While we’re stuck at home during what is sure to be known as “that time” when we look back on it in a few years, we decided to take the leap and do what we had been talking about doing for a year: record a podcast of conversations between two music nerds that share a common love and common skill in the form of drumming.

This is David McKean and Brenn Borror, two long-time friends who met on the first day of freshman year band class. Little did we know, we would go on to be friends for over a decade, share many life experiences, and have music intertwined through our narrative.

In this first episode, we discuss the resurgence of a once underground meme: Bill Clinton Swag.

What at first seemed like an elitist meme designed for music snobs and people who knew how to use Photoshop turned out to be a great conversation starter with a history that surprised us.