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Dateline listeners. My name is Dan Slepian,
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and I've been a producer at Dateline
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for nearly 30 years. I'd
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like to share a story with you that I think
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you might find interesting. I've spent
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much of my career and my life
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diving deep into the criminal justice system.
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And along the way, I've uncovered what I've come to
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realize. And
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there he was, Tony Gaida. I
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went up to him and said no doubt with the
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energy of a puppy off the leash, Mr.
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Gaida, my name is Dan Slepian, I watch you
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all the time. I applied to be an intern
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at WNBC, but I got rejected. I'll do anything,
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I'll get you coffee, whatever you want. Tony
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gazed at me for a moment. Here
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I was, this painfully earnest 19
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year old vibrating with enthusiasm and
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hope. And then
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he reached into his shirt pocket, took out a
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napkin, and scribbled the number on it.
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He handed it to me with three words, call
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Mike Callahan. Tony
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probably thought nothing of it, but
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those few seconds of kindness would
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forever change my professional trajectory
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and my life. The
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very next day I dialed the number Tony
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had given me and spoke with Mike Callahan,
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the chain smoking managing editor
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at WNBC. Excitement
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brimming in my voice, I said, I met
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Tony Gaida. He said to call you because
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I'd love to be an intern and he
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cut me off and said, come on in. And
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so the next day I found myself
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at the WNBC office in iconic 30
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Rockefeller Plaza. Callahan
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wasted no time and said, you want to
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be an intern? Help out the
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assignment editors on the desk. Simple
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as that. I never
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went back to common cause. In
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fact, I've stayed in that
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very building more than 30 years now. The
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internship coordinator would see me and say, who
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are you? An
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intern, I'd confidently reply. No,
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you have to be part of the program,
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she'd respond. Mike said I
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could come in. That's
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not the way it works, she'd say.
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We would have that conversation on a
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few occasions, as many
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times as she tried to get me. I just
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kept coming in every day, pulling
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faxes, answering phones, and cheerfully
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fetching sugar for assignment editor
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Harry Rittenberg Slimfast. I
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was kind of like the guy from office space who
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didn't have a job and just kept showing up. I'd
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cross paths with that internship director in the
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hallways for years. And
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she'd always have a silence
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there like, you're still here?
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That unorthodox internship eventually paved the
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way for me to be accepted into the NBC
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Page program, a
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highly competitive opportunity for college graduates
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looking to get into the TV
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business. Among
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my responsibilities was giving tours of the
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studios and seating audiences for shows like
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Late Night with David Letterman and Saturday
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Night Live. My
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first real job was working for the man
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I grew up watching after school every day,
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the OG, the original pre-Oprah
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daytime talk show host Phil
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Donahue. For
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the kids who don't know his
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name, he invented running around a
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studio audience holding a microphone in
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random people's faces, and he totally
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revolutionized television. When
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Donahue went off the air in 1996, I
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started working at Dateline. My
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dream job and never left. Dateline,
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NBC's longest running primetime series, has
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been on the air for more
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than 30 years and has become
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part of mainstream American culture. When
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I began there, the show was anchored by
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Stone Phillips and Jane Pauley and aired two
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nights per week. Within
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a couple of years, under the leadership
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of executive producer Neil Shapiro, it
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was on as many as five nights per week. Back
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then, the show was broken into
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several segments covering various topics, from
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celebrity profiles to undercover investigations to
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breaking news reports. Producing
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stories during that time. was like
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drinking from several fire hoses at once.
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My first role at Dateline was what's
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called a booker, meaning it was my
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job to convince people embroiled in the
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biggest breaking stories of the day to
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talk exclusively to Dateline. About
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15 young staffers, mostly
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news nerds, were told to
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keep an overnight bag under our desks at work
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because you never knew when news would break and
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you'd be headed to the airport. When
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the Columbine shooting happened, I was off to
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Colorado with Stone Phillips. After
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Waco burned, I headed to Texas.
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When JFK Jr.'s plane went down, I was on
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the next flight to Martha's Vineyard. A
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few years later, Dateline began to focus on
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murder mysteries, launching a new era as
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the true crime original for its captivating
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yarns with twists and turns that keep
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viewers on the edge of their seats.
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By September 10th, 2001, I was 31
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and had been working at Dateline for five
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years. I'd been filming with
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the Vegas detectives that Monday and happened
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to take the last flight back from Las Vegas
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to New York City, where I lived at the
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time. I landed at
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about one in the morning on 9-11 and
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headed home to my wife, Jocelyn. Hours
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later, when the first plane struck the
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World Trade Center, I grabbed my camera,
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headed down to St. Vincent's Hospital, and
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began interviewing people who were searching for
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their missing family members. Looking
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up 7th Avenue, I could see police
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cars and fire engines driving at top
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speed toward the bottom of the island.
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And I watched in awe as these
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men and women in uniform rushed to
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those buildings. In
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that moment, more than any other, and I'd spent
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a lot of time with police officers and been
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impressed by what they did, I thought,
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these are men and women who have different blood
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than I do. I'd
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never, not in a million years, rush into
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a building in a-
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