want to be, I want to love this show and

45:39

I really, I have been loving it. I don't mean

45:42

to make it sound like I don't

45:44

like this show anymore, but

45:46

it almost feels like there's too much

45:48

left on the cutting room floor from

45:50

a storytelling perspective for him to suddenly

45:52

be like, there's one variable, there's one

45:54

constant, it's you. I can picture myself,

45:57

blah, blah, blah. Like just

45:59

last week, we saw. them like barely share a peck

46:01

in her kitchen. You know, I think at this

46:03

point in production knows what they're doing. I don't

46:06

think they've been given anything. I just

46:08

don't think it's there to cut or

46:10

not. That's totally possible. Chalk with Joan.

46:12

They talk about going home to an

46:14

empty home when in the past you've

46:16

had a full home. So

46:18

like all family around. And I thought

46:20

this was really, this really hit. Yeah.

46:22

This, this does seem sad. Yeah. Really.

46:24

I was thinking about that. I was

46:26

really trying to fill those shoes and

46:28

that seems very, very glum. Yes. To

46:30

have had a taste of it and

46:32

to have then lost it. This is

46:34

heartbreaking. I never really thought about that

46:36

much. Yeah. Me neither. Them

46:39

verbalizing this was actually helpful for me

46:41

and it really just hit home. It

46:43

just seems really sad. And she says

46:45

she has wondered if it's selfish to

46:47

want that twice in one life. Chalk

46:50

says he sees a beautiful future for them.

46:52

He sees them together. She says she sees

46:54

a future with him and it's been obvious

46:56

for a while. They kiss. And I mean,

46:58

what, who can beat this guy? No,

47:01

he's coming even close. It

47:03

gets almost boring because it's so obvious.

47:05

You know what I think it's possible

47:07

that there has been more romantic

47:10

fireworks between the two of them, but editors decided

47:12

not to do it. I think that's possible because

47:14

it's too much. Yeah. They don't have anything else.

47:17

Yeah. You think they wouldn't put something in

47:19

with Guy or Pascal that was like really

47:21

like, Oh my God, look at these two.

47:23

No, they don't have it. Yeah. And they

47:25

have it with chalk and they're choosing not

47:27

to put it down. Playing it. Yeah. There

47:30

are no roses on this date now. And

47:32

I thought a lot of criticism for the

47:34

show in this recap. But personally, I think

47:36

that this was the date where there should

47:38

have been one rose to give away because

47:40

I know in the past, like for my

47:42

season, for example, there were no roses on

47:44

the final one on ones going into hometowns.

47:47

But there was one rose given away on

47:49

the group date. And I think that rose

47:51

makes things very interesting. It makes

47:53

people kind of like get kind of like ants in their

47:55

pants. And I think that there

47:57

should have been a rose on this group

47:59

date personally. That's my personal opinion. Oh, just

48:01

saying. So Mark now gets this one on

48:04

one, lots of build up. And it's cute

48:06

how the men all whistle at him dressed

48:08

up and dressed up is really not better.

48:10

Mark, I will say, sartorially speaking, I

48:13

think could benefit from a friendship with Pascal. Yes.

48:15

And I say this with love. Yes.

48:18

Like we've discussed, I think he's been busy

48:20

parenting, but I Mark could be like like

48:23

a full blown stud. Oh,

48:25

my God. And I think he almost dresses

48:27

the way he feels about himself. Like he

48:29

has low confidence. Yeah. You think

48:31

that guy would have all the confidence in

48:34

the world? Yeah. But I think he carries

48:36

himself with low confidence. And it's and

48:38

it's sad. I find his story

48:41

to be really tragic, but it's not like he

48:43

was left. It's not like his

48:45

wife was like, oh, you're you know what I

48:47

mean? It sounds like they had a beautiful love.

48:49

I don't know. He carries himself like someone who's

48:51

been rejected a lot. You know what I think

48:53

he is is I think he's sad. Yeah,

48:56

I think Mark is very sad. And

48:58

I feel I feel bad for him. And it

49:01

doesn't almost feel like the men seem to know

49:03

this about him. Like they almost seem to understand

49:05

that he's sad. Yeah, he needs a lift. They're

49:07

all like, oh, look at our boy all grown

49:09

up. Yeah. And Pascal's like, you have a beautiful

49:12

smile. You should keep smiling. Like, oh, my God,

49:14

how sweet. He's such a sympathetic character. He really

49:16

is. And the guys are so

49:18

nice. And it's really nice to see. Yeah,

49:20

especially Pascal. Oh, the whole

49:22

Pascal Mark thing. It's almost

49:24

like he's his son. Did you get that

49:27

feeling like like Mark's Pascal son? Yes. So

49:31

Joan takes Mark in a red convertible

49:34

while in her ITM. Joan says that they

49:36

haven't gotten there yet. They're still formal with

49:38

each other. This actually reminded me in these

49:40

case shows that I watch. There was talk

49:43

about like, should we be formal

49:45

with each other? Like we're stopping formal with each

49:47

other. Like there's a different. It's very regimented. Like

49:50

it would change how you speak to each other. Interesting.

49:52

I guess it's like to and who in French or

49:54

something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I still am not under

49:56

a hundred percent sure what's going on with two and

49:58

vu. Well, you

50:00

say true if you're really... Yeah, but what

50:02

does it even mean? Informal versus formal. What

50:04

about a stranger? Do you call a stranger

50:06

vous? Yeah, I think. So why is it

50:08

formal with a stranger? Oh, was it... You

50:11

don't know each other. You don't know each other. Yeah.

50:13

So informal, oh right, I got it wrong. You got

50:15

it wrong. Yeah, I was thinking more of

50:17

like a sign of respect. Like if

50:19

you're talking if, like let's say, like I know your

50:21

mother very well, but I wouldn't call your mother too,

50:23

would I? I think there comes

50:25

a point where maybe you would. Yeah. I

50:28

don't know. It's weird. I find it interesting

50:30

that English doesn't have that because I would

50:32

think English would have that. Yeah. Out

50:35

of all the idiosyncrasies that a language can have.

50:38

Anyway, they ride in a

50:41

yacht, on a yacht. Your on a

50:43

yacht. On a beautiful yacht. And

50:45

after the excitement of being on

50:47

a yacht subsides, they proceed to

50:50

sit in virtual silence. Yeah.

50:53

Sad yacht. It was rough. Yeah.

50:57

Let me see a shot of Joan like

50:59

throwing back her champagne and checking

51:01

to see if he's had more of his. Oh.

51:04

Oh God, these two. Mark

51:06

is super nice, but Andy, as

51:08

you put it, he feels emotionally

51:10

diluted. Yeah. What's interesting

51:12

about Mark is, I

51:15

actually, that emotional dilution reminds

51:17

me a little bit of Joey. And I

51:20

say this with love, because we love Joey

51:22

as bachelor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think

51:24

it's interesting that Kelsey, Mark's daughter went for

51:26

Joey. Yeah. Who I think

51:28

shares a similarity. Similar vibe. With, yeah.

51:31

Joey just doesn't have the heartbreak. No,

51:34

he hasn't been as like. He hasn't

51:36

been through it. Yes, in the same

51:38

way that Mark. Yeah, he's younger. It's

51:40

a very interesting thing you say. He

51:43

carries a similar sort of low self

51:45

esteem or

51:47

self worth with him that I feel Mark

51:49

carries. And Kelsey meanwhile is

51:51

a bright light. Like Kelsey, I

51:53

think lifts up those around her.

51:56

And I think I said last week or

51:58

the week before that I felt that Mark

52:00

and Joey, are too similar and that they're

52:02

both people that need someone else to kind

52:04

of be the bright light for them. And

52:06

I feel that way even more now after

52:08

seeing this date. They need

52:11

someone out. They need like a

52:13

breath of fresh air in their

52:15

lives. You ever been in a

52:17

group of three people where everyone's

52:19

getting along and it's great and the dynamics great

52:21

and then one person leaves and the two people

52:24

are left and they're just like... I have 100%

52:26

been in that situation. And it's

52:28

shocking. You know I once went

52:31

on a date in high

52:33

school with a guy who in

52:35

a dynamic of three or more was

52:38

that he was that person

52:40

like he was sort of like so fun and exciting. And

52:42

then he asked me on a date and I was like yeah I'll go

52:44

on a date with you. Then we went on a date was just the

52:46

two of us and it was like... Oh

52:49

yeah. He feeds off the crowd. Wow.

52:55

That's amazing. How do you do that? Is that tongue?

52:57

Yeah. Yeah your horse is the only thing that's better.

53:03

Anyway that date was really like I

53:05

realized how different people can

53:07

be in a different dynamic and with different

53:09

parties and one-on-one sometimes is like... Yeah some

53:12

people feed off the crowd. They need the

53:14

crowd. Yes. Okay so in the scavenger hunt

53:16

they have to say never have I ever.

53:18

She says she's never seen the northern lights

53:21

and he says he's never woken up in

53:23

the middle of the night to feed a baby. First

53:26

of all I give them points for the

53:28

most random things they've never seen or done.

53:30

Yeah. What's with those two things? I don't

53:32

know my takeaway from that was that men

53:34

have it easy. First of all also what's

53:36

I've never seen the northern lights. That's

53:38

got to be the most boring answer to this question ever.

53:40

The whole point of never is

53:42

like I've never done something like weird. Yeah.

53:44

Or sexual. Or something that I should have

53:46

done. Or something that I should have done.

53:48

Yes. Not seeing the northern lights. It's like

53:51

I've never ever you know won the lottery.

53:53

Yeah never have I ever should be like

53:55

yeah never have I ever seen the godfather.

53:57

Right. Like

54:00

what? You've never seen a Godfather? It has

54:02

to be embarrassing. I've never seen a Northern

54:04

Lights. Like, yeah, welcome to the crowd. Like

54:06

nine out of 10 people haven't seen a

54:08

Northern Lights. Who cares? I will say it

54:10

didn't create much of a conversation star because

54:12

he was like, hmm, like, neither have I.

54:14

Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Northern Lights. Very hard

54:16

to see these days. And they talk about

54:18

saying, I love you first. Who would say

54:20

it first? And they both are like, oh,

54:23

I would probably say it second. This is

54:25

one of the worst days I've ever seen.

54:27

This is so rough. It's so rough. And

54:29

I feel bad saying that because they're

54:31

both such lovable human beings. I feel

54:33

bad for Mark. I don't feel bad.

54:36

I felt more bad for Joan. She's working

54:39

so hard on this day. This is the

54:41

job she's chosen. Oh, Joan was working her

54:43

ass off. She was working her ass off.

54:45

She was working harder than she's ever worked

54:47

before on this date. She really was working.

54:49

He says this experience has given him the

54:51

confidence to have the self-confidence to continue. Andy,

54:54

you said I think he's drunk. He's a little

54:56

drunk. I think that's what he needed. But

54:59

even alcohol doesn't really bring him to life.

55:01

No, this was dead from the beginning. The

55:04

only thing that really brings him to life

55:06

is talking about Denise. And it's really heartbreaking.

55:08

You see him just sort of spark. He

55:11

opens up. He gets

55:13

that glint in his eye talking about remembering

55:16

his wife, honestly. And

55:19

he tells her the hummingbird story, which

55:21

she really loves. But even this,

55:23

I felt like I would

55:26

have liked for Joan at this moment to

55:28

have shared the thing about the hawk. Remember

55:30

she saw a hawk on her date with

55:32

Jonathan? Oh, right, right, right. To me, just

55:35

from, again, from a storytelling perspective, this is when

55:37

she would have been like, I've seen a hawk.

55:39

She was in survival mode. She

55:41

was just so funny. I

55:43

don't know. I think the hawk would have been

55:45

lovely to have brought back here. And it's not

55:47

like I'm criticizing her. It's just like, I

55:50

think this episode just left me wanting. I

55:52

have blue balls. I thought that

55:54

they could have bonded over the sign

55:57

thing. I agree. Andy, you said,

55:59

I think Mark is too sad for her. She

56:01

doesn't want to be with that. She's already got

56:03

it. Yeah. Okay, so the next

56:05

day, apparently the gist is everyone thinks Mark

56:07

is definitely getting a hometown because he thought

56:10

it went so well. And now

56:12

Joan comes to the house, pulls Mark, proceeds

56:14

to give him, Andy, as you put it,

56:17

a bullshit sandwich. Oh, so, but the

56:19

thickest bread I've ever seen. Yes. This

56:21

was like, it was like a whole

56:23

loaf. Of bread on each side.

56:25

Each side. She talks about how wonderful the

56:27

date was, how much their time meant to

56:29

her. She loves hearing about how healing this

56:31

journey has been for him. She loves the

56:33

hummingbird thing. He made her feel comfortable, so

56:35

supported. And we get word watch three here.

56:37

She says, you're such an amazing man. And

56:40

then we get to the end of one loaf. Yeah.

56:43

Yes, she says, but. Oh,

56:45

it was a very thin, a very

56:48

thin boar's head slice of ham. Boar's

56:50

head. She went home last night. Something

56:52

is missing. Something isn't right. She woke

56:54

up this morning with clarity. She doesn't

56:56

see herself in their conversations. She thinks

56:58

she came into this too early in

57:01

his personal journey. Basically, she needs someone

57:03

who's as far along as she is

57:05

in recovering. And

57:07

of course, he takes us very well. I almost

57:10

sensed relief. Oh, totally. The

57:13

first thing I thought, that's what it felt like.

57:15

He was like, thank you. Thank you. Let me

57:17

get in that limo. Let me go home. Let

57:19

me decompress. Yeah. Because I don't think he was

57:21

ever going to leave on his own because he

57:23

felt the experience was too enriching for him. But

57:25

to be honest, I think Mark has

57:28

been wanting to go for a while. Yeah.

57:30

And I think that the only thing Mark's

57:33

really going to miss is the camaraderie of

57:35

the fellow. He says this experience has changed

57:37

him. He hasn't always been open. He's worn

57:39

an invisibility cloak, which is a great Harry

57:42

Potter reference. He's leaving there a better human

57:44

being, a better man, a better father. We

57:46

agreed here, Andy, with love again. We say

57:49

this with the utmost respect and admiration that

57:51

we just cannot picture him as

57:53

Golden Bachelor. No. And it's not because

57:55

of his age. Earlier on, we were going on about his

57:57

age. We thought he had the look, but... He's

58:00

just as you put

58:02

it, Andy, he's sadder than

58:04

I think we could have possibly imagined when we

58:06

first met him. Yeah. And he's not really he's

58:09

not really for the camera. I mean, as I

58:11

said, he would have been an action hero. He

58:13

would have been an action hero if he was

58:15

good for the camera. Yeah, no, it's true. Would

58:18

have been over. That's why he wasn't a

58:20

movie star, Andy. All the headshots in the

58:22

world couldn't have made a difference. No, he

58:24

could simply is not right for the front

58:26

of the camera. And I think to be

58:28

right for the camera requires you wanting to

58:30

be on camera. Instead, this is a guy

58:32

who wears an invisibility cloak. He shies away

58:34

from it. Yes. Let's be

58:37

on the market of very good man.

58:39

Oh, I mean, he is a good

58:41

man. This is a quality human being.

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59:09

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59:12

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59:14

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59:16

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Shandy. Okay. So now we have a

1:01:08

rose ceremony. Joan is wearing, we have

1:01:11

to talk about her dress. She's wearing

1:01:13

a black strapless leather or leatherette dress

1:01:16

or gown with a slit. And the

1:01:18

slit has a sort of like mesh

1:01:20

embellished mesh paneling. Like it looks like

1:01:23

French lace, but the lace part is

1:01:25

like embellished. I don't remember it. You

1:01:27

don't remember it. No, I don't remember it. Wait, that's

1:01:29

fascinating to me that you don't remember this because to

1:01:32

me, this dress was very like for

1:01:34

the male gaze. Oh, I didn't. I

1:01:36

didn't really remember. I remember thinking,

1:01:38

yeah, it is for the male gaze, but

1:01:40

I don't remember the dress. I remember it

1:01:42

being black. So, okay. Question does tight black

1:01:45

leather speak to you don't like it. That

1:01:48

is actually crazy to me because I

1:01:50

feel like an impression that women have

1:01:52

about women's clothes or that I would,

1:01:55

anyway, I think anyway, is that like

1:01:57

tight black leather is like a sexy

1:01:59

like. It's like bad girl. It comes

1:02:01

back to feelability. Doesn't have a

1:02:03

good feel. Don't like the feel, it's

1:02:05

tacky. Tacky. It's

1:02:08

not soft and delicate. I don't

1:02:10

like it. Never liked leather. Oh.

1:02:13

Never liked it. Okay, so when I wear leather

1:02:15

leggings, you're not like, ooh. No, leather

1:02:17

doesn't do it for me. Oh, so are you like, ugh?

1:02:21

No, it's just like indifferent. I'm just like, yeah.

1:02:23

Indifferent, okay. Wow, that's fascinating. Yeah, don't like leather.

1:02:25

Okay, I would have expected that you would have

1:02:27

been like, that was like a beautiful talk. No,

1:02:29

a lot of guys are into leather. I don't

1:02:31

get that. Okay, so you will admit other men

1:02:33

are into leather. Absolutely. Oh, I know that leather

1:02:36

is a fetish. It's a fetish level. Yes. But

1:02:38

they love leather. Tight leather, red

1:02:40

leather, black leather, any leather. Pink leather.

1:02:43

Don't like leather. Okay. Every time

1:02:45

they show these movies with like the sexy

1:02:48

lead and these cheesy movies, bring

1:02:50

like some tight ass leather outfit. Yeah. Not

1:02:53

having it. Okay. I mean, like Catwoman is

1:02:55

the best example. Not interested. Never liked Catwoman.

1:02:58

What? Never liked Catwoman. Wait, so

1:03:00

okay. What woman out of

1:03:02

all of the sort of marvel-y superhero-y types

1:03:05

are you like that one? That's

1:03:07

the one. Wonder Woman. Well,

1:03:10

because that's so much more touchable. Yeah,

1:03:12

it's just like a leotard. Isn't

1:03:15

that what she wears? I'm pretty sure

1:03:17

she wears like a pointy looking like

1:03:20

little one, like it looks

1:03:22

like kind of like a bathing suit or like maybe a

1:03:24

romper. I think she has a good outfit. Yeah.

1:03:27

What other female superheroes are there that

1:03:29

I can choose from? I can only think of Poison Ivy.

1:03:31

I suppose that's not that touchable either. You know, really at

1:03:33

the heart of it, none of these are touchable. The only

1:03:36

touchable one is Spiderman. I just like it. I

1:03:38

like a nice soft flowy dress. What's wrong

1:03:40

with that? Okay. Okay, so this

1:03:43

dress. Spider Woman? Is there a Spider

1:03:45

Woman? I don't know. I was thinking that

1:03:47

that's touchable. There may have been, but it went away. So

1:03:50

there was a terrible movie with the Spider Woman

1:03:52

girl. The one who

1:03:54

was in Shades of Grey. Oh,

1:03:57

Madam Web. Madam Web. Oh,

1:04:00

that looked, we didn't even watch it. So maybe

1:04:02

it was amazing, but I strongly suspect it was

1:04:04

not. No, it

1:04:06

was so bad. It was so bad that

1:04:08

even when she was interviewed on the late

1:04:10

shows, she basically, they were making fun of

1:04:12

the movie. Like they couldn't, it was so

1:04:14

bad that they felt like the best way

1:04:16

to market it was to just talk about it being so

1:04:18

bad that people were like, oh, I gotta see that movie.

1:04:20

It must be so bad. I'm gonna, I don't often

1:04:23

share a strong opinion about

1:04:25

an actor's acting ability, but

1:04:28

I'm gonna do so right now. I

1:04:30

think her acting is just absolutely abysmal.

1:04:33

Well, it's very whispery. She has no

1:04:35

range. She always plays the same character.

1:04:37

Like she's always the same, like, and

1:04:39

who knows? Maybe I'll watch Madam Webb

1:04:41

and be like, wow, she really came

1:04:43

to life in this. From what I've

1:04:45

heard, you won't. Yeah, I just like,

1:04:47

I find that she doesn't speak with

1:04:49

her full voice. Like there's no body

1:04:51

in her voice. Her voice is just

1:04:54

like the upper part of her voice.

1:04:57

She talks like this. And I feel bad because I'm sure

1:04:59

she's a lovely human being, but if we're gonna talk about

1:05:01

acting, which is what we kind of started to talk about,

1:05:03

or maybe I've made it so I find

1:05:05

her acting to be. Yeah, no, I kind of

1:05:07

agree with you. You know who would not agree

1:05:09

with you is Don Johnson. Oh,

1:05:12

really? He's very upset with your analysis.

1:05:14

Don Johnson? Yeah, it's her father. Oh,

1:05:17

really? Don Johnson, Miami Vice. Oh,

1:05:19

I didn't know that. Oh, oh, okay,

1:05:22

so she's a famous father. Oh,

1:05:24

this is only making me more I

1:05:27

wasn't gonna say it. I wasn't gonna say it.

1:05:29

You brought the nepotism. This is only making me

1:05:31

more accurate. Sorry. Okay,

1:05:34

well, how do we get onto that? Oh,

1:05:36

black leather. Oh, I haven't talked about the dress yet. I

1:05:39

liked this dress from a

1:05:41

sort of sexy catwoman perspective.

1:05:44

And what I appreciated about this dress, even though I do

1:05:46

think her hair had her hair been even

1:05:50

partly back. Oh, this would

1:05:52

have been so much better, truthfully, but

1:05:54

I'm gonna drop it. What

1:05:57

I liked about the use of this dress is I think

1:05:59

that. There is an impression of

1:06:01

black leather, or tight black leather being

1:06:04

like, only for a certain generation

1:06:06

or a certain age. And I

1:06:08

love that we saw a woman in her

1:06:10

60s wearing this dress. I just think it

1:06:13

was so badass. She looked incredible in it.

1:06:15

And it defied a lot of impressions people

1:06:17

have about dressing a certain age personally. She

1:06:20

looked sexy in this dress, even if you didn't

1:06:22

think so. I vaguely

1:06:24

remember a sexiness. OK,

1:06:26

so going home at this

1:06:29

rose ceremony are Jonathan and Keith. So

1:06:31

she walks Jonathan out, tells him he

1:06:33

is seen and worthy, which I thought

1:06:36

was really lovely considering his insecurities. And

1:06:39

Jonathan in his limo says, maybe my

1:06:41

journey is just beginning. Oh, yeah. That

1:06:43

was a nice way to end this

1:06:45

episode. OK, well, Andy, that brings us

1:06:47

to your A game. Who is your

1:06:49

winner? Just by default, Pascal. Oh,

1:06:51

really? What do you think Pascal did in this episode?

1:06:54

Nothing. Sometimes A game is doing nothing.

1:06:56

OK, well, I also thought about giving

1:06:59

it to Jordan. Well, Jordan's

1:07:01

just laying back in the cut. So you don't

1:07:03

think Chalk was Chalk. I

1:07:05

mean, Chalk was sidling up next to her.

1:07:07

But Chalk is just like she picked Chalk

1:07:09

already. He's got a huge upper

1:07:11

hand. She's already been picked. Can we talk

1:07:13

quickly about, though, what I forgot

1:07:16

to talk about it, when he's putting his arm around or he's putting

1:07:18

the moves on her. I actually felt

1:07:20

her body language suggested, and

1:07:22

I know she likes Chalk. I felt her

1:07:25

body language even in that moment suggested I'm

1:07:27

like, I don't want to, I'm

1:07:29

not into this. So you thought she was into it. This

1:07:31

is what I'm going to tell you. She's

1:07:34

going to pick Chalk. Yes. And that relationship

1:07:36

is going to last all of three months. Well,

1:07:39

OK, so with Chalk,

1:07:43

would I picture becoming an issue with Chalk long

1:07:45

term? And trust me, I would love nothing more

1:07:48

than for them to write off into the sunset

1:07:50

together and just be happily ever after. But

1:07:53

Chalk, his situation

1:07:55

is he's divorced, right? And

1:07:57

I think we've seen examples of Chalk a

1:07:59

little more on the jealous side, a little

1:08:01

possessive. And I think Joan, I think

1:08:04

John is still a very large part

1:08:06

of Joan's life and her existence, her

1:08:09

thought, like every single day. You can

1:08:11

tell that John Cullors. And he doesn't

1:08:13

have that. He doesn't have that. And

1:08:15

I wonder if that might become challenging

1:08:17

for his personality type to, quote unquote,

1:08:19

compete with. That's what I wonder. I

1:08:22

agree with you. But I really hope

1:08:24

I'm wrong about that. OK, well, anyway,

1:08:26

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I. Wait, it has to be

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my. Because why

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it no ex-wife or

1:09:16

my late wife. No, just

1:09:18

my wife. That's not going

1:09:20

to come up, I don't think. No,

1:09:22

because Joan is going to

1:09:24

be the person they talk about being my wife. Wow,

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that's ambitious. You think that's

1:09:30

going to come up? I mean, you can

1:09:32

you can go for what you want, but I

1:09:34

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1:09:36

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1:09:39

Oh, really? Yeah. But I mean, you can do it. OK,

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maybe I'll just do wife. Oh,

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want to go one, two, three, and then who we think is

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winning first. One, two,

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three, chalk. Okay. I don't think any

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explanation necessary. How about second place? One,

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two, three, guy. Oh, yeah.

1:11:34

Okay. And the only reason I say that is

1:11:36

because I think guys starting to come on strong.

1:11:38

Yeah. And I think she will be receptive to

1:11:40

that just in terms of like, like

1:11:42

learning this bit about her on that date with

1:11:44

Mark. We did learn that she would require someone

1:11:46

to say, I love you to her first. Mm.

1:11:50

Guys going to do that. You know,

1:11:52

I think Joan needs to feel very

1:11:54

pursued. And I think that's why chalk

1:11:56

is doing so well. Cause I think

1:11:59

chalk is really active. actively pursuing her.

1:12:01

Okay, in third place, one,

1:12:03

two, three. Pascal. Pascal. Okay.

1:12:06

So we got the same top four. Yeah. Wow.

1:12:09

So we both think Jordan's going home next week.

1:12:11

Yeah. I'm just sticking to my guns on

1:12:13

this one. I know she said that she laughs more on that date

1:12:15

than any other date, but. No.

1:12:18

A lot of the laughing came from him falling on his

1:12:20

butt. I don't think Jordan's into Joan. I don't think Joan's

1:12:22

into Jordan. Yeah, I agree. I

1:12:24

mean, they may find each other pleasant. Yes.

1:12:27

I think there's a lot of finding each

1:12:29

other pleasant. Yes. That's not enough. Yeah, I

1:12:31

agree. I

1:12:35

got to be honest. I was just, yeah,

1:12:37

I'm not, not feeling the season anymore. Oh,

1:12:39

wow. Andy, so hot

1:12:41

and cold. Sorry. I just not really, I kind

1:12:43

of just want the finale to happen. Okay. I

1:12:46

just want to see what happens. Is it because

1:12:48

you think it's too predictable? It's

1:12:50

too predictable and there's no, there's no electricity.

1:12:52

There's no heart. There's no, there's actually

1:12:54

plenty of heart, but there's no romantic heart. There's no love

1:12:56

with the guys. And there's a lot of, you know, sad,

1:12:59

sentimental talk about either losing loved ones, you

1:13:02

know, which obviously is very heavy, but it's

1:13:04

just like there's not, the

1:13:07

construct of this show demands

1:13:10

passion. Yes. There

1:13:12

needs to be passion. Yes. And if

1:13:15

that passion comes in the form of drama

1:13:17

between a Devin and a whoever, then so

1:13:19

be it. Yeah. But there needs

1:13:21

to be passion somewhere. There's no drama and

1:13:23

there's no passion in the romance department. Yes.

1:13:27

because they don't want to make Chuck seem like

1:13:30

too much of a front runner, which he already

1:13:32

is. For me, the lack of romance, which is

1:13:34

something I've been harping on for weeks, but I've

1:13:36

tried to truly, I've tried to keep that under

1:13:38

wraps a bit because I'm like, I don't want

1:13:41

to sound like a broken record. And I don't

1:13:43

mean to suggest that she needs to be making

1:13:45

out with all these men for this show to

1:13:47

be interesting. It's not about the making out. It's

1:13:49

about like an emotional connection. And while I think

1:13:51

she feels connected to them as like friends, she

1:13:54

is touched by their stories and

1:13:57

they bond over having been through a lot

1:13:59

in their lives. Yes. I'm not

1:14:01

sensing romantic energy with

1:14:03

anyone except chalk. And

1:14:06

I agree with you. I think they're downplaying the

1:14:08

chalk thing to make it seem like more of

1:14:10

a fighting chance for the other men, which only

1:14:12

makes things less interesting because that's all I want.

1:14:14

I want to see some romance. Still feel good.

1:14:17

Very feel good. The friendships are still very feel

1:14:19

good. It's feel good, but there's only so much

1:14:21

feel good I can take. It's

1:14:23

true. It's true. It's

1:14:25

like having too much dessert. With feel good, there

1:14:27

has to eventually be a, you know, a release.

1:14:31

Oh, like a explosion of sorry.

1:14:33

Yes. Okay.

1:14:36

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it's going to make you feel better. Ruby

1:14:53

most likely picking you. You want

1:14:55

to get to it? No, it's to make me feel guilty. Come on. Let's

1:14:57

just do it. All right. You're officially her primary

1:14:59

parent. I go to rehearsal

1:15:01

too much. Okay, Ruby, let's see.

1:15:06

This really got me down last week. Sorry.

1:15:09

All right, Ruby. Ruby. You want to come

1:15:11

over here? Oh. No, no, no. She

1:15:14

chose neither of us. Come on. Come on, Ruby. Come

1:15:16

on. Oh, it's a sweet girl. Yeah.

1:15:19

Oh. Oh. Oh,

1:15:22

no. No, no. No.

1:15:24

Oh. Oh. Sorry.

1:15:28

How do you feel about yourself, Andy? I

1:15:30

have mixed feelings. Oh, oh, oh, Ruby.

1:15:34

Oh. Yay.

1:15:37

Thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see you

1:15:39

next time on Dear Shandy. Bye-bye. Dear

1:15:44

Shandy.