0:09

Hello,

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everybody, and welcome back to the Chulimannati podcast

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episode 253. As

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always, I'm one of your hosts, Mike Martin,

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joined today by the Gengar and Gasly of

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LA, Jesse and Alex,

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thank you. Where on earth could you have

0:35

gotten that from? That is so-

0:38

Percolating in the mind, there was a pure

0:40

improv off top of my butt, don't be.

0:42

Right, right, but who is who? Who's

0:46

Gasly and who's Gengar? Yeah. No

0:48

in between. You know what? There's just the

0:50

first and the last. Yeah, who's? Yeah, I'm gonna, Alex, I'm gonna

0:52

need you to make the call on this. Oh, that's, so yeah,

0:54

who's the evolved? You're a Pokemon expert. Who's the

0:57

evolved form of the other one? That's what I'm saying.

0:59

Like, I don't, I don't, I don't know what to

1:01

do here. I think that your

1:03

mischievous nature makes you

1:05

a shoo-in for Gengar, Jesse. What

1:08

is, does Gengar do anything cool? He's one of

1:10

the most, like, viable, good, powerful Pokemon in the

1:12

middle. I don't, I don't mean viable. I mean,

1:14

like, he's gonna do anything cool. He hangs out

1:16

with Ash when Ash dies once. Yeah, he lives

1:18

inside shadows. He can, like, go inside your dreams.

1:21

It's pretty good. Right, but then what does Gasly do? Why do you want

1:23

to be Gasly so bad? He's chill.

1:26

He's kind of invisible. He's kind of just, he's kind

1:28

of low key. He keeps it low key, low energy.

1:30

Why is he better than Gengar? Less drama. Touché.

1:34

Alright, alright. Less drama. He's

1:37

smaller, he's smaller. He's

1:39

less evolved, but he has less drama. He leaves a

1:41

simple life. Right, right, that's it, right. Less evolved doesn't

1:44

mean worse. It just means more simp. He's just a

1:46

little gassy. He's a little gassy boy. He's a little

1:48

gassy boy, just like me, when I

1:50

have some sauerkraut for lunch. I thought you were

1:52

gonna segue to Patreon from that one. I have

1:54

now. patreon.com/ShloominatiPod is the place

1:56

that you can go today. something.

2:02

You don't have to go to this website. That's the thing

2:04

that's so crazy about this. You know, we can talk

2:06

about it as much as we want. The point is,

2:08

this is how we fund it. You

2:10

still, the deal is you get to hear

2:12

this for free. We make this for you.

2:15

This is nothing but just

2:18

me letting you know that you can

2:20

go to patreon.com/ChulmanatiPod. And if you

2:22

want, if you like this, and you're like, you know

2:25

what, I have a couple extra bucks in

2:28

my budget that I want to like

2:30

put towards this to ensure that this

2:32

fine show continues to get made forever.

2:34

You know what I mean? That's all we're

2:36

saying. If you leave, that thought has occurred

2:38

to you independently, head on down. And you

2:40

know what? Good news. In return, there's

2:42

some freebies there. I'm not even going to get into

2:44

them because it's not about them. You know what I

2:47

mean? It's just about helping us out. I just want

2:49

to make sure Jesse heard that this was forever. I

2:52

don't like that forever. In forever forever,

2:55

forever forever, as long as

2:57

we can continue. And

3:00

I don't even want to think about how long

3:02

ago that song came out because that was a

3:04

long time ago, too. Forever, forever ago. Forever, ever

3:06

ago. But seriously,

3:09

guys, we just we're really

3:11

thankful for everybody who's ever supported us on

3:13

Patreon. It's really just people who like

3:15

it and want it to keep going. And that's what

3:17

it's all about. And I don't want it to get

3:19

twisted just because we give away cool stuff to people

3:21

who support us like a tote bag from PBS. You

3:23

can't see it because there's no video. But Jesse

3:26

pulled down his pants, moving the camera and is

3:28

slipping you off. So he's not appreciative. That's pure

3:30

Gengar though. That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm

3:32

true. It's Gengar activity. It is Gengar activity. But

3:35

it wasn't like here's the thing. It wasn't a

3:37

moon pulled out. It was full. It was full

3:39

dong. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't moon the camera. I

3:41

just hung dong. He on the camera. No, what's

3:43

slang for dong in the camera? Eggplant thing in

3:46

the camera. I gave the full

3:48

eggplant. Eggplant Parmesan in

3:50

the camera. He gave it a B.

3:52

He gave it a A. He gave it

3:54

the old eggplant parm. He gave

3:56

it the old eggplant parm. Damn right,

3:58

dude. I hate that.

4:00

Also, there's a Gengar, what are these called?

4:02

Squishmallows? There's a Gengar Squishmallow visible on my

4:05

webcam. That's why Mathis said Gengar. Wow, way

4:07

to ruin the mystique of the audio-only entertainment

4:09

that we have here. 47 stars. You can't

4:11

see it because there's no video because he

4:13

pulled down his pants, moved into the camera,

4:15

and is slipping you off, so he's not

4:18

appreciative. It's the only time I've ever

4:20

known where you're getting these names from. It's the only

4:22

time ever. Alright, well, I guess that's out of the

4:24

way. Should we fucking talk about the episode today? Should

4:26

we get into the topic, gentlemen? Yeah. Okay, let's talk

4:28

about it. We did a bunch of aliens, and

4:31

we did a bunch of true crime prior, and

4:33

we're gonna go back to true crime, but we're

4:36

not doing Zodiac to true crime. We're doing everybody's

4:38

favorite, the Wild West Frontier

4:40

times of when violence was

4:42

everywhere, so in order to be a

4:45

notably violent person, you had to be

4:47

extra violent to be like, oh, that

4:49

dude's bad. I feel like you've invented

4:51

a genre somehow. Like, you know, like-

4:54

I'll take credit for it for sure. Like,

4:56

when Drive came out in,

4:58

like, 2011, or whatever year it was, we

5:00

were like, oh yeah, there was like this

5:02

kind of like 80s vibe that was like

5:04

part of the 80s that's like this new

5:06

vibe, and you're like, there's like a vibe

5:08

within serial killers of these weird, unhinged, like,

5:11

almost like Paul Bunyan-style tall

5:13

tales that you like, keep like,

5:15

hitting with a bow and arrow right in the bullseye.

5:17

I don't know where you're finding them all, but- I

5:19

feel like in order to be like, a

5:22

story or known from this time, you really

5:24

had to do something fucking insane. Like, yeah,

5:26

maybe the Wild West was just straight up

5:28

that fucked up. Because people were getting shot

5:31

all the time out that time. Like, people

5:33

were dying from getting shot constantly, that wasn't

5:35

news. News was like the Kentucky Cannibal going

5:37

through, like, living through the wilderness and shooting,

5:39

like, stabbing his cousin, Little Berry Shoe, and

5:42

running off. Like, that's the insane shit. And

5:44

we're working- A giant pot of beans fell

5:46

down the side of a mountain and buried

5:48

a town and boiled beans. And that's just

5:51

now a part of the town's history, and

5:53

that's what they make the tourism money off

5:55

of nowadays. Yeah. So today we're actually going

5:57

to be talking about what is a- People

6:00

consider the very first documented

6:02

US serial killers, people

6:04

that were the serial killers that were

6:07

the first arrested, or we'll

6:09

talk about whether it was arrested, but

6:11

noted in the papers of history and

6:13

known entities at the time. We're

6:15

going to be talking about two

6:17

Scottish immigrants from the mid 18th

6:19

century, one Mika Jah, aka Mickey,

6:23

Harp, and the other being Wily,

6:25

little, quote unquote, Harp. Mickey

6:28

and Wily will be the two that we

6:30

will... The Harp brothers? The Harp brothers, correct.

6:32

Now, it's arguable because, again, this is time,

6:35

they were brothers or cousins, we don't know.

6:38

They are often referred to as brothers,

6:40

but there is evidence that they may

6:42

be cousins, and they're coming from, again,

6:44

Scotland. They immigrated to the US from

6:46

Scotland. They were born before 1768. We

6:50

think the eldest was somewhere in the 1748, 49-ish, is when he was

6:52

likely born, due to what

6:56

we know about his age moving forward, but again, all that

6:59

stuff is... Wait, wait. Say that again? Wait,

7:01

say that one more time. What year? So,

7:03

1748. 1748 to 1749 is when the eldest was

7:05

born. He

7:09

immigrated to the US in 1768-ish. Before

7:14

the creation of the United States. Correct.

7:17

He was actually directly involved in the Revolutionary War, which

7:19

we'll be talking about. Holy shimone.

7:21

That's how fucking far back we're

7:23

reeling back. You're not saying serial

7:25

killer in the sense that, like,

7:27

it is a serial killer. They

7:29

didn't say that, but you're saying it was a

7:31

media frenzy of these guys on the loose that

7:34

were killing people over and over again that everyone

7:36

was aware of. Innocent people over and over again

7:38

of all ages, and yeah, absolutely correct. It

7:40

was in the news. They didn't call it or use the word

7:43

serial killer. Again, that word didn't come until 1960s. This

7:47

is just the first documented of people who

7:49

seemed to go around killing for the fucking

7:51

fun of it, whatever weird perversions

7:53

they got out of it. Yeah,

7:56

so Mickey and Wiley, Mickey

7:58

and Wiley were their two names. I keep wanting

8:00

to call them little because I have it down written as

8:02

little for them there. But yeah, they were born and raised

8:04

out in Scotland, immigrated to the US somewhere in the late

8:06

1760s, early 1770s, no later than 1770. And

8:12

they were raised at a time where

8:14

having a religious fervor was commonplace at

8:16

the time. But they were

8:18

also raised to

8:20

be unwaveringly loyal to

8:23

the British crown. They were

8:25

complete diehard, like, what do you

8:27

call monarchists, I guess you would be with the word.

8:30

Their father was a stern devout man, as

8:32

far as we know from what they would

8:34

say. And it instilled in

8:37

them what they considered a rigid moral code

8:39

and a deep seated disdain for those who

8:41

dare challenge the established order of things that

8:43

the monarchy had had a hold of for

8:45

so long at this point. So we're talking

8:48

about literally like historical ass figures at this

8:50

point. Like this is like a mindset that

8:52

is not in modern society anymore, really. Correct.

8:55

Yeah, exactly. For these guys, like

8:58

moving to the frontier ended up bringing

9:00

on a life of obviously hardship, just

9:02

trying to survive out there. There was

9:04

just a lot of wilderness. I'll

9:06

put it this way. They were big

9:09

fans of living in caves. What?

9:12

Yeah, we'll get to that. When they moved

9:14

here and we're living in the frontier instead

9:16

of... What do you mean you'll put it

9:18

this way? Staying within villages or towns, they

9:20

found themselves out in caves and enjoying... They're

9:22

like cave people? They were cavemen. Harry

9:24

Cavemen? Harry Cavemen. Harry Cavemen. Mathis,

9:27

are you... is this real?

9:29

Are you making this up? No, and we

9:31

got some quotes from the time about... You're

9:33

talking about Revolutionary War cave hobos? Yes,

9:36

we are. Absolutely, yes. Yes, 100%.

9:39

We're talking about murdering Revolutionary War

9:41

cave hobos from Scotland? That is correct,

9:43

sir. Who may be brothers and who may

9:45

be cousins? Maybe they're brother

9:48

cousins. Is it possible? Brothers? Brothers?

9:50

That's when you're both? Covers? Two.

9:53

Two. Covers under the covers,

9:56

dude. They were... Luckily though, they

9:58

were already kind of skilled on it. Skilled

10:00

hunters, fishermen, providing sustenance for themselves and whatnot

10:02

was not very difficult. They weren't like the

10:05

gold rush people who would go from cities

10:07

and go out into the wilderness and be

10:09

like, I'll find gold and be fine. And

10:11

then they don't realize how difficult it is

10:13

to survive out there and die very quickly.

10:16

Again, that's Kentucky cannibal part of that

10:18

story. So they learned to navigate the

10:20

dense forest, track wild game, read

10:23

subtle signs of nature. They really became mountain

10:25

men in a lot of ways. The Hart

10:27

brothers also learned the importance of self-reliance on

10:29

themselves and resourcefulness. With

10:32

the help of their father as kids, they

10:34

learned how to plant crops, clear land, build

10:36

shelter, mend and repair

10:38

tools, fences, care for livestock. Okay, wait

10:40

a minute. They're starting to sound cool.

10:42

Hold on. You know, sometimes really

10:45

evil people can start off sounding

10:47

cool until they take the turn. Well, I don't know

10:49

what they've done yet. Sure,

10:52

fair, fair. So far, they just seem really

10:54

self-reliant. Yeah. Their education wasn't

10:56

limited to practical skills. Their father was a

10:59

devoutly religious man, as I said. So he

11:01

also taught them to read and write, use

11:03

the Bible as their primary textbook, which again

11:05

isn't really uncommon, I think, for that time.

11:07

Where do you learn the math in there?

11:10

How do you learn? And one plus God

11:12

equals anything. Damn, dude. Dude,

11:14

God, all things are possible. That was shit. Checkmate

11:17

atheist. I see you guys have used the

11:19

Bible as your textbook as well. So

11:22

wait, so you're telling me these

11:24

guys are like, what's the Robert

11:26

Redford movie, Jeremiah Johnson? Yeah,

11:29

this is basically these guys? Who's that?

11:32

Dude, the nodding gif. The literal nod. Oh,

11:35

okay, okay. Yeah, except the 1700s unclean version of

11:37

them. Is

11:41

there any visual of these guys? I'm

11:43

envisioning some hairy motherfuckers covered in shit

11:45

with clubs. Well, lucky for you, we

11:47

actually have physical descriptions of what they

11:49

looked like. Okay, thanks

11:51

to the second governor of Kentucky,

11:53

James Garand, who issued or Garand

11:55

issued a government proclamation on April

11:58

22nd, 1799. after

12:00

a lot of the crimes that had been committed. And he

12:02

was able to, he declared a $300 reward for

12:05

their apprehension and deliverance back to Danville, Kentucky

12:08

for trial. And here's what they looked like.

12:11

Mickey was about six feet

12:13

high of robust make and is about 30

12:16

or 32 years of age. He

12:19

is an ill looking downcast countenance and

12:21

his hair is black and short, but

12:24

comes very much down to his forehead.

12:26

He is built very straight and is

12:28

full flashed in the face. When he

12:31

went away, he had a striped Nanking

12:33

coat, dark blue woolen stockings, leggings of

12:35

drab cloth and trousers of the same

12:38

coat. So that was the older brother.

12:40

He's a Walton Goggins character basically. Kind of. Yeah,

12:42

yeah. A Nanking coat, by the way, if you

12:44

need me to link you what that is. I'll

12:46

take it very old timey. You're going to be

12:48

like, Oh yeah. Okay. You new boys can describe

12:51

this to them here. I'm linking you right now.

12:53

Oh, it's a, okay. It's very posh. It's

12:56

what you think of when you think of

12:58

kind of the, um, it's like a Bridgerton.

13:00

It's like a bridge. Exactly. Alex. Yeah. Like

13:02

what you wear when you wear

13:04

suit now, except in

13:06

Bridgerton times, like

13:08

that sort of like high society sort of like

13:11

long tails. Yep. Like you almost look like a

13:13

bug kind of like, so yeah. Suit

13:15

with it that maybe you'll wear like a little top hat with

13:18

like a little, like, like the good guy

13:20

version of Jack the Ripper. Yeah. The six

13:22

foot tall mountain man of a build, like

13:25

a short black hair was wearing that coat.

13:27

Some, uh, blue wool, dark blue wool, woolen

13:29

stockings, leggings of drab cloth and trousers of

13:31

the same, of the same as the coat.

13:34

And then he'd walk his ass into a

13:36

cave. Yeah, let's do it. We'll get to

13:38

it. So you're telling me this guy looks

13:41

kind of normal for the time and let

13:43

down by this. Hold on. Is his brother

13:45

like those

13:51

two hyenas from the Lion King? Yeah.

13:53

The younger brother, Wylie Harp is very

13:56

meager. He's Wylie? He better be crazy

13:58

looking. Wily

14:00

Harp is a very meager in his

14:02

face, has short black hair but not

14:04

quite so curly as his brothers. He

14:06

looks older, though really younger, and has

14:09

likewise a downcast countenance. He had on

14:11

a coat of- Wait, what do you

14:13

mean he looks older but really younger?

14:17

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That's what

14:19

they said in a little clipping. He had a coat of

14:21

the same stuff- I thought you meant he looked older and

14:23

yet he looked younger. He had

14:25

a coat of the same stuff

14:27

as his brothers and had a

14:29

surk, a surk-hout coat over the

14:31

closed-bodied one. His stockings are dark

14:33

woolen ones and his leggings are

14:35

of drab cloth. And as I

14:37

will get you the surk-hout, surk-hout

14:40

century thing, here it is. Again,

14:42

another picture they can be like, oh yeah, okay, this is

14:44

just kind of like what every person

14:46

with some sort of mean dress. This

14:49

is basically just like the outside version

14:51

of that? Yes, correct, yeah, exactly that.

14:53

I just- for the record, for everyone

14:55

who looks up sur- sur-tout, the

14:57

image featured on the Wikipedia page appears

15:01

to be a man with a coat and

15:03

then the leggings and shoes of

15:05

the All the Single Ladies video and

15:07

it is really funny. He looks like

15:10

it's like if like Charles Dickens wrote

15:12

a story about tingling. Right. Yes.

15:17

Let me answer a question. Hold on. The description of those- of

15:19

these guys. This was at the

15:21

end of their time with us? This is

15:23

1799, the end of their criminal spree. So

15:25

this is before war has really taken in.

15:27

We're looking at 20 years

15:30

younger right now. So they're 19-20ish years old. So

15:34

there's potential that they could be cavemen and

15:36

not just like normal people. I

15:38

mean, they came from Scotland. You

15:40

mean like Neanderthals? Yeah, like I

15:42

was hyped for a bunch of

15:45

like Scottish Neanderthals like, Oh

15:47

brother, come up in the mountains with

15:49

us! You thought it was gonna be like an offshoot

15:51

early man. Yeah, well that's on an offshoot like, oh!

15:55

You thought it was gonna be like a lost tribe of men?

15:57

Come to me, you forget brother! That's what

15:59

I wanted! I'm very disappointed, to

16:01

be honest. They were chased

16:03

away by the humans of Scotland to

16:05

America, where they had to live in the

16:08

caves of the old pre-Western frontier. Six feet

16:10

tall is not like super extra tall. We

16:12

don't know how tall his little brother Wily

16:14

was. We don't know. Dude, six feet tall

16:16

and that time is pretty tall because... Yeah.

16:19

Whenever I go to New England... That's just some

16:21

TikTok propaganda. Don't let them fool you. Actually though,

16:23

is six feet tall from Scotland weird

16:26

at the time? I don't know. I don't

16:28

know, but I go to those houses that

16:30

are in Boston and in Pennsylvania, in the

16:32

little towns and they're like, the doorways, you

16:34

have to crouch under them. I

16:36

think people were... Like the oyster house that we

16:39

went and had. Yeah, the Union Oyster House, exactly.

16:41

I would say people in general were a little

16:43

smaller back then, and so being six feet tall

16:45

probably was monstrous. And because we're just

16:47

a bunch of internet clowns, we'll be corrected one way

16:49

or another on the internet. So thank you. Come get

16:52

me, dude. I'll fight. Let me know. Educate me. Not

16:54

me. Educate me. Cavemen. Scottish

16:56

cavemen. If you want to dino-topia, but

16:59

just like caveman-topia. Yes! Good

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So tensions between the colonies and the

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British escalated over this time, and the

18:40

Hart brothers were exposed to the growing

18:42

animosity and violence that kind of plagued

18:44

their community. They witnessed firsthand the raids

18:46

and counter raids of burning of the

18:48

homes and the displacement of families.

18:51

More specifically, they witnessed the lynching

18:54

of both of their parents for

18:57

being sympathizers to the crown by

19:00

revolutionists. Oh my God. Okay,

19:02

that really made them double down on

19:04

like them being loyal to the crown

19:07

and all of these experiences coupled with their

19:09

own supposed rebellious nature at the time. This

19:12

would kind of lead them and put

19:14

them on a path of not only

19:16

lawlessness, but brutality. And as

19:18

the American Revolution loomed, the Harp family's

19:20

loyalist sympathies became a source of tension

19:23

and conflict with their neighbors. The brothers

19:25

caught in the crossfire of this divided,

19:27

this now divided nation and they found

19:29

themselves increasingly drawn to the again, to

19:32

the loyalist side. Their youthful exploits fueled

19:34

by a mix of rebellion,

19:36

resentment, and a twisted sense of loyalty

19:38

laid the foundation for the path that

19:40

would they would later forge. They became

19:42

notorious for their pranks, their petty thefts,

19:44

and their disregard for authority. And the

19:46

seeds of violence were sown as the

19:48

war escalated and they would soon find

19:50

an outlet for all this pent up

19:52

rage and aggression, the war itself. Yo,

19:55

someone call Lin Manuel Miranda. You

19:57

gotta get a play. Like let's make

19:59

a. rap about these guys.

20:03

As the American Revolution descended on the

20:05

colonies, the Hart brothers, already brimming with

20:07

that pent-up aggression and a twisted sense

20:09

of loyalty, eagerly joined the ranks of

20:11

loyalist militias. They found a sense of

20:13

belonging among the bands of Tories, who

20:15

shared their disdain for the Patriot cause

20:17

and their willingness to resort to violence.

20:19

And within these militias, it's the Hart

20:21

brothers quickly establish themselves as ruthless, inefficient

20:23

fighters. They reveled in the chaos

20:25

of war, embracing the opportunity to unleash

20:27

their pent-up rage on their enemies, and

20:29

their reputation for brutality grew with each

20:31

raid and skirmish they were a part

20:34

of, their names becoming synonymous with terror

20:36

and bloodshed. However, the Hart

20:38

brothers were not content to simply follow

20:40

orders. They craved autonomy and

20:42

power, and they soon began operating

20:44

independently, leading their own raids and

20:46

ambushes away from the leadership of

20:49

their militias. They developed

20:51

a reputation for their cunning and their

20:53

ability to evade capture, often disappearing into

20:55

the wilderness after their attack. So very

20:57

guerilla warfare style. What

20:59

the fuck? So

21:03

they killed their parents and they were like, we will

21:05

never forgive you and we will kill every last one

21:07

of you. And then they

21:09

dedicated their lives to being murderers.

21:12

Yes. And just killed as

21:14

many people as they could. These were simpler back then.

21:16

Like, if you wanted to be a murderer, you could,

21:18

dude. Seriously, back then, people were just getting shot. Everything,

21:21

all doors were open. That is fucking insane.

21:23

At least right now, their murderous rampage has

21:25

some sort of principled, like, direction. It was

21:27

a profession. You could make a living off

21:29

of being a murderer back in the day.

21:31

I mean, if you're in a fucking war,

21:34

you're murdering everybody. Right? Like,

21:36

remember those things called posse back then, which were, and we're going to

21:38

talk about them. I mean, that's where we

21:40

got that gone. Because we're sharp, sanctioned gangs of civilians

21:42

out to go fucking bounty hunt

21:44

criminals. It's like, you know, that's what it

21:46

just was like back then. Right, back then.

21:49

That's fucking insane. Yeah, not anymore. That's not

21:51

happening anymore, obviously. So yeah, they were already like,

21:53

we need to do our own shit. And so

21:56

away from the Tories during this time, the Hart

21:58

brothers also began to get killed. forging alliances

22:00

with the Cherokee warriors who shared

22:02

their animosity towards Patriots and their

22:04

desire to protect their ancestral lands.

22:07

So they are they're teaming up

22:09

with the Cherokee Indians. The

22:11

brothers learned from the Cherokee adopting

22:13

their tactics adapting to their way

22:15

of life. They became adept at

22:18

navigating wilderness tracking prey and utilizing

22:20

guerrilla warfare to devastating effect. What

22:22

the fuck are you talking about?

22:24

They just became like ninjas. They

22:27

literally like yeah. Fucking

22:29

insane. They became like two Batman.

22:31

Yeah, except they like the... I

22:34

guess is it like the killing? This is

22:36

the Joker. The killing version of Batman. Well, I

22:38

guess. I mean the Joker's not like learning how

22:40

to like live off the land and like do

22:43

stealth and like fucking kill

22:45

people with one touch or whatever the fuck

22:47

they're landing. Is that what they're doing out

22:49

there? Who wins? Them or Range 4 Harry?

22:52

They fight. The two of them versus Range 4 Harry. Oh,

22:54

I mean Range 4 Harry all the time every day. He

22:58

just turns around and he just turns them

23:00

into two skeletons like a fucking sentinel. Yum!

23:05

It's important to know though like they're

23:07

these guys alliance with the Cherokee this

23:10

wasn't based on like mutual respect or

23:12

shared values. It was a

23:14

marriage of convenience. A strategic partnership born

23:16

out of an animosity for a common

23:18

enemy. The brothers saw the Cherokee as

23:20

a means to an end and so

23:22

did the Cherokee to the brothers. A

23:24

way to further their own agenda of

23:26

violence and plunder. And so as

23:29

the war raged on the Harp

23:31

brothers notoriety grew. They

23:33

became known for their indiscriminate killing, their

23:36

disregard for human life, and their willingness

23:38

to betray even their allies if it

23:40

suited their end goal. They were

23:43

not motivated by patriotism or ideological

23:45

fervor but rather genuinely deep-seated

23:47

resentment and a thirst for revenge.

23:50

This is all pure revenge. It's

23:52

all personal. The war provided

23:54

them with a license to kill, a justification for

23:56

the brutal acts, and they took that license and

23:58

ran. No, I'm

24:00

not a psychologist. No?

24:03

Oh, I thought we were all licensed

24:06

psychologists here. That is really

24:08

inaccurate. I don't know where you got that

24:10

idea from. But

24:13

it's so weird to me that it's a revenge,

24:15

because how many people have they killed? And it's

24:18

like, once you, I've never

24:20

killed anybody. Nobody has been, I've never been

24:22

betrayed in the way where people kill people

24:24

I loved and I swore vengeance on them,

24:26

so maybe I don't know. I

24:30

feel like it would be out of my system after a while. You

24:32

know what I mean? I feel like after

24:34

a while, there's ulterior motives going on. Well,

24:36

yeah. I think you bring up a good

24:38

point if we look back and truly look

24:41

at these guys as serial killers, something we've

24:43

talked about a lot of the time. What

24:45

a serial killer is always looking for, for

24:47

their first kill. An excuse, a reason, an

24:49

accident that they had to kill somebody. The

24:52

Revolutionary War was an amazing excuse for them

24:55

to finally indulge in maybe things that they

24:57

were kind of pent up and wanting to

24:59

do anyway. I just love the

25:01

thought of, I would have just

25:03

been all killed out. Out? I

25:06

don't think so. I'm just saying, I don't

25:08

know about you guys, but after a few

25:11

hours, I've just been all killed out. My

25:13

parents were killed. I'm going to kill every

25:15

single person in America. What? You

25:18

violently murder them, you're not sniping them from

25:20

across the room. You're probably stabbing them or

25:22

whatever they're doing, shooting them in the face

25:24

with a bow and arrow from pretty close.

25:27

It's probably pretty visceral, probably putting a knife in

25:29

them, whatever, whatever, right? It's

25:31

not, I think if I was in their

25:33

place though, it's not the people who killed

25:35

my parents. It's the concept

25:37

of the Patriots because we were loyalists

25:40

to the crown and this group

25:43

killed my parents and so

25:45

we must stop the group. That's

25:47

how you can keep killing forever. You can just like,

25:49

I'm going to keep going because there's

25:52

always someone. This is like the plot

25:54

of pretty much half the Quentin Tarantino

25:56

movie. I'm with

25:58

you Jesse until they cross a line. Oh,

26:00

they're serial killers. I mean, I'm not saying anything they're

26:02

doing. I'm just saying from their perspective Sure,

26:05

like we're just gonna keep killing It's

26:07

it's how you end up in like an action

26:09

flick going from you kill the local guy Tonight

26:11

I gotta take down the mob boss and I've

26:14

taken down the president So that the president was

26:16

the biggest drug dealer, you know, and that's same

26:18

vibe I've just never had I've just never

26:20

had like a slow burn catharsis like like

26:24

I get need for revenge and then you And

26:28

then you're like, how do you keep that going? Like how

26:30

do you keep being that angry for

26:32

him? Never had a commando moment. You

26:34

never throw a knife at a guy and he stuck to

26:37

a wall like stick around let off You

26:42

ever said I'd like you so I kill you

26:45

last you're venting steam out of your eye Let

26:48

off some steam Yeah,

26:51

you never done that no Have

26:53

not you never said a man on fire and

26:55

been like smoking's bad fuel health I

26:58

feel like I feel like after I did extreme

27:00

violence once you're down my system. That's all I'm

27:02

saying It was really motivated by revenge. Right? Right?

27:04

I'm just I feel like I would be like

27:07

ah, I don't think I'm just capable I feel

27:09

like I'd get close and then like I'd like

27:11

pierce the skin and see blood like I

27:14

don't want to entertain whether or not like taking a

27:16

bag of coins and hit a man and said I've

27:18

knocked some sense into you Like

27:21

that no, no, no, what movie are these

27:23

quotes from their clearly Arnold Schwarzenegger? I just

27:25

don't know about that. That's just what he

27:27

does. He's like he hits you the microphone

27:30

and he's like Did you hear

27:32

that? It's like you like it just adds a

27:34

little he adds a little stank to it I

27:36

guess sadly for the brothers at least it from

27:39

their perspective The war was going

27:41

to come to a close at some

27:43

point and it did and then in

27:45

the aftermath of the Revolutionary War Left

27:47

the Harp brothers kind of adrift their

27:50

loyalist cause defeated and the reputation is ruthless

27:52

killers preceding them They were kind of left

27:54

with the worst possible side effect of like

27:57

what they did murderous traders. Yeah.

27:59

Yeah exactly. Their once familiar

28:01

homeland had become hostile territory forcing

28:03

them to seek refuge in anonymity

28:06

elsewhere. Fueled by a restless

28:08

spirit and a thirst for violence still

28:10

that had been nurtured during the war

28:12

and had not abated after the war

28:15

had ended, they embarked on a nomadic

28:17

existence drifting through the untamed wilderness of

28:19

the frontier. They roamed the rugged landscapes

28:22

of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Illinois. These are

28:24

the three states that they were active

28:26

in during this time, leaving a trail

28:29

of bloodshed and terror in their wake.

28:31

Their notoriety also wasn't just for

28:33

brutal killings, but also for their

28:36

very peculiar living habits and shall

28:38

we say, less than

28:40

stellar hygiene. So they

28:42

had a reputation. What the f- What

28:44

the fuck? These guys. They're just

28:47

like murdering ninjas that live only for

28:49

the kill and just like let all

28:51

worldly concerns fall to the side, including

28:53

their own personal hygiene. You know how

28:56

D&D players call party murder hobos? Yeah,

28:59

that's exactly what these dudes are. That's

29:02

the literal definition of who these fuckers are. They're

29:04

not the Hart brothers, they're the LARP brothers. They're

29:06

the LARP brothers. They're the LARP brothers. They're just

29:08

killing people for real. Yeah,

29:10

they weren't known for staying in five

29:12

star accommodations. They often sought refuge in

29:14

caves, sometimes makeshift shelters deep

29:16

in the wilderness, far

29:19

away from prying eyes of civilization.

29:22

Nothing cozy, no Pinterest worthy cave

29:24

dwellings. Like this, this is just

29:26

them living in a damp, dark

29:28

and probably teeming with insects and

29:30

nasty shit, bugs everywhere, caves. They

29:32

just, that's what they lived in.

29:34

Don't worry, brother. Tomorrow we will

29:36

kill. This is fine for now.

29:39

Mickey or was that Wiley? That's both of them.

29:41

They just say everything in unison to each other.

29:43

Oh, okay. Yeah, got you. At the exact same

29:45

time. Yes, brother. Yeah. Well, one calls the

29:48

other brother and the other calls the other

29:50

one cousin. Yeah. So it comes out kind

29:52

of like Cuddler brothers. Yeah, perfect. Right. Bresons

29:55

sucks, dude. And it echoes in the caves and

29:57

the bugs are like. As

30:00

for their personal hygiene again, you know hygiene

30:02

isn't like the biggest thing back then But

30:04

it was still a thing and even for

30:07

that time period their hygiene

30:09

was less than desirable Bathing

30:12

was just not on their list of

30:14

priorities and they considered themselves quote-unquote one

30:16

with nature Which in their

30:18

case meant smelling like a mix of

30:20

sweat dirt rotting blood like meat blood

30:22

and whatever unfortunate animal that they butchered

30:24

For dinner that evening what these are

30:26

not guys that you would come like

30:28

You walk in and hang out with

30:30

their stench was so legendary that it

30:32

became a part of their repute like

30:34

their infamous reputation That's like they were

30:36

like murdering and smelling like shit like

30:39

those was a hot thing Game

30:41

known for where? Some

30:44

accounts look to the caves outside of

30:46

town for two shit

30:48

smelling murderers that come visiting

30:51

in the night It's a shame. Nobody

30:53

gave them like a poop pun name

30:56

That's they should get one the sharp brother

30:58

boys think it was sharp brothers for the

31:00

rest of the episode You two need to

31:02

start pitching like murder names have to do

31:04

a poop in sharp brothers sure That's that's

31:06

that that could work. That's but

31:08

think I'm done to rap fellows the

31:10

fecal fellas the

31:13

boob rose the boob boob rose Yeah,

31:17

so the corn poo Padres

31:20

the saggy bottomed boys, all

31:22

right I

31:30

Have an image of like just a dump the

31:32

heavy diapers and the heavy diaper dudes

31:35

They're wearing those fancy coats looking like

31:37

cavemen with shit in their pants Amazing

31:39

it's pulling their underwear down so that it makes like

31:42

a loop like behind their butt So you can like

31:44

see their butt crack still because there's so much poop

31:46

in the diaper. Yeah I According

31:54

to some accounts they kill people

31:57

and they smell like shit literally

32:00

I told you I love these stories. That

32:02

fucking sucks. It sucks

32:04

so bad. Oh, God. Um,

32:07

there's some accounts claim that their

32:09

odor was so pungent that it

32:11

could be detected from a considerable

32:13

distance. It was almost a warning

32:15

for potential victims of their approach. They

32:18

know we damage. Rumors in villages about how to know

32:20

if these killers are coming, you can smell them if

32:22

you smell something nasty. Get away. They're on their way.

32:24

They're coming. Imagine telling kids, baby, if you smell that

32:27

shit, if you smell that shit, just come running. Because

32:29

that's the Boo Boo Boys. That's the saggy

32:32

bottom brothers. It's kind of

32:34

like in a horror movie where the fog

32:36

rolls in, except it's ass stink. And

32:38

it's just like, what's about to happen when the music

32:40

starts? It's not the wild hunt

32:42

at point seven. Oh, dude, the mist, except

32:45

it's them. Yeah,

32:47

it's the stink lines coming from their butt.

32:50

Instead of black and white, it's sepia. A

32:56

few others claim

32:59

that they believe that this was a deliberate

33:01

tactic that they used to intimidate

33:03

and disorient their prey. Absolutely not.

33:06

There are others at the time, they're like, no, they

33:08

do it on purpose. I'm like, we're actually quite hygienic,

33:10

honestly, we are. But before we go out on a

33:12

hunt, we just smear poop and meat and blood all

33:14

over ourselves and wait for it to go rotten so

33:16

that the children know to run home before they get

33:18

sick. So they can

33:20

hide from the predator, who we all know

33:23

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33:25

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35:02

actually have a couple of quotes pulled from

35:04

some newspapers back in that time. A local

35:06

settler recounting an encounter that he supposedly had

35:08

with the brothers in a Kentucky Tavern reportedly

35:11

exclaimed, the very air turned

35:14

foul as they entered like a carnal house

35:16

had opened its doors. That

35:20

how you say it, is it carnal house or charnel? Were

35:22

they welcome in these places? Yeah,

35:26

because there was no evidence that they were them

35:28

really. No, but I mean, if I'm

35:30

the proprietor of an establishment that sells

35:32

ale this time, and a bunch

35:35

of stank brothers roll in, and everyone else there

35:37

is like, whoa, can't I just be like, sirs,

35:39

you need to leave. Y'all are stinking up my

35:41

customers. I imagine he could. And frankly, I ain't

35:43

gonna have it. I imagine he could if it

35:45

was driving business away, but you're also at a

35:47

time where they might fight you because of it.

35:49

Yeah. Or maybe he knows that

35:52

they're the shit smelling murderers that

35:54

are content around these parts. The

35:56

Dookie brothers? Yeah, the Doon-Tillers. The

35:58

Doon-Tillers, yeah. The Cacaw Killers,

36:02

a traveler who crossed paths with the Harps

36:04

on a wilderness trail once described their scent

36:06

as, quote, a noxious cloud that cloned to

36:09

them like a shroud, warning all who approached

36:11

to keep their distance. The shit boys. And

36:13

then one newspaper article from the time reporting

36:15

on their capture described their appearance as, quote,

36:18

filthy and unkempt, their bodies reeking of a

36:20

stench that could only be born of weeks,

36:22

if not months without bathing. Weeks

36:25

if not months. Hold on,

36:27

hold on now. Are

36:30

they still fancy suited at this point or

36:32

are they cavemen now? Well, I imagine they're

36:34

wearing their fancy clothes, but they're living in

36:36

caves, so it's getting deteriorated. And they're probably,

36:38

but they're murdering. Are they hairy? No, their

36:40

hair is cut short. They probably look like

36:42

fucking ghost butlers from a fucking haunted mansion

36:44

or some shit. So they have, remember they're

36:46

taking the things that they are from their

36:48

victims, so they're always going to have new

36:50

clothes that they just keep murdering. And

36:53

they probably cut their own hair. I imagine they

36:55

probably just cut their own hair. This is disappointing.

36:57

Now it's disappointing? They're going to stink. They're going

36:59

to stink a poo. I want them to be

37:01

full off like. You wanted like Rognak and Lagnar,

37:03

the two cavemen. You know, they

37:05

have a big club. They drag along behind them. I

37:08

prefer the image of these faux like

37:10

aristocrats living in a fucking cave, murdered

37:12

and murdering a cake with blood. I

37:14

expect aristocrats to kill. I'm not worried

37:16

about like that. I expect aristocrat

37:19

murderers. That's a trope. I

37:22

want cavemen, American cavemen.

37:25

That's what I'm here for. I hate that they

37:27

smell like shit. You're still on it. You're still

37:29

on it. I hate that they smell like shit.

37:31

Yeah, that's so that's so I would hate to

37:33

be killed by somebody who smelled like shit. I

37:36

would hate to be like murdered by the guy that I

37:38

was just thinking about how much he smelled like shit. That

37:41

sucks. Oh,

37:43

that guy smells like shit. Oh, he's stabbing

37:45

me. Oh, it smells like shit. That's

37:48

going to get infected, dude. Oh, no.

37:50

Yeah, that's a huge concern back then.

37:52

Rather than caves, these guys also, in

37:55

addition to them, would construct makeshift shelters

37:57

in the wilderness. These could range from

38:00

simple lean-to's to crude log cabins depending

38:02

on the availability of materials and the

38:04

length of their stay. These

38:06

shelters were often hastily built and abandoned as they

38:08

kept them moving from village or

38:10

town to town. And then

38:12

one of the most notorious locations associated with

38:14

the Harp brothers is Cave in Rock, a

38:17

natural cave formation along the Ohio River in

38:19

Illinois. This cave was known as a haven

38:21

for outlaws and river pirates, but

38:23

in the Harps are believed to have

38:25

sought refuge there for a time. However,

38:27

their stay was short-lived due to their

38:29

increasingly violent behavior, even by outlaw standards.

38:59

Moving past the Revolutionary War, looking to what

39:01

their first quote-unquote serial killing would be, it's

39:04

kind of hard to figure out what

39:06

the details of it were because early

39:09

crimes back then are now a mix

39:11

of fact, folklore, and speculation. However, it

39:13

is documented, and we do have their

39:16

first documented murder occurring in 1797 near

39:18

Knoxville, Tennessee. This year, the Harp brothers

39:25

were found themselves in a precarious situation.

39:27

They had settled near Knoxville, Tennessee, attempting

39:30

to blend in with the local community. This

39:32

is kind of what they did. They'd go

39:34

to a new area. Unfortunately, they smelled like

39:36

shit, and so everybody knew who they were

39:38

right away. However,

39:41

their true natures as thieves and murderers

39:43

would begin to surface over time. So

39:45

they're like cuckoo birds. Yes,

39:48

yes, like cuckoo birds. Accusations

39:50

of stolen pigs and horses circulated through

39:53

the town, casting a shadow of suspicion

39:55

of the two newcomers who didn't stay

39:57

in town but came into town

39:59

often. Their reputation as troublemakers would

40:01

grow over time with each whispered rumor,

40:03

and the locals once welcoming now began

40:05

eyeing them with caution and distrust. The

40:08

Hart brothers, sensing the changing tide of

40:10

public opinion, decided it was time to

40:12

make a hasty departure. They packed their

40:14

meager belongings, gathered their stolen livestock, and

40:16

slipped away under the cover of darkness.

40:18

They left behind a trail of fear,

40:21

but their names forever were tainted in the

40:23

eyes of the Noxville community. However,

40:25

their departure did not go unnoticed. Soon

40:28

after, the body of a local man

40:30

named Johnson was discovered in a nearby

40:32

river. The gruesome scene that

40:35

greeted the townspeople was chilling. Johnson's

40:37

body was found floating in the river, covered

40:39

in piss, a sign of the brothers' utter

40:43

contempt for their victim. His chest

40:45

had been savagely cut open, and they

40:47

filled his torso with stones. It

40:51

was an attempt to weigh the body down

40:53

into the river, and a

40:55

half-assed attempt to conceal their crime. This,

40:58

cutting open a body and filling it with stones,

41:00

became kind of their go-to move. This

41:03

was almost always done with their victims moving forward.

41:05

How do they know they peed on it, if

41:07

it's in a river? Don't, I don't. That's just

41:09

what they said. I don't know, this is the

41:11

newspaper. I'll ask them 200 years. It's

41:15

a pee-soaked, so they're MO after all

41:17

this, so they smell like shit. They

41:20

fucking live in caves. They

41:22

fucking steal everything that they want to

41:25

own. They just take

41:27

what they want from dead bodies like they're

41:29

playing Fallout. And then they, when

41:32

they're all done, they take the

41:34

body, chop it open, put

41:36

a bunch of rocks inside and piss on it.

41:39

And they just did this for years? For

41:41

about two to three years, they got away with it, yeah.

41:47

What kind of numbers are we talking about? We'll

41:50

get to it. Sweet Jesus. We'll get

41:52

to it. The gruesome act of desecration

41:54

became their hallmark, kind of like their

41:57

calling card of their murder spree. the

42:00

same method of corpse disposal, filling the bodies

42:02

of their victims with stones and dumping them

42:04

in rivers or lakes in a vain attempt

42:06

to conceal their crimes was their go-to and

42:09

it almost never worked. Like, they literally felt

42:11

like they kind of- Calling that corpse disposal

42:13

is like me saying I ate

42:15

a pizza and then I just threw it around

42:17

my kitchen onto the walls of the kitchen. Yeah,

42:19

yeah, yeah, that's appropriate. The discovery

42:22

of Johnson's body clearly confirmed the worst

42:24

fears of the Knoxville community. The Hart

42:26

brothers were not just thieves, they were

42:28

killers. Their hasty departure- They were pissing

42:30

rock-filling fools. Rock-filling poop-fants-filling idiots.

42:32

Their hasty departure now seemed

42:35

less like an act of

42:37

self-preservation and more like a

42:39

cowardly escape from justice. With

42:41

the law hot on their heels now

42:43

and the stench of suspicion clinging to

42:45

them, the Hart brothers fled northward, seeking

42:47

refuge in the rugged wilderness of Kentucky.

42:50

They followed the well-worn path of the

42:52

wilderness road, a treacherous route carved through

42:54

the Cumberland Gap where danger lurked around

42:56

every bend. Their first victim in

42:58

this new territory was a hapless peddler by

43:00

the name of Peyton. The brothers,

43:02

ever opportunistic and driven by an

43:05

insatiable greed, saw an easy target

43:07

in the lone traveler. They've ambushed

43:09

him, sealing his horse in whatever valuables he

43:11

carried, and Peyton's life was snuffed out, his

43:13

body left to rot in the unforgiving wilderness-

43:17

nothing more than a quiet testament to the

43:19

harp's growing depravity. Yeah, so this

43:21

is poor fucking Peyton, just like they saw

43:23

him and that was all. They're just like, let's

43:25

take all this shit and kill him, which is

43:27

something that Boone Helm did, the Kentucky Cat-Cannibal, multiple

43:30

times of this, like these traitors that he'd saw.

43:32

He'd like either work his way into their camp

43:34

or jump him at night just to take whatever

43:36

he could and then also take pieces

43:38

of his body to eat. They didn't take any of his body.

43:40

They just took whatever he had on him. Their

43:43

bloodlust was now unleashed. This was difficult for

43:45

them to contain, or at least they didn't

43:47

even bother attempting to, because in December of

43:49

that same year, they encountered two travelers from

43:52

Maryland, their journey cut short By the

43:54

harp's merciless blades. The Brothers left no

43:56

witnesses, their victims remained hidden in the

43:58

vast wilderness. And

44:00

their fates unknown to their loved ones

44:03

for a very long time. Their next

44:05

victim, a man named John Langford, met

44:07

a similar fate. He was traveling from

44:09

Virginia to Kentucky unaware of the danger

44:12

lurking in the shadows and the harper

44:14

drawn to his vulnerability like vultures to

44:16

carry and ambushed him ceiling his possessions

44:18

and leaving his lifeless body as a

44:21

grim warning to others who dared venture

44:23

into their territory as he had multiple

44:25

fine cause fill saw that during this

44:27

time period anyone goes anywhere alone. Me:

44:30

To my thought of like really everyone

44:32

is trying to kill you have people

44:34

just walk around thirty one as you're

44:36

alone. Dylan made us rather kill you.

44:38

The fact me like I guess I'll

44:40

go take my was Kentucky might do

44:42

to die out there and by yourself.

44:44

I. Barely want to go out by

44:47

myself now it's ice like the batteries.

44:49

I don't want to walk out of

44:51

my house on for alone and them

44:53

walk like a hundred miles or something.

44:55

Twenty miles in over the course of

44:57

months we see three victims already. Enough

45:00

to really fast for serial killers who

45:02

had just started serial killing. but again

45:04

I think the war was them actually

45:06

starting ended it Rumors and whispers spread

45:08

to the nearby areas Quickly a local

45:11

innkeeper recognizing the heart some descriptions given

45:13

by other travelers alerted the authorities. That

45:15

they were actually nearby has never. These guys

45:17

were trying to come into town. Still, every

45:19

like mingle with society and go to the

45:21

fucking tavern sticking out like sore thumbs and

45:23

smelling like as the entire time. The.

45:26

Brothers their trail of blood going longer.

45:28

Were pursued by a posse of determined

45:30

lost an. Arm. And a I

45:32

mean passing the literal sense that

45:34

policies were formed sanctioned by by

45:36

the sheriff. And. Off they

45:38

went, And in a rare moment of

45:41

misfortune, the hearts were captured. same absolutely

45:43

imprisoned at this time. In. It's

45:45

in the State prison at Danville, Kentucky, so

45:47

they actually were caught by the policy. But.

45:50

Their incarceration was incredibly short

45:52

lived. They. Were incredibly conning and

45:54

resourceful and we don't know the details but

45:56

we know that they escaped Smith the bad

45:59

had to be like a nice to have

46:01

a very the all disturbing other prisoners ever

46:03

been around them double the guard passed out

46:05

from the stank they grabbed the kill your

46:08

on the sewers no one to tell the

46:10

difference in this was the authorities just humiliated

46:12

and zone and we don't know. I couldn't

46:14

find details anyways exactly how this guy escaped

46:17

Cider know. Arm. And in

46:19

a final act of defiance and vengeance

46:21

The Heart sought out a family who

46:23

is aided the authorities and were one

46:25

of the main reasons they they were

46:27

captured in the first place in Wouldn't

46:29

they Do as Vengeance but brutally murdered

46:31

the young son of the family, mutilate

46:33

his body in a grotesque display of

46:35

crude or cruelty and an. Antibody

46:37

open, fill it with stones

46:39

and toss it in a

46:41

nearby river are stored securely

46:43

for Vengeance. We.

46:46

Move Mountains Or seventeen Ninety

46:48

Nine. The. Use of a D. Ninety

46:50

nine dawned for the heart brothers who were moving

46:53

from town to town still doing in St. Louis

46:55

distilling. The. News was toying around their

46:57

necks though because they you can only go

46:59

so far before the rumors spreading are everywhere

47:01

now and unless you slowly move way out

47:03

west which there's nothing at the time out

47:06

that way or closer to civilization, people already

47:08

know you like there was no escape year

47:10

there was really know where these guys could

47:12

go. They couldn't jump on a train, there

47:14

was no plane they put themselves in. kind

47:17

of cornered themselves. And this

47:19

was at the time is of the time

47:21

of the got a Kentucky Gov place, the

47:23

three hundred dollar bounty on each of their

47:25

head theater dollars and seventeen ninety nine money

47:27

ah Wage Seventy and the suppression of. Ah,

47:30

three hundred dollars in modern at

47:32

around seventy six hundred bucks. bucks

47:34

in today's are sort of money

47:36

sewn onto the currency so almost

47:39

caused a grant a a decent

47:41

amount of on factoring in inflation.

47:43

Best the difference. And oh

47:45

yes, that's true. Yeah, Ah, this

47:47

was again for everybody, but then not

47:50

a huge sums of no small smith.

47:52

Some this is enough to entice even

47:54

the most hesitant bounty hunters to pursue

47:56

these guys because they were just that.

47:58

Wanted. To. Harm. Realizing the gravity

48:00

the situation did with they always it

48:02

and sled northwards deeper into the wilderness

48:04

and their flight was marked by continued

48:07

spree of violence as a desperately sought

48:09

to evade capture. still looking help himself

48:11

would just kill along the way. Ah

48:13

along the way they encountered to

48:15

man named Edmonton in Stump Which

48:17

I fucking love. What are those?

48:19

First name? Edmonton and Stump? Ah

48:21

are they first names? I don't

48:23

know. Stump is I think Edmonton.

48:25

I love Stomp Do Edmunds. It

48:27

is almost better than Stone By

48:29

Love Stomp. Yeah I'd it's like is

48:32

that a good of little Bear suit but

48:34

the two together I feel did have like

48:36

a pretty successful business in the seventeen hundreds

48:38

edmonton stump whenever they do. Feel like

48:40

they would be successful? These guys unfortunately where

48:42

the next victims. The Harps with a trademark

48:44

brutality left no witnesses and no trace of

48:46

their crime save for the lifeless bodies strewn

48:49

long their path. As. They considered

48:51

moving north being and they neared the mouth

48:53

of the Seine River in Southern Illinois. Their

48:55

blood lust remained unseen. It. They. Stumbled

48:57

upon a campus three unsuspecting travelers,

48:59

their lives abruptly extinguished by the

49:01

her brother's ruthless blades it was a

49:04

senseless act of violence against dripping by

49:06

seemingly insatiable thirst for blood and nothing

49:08

more. Their. Relentless pursuit of anonymity

49:11

and safety lead them to cave in

49:13

rock, a natural cab, or a national

49:15

cavern. Nestled in the bluff overlooking the

49:17

Ohio River is notorious I. that was

49:19

a haven for river pirates and out

49:21

was like I said including the infamous

49:23

Samuel Mason, a ruthless gang leader who

49:25

ruled the waterways with an iron fist.

49:27

Time. The hearts drawn to the

49:29

caves reputation as a sanctuary for criminals sought

49:31

refuge there are within the depths. However,

49:34

There respite was short lived a posse hop

49:36

in their trail have followed them to the

49:38

edge of the Ohio River, in their pursuit

49:40

halted only by the vast expanse of water that

49:42

separate them from their quarry. The

49:44

Heart Brothers found themselves trapped their backs against

49:47

the wall in the river. Once a symbol

49:49

of freedom and escape have become a barrier,

49:51

cutting them off from potential allies and escape

49:53

routes. Their fate it seemed was sealed. They.

49:56

Were cornered. The days of terror numbered in. The

49:58

question was know if they would be com. What?

50:00

Will buying or but when in by

50:02

whom. In. The Summer this summer. Seventeen

50:04

Ninety Nine, their reign of terror was coming

50:06

to a close now pinned against the corner.

50:08

With that with the river now I'm giving

50:10

them are the boundaries of as the posse

50:13

could not cross the river to get to

50:15

them and they were not of they couldn't

50:17

cross the river because they'd get caught. It

50:19

all would reach it's climax on August Twenty

50:21

Fourth, Seventeen Ninety Nine. The. Posse hardly

50:23

a harp seals a quarter them. As

50:25

they were preparing to claim another victim

50:27

they snuck out in it and to

50:29

get away but the party salt. Lake.

50:32

He they had cornered a settler by the name of

50:34

George Smith. Called. Upon to surrender,

50:36

the outlaws instead chose to make a

50:38

desperate run for freedom. Liquidate. they went

50:40

out. And course I did hot out

50:42

either like they're like hell no. Butch

50:45

Cassidy, the Sundance Kid throughout. exactly. I'm.

50:47

So. Mickey. However, sides I

50:49

ran movie wasn't very lucky.

50:52

A well, a shot from a man

50:54

by the name of Lifers rifle struck

50:56

Mighty Mickey in the in the legs

50:58

and back, bringing him crashing off of

51:00

his horse and he had jumps on

51:02

to run off. In the

51:04

ensuing scuffle, labor. Or

51:06

tackled him, subdued him. Ah, and

51:08

then with a swift blow from

51:10

his tomahawk, put him down. So.

51:13

He's the and like for had a

51:15

tomahawk and whacked mighty a mic. I

51:17

just took him straight up out. like

51:19

getting started bleeding out. He wasn't fully

51:21

dead and as he was being held

51:24

down he learned from Mighty some of

51:26

the atrocities that they actually committed. First

51:28

and foremost, He counted about

51:30

twenty victims there in about the two

51:32

of them and killed twenty innocent people

51:35

over the years of they were. Feeling.

51:38

Essentially in one of the biggest stories

51:40

and was the worst ones is actually

51:43

the line where I'm like okay it

51:45

was more than vengeance and petty vengeance.

51:47

These guys were. Monsters. obviously

51:49

attacking people on the trail randomly is evil

51:51

and all se but if they were truly

51:54

like i'll never give up my loyalty fuck

51:56

every are you know problem as to who

51:58

think they're a separate countries Maybe you can

52:00

kind of see like what they were doing.

52:02

But the story goes that in the summer

52:05

of 1798, the year prior to them getting

52:07

caught, the

52:10

Harp brothers fell into

52:12

a family that would change their lives

52:14

forever. They were still murdering

52:16

like absolute insane people and their

52:18

victims this time around were nothing

52:20

but farmers. A farmer named Bradbury,

52:22

a man named Harden and a

52:24

young boy named Coffee whose

52:27

lives were snuffed out. Coffee, but C-O-F-F-E-Y.

52:33

Okay. Yeah. Alrighty. Because

52:35

that's yeah. We can say nothing. We can

52:37

say I'm just r slash

52:40

tragedy. Trust me. We have nothing

52:42

to say. What? Yeah, that's cool. What is

52:44

that? You right. That's like this subreddit. Yeah,

52:46

subreddit with bad names that people name like

52:48

random shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild.

52:51

After killing the farmers, they lived in the

52:53

house for a while and it's important to

52:55

know that my my Mickey

52:57

and Wiley both had wives

53:00

and a child. Mickey.

53:03

Mickey had a child specifically. They got married.

53:05

What do you mean they had wives? Like

53:08

where were the wives with them following

53:10

them around literally following them around as

53:12

they're moving from town to town because

53:15

they were. Remember people they

53:17

were again going back to Belle star. There

53:19

were people who were married to the criminals

53:21

that weren't actually criminals, but they lived off

53:23

the lifestyle that provided them and

53:25

they were rotten while they were murdering. People the

53:28

wives were not there for the murders. They were

53:30

just being brought back all of the stuff that

53:32

they got off of their hanging out in the

53:34

cave chilling. Yeah, doing you know, thinking that they're

53:36

living a typical outlaw wife,

53:39

wife, wife, lifestyle. Yeah, it's fucking

53:41

crazy, but they didn't know

53:43

really until later on exactly what

53:45

was going on. But one

53:48

particular day Mickey's daughter,

53:50

infant daughter was crying.

53:53

And so to shut her up, Mickey

53:55

walked over, grabbed his daughter, took her

53:57

outside and smashed her head into a

53:59

tree. until she died. Damn.

54:02

The wife had no idea and actually

54:04

complimented him for actually getting the daughter

54:06

to quiet up before learning what actually

54:08

happened but she did not leave him.

54:10

What the fuck? He then did that

54:12

again to another family that

54:14

they murdered to their infant boy because

54:17

it was annoying him that he was

54:19

crying so he took him outside and

54:21

smashed his head into a tree until

54:23

he died. Like this is the

54:25

shit where I'm like, oh no, you're just fucking

54:28

serial killers. You're not. There is

54:30

no quote unquote vengeance or principle

54:32

here. You're just monsters. The

54:35

rage completely overtook

54:37

them. As

54:40

he's lying there, dying out, admitting

54:43

to countless atrocities, he is

54:46

life bleeding out. Leiper slowly

54:48

then takes the tomahawk

54:51

and slowly severs Harp's head

54:54

from his body. The decapitated

54:57

head was then taken as a grotesque trophy

55:00

which was later displayed on a pole, maybe

55:02

a tree in some stories that we're not

55:04

entirely certain if it was a pole or

55:06

a tree, but it was put

55:08

up at a crossroads near the Stiegel cabin

55:10

which is where the baby killing all fucking

55:12

happened. This grim monument, a chilling

55:14

reminder to Harp's reign of terror, came

55:17

known as Harp's Head or Harp's Head

55:19

Road, a name that still

55:21

echoes through the annals of Webster County's history,

55:23

serving as a chilling reminder of the dark

55:25

deeds done that once transpired there. But his

55:27

younger brother got away. In

55:30

the chaos of Mickey getting caught, Wylie

55:32

Harp, ever the cunning survivor managed to

55:35

slip through the posses fingers and vanished

55:37

into the wilderness. He eventually found

55:39

his way to cave in rock

55:41

again, that notorious hideout where

55:44

he rejoined the infamous Mason gang

55:46

led by Samuel Mason and four

55:48

years would pass in a twist

55:51

of fate before Wylie Harp found

55:53

himself captured alongside the rest of

55:55

the Mason gang. However, his

55:57

cunning and resourcefulness once again came to an end.

56:00

to his age because he wasn't

56:02

known by Wiley Harp anymore. He had

56:04

taken on an alias. John Sutton or

56:06

John Sutton, we're not entirely sure, it's

56:08

just the change of one letter. And

56:10

he successfully evaded recognition and escaped the

56:13

clutches of the law alongside Samuel Mason

56:15

himself. Because there was no photography and

56:17

no way to like verify who he

56:19

was, you'd just be like, that's not

56:21

me. I mean, the way they described

56:23

him in the description earlier, that could

56:26

be any number of people at the

56:28

time. I'm picturing that kid from

56:30

the Johnny Depp Sleepy Hollow movie. I don't know

56:32

why. That's where my, like when you said it,

56:34

that's where my head went right away. However, getting

56:37

out was again short lived for him.

56:39

Their freedom was once

56:42

again thrown into chaos. Mason was eventually

56:44

shot, though the exact circumstances of his

56:46

demise remain kind of shrouded in historical

56:48

mystery. We don't really know what got

56:50

him. But undeterred by the

56:52

setback of losing the gang leader, Wiley

56:54

Harp, accompanied by fellow gang member Peter

56:56

Alston, who masqueraded under the name of

56:59

James May, concocted a daring plan.

57:01

They sought to claim the bounty on

57:03

Samuel Mason's head, presenting his severed head

57:05

as proof of their deed. However, their

57:08

scheme unraveled when a perceptive Kentuckian recognized

57:10

Harp and Alston as wanted outlaws. They

57:12

were trying to expand the death of

57:15

their leader and be like, hey, hang on. Maybe

57:17

we can make bank off the fact that he's dead.

57:19

And people immediately recognized who

57:22

they were. The two of

57:24

them were swiftly apprehended because they did try.

57:26

They walked into town and tried and then

57:28

they were just arrested because they're like, the

57:31

fucking audacity of

57:34

that. That's like computer thinking.

57:36

They just immediately

57:38

like moved to the next like angle right

57:41

away without even thinking. So they walked

57:43

into town like we're going to go claim

57:45

this bounty and we're fucking instantly arrested. Good

57:47

lord. But

57:50

their knack for escape had not

57:52

deserted them yet. They managed to

57:54

break free from custody again, getting

57:56

away for mere days before they

57:59

were recaptured. again. This

58:01

time, however, their luck had

58:03

finally fucking run out. They

58:05

were tried, convicted and sentenced

58:08

to death by hanging in

58:10

January of 1804, Wiley Harp

58:12

and Peter Alston met their grim fate at

58:14

the end of a rope. Their severed

58:16

heads, much like his brother, a chilling

58:18

testament to their criminal lives, were impaled

58:21

on stakes along Natchez's traits. And

58:24

no, serving as another warning to

58:26

any who dared try to follow

58:28

in their bloody footsteps. And they

58:30

still smelled like shit even

58:32

then. The

58:34

two, I mean, as the dust settled on

58:37

their reign of terror, the women that they

58:39

had entangled in their lives found themselves on

58:41

unexpected paths to redemption, actually. Three

58:43

from the clutches of their captors, because that's what they would

58:45

go on to say, is that they were kind of just

58:47

kept there as prisoners at that point. There's nothing they could

58:50

do. Sally Rice Harp,

58:52

Susan Wood and Betsy Roberts,

58:54

with an alias also known

58:56

as Maria Davidson, were apprehended and

58:58

brought to Russellville, Kentucky courthouse.

59:01

However, their innocence was evident and they

59:03

were soon released, their past lives as

59:05

unwilling companions to the outlaws, seemingly forgiven.

59:08

Sally, wife to the infamous Wiley, fought solace

59:10

and refuge in her father's home in Knoxville,

59:13

Tennessee. The shadows of her past marriage

59:15

seemed to fade as she rebuilt her life within the

59:17

familiar embrace of a family. Susan Wood,

59:19

once a captive of the Harp brothers

59:21

grim world, found love again. She remarried

59:24

and settled in Tennessee where she raised

59:26

a family and eventually passed away, her

59:28

daughter later venturing to the vast expanse

59:31

of Texas. Then Betsy Roberts, aka Maria

59:33

Davidson, embarked

59:35

on a new chapter in her life

59:37

afterward. She married John Houghstuttler on

59:40

September 27, 1803. Together he lived

59:43

his tenants on Colonel Butler's plantation.

59:46

Houghstuttler and Butler? Yeah. Houghstuttler

59:49

lived on the Butler plantation? He did.

59:51

Houghstuttler lived on the Butler plantation. Love

59:53

that. Their lives took them to Hamilton

59:55

County, Illinois in 1828 where they raised

59:57

a large family and their legacy going

1:00:00

through generations until they passed in the

1:00:02

1860s. And in

1:00:04

a weird twist of fate, Sally Rice,

1:00:06

who had also remarried, crossed paths with

1:00:08

Betsy Roberts once more in the future.

1:00:11

In 1820, Sally and her husband, along with

1:00:13

her father, journeyed to their new home in Illinois,

1:00:15

their route taking them across the cave in

1:00:17

Rock Ferry, a place where Betsy Roberts and

1:00:19

her family had once resided. The encounter

1:00:21

must have been a poignant reminder for them, I imagine,

1:00:23

just like kind of coming together again. But

1:00:26

they just like crossed paths, said their hellos, and

1:00:28

then went on with their lives, and

1:00:30

then never saw each other again after that. And on

1:00:33

that, the happy ending of the wives of

1:00:36

these criminals, and the justice

1:00:38

finally getting to the two Harp brothers. That seems

1:00:40

like a lot of years, doesn't it? It

1:00:43

is, yeah. So they were probably, I imagine,

1:00:45

they were probably in their late

1:00:47

teens, maybe, when they were taken by the boys. And

1:00:49

they were like 40 or 30? 30s,

1:00:52

probably, somewhere in there, yeah, yeah. Because you said they

1:00:54

were born in 18, or 1744, 1739? They

1:00:58

were born in the late 1740s, somewhere on there, yeah.

1:01:01

And then these wives lived all the way to 1860? One

1:01:05

of them lived to the 1860s. Yes, that

1:01:07

is amazing, still, that's amazing. That's a long

1:01:09

time. I didn't look into them three, their

1:01:11

specific histories, along with the story, I feel

1:01:14

like, you know, I'm curious

1:01:16

what it is, but yeah. That ends the

1:01:18

story of what is documented to

1:01:20

be what people consider the US's very

1:01:22

first serial killer. So the body count

1:01:25

of at least somewhere around 20. That

1:01:27

is frickin' insane, 20 people. I

1:01:30

thought it was crazy too, but again, it's crazy

1:01:32

just because of how crazy they had to be

1:01:34

to be considered crazy at the time. And they

1:01:37

smelled like ass the whole time, which is just

1:01:39

like a bar. I hate that they smelled like

1:01:41

shit and they murdered people and they filled them

1:01:43

with rocks and pissed on them. Yeah, so fuckin'

1:01:45

shit. And they lived in caves and they dragged

1:01:48

their wives around, like walking through the wilderness. And

1:01:50

then murdered their baby daughter. That

1:01:52

is just absolutely fuckin' insane. Good

1:01:55

riddance to these fuckers. What an insane

1:01:57

couch. Like,

1:02:02

I can't believe that's the same species that I am

1:02:04

that they could have that life. That's

1:02:07

crazy. And if you think about

1:02:09

it, that's not that long ago. No.

1:02:13

Like, it's 17th. Kambalando. Yeah.

1:02:16

Two, 300 years ago. Maybe a little more,

1:02:18

but like, that's wild style. That's a real

1:02:20

scheme of things. That's like my great-great-great grandmother

1:02:22

era, you know? Like not super long. It's

1:02:24

fucked up. That's wild.

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