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First up to join me on the podcast,
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I'm so excited to talk to you. It's
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Sydney. Yes. How are you? First
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of all, you look stunning. Let me just know. Let me just give out dish
2:27
out compliments. You look amazing. I
2:29
appreciate that. But how do you feel? Um, you
2:31
know why I feel I feel
2:34
like a certain calmness right now. I do.
2:36
I feel like a lot has happened
2:39
over, you know, an extended amount of time. And
2:41
I finally have had a little second
2:43
to breathe and for everything to finally
2:45
happen and to move
2:47
on, you know? Yeah.
2:48
No, I mean, today was
2:50
a lot. It was a lot. But like for different reasons,
2:52
because one, you know, you're like facing
2:55
the draw. It's a reunion show, you know, like we
2:57
all love reunion shows because it's like it all comes to
2:59
a head. You've seen what everyone's saying at I.T. M.
3:01
Right. To Peter, all that's all that
3:03
good, bad stuff. Yeah. But I guess the first
3:05
time you all are seeing each other and talking, then
3:08
you have to see Peter for the first time. And it's been
3:10
three months ish. Then
3:13
we had this conversation that needed
3:15
to be had that honestly you
3:17
spearheaded. Thank you. And
3:20
no, thank you. It's because of you, though. No, it's not
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because of me. No, we have to give credit where credit is
3:24
due because, you know, we had the conversation
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where we talked about race. It was uncomfortable, but
3:29
it was necessary. And
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I don't know if you guys know this, but, you know, Cindy and
3:33
I had a conversation because of a
3:35
lot of hate that she was receiving. Yeah.
3:38
And I am one to brush things under
3:40
the rug. I'm like, OK, I get a message, delete,
3:43
move on. But that's not what everybody
3:45
does. And I'm
3:47
acting like it's not an issue and it's a problem. And
3:49
it was you who made me say, you
3:52
know what, it is a problem and we need
3:54
to talk about it. So how did you feel having
3:56
that conversation? Right. So when we
3:59
had our conversation, I was
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just, you know, we were just talking about what, you know,
4:03
looking up to you and what you had to go through, you know, as
4:05
the first African American bachelor ed. And being
4:08
in this, it's, it's, it's hard for
4:10
women of color. It's hard. And I'll say that because
4:12
I've lived this my whole life. And
4:15
then now it being on such a huge scale,
4:17
I've had to deal with, you know, someone doesn't like
4:19
you, they go as low as they possibly can. And the lowest
4:21
you can go is someone's race, you know? So
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having this opportunity to talk about something that
4:27
I'm so passionate about and something that I
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saw in
4:29
this, and I hope
4:32
that changes meant everything
4:35
to me. And I just feel
4:37
like it's my duty for girls that do look like
4:39
us to know that
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you can do this, number one, and number two,
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you can rise above the hate. Yeah, absolutely.
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See, and that's, thank you. Thank you
4:47
for that. How did it feel when the women came
4:50
running over to you to comfort you after
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seeing some of those text messages that they know that
4:55
were directed towards, not, I keep saying text messages,
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those DMs, comments that were directed to you.
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You know, a lot of people will say about the season that we
5:02
didn't love each other and that we were always so catty
5:04
and against each other. I still question it.
5:07
But in that moment was a
5:09
moment that I had felt nothing but love from those
5:11
women and the support and
5:14
the love means so much to me.
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And you know, all the little he, he, he is
5:18
that we're done in the past. Like that, that made up for
5:20
everything because you know,
5:22
when you, when you're hurt, you just, that love swings
5:24
everything. And I think that's important for everyone
5:26
else to see because we do see, you
5:28
know, your season has gotten, and I've
5:31
talked about it on the podcast. Your season
5:33
has gotten a lot of heat for the girls being
5:35
so catty and mean girls and not just not having
5:38
that unity and sisterhood, but on
5:40
the stage in that moment, we saw
5:42
the sisterhood. And it's funny because
5:44
there was a point today and women tell all where Lexi
5:46
said you
5:47
guys don't know this, but like we all love
5:50
each other. And I remember thinking, okay,
5:52
Lexi, but in that moment
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I saw the love. Someone's hurting. Like I have
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heard through this and the things that they actually finally
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saw.
5:59
that was happening to me, nothing but love.
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Nothing but love was received and
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I love that. Yes, I loved
6:08
it too. And I think your message, not think,
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I know your message resonated with me. I'm
6:13
sure it's going to resonate with everybody who saw it. And
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I just hope that because of what you
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spearheaded that we can all be better
6:20
and do better and just hold each other
6:22
accountable. To be that voice and you know, I, this
6:24
opportunity and this to say something about
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it and have you there to just like support
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me has meant so much to me. And I
6:31
do, I hope that it goes forward and we
6:33
stop this because, you
6:35
know, we're just going to love each other a little bit more. Yes, we
6:37
do. So let's talk about moving forward. So
6:40
you just survived women tell all I
6:42
survived. What is next paradise summer
6:44
games? Who knows Rachel? Are
6:47
you interested in that? I want to find
6:49
love. I know that. So whichever
6:51
way that that may happen, I'm open
6:53
to it. I'm skeptical of course,
6:55
just because of all the hate. But
6:58
hopefully it gets better. And you know, you know, who
7:00
knows what's going to happen. We have a support system
7:02
around you. So I think like, as long as you have that strong
7:05
circle, you can combat that hate even on
7:07
the worst days. But I know you're
7:09
a hot commodity because this bachelor
7:11
nation world is small and the people are talking.
7:14
And they want to know if you're going to be out there
7:16
on the beach or wherever summer
7:18
games may be. You
7:20
can't give us a hint of something.
7:22
I'll say like, I do want to find love in whatever way
7:25
that may be. We'll talk to see.
7:27
So what do you think about the ending? I
7:29
have to get your opinion on this because we
7:32
saw tonight that
7:33
Madison is clearly struggling. We
7:36
saw Victoria F goes home. And
7:39
now it's down to Madison and Hannah knowing
7:42
everything that came out because I heard your
7:44
response to Madison's
7:47
the decisions that she has made as she's navigated
7:49
this journey. But how do you really feel? Because
7:52
all y'all gave really politically correct
7:54
answers. And I happen to think, I
7:57
think what you said is right about her being.
7:59
true to her beliefs and
8:02
her standards and the commitment that
8:04
she's made, that's beautiful. But
8:07
you find no issue in the
8:09
timing of it all?
8:11
I will say, I think she
8:13
may, it may have been in her best
8:15
interest to speak about it before she did.
8:18
I think she waited until the absolute last second
8:20
and that rubbed some people the wrong way.
8:23
And I thought if she looking back now, I think
8:25
she would have even brought it up before she
8:27
did. But in that
8:29
I will say that Madison is
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who she says she is. She's not going to waver,
8:35
no matter if there's a fantasy suite or not, Madison's
8:37
not gonna do that. And she holds herself
8:40
to what
8:41
she's always been, lived
8:43
her whole life. What do you think
8:45
about someone coming on the show?
8:48
Let's just be honest, and I feel like I'm Christian.
8:51
Let's just be honest, the bachelor isn't standing
8:54
on biblical standards.
8:56
So what do you think about someone who comes
8:59
on the show knowing how the show is
9:01
and then comes
9:03
all the way to the end, positively
9:06
taking somebody else's place and
9:08
potentially may leave
9:10
for
9:12
that same reason?
9:15
Like, do you think that's fair? Do you think that's
9:17
selfish? I
9:19
don't think it's selfish. I think that Madison,
9:21
like I said, should have just brought it up before she did and
9:23
it would have gone a little bit better. Yes,
9:27
we know the show. It's not, you know, sex
9:29
is involved in this show. It's not a secret.
9:32
And her knowing her views
9:34
on that,
9:35
it's if, you know, it's one of those situations where it's
9:37
just like, what are you gonna do? You know, you know
9:39
you're in this position, you've gotten this far, you love this
9:42
man, and there's certain steps that are gonna be made with
9:44
other women, and however you feel about
9:46
it doesn't really matter at the end of the day.
9:49
But I don't think that she
9:51
put him in a situation to make a decision. She
9:53
was just like, hey, this is how I feel about it. You
9:55
take it or leave it, but this is how I'm gonna feel no matter
9:57
what happens, you know? Okay.
9:59
happen. Because
10:01
we don't know. Apparently, according to Chris, neither
10:03
does Peter. It's I don't know what that means. You know what?
10:06
Peter has had a reputation for not
10:08
being able to make decisions. So I think
10:10
it's a case of like, he hasn't made his decision yet.
10:14
As in like between the women? Yeah. Like
10:16
they're saying, you know, like he is unspoiled.
10:18
Like it's just, he can't be unspoiled. Well, how can
10:20
it not be unspoiled? Maybe he hasn't even decided. Who knows?
10:23
Thank you so much for being here. I appreciate
10:25
you. And thank you for what you did tonight. Yeah, thank
10:27
you. All right. Next in the hot seat
10:30
is Sheehan, which I'm so excited to
10:32
talk to you because I feel like on the season,
10:35
we didn't see much. But first
10:37
of all, congratulations for surviving
10:39
Women Tell All. Thank you. That's a feat in itself.
10:42
But you were talking, you
10:44
were getting into it. You and Lexi had some
10:46
tips. I don't want to get all messy, but I'm just saying, it
10:48
was nice because I think we saw you very
10:51
quiet on the show. So how did it
10:53
feel tonight, sitting up there on stage
10:56
and really getting to express
10:58
what this journey was for you? It was honestly,
11:01
so on the show, I was a lot more quiet.
11:03
I didn't want to get involved in the drama because I
11:05
was there to find my person. I wasn't there to
11:07
start stuff, be in stuff. Like I don't want
11:10
it. But then, you know, that
11:12
doesn't mean I don't have my feelings about situations.
11:14
Right. And so, you know, I'm like, okay, I
11:17
have to tell all like, I need to
11:19
express how I feel because I didn't express any of that
11:21
when I was on the show or, you know, nothing
11:23
was shown. And so that's kind of, yeah,
11:25
that's kind of why tonight I just, I just took it
11:27
and I was like, look,
11:28
these are the situations and this is, this is
11:31
like a real thing. Oh, I was here for it. Yeah. I said,
11:33
so please be quiet so she can speak, please.
11:36
Yeah. Yeah. So you
11:38
and I were talking just a bit before we got on the
11:40
mic. Yes. For Bachelor Happy
11:42
Hour. So when Peter
11:45
came to the show, yes, the only
11:47
time we've had him on, we've had him on twice. So
11:50
when Peter actually came in the flesh to
11:52
Bachelor Happy Hour, he revealed
11:54
that he didn't pick any of the flight
11:56
attendants. He sent home three flight attendants the first
11:58
night. But then,
11:59
he said there was one
12:02
that revealed herself in
12:04
a very interesting way. And
12:07
we never saw that on the show. So is there
12:09
something that you want to tell us that
12:11
we don't know? So
12:13
I, yes, I used to be a flight attendant.
12:16
Okay. She's the one guys. It's
12:18
fire. Surprise. Yeah.
12:21
So I used to be a flight attendant. It was a couple of years back, but
12:24
after night one and I realized he's certain
12:27
all of them homeless, like, uh-uh, like
12:29
I'm keeping that a little, like I gotta, I gotta
12:31
build a relationship first before I like. Do you play
12:33
chess? Because you were playing chess
12:35
that night and you were winning because the three
12:37
of them were in the whole group. And I was like, and
12:39
so when I told him like that, I
12:41
was a flight attendant, it was in that kind of dramatic
12:44
scene. So we were sitting there, we're having our conversation. And
12:46
I was like, how are you doing good? Okay,
12:48
cool.
12:49
But there's something I need to tell you. And he's like,
12:52
what? And I was like, oh my God. And I like
12:54
started like kind of having like a mini panic attack.
12:57
It's on my chest, like I've been
12:59
laying in bed, staying up late about this. Like
13:01
it's, I just, I don't want you to think anything different
13:03
about me. And he's like, Jan, what? Like you're really
13:05
scaring me. And I'm like,
13:07
I take this long break. And he's like, Jan,
13:09
tell me. And I look up at him and I'm
13:11
just like, I used to be a flight attendant. He's
13:14
like, are you freaking kidding
13:16
me? Like jumped back in his seat. He's like, oh
13:18
my God, you scared the crap out of me. I thought it
13:20
was something else. And we just laughed and like
13:22
talked about flying. Well, he's still talking
13:24
about it because he loves it. And
13:27
he was excited to tell us. I dinged him the other
13:29
day. Cause I'm like, who's this mystery
13:31
flight attendant? And when he told me it was you, I was like,
13:33
are you kidding me? And he's so upset that
13:36
that didn't make the cut.
13:37
It was so great. Like I'm so
13:39
sad that didn't show. Cause there was a lot of
13:41
me crying. And I was like, and that was like one moment
13:44
where I was like, Oh, they're going to show this. And everyone's going to be like,
13:46
yeah. And then he was like, great. Okay,
13:48
fine. Do you feel like you have any regrets?
13:50
Cause it's, it's one thing to be in it all.
13:53
Yes. And then you go home and then you
13:55
watch where you were a part of it. And then
13:57
so much more of it back. Do you feel like you have any
13:59
regrets?
13:59
from this season. I definitely
14:02
could have been more aggressive. I,
14:04
you know,
14:06
it's hard when you're on the show. You try,
14:08
but that doesn't mean you get your way. And
14:11
I definitely did try, but I could have been more like, no,
14:13
like I need this, I'm going, you know,
14:15
go, go, go, rather than being
14:18
like, no, and be like, okay, like,
14:20
I should have been more aggressive. And that's kind of one thing, like,
14:23
I definitely wish I could have done more. Well,
14:25
I can see why you didn't want to be aggressive, because there
14:27
was a lot of aggressive behavior.
14:30
And I'm not really,
14:33
I'm not a person to just
14:34
be naggy, like that. I'm just not
14:36
like, I will put forth the effort, but I'm not
14:39
one to just be in your face all the time. Go,
14:41
go, go, go.
14:42
You know, so that was something that was
14:44
challenging for me. Who are you close with
14:47
from your season?
14:48
I'm actually really close with Tammy. Me and
14:50
Tammy are super close. I am
14:52
so actually happy that you said that
14:55
because I love her so much. Watching tonight,
14:57
it seems like who's friends with, I think
14:59
at one point I saw you kind of like consoling
15:02
Tammy, but I was like, who's friends
15:04
with Tammy just seemed to be so much build
15:06
up and attack on Tammy. And I get it, Tammy
15:09
made some mistakes. She did. Throughout the
15:11
show, everybody did. And I think,
15:14
you know, I relate to someone
15:17
with a strong personality and a lot of
15:19
opinions. And you know, sometimes we navigate
15:21
things differently, but it's really nice to
15:23
hear that Tammy actually has a
15:25
friend in the house. We talk every
15:27
day. Well, can I tell us what you like about
15:29
Tammy? Because it seems like it's
15:31
lost in some of the drama. The thing is,
15:34
is that
15:35
regardless of, and it's with that
15:37
personality, like regardless if she
15:40
gives you the tough love when you hate it. She's
15:42
there when you're sad, when you're upset, if you need
15:44
someone to talk to, she listens, but then she kind of
15:46
brings you back and she's like, okay, have
15:48
your moment, but also like come back and you're better than
15:50
that and move forward. Don't
15:52
like listen to the hate, don't do this. And that's
15:56
a great thing to have. Like, yes,
15:58
she's tender in those moments. of where you need a good
16:00
friend and you just need a shoulder crown. But like she also
16:03
builds your backbone and she's like, don't
16:06
be weepy. Like, come on. And I
16:08
think we see that. And I'm like, yeah,
16:10
you're right. And we all need that friend.
16:12
Yeah. And I think we do see that it's just
16:15
so much happened after that we forgot because
16:17
let's not forget during champagne gate, it
16:19
was Tammy who was comforting Kelsey
16:22
and who was checking to see if everyone's
16:24
okay. And she was like, Hannah Ann said she didn't. And she
16:26
was really trying to be the mediator.
16:30
And dissolve the situation and that kind
16:32
of find a resolution to it. And she,
16:34
I mean, yes, she's strong in her words. And some
16:36
people just can't take that for what it is without
16:38
feeling attacked. And I don't think
16:40
it ever comes in a place of being attacked. I
16:42
think that some of those moments, you
16:44
know, between Kelsey and Tammy and
16:46
Sydney and Tammy or whatever, and that, at that in
16:49
Costa Rica, it was just,
16:51
I feel like Tammy was feeling attacked. And then that's
16:53
when it just came out, you know, and
16:55
I, and that can happen to anybody. I don't
16:57
think that's a fault on Tammy. I told her, I was like, you
16:59
could have handled it a little bit better, but that's
17:01
with anyone into the learning experience. And so
17:04
you, you watch it back and you're like, yeah, that wasn't right. I
17:06
should have said it this way. And you think she learned
17:08
from this experience. Good, good
17:10
for her. So before I let you go, I have to
17:12
ask you because we have no idea what happens at the
17:14
end of this is a first, not a first
17:16
that I necessarily like. I want to know
17:19
what's happening. So what happens at
17:21
the end of it? Where, what do you think happens at the end of
17:23
this season? God,
17:26
I truly don't know. And I've
17:28
tried to figure, I've tried to like make equations.
17:30
I'm like writing it down. Like that Madison
17:33
does this and then, and then Hannah Ann does
17:35
this and then Peter goes home and Barb's
17:37
crying about Matt. Like I, I've
17:40
like literally written it down and try to figure
17:42
out the answer.
17:43
I don't know. Cause every time I see the episode,
17:45
I'm like, Oh no, it's this. And my whole thing changes.
17:48
And when you were saying that all I saw was the meme
17:50
where the woman has the equation
17:52
in the chalkboard behind her and she just looks more
17:55
confused and more. That was me. It's
17:59
just, I. That's all of us. Yeah, it's
18:01
all of us. Well, thank you so much for being here. It's so
18:03
nice to meet you. Oh, okay
18:06
This is my first podcast and I'm so honored Oh,
18:16
well, thank you so much for being here not everybody
18:18
gets to come in the hot seat So
18:20
it's such a pleasure to meet you Tonight
18:22
cuz I know the after-party is gonna be poppin. I'm
18:25
ready for the pizza. Oh, oh, I don't know there's
18:27
pizza. Okay, let's go Thank
18:29
you
18:37
I just want to say how fabulous Alayah
18:39
looks listen this Sequence
18:42
suit and I'm not a big sequence for actually
18:44
ally ever since being that's right It's it's it's
18:47
what I do with the sparkle. This looks amazing.
18:49
Yeah, what size are you? Whatever
18:52
you want girl, I can't fit the same thing.
18:55
Listen, I keep telling everyone this you survived
18:57
women tell all I feel like a lot
18:59
of people had eyes on you questions
19:03
about
19:04
What kind of went down? There just seems
19:06
to be so much in the air. Do you feel like?
19:09
You got everything out that you needed to say tonight. I
19:11
feel like I did I mean, it's hard being in that
19:13
I know that I was really kind of dreading going
19:15
to women to all because I'm not an aggressive
19:18
Personality and obviously we have a lot of aggressive
19:20
personalities in our group and I was really
19:22
nervous that I wasn't gonna be able to say what I had to
19:24
say, but
19:25
Now that it's all over and I can breathe again. I feel
19:28
pretty good about how everything happened Well,
19:31
people didn't attack you know, it
19:33
wasn't about you Honestly, it seemed
19:35
to be more of more of the heat was on Victoria
19:38
Victoria Pete Yeah, I mean I feel like
19:40
there was a lot of like I said, there's a lot of miscommunication
19:43
There's a lot of lack of communication and I
19:45
feel like a lot of America and the girls
19:48
in the house had questions But I do
19:50
feel like we were able to kind of address this do you because
19:52
I feel like I still have some questions like For example, did
19:54
you really know each other longer
19:55
than three hours? Yes. Okay,
19:58
that's just seems to be the biggest one Yeah. What,
20:01
and to sum up, when you heard
20:04
watching back the conversation that Victoria
20:06
had with Peter
20:08
about you, Victoria P,
20:10
sorry, had with Peter about you,
20:13
sum up your reaction in one word. Um,
20:16
I mean, I was taken aback for sure. I
20:18
wasn't expecting that. It was hard to watch
20:21
for me because coming into this, I
20:24
did expect for us to have each other's back, but
20:26
I understand that when you're asked a question
20:28
and you have a feeling, you're going to express that. You're going
20:30
to be honest about your feelings. Um, again,
20:33
I just feel like it was a lack of communication going into
20:35
that. And I wish that we would have had the chance to talk
20:37
about it before Peter asked
20:39
about it, but we didn't. And that's unfortunate.
20:42
Where do you guys stand today? Um, I
20:44
mean, we kind of just respect each other. Like
20:47
we understand that
20:48
we didn't communicate enough through this and
20:50
that we want to both move
20:53
past this. We don't want this to define us,
20:55
define the group of friends that we're in.
20:58
And we just want to kind of have like a mutual
21:00
respect for each other. That's good. Yeah. That's
21:03
very adult and mature of you. Yes. There doesn't
21:05
have to be a winner or a loser or a right or wrong. We
21:07
just respect each other's opinions. Right. So I
21:09
have an important question for you that I
21:11
know America wants to know. Do
21:13
you have a job? Three
21:16
jobs and please tell them what you
21:18
tell
21:18
the people, what they are. I didn't realize
21:21
my occupation would be so interesting
21:23
either. Um, so the obvious I'm an
21:25
orthodontic assistant. I model
21:27
professionally and I own a boutique. Good
21:30
for you girl. Tell people where they
21:32
can find the boutique. I mean, we might as well pop it on
21:34
the podcast. No,
21:37
I got these earrings from my boutique.
21:39
So we've cute accessories. It's me, my mom and my sister.
21:41
We run it together. Good for you. So
21:43
what's next? Well, first note, I like to
21:45
ask this question because I've been in your shoes before.
21:48
I know what it's like to have a sisterhood in the
21:50
house and you guys got a lot of heat for
21:52
not having a sisterhood. Just seems to be a
21:55
lot of cattiness. And then, but then
21:57
Lexi was like, well, we all love each other. So
21:59
who are you?
21:59
close with in the house. It's an obvious
22:02
Savannah. Savannah's my girl. Man, Savannah
22:05
had your back. We all
22:07
need a Savannah in our line. And seeing how, but like,
22:09
I feel like as Texas girls, as we just have each
22:11
other's backs like that, cause Savannah's from Texas
22:13
too, right? Did y'all know each other before?
22:15
No, we didn't. So we met on the show. We
22:18
already have plans to go to the rodeo together. I mean, is
22:20
that- Is Liz performing at the
22:22
rodeo? Is she? No, Liz was performing
22:24
at the rodeo. I'm almost, I'm almost- Oh my God, I need to see
22:26
her. I am almost positive. Cause the rodeo's
22:28
what, like next week or something like that. It's in a couple of
22:30
weeks. It's in rodeos next month. Next month. The
22:32
same as when your rodeo already happened. The Houston rodeo,
22:35
I'm pretty sure- Oh, Liz
22:38
is performing. Cause she used to live in Houston.
22:40
She's so good. Yeah, I am obsessed with her. Yeah, I'm
22:42
glad I could do you that favor. Thank you. Thank
22:45
you for that. So what's next for you? Paradise summer
22:47
games? I think that he's asking. I don't think
22:49
I'm fit enough for summer games. I'm not going to lie. I'm
22:52
the cheerleader on the sidewalk. Cheerleading is
22:54
a sport. It's totally a sport. Do you watch
22:56
cheer? Gosh, no. I was like, I could Matt
22:58
talk you. Oh
22:59
really? My sister did cheerleading. Okay. So
23:02
I understand like the side line, lingo,
23:05
but I don't know. Everybody keeps asking about paradise
23:07
and genuinely I have no idea. I feel like that's
23:09
one of those decisions I'm just going to make when the question
23:12
comes. You are so put together and
23:14
I get it. Like I can be, I wasn't in pageants,
23:17
but like just being an attorney and like feeling
23:19
like you have to be on like- You know how to turn
23:21
it on. I know. Inappropriate situation. Yes,
23:23
I know. Yes. When you, I know how to put on a show
23:25
as well. I get it. So my question
23:28
to you is,
23:29
what do you do to like let your hair down
23:31
and go crazy? Like are you ever not
23:33
put together? Oh my God. Yeah. I
23:36
mean, did you see me on the kitchen counter? Well, let's talk
23:38
about that. Let's talk about that. I was very drunk at night.
23:40
Yeah, let's talk about that. I was really bored. Those are the best
23:42
moments. It was so fun. I had the best day that day
23:44
until everything kind of fell apart, but
23:47
I was just bored and I was like, you
23:49
know what? I've been in this house for three days. I'm going to get
23:51
drunk tonight and I'm going to have some pizza
23:53
and some cookies.
23:55
And one thing led to another. I found the
23:57
pilot's hat. And next thing you know, I'm on the
23:59
counter talking about. at the Mile High Club. I don't, it
24:01
just happened. Well, you know what? You want me to share
24:03
a secret with you? One day we were really
24:05
like,
24:06
had nothing to do. You know how it is. Like
24:08
when you don't have a date and you're like, okay,
24:11
we'll like drink, we'll play games, whatever. We
24:13
started talking about twerking. I feel like twerking was like so big
24:15
back then. And I was like, do you know how to twerk
24:17
on the wall? And so we taught everybody
24:19
how to twerk on the wall. Like that was like our
24:22
thing. Yeah. I
24:24
don't know who I would ever twerk on. I've never
24:26
even done it for my husband. Maybe you
24:28
need to. Apparently that
24:30
night. After listening to this, he's gonna be like, baby. I
24:32
know what happened. You know what? We
24:35
used to joke and say, the reason
24:36
we're getting roses is because we're like, remember that night
24:38
that we were all twerking on the wall? Oh yeah, that's what we do in
24:40
our one-on-one time. No, no. You
24:43
do so bad in the best way. Oh my gosh,
24:45
your nose are like mine.
24:47
Twins. You guys, we're having
24:49
a moment here. You can't see it, but we're having a moment.
24:52
It's like, there's something deep rooted
24:54
in Texas spirit. Yeah. Right.
24:56
It's just a thing. Somebody from Texas, you're like,
24:59
yeah, I got you girl. I feel you. I
25:01
got you. All right, well, is there anything else you feel like
25:03
you want to clear up? Did you want to say?
25:05
Oh my gosh. Yes, I listened to your podcast. When
25:08
I called you, Aliah. Not even too high. Everybody
25:10
does it. It's just a thing. So Texas Longhorn
25:13
being my spirit animal. I go. Both
25:15
cast traders. You're like, Bebo.
25:18
And I went to a game shortly after listening to it. I'm like, yeah,
25:20
he's boring. Nevermind. It's a koala. My
25:23
new spirit animal is a koala. So you changed it because
25:25
of what I said. At first I was
25:27
like, yeah, a Texas pride, Longhorns.
25:29
Then I'm like, no, yeah, he's boring. Did you
25:31
call the Texas? No, I'm just a fan.
25:33
But you're close enough there, except for
25:35
the time that he almost tried to run over the dog. That was so
25:38
good. That was great. That's you.
25:40
That's your spirit animal. I'm Bebo against
25:42
Georgia. Is that right, Georgia Bulldogs? Yeah, Georgia
25:44
Bulldogs. Okay, well, thank you so much for being here.
25:47
And I just wish you the best
25:48
on your journey. We hope to see you on something else. We'll
25:50
see. We want more of you in the pilot hatch
25:53
drunk on top of the counter. Hey, well, you're a people
25:55
winner. We know she's in
25:57
there. That's what got the hour.
25:59
I am sitting in front of me with a mouthful
26:02
of pizza. Kelsey, Kelsey,
26:05
welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm trying
26:07
to think of where I want to start
26:09
with you. Just bring it all, I'm ready
26:12
for it. Well, you survived Women Tell All. That's what I
26:14
say. That's an honor in itself. How do you think
26:16
it went? How do you think you did? I
26:19
think for the most part, I did okay. You
26:21
know, I'm somebody that can embrace
26:25
my flaws. I can own up to
26:27
when I was in the wrong.
26:31
And just make humor of it. And that's what I
26:33
tried to do. The
26:35
thing about me is I did express
26:37
to the girls in the house how I felt
26:39
about them. I didn't talk crap in the
26:42
interviews. Oh, it's a rare
26:44
characteristic. I knew, people knew
26:46
how I felt about them going into it. And we had
26:48
most of everything hashed out. I
26:51
think the girls that didn't
26:53
do that were a little bit more scared. So for me,
26:55
it was just kind of like, all right, let's see what other people.
26:57
I've said everything I need to say. That's a rare
27:00
thing. I'm like that too. I'm very confrontational. That's
27:02
why it was controversial in the house.
27:05
Oh, because you said stuff? I think so because
27:07
a lot of the girls, you know, would kind of say stuff a
27:09
little bit, but then in their interviews, they would
27:12
say more.
27:13
So
27:16
then it kind of got a little bit more controversial at the women's
27:18
hall. Yeah. I was talking to Sheehan,
27:20
cause she says she's really close to Tammy. And
27:22
I, you know, I was thinking about this. And I'm like,
27:25
what went wrong? Because that
27:27
night at Champagne Gate, she
27:29
was the one who was like right there with you. But
27:31
did you see her interviews?
27:33
Not at that point. People don't. They turned later. But
27:36
no, if you actually paid attention, because
27:39
I was, I was
27:41
paying attention.
27:42
She was talking about
27:45
how crazy I was in that moment,
27:47
how Peter needed to know and all this stuff. So
27:49
she was already in the Champagne moment,
27:51
but it was a crazy moment, Kelsey. Oh, obviously.
27:54
It was a little cray. I went batshit. Let's
27:57
be honest. Granted, I laughed. I,
27:59
and I actually took.
27:59
up for you on the podcast because I was like,
28:02
she's not a bully. I mean, I thought it was crazy,
28:04
but I was like, you weren't a bully in that moment. And I hate
28:06
when that word is so flippantly used. I was like,
28:09
she cursed her out. But she
28:11
didn't bully her. I think they're in Hannah
28:13
Anosis. The reason I was so heated
28:15
in that moment was because if she would
28:18
have just left me alone, I went
28:20
if I didn't,
28:21
yeah, obviously go up to her and like continue
28:24
to be
28:24
mean. Yeah. When
28:27
did y'all become friends? Honestly,
28:29
it was on
28:31
our way down to Costa Rica
28:33
on the plane. Her and I sat next to each other
28:35
both times, which never happened. It
28:38
was like this rare godsent
28:40
thing. And her and I just talked everything
28:42
out. And it was nice because it was off camera. I know
28:45
the viewers want to see that, but I think even if we did it on
28:47
camera,
28:48
it wouldn't have really been shown, maybe wouldn't
28:50
have been shown and people wouldn't have really cared because
28:53
there was so much drama going on.
28:56
Well, I appreciated it actually. And I didn't notice
28:58
it at first. It was back at my co-host who couldn't be
29:00
here today. Shout out to Becca. She noticed
29:03
it. How you, when Hannah An came back
29:05
from what was it, a three on one, two on one,
29:07
something like that. You ran up to her and you
29:09
hugged her and we were like, see, we
29:11
can't all get along. But what's funny
29:13
is people, it's,
29:16
this is the hard thing about the show
29:18
because my drama happened so early on.
29:20
And that was really the first time, the first
29:22
thing people saw of me, that was their first
29:24
impression of me. So it was
29:26
like me trying to
29:28
climb a mountain to get people to see who
29:30
I really was. Whereas for a lot of girls,
29:33
people got to see who they were. And then they got in
29:35
a drama and it was like, Oh, it was just bad moment. But for
29:37
me, it was like, Oh, well I can't get past the champagne
29:40
thing. Does that make sense? Yeah.
29:42
So if you actually watched the
29:44
show in Costa Rica, Hannah and I
29:46
had a one-on-one girl chat,
29:48
but a lot of people dismissed that because
29:51
in their mind and then I went crazy,
29:53
you know, with calling Cindy, what I did,
29:55
I got a little intoxicated. Yeah.
29:57
But that wasn't, I felt like champagne.
29:59
Gate was so big that
30:02
you really had nowhere to go from up, but
30:04
like you really went up fast. And I
30:06
think a lot of people were surprised at the
30:08
progression of your relationship with
30:10
Peter. A lot of people, like whether
30:12
they liked it or not, that you went and talked to Peter privately,
30:15
whatever it is, you and Peter had something and you
30:17
made it all the way to hometowns. And
30:19
I think people started to change on you. I know the amount
30:22
of hate I got from Champagne Gate.
30:24
Some of those messages on the board were for
30:26
me and I did out people on my own
30:29
personal account
30:30
and I got mixed reviews about
30:32
it. So people- If you're bold enough to send the message,
30:35
then you're bold enough to let people- And I used to be able
30:37
to show it. Like you didn't put their user names on it. I blocked that
30:39
out, but even from Bachelor Nation,
30:41
I got some messages like, hey, you're better than that.
30:43
You're feeding into their,
30:45
like what they want. You're feeding the whatever.
30:48
And I'm like, but I'm not because I'm not showing
30:50
who it is, but I also think it's important
30:52
to put it out there. Yeah. So I'm really
30:55
happy that we got to talk about that tonight because I think
30:57
it's important. And I think
30:59
it was important too. And I'm glad that like you
31:01
guys were so open about, you know,
31:03
you're sharing your own experiences because it's not
31:05
always easy. And I think as one person did,
31:08
everyone else did. And it sounds like you guys had talked
31:10
with each other too about some of the experiences
31:13
that you're sharing. And I think when you have that power circle
31:15
of friends, it really helps
31:17
you combat this because nobody gets this
31:20
what you're going through. And I think when I put those messages
31:22
on my Instagram story, I had
31:24
so many girls that I hadn't really talked to that reached
31:26
out and was like, this isn't okay. I get this all the time.
31:29
You know, kind of like, all right, we didn't see eye
31:31
to eye, but we can level on
31:33
the fact that we know what we're going through. So
31:36
that was reassuring. Yeah. It almost bonds
31:38
you in a way. It does. It does. Real
31:41
quick,
31:41
paradise summer games, would you do those? I
31:44
think I would like summer games more just because I'm such
31:46
a competitive person. You didn't get to see this because I was
31:49
on all the glam dates.
31:51
I would have loved to do tackle football, but
31:54
I didn't want the bruises. So I'm happy
31:56
for that fact, but
31:59
I would have.
32:00
Ran over some girls. Good to know. They're
32:03
listening. They're listening to this. Also, who does Peter pick?
32:05
Hannah Ann, Madison, or himself?
32:10
I can't decide between the two, so I'm gonna say himself.
32:12
Okay. Just because I can decide between.
32:15
I go back and forth every other day on who he
32:17
picks. Nothing wrong with it. Me too. Well,
32:19
thank you so much for being here. No, thank you. It's so nice to
32:21
meet you. It's nice to meet you too. Where's that bottle of champagne?
32:23
I wanted some of that. You didn't pop that thing.
32:25
I don't know. I have
32:27
like champagne all over me, but.
32:30
Yeah.
32:36
All right. Sitting here with me now is Lexi.
32:39
So I know something about you that maybe you don't
32:41
think that I know. Oh, what does that mean? I heard you
32:43
were the coolest chick in the house. That's
32:45
literally how it was described to me. They were like,
32:47
oh my God, Lexi's the coolest.
32:50
I love that. That's awesome.
32:52
But I don't think I'm the coolest.
32:55
I mean, like, we didn't see a lot of
32:57
you on the season, but I felt like when you
32:59
spoke, it was like
33:01
very matter of fact. You were very chill.
33:04
You didn't seem to get like involved in
33:06
the drama. Yeah. You had the girl
33:08
click. Y'all had a little click.
33:10
It's okay. They called us the cool kids. We had
33:12
a click too. I just, I'm like, you're in
33:14
the house when there's 30 different women. Yeah.
33:17
You're gonna, you know, be drawn to certain people
33:19
and they become like your safe place
33:22
in the house. So that
33:24
really was that group of girls. We're
33:26
just very outspoken,
33:27
sarcastic
33:30
as hell. We just joke
33:32
around a lot with each other. Like we have very
33:34
like self depreciating humor. Yeah.
33:37
And I think you needed that kind of like comedic
33:40
relief in the situation we were in. Let
33:43
me ask you this. Cause I feel like after watching you
33:45
tonight and women tell all you, you are
33:47
opinionated, you're outspoken
33:49
girl after my own heart, but
33:52
you tell it like it is. So
33:54
watching as a viewer, what was happening
33:57
in the house with the women, it was like insane.
33:59
You know, y'all have gotten a lot of flack. Wasn't
34:02
really that bad.
34:03
It was worse. Oh my God. I
34:05
think it would have self eliminated. Well,
34:08
that's the thing is I started to
34:11
just like,
34:12
it was almost funny. Like how
34:15
have we gotten so far off track
34:17
of what we're supposed to be focusing on,
34:19
which is Peter. Like we're talking about
34:21
champagne bottles and friendships
34:24
before and we don't, who cares?
34:27
It just started to get so noisy. I
34:29
just wanted to be like, like,
34:31
what is happening? You just
34:33
have to last to survive. So I think
34:35
I didn't realize that I thought I
34:37
was coming off like a crazy person. Yeah.
34:40
Like, cause by the time we got to Costa Rica, I had a,
34:43
I hit my mark.
34:44
I was like, that's it.
34:46
I'm gonna say exactly what I
34:48
want. And I felt
34:51
like I did that all the way through, but
34:53
I
34:54
just, I was there truly just to find
34:56
a connection. I
34:59
believe it. I don't care if I win. I didn't
35:01
care if I went home at night one, that he wasn't
35:03
my person. Yeah. I thought it was so
35:05
nice to meet you because I'm very happy
35:07
with my life. Yeah.
35:10
And I want someone to share it with. Yeah.
35:12
That's the whole, that was it for me. Do
35:14
you think that was your demise? Like, do you think that that's why
35:16
you ended up, you didn't participate in the drama. He
35:19
seems to like when a girl shows emotion, you know,
35:22
like almost diffuses that with depth. We
35:24
see, we talk about that on the podcast, confuses
35:26
the two. Do you think
35:28
like that that was probably why you went home? Yeah,
35:31
I think it was a multiple things. I
35:33
definitely could have opened up a little bit more
35:35
earlier on. It was just
35:38
hard. I think with everything
35:40
else going on. And
35:42
a lot of the conversations turned
35:45
to
35:46
what was going on with other girls. Yeah. And
35:48
I was like, Peter, I'm so glad that you wanna ask
35:50
me, but I'm also not your therapist. Like, I'm
35:53
trying to date you. Yeah. We
35:55
just keep talking about other girls. So
35:58
that was a little frustrating, but.
36:00
I just, I understood where he was coming from. Like
36:02
I felt for him, I wanted to give him
36:05
some sort of guidance, if that's
36:07
really what he wanted. And
36:09
I don't
36:12
think I would change anything. Like I learned so
36:14
much about myself and I'm
36:16
even more vocal. You know, like I have no
36:18
problem just speaking. Oh, you were vocal tonight. I
36:21
said, well, like I was talking to Sheena,
36:24
I was like, what's up with you and Lexi? I mean,
36:26
which I was, we had no problem. That was
36:28
interesting for me too. Well, I was proud of her
36:31
because it was like she wanted to speak and have her voice
36:33
because we didn't see it much on the season. We didn't see yours
36:35
on the season. So it was, I was like, wow, you know,
36:37
like Lexi's really, you honestly, you should have
36:39
spoken up more. Maybe you could have narrated
36:41
this whole season and we could have gotten through it a lot
36:44
more faster with complete sentences and thoughts.
36:46
And
36:46
you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's the thing
36:48
is you never know what's going to be in the show. Yeah.
36:51
I was vocal, but
36:54
I think I held back a little because I
36:56
was like, this is crazy. What's going
36:58
on? Yeah. And I just wanted to kind of ride
37:00
it out. I didn't want to be in the drama because that's not who
37:02
I like. Yeah. I don't get involved
37:04
in that. Yeah. But
37:06
when it started to affect my time with Peter. Yeah.
37:08
That's when I was like, OK, we need to stop
37:11
this. Yeah. Because
37:12
I just felt like the train was going
37:14
off the tracks a little. You had a very
37:17
interesting comment tonight and I keep talking about
37:19
it because it was almost shocking. It was a beautiful
37:21
statement, but it was shocking. It caught me off guard. You
37:24
said, I know it doesn't seem like
37:26
it, but we all love each other. When
37:28
did that love come about? Because if for
37:30
damn sure didn't come in the season, did it pop
37:32
off in the group chat? Did y'all slide in each other's
37:35
DMS? When did the love fest come about?
37:37
I guess I mean, I'm the oldest of five
37:40
kids and I have four sisters
37:42
and we fight
37:44
and we say whatever we want. And
37:46
we are honest with each other. And right
37:48
after we, you know, you can you can hug and you can
37:50
move on. Just because you disagree
37:53
with someone doesn't mean you don't have
37:55
love for them. Yeah.
37:57
While we were filming and where we're all at now
37:59
is very. different place. And we've
38:02
all learned from that. And we all,
38:04
you know, like, I wasn't perfect on
38:07
no one was perfect. And I think
38:09
we just have grace for each other now.
38:11
High and Sights 2020. I think
38:13
you all are learning from it. Just you
38:15
know, like, it's
38:17
something you can never replicate. It's a
38:19
group of women that, you know, no one
38:21
else in the world will get to know exactly
38:23
what happened in the house. We just have a bond because of that.
38:26
Yeah, that makes sense. PTSD a little, you
38:28
know, your experience you
38:30
bond. I'm interested in the year from now
38:32
who all will be close because that's always the thing. That's
38:35
really true. I guess we'll see real quick before I let
38:37
you go. Yeah.
38:39
Will we see you in paradise or summer games?
38:41
It's a good question. I don't know. Would you do it if
38:43
you were asked?
38:44
Um, we need more. I'm not saying
38:47
no. Okay.
38:48
I mean, I'm, I'm open to it. You know,
38:50
I think I had so much fun filming.
38:53
I loved this experience. Yeah. Um, I
38:55
want to hear and see more of you. So thanks.
38:57
All right. Well, thank you for being here. Of course.
38:59
It's so nice talking to you.
39:01
All right.
39:02
Sitting in the hot seat right now, somebody
39:05
I've been so eager to talk to. Miss Tammy.
39:07
Welcome to bachelor happy hour. Thanks for having me.
39:10
Thank you for being here. Now the theme
39:12
of this is without struggle, there is no progress,
39:15
which is a tattoo that you have on you. So
39:17
let's talk about the struggle. Okay. And hopefully
39:20
there was some progress after today because
39:22
congratulations for surviving
39:25
women tell all. I know
39:27
it was a lot for you. Um, I'm
39:30
going to start there and let you talk. How
39:32
do you feel? I feel
39:34
like all of us aired out what
39:36
we need to air out. And I got
39:38
my point across whether they wanted to listen to
39:40
it or not. And we're ready to move past this, you
39:42
know, I feel like you have that type of personality.
39:45
Like you can just let things roll off your back.
39:47
Absolutely. You don't really take it to heart. I
39:49
don't take offense to much really.
39:52
And I think it's a waste of energy to just
39:54
hold a grudge on something. I, what I do is I'm going
39:57
to let myself do with it.
39:59
emotions and then get over it and move on.
40:02
Why do you think that the girls came at you
40:04
so harsh? I
40:06
think because I am a very strong
40:09
personality and the loudest one in the room. And
40:11
with that comes with controversy
40:13
and people are going to disagree with that. And that's okay.
40:16
And honestly, I'm glad I started a conversation because
40:18
I'm here to challenge people, you know, it's
40:20
going to be uncomfortable and I'm okay
40:22
with that. Do you feel like you apologize
40:24
to people tonight? Cause I feel like some people
40:26
came in expecting an apology from you, from
40:28
either what they saw or what they heard,
40:30
or I don't know what went down in the group chat, whatever. Yeah.
40:33
I,
40:35
between me and Kelsey, we know the situation.
40:38
Okay. I'm not here to say face and
40:42
apologize. Just to apologize. Like we've already
40:44
talked about it and it's between me and her and
40:46
it's been resolved. Okay. So
40:49
I'll go off of that. Were you frustrated
40:51
rehashing a conversation that apparently
40:54
you, you guys already had off camera?
40:56
Absolutely. And again, I think it needs to be
40:58
said
40:59
on camera and relived again, and it
41:01
does suck for both parties, you know, we don't like to
41:03
come at each other that way. It,
41:07
I do respect these girls. And I think the reason
41:09
that why we all butt heads is because we're all
41:11
very dominant, passionate people. Do
41:14
you have any regrets this season?
41:16
I don't really have any regrets. I mean, I tried my
41:18
best. What you see is kind of what you get.
41:21
And I'm not, no matter
41:23
what, I think it looks villainous
41:25
because I am the loudest person in the room and
41:27
I started an argument,
41:29
but I could have farted and he,
41:31
if he canceled the car to party, people
41:33
would have blamed me for farting. You know, it's just like, because
41:36
that was the person to blame at the time. Well,
41:38
I talked to she and she had nothing but positive
41:40
things to say about you. She said, you're very, very
41:43
close. Yeah, we are very
41:45
close. I love that girl to death. But what were you saying?
41:47
Anyone who knows you, anyone who knows me knows that I'm
41:49
not a malicious person. You know, I mean,
41:52
even ask McKenna and Kelsey, they'll
41:54
say as well, I'm not a nasty
41:56
human being. We are going to disagree with things, but
41:58
that's the beauty of.
41:59
friendships. Like, I'm not going to agree
42:02
with everything just because you're my friend. Well,
42:04
Lexi Cassetta, she said you guys all
42:07
love each other. Absolutely. I think we were shocked,
42:09
but we saw it in a moment when
42:11
we had that very serious conversation
42:13
where we were talking about being bullied
42:15
and spewing hate and you guys ran
42:18
to each other and came to each other and I was
42:20
really, really happy when you spoke. I
42:23
wanted to hear from you
42:24
because I saw the post that
42:26
you talked
42:27
about, about growing up and how
42:29
you felt and even something you said
42:32
when you, we talked about on the podcast,
42:34
when you were going home in the car and you
42:36
talked about he wanted a blonde trophy
42:38
wife and it rocked me, Tammy,
42:41
when you said that because I felt you and
42:43
in that moment I felt like you've been misunderstood
42:46
all season and I just like really want to give you
42:48
an opportunity to talk about that and
42:51
I
42:51
also want to know how this conversation,
42:54
if at all, has helped you. I
42:57
am actually so happy. I wasn't expecting
42:59
this and
43:00
I'm so happy that you came on here and talked about it because
43:02
I think for too long people were getting away with these
43:04
nasty comments and it's a hate crime
43:07
and it's not okay for
43:09
people to hide behind a screen and say these things who don't even
43:11
know me or know us. Like
43:13
they say nastier things to us than we
43:15
would ever say to each other. You said that
43:17
that's a, that was a really powerful point. Absolutely
43:20
and that just says more about like yeah
43:22
we are gonna disagree but I
43:24
would never come at someone's character,
43:27
I would never come at someone's like race or
43:29
how they look. I think that
43:32
when I did see the trophy wife comment
43:34
like yeah throughout my entire life
43:36
I grew up in a very Caucasian
43:39
community. I wanted to be this
43:41
all-American girl so badly
43:43
and I could never be that
43:46
and because I can't change it. I'm as Asian
43:48
as it gets okay like you're beautiful. Thank
43:50
you guys. She's literally shining. I don't
43:53
know how they let her wear the shirt on stage.
43:55
It looks stunning. I'm sorry your production. It looks
43:57
stunning. But it is against the dress
43:59
code.
43:59
I was blinding myself
44:02
with this top. But you're beautiful. And
44:04
we said that on the podcast. I do. And
44:06
it took a long time for me to get there. Again,
44:09
I wanted to buy all
44:11
the clothes that these girls had and be who these
44:13
girls were. And I think for a long
44:15
time, I envied, I wanted to be
44:17
blonde hair blue eyed so badly. I would cry my eyes
44:20
out to my mom. She's like, sweetheart, you're Asian. There's nothing
44:22
you can do. But
44:24
I think that what you said is so powerful
44:26
and even the social media posts that you had, because
44:28
you are representing someone. And
44:31
it's like, I can speak about being an
44:34
African-American woman, but I can't
44:36
speak to what you went through and your struggles.
44:39
And I hope that even though we had
44:41
that conversation that you knew that you're not alone.
44:44
And I hope it empowers you to represent.
44:47
Yeah. And I hope
44:48
that,
44:50
I wish I heard this when I was struggling
44:52
with the racial thing when I was a
44:54
kid. Because there is
44:57
people like me out there who are going through the same
44:59
thing. And it sucks when you feel so
45:02
isolated and alone
45:04
in the sea of people, because no one
45:06
else is gonna be able to understand
45:08
unless they have experienced what you and I
45:10
have experienced. Right, but you're not alone.
45:12
I know, I love that. I
45:15
feel like what you said was so
45:17
powerful.
45:18
Like, we don't
45:20
know who the next bachelorette's gonna be. If you
45:22
were asked, would you do it? I
45:25
mean, of course, I would love the
45:28
opportunity to, because I think people just see
45:30
this one side of me and
45:33
they judge me on one minute of
45:35
time that they think is defining who
45:37
I am as a person. But did they forget like
45:39
throughout the entire season? Like I was never that. I'm
45:42
not a villain, I'm not a mean person. I
45:44
have a lot of
45:48
composure to me. And I have a lot of stories
45:50
to tell. And I think that I would love
45:52
the opportunity to become a bachelorette. Well, I would love
45:54
for the opportunity for you to redeem yourself. So whether it's bachelorette,
45:57
Paradise Summer Games, redemption
45:59
for Tammy. Yeah, the redemption, not
46:01
even like where I have to like change who I am, but like the
46:04
fact that people need to see the full 360 of me before
46:06
they can cast judgment, you know, honestly, they
46:09
can on other shows. So right. Well,
46:11
I'm happy that you were able to speak to us today. And
46:13
if you hear your voice and see another side
46:16
of you, I know I have on Women Tell Law and
46:18
then just sitting here with you today. So
46:20
thank you for bringing the awareness because
46:22
it was, it was really bad.
46:24
It was, it was truly was. Thank you
46:26
for being so vulnerable. Absolutely. All
46:29
right. Last but not least,
46:31
we have Victoria P on Bachelor
46:33
Happy Hour in the house. In the house.
46:36
How are you doing? You survived Women Tell
46:38
All. You see, here's the thing.
46:40
You were quiet at first. I thought, you know, we're not
46:42
really hearing a lot from Victoria P. And
46:45
then Chris said, oh, I am Victoria
46:47
P. And then it was bam. It was
46:49
all on you. So how do you feel? I am.
46:52
You know, I,
46:53
I don't like conflict and I don't like confrontation,
46:56
but I'm learning to work through
46:58
it and learning to grow through it and to confront
47:00
it head on. And I tried
47:02
my best to do that tonight. And I think that, and that I was,
47:05
you know, I did better at communicating than, than
47:07
what I did before. And that I,
47:09
I think I squashed a little bit of it. Yeah. So
47:12
anyway, like, like Savannah had it in for you and I talked
47:14
to Alaya and Alaya said, y'all have mutual respect
47:17
for each other. And it's kind of like a very mature
47:19
situation, which I think is great because we
47:21
don't always see that. Exactly. We
47:23
didn't see that this season is fewer. So it's nice to hear that you guys have reconciled
47:26
and you're letting bygones, we bygones. Savannah
47:28
still has it in for you,
47:29
but not everyone, not everyone
47:32
likes you. Right. But she said you
47:34
talk in circles. So I feel like I want to give you the opportunity
47:36
to explain your, like, just
47:38
like be very matter of fact about
47:40
what it is. So I'm going to ask you very direct questions. Okay,
47:43
go ahead. I'm ready for it. I'm
47:45
ready for it. Did you guys know each other more than three hours? Yes.
47:48
Did you have fun in Vegas?
47:49
I had fun in Vegas. Where did you stay? I
47:51
stayed at shit. Where do we stay? Treasure
47:54
Island, right? Treasure Island. Did you room
47:56
together? No. Okay.
48:00
Is there picture evidence? There's picture evidence.
48:02
Okay. Yeah. No
48:04
shame in the fact that I knew her, I had verbalized that to appear that we
48:06
knew one another. As
48:10
far as being friends, I couldn't tell you her favorite color,
48:12
what her mom's name is. Yeah, you weren't close. Car she
48:14
drives, where she went to school, what she does for a living.
48:16
I mean, honestly, I...
48:18
No, we weren't close. This is what I'll equate it to.
48:20
You guys are all close right now, but a year from now,
48:22
you're not going to be the same. Yeah. It's
48:25
sad. Exactly. Yeah.
48:30
I know her, I've been around her, but I'm
48:32
not close with her. She's not one of my closest friends.
48:34
Exactly. See how we cleared that up? Yeah.
48:37
And just
48:37
like that. Yeah. So what's
48:39
next for you? What are you doing right now? So I work full time
48:42
as a nurse. So still doing
48:44
that. I don't think that reality TV,
48:46
but I have a future in that. I can't see myself.
48:50
I can't see myself doing that in the future, but
48:52
I hope that that love is
48:55
somewhere in between. Well, that is the most
48:57
honest thing I think that anybody has
49:00
said. So thank you for that on this podcast because
49:02
you don't see people come from the show and say, you know what? I
49:04
don't think it's, there's a future in it for me. So you wouldn't do
49:06
paradise. I wouldn't do summer games.
49:09
I'm just saying that I wouldn't. So my mom
49:11
nominated me for the bachelor in the first place. Oh,
49:13
that's so cool. I'm like, hey mom. Yeah.
49:16
Hey mom. Yeah. Anyway.
49:19
But yeah, so Cindy nominated me and this is just, this has been a great experience,
49:21
a learning experience, but yeah,
49:24
I don't, I don't know what's next, but I will say I'm
49:27
not, I don't know what's next,
49:29
but I don't know if I will do. You got to think
49:32
about it. You're going to weigh out your options. Do
49:35
you have any regrets then from the season?
49:37
You know, I, I wish that, and there were
49:39
times I wish I'd been more direct, like
49:41
you and I, I wish I had been better at communicating,
49:44
but I'm learning how to communicate better. I
49:47
am an empathetic person and I think it's part of my
49:49
nature and who I am as a human being. I'm
49:51
a professional obviously, and just
49:54
the way that
49:54
I grew up to just
49:56
kind of like brush it off and give someone kind of Saint Grayson.
50:00
I'm
50:00
kind of taking a hit in that and I'm learning that it's
50:03
okay to stand up for myself and it's okay
50:05
to have healthy confrontation and conflict
50:07
and to work through that. And I think it's
50:09
okay to say I made a mistake. I own it. I
50:12
didn't handle it the best. We
50:14
all can say that coming from this opportunity.
50:17
Yeah. And I did it. There
50:19
were many things. And I beat
50:21
myself about it and I've gotten hate mail
50:23
because of it. And I've really,
50:26
but it's been challenging for me, but it's
50:28
also been a growing experience and a learning experience
50:30
through that.
50:30
Did I
50:32
know a lady before this? Yeah, I
50:35
never denied that. Were we friends? No,
50:37
I'd say we were more acquaintances, but
50:39
I should have clarified more
50:41
and I should have communicated more with her. And your defense.
50:44
Peter just always asked the most direct questions.
50:47
So that's why I was like, you know what, we're just going to go right
50:49
to it. So anyway,
50:52
everybody knows that there are no more questions
50:54
about it. It is what it is. And they moved
50:56
on. So you guys need to move on as well. Yeah,
50:58
absolutely. And I think I will say everyone
51:01
move on and I hope that everyone
51:03
treats Aleya with kindness and respect and
51:05
love and generosity regardless.
51:08
There's no side to choose as far as I'm concerned. And
51:10
I think we're there. Yeah. And
51:12
you know, it's been great. Like women, women
51:14
till all started off real hot, like on a level 305 and
51:17
things just kind of
51:20
like died down a bit. And
51:22
then you saw that there was this camaraderie
51:25
camaraderie between you guys.
51:27
And I think that that was special because as a
51:29
viewer, we saw none of that. And
51:32
so I think you all, you guys always just like, you know
51:34
what hindsight's 2020. We made some
51:36
mistakes, but we all went through
51:38
a shared experience and you're going to hold
51:40
on to that. We were all different and we all
51:42
have our differences, but we could all
51:44
see it in unity and hand
51:46
in hand say that we are, um,
51:50
that we stand together against hate and,
51:52
uh, against a better future and,
51:55
um, can like bike on, see if I can get into, you know, I don't
51:57
even want to ask you another question. That was beautiful.
51:59
the way he's just ended that. I was gonna ask you
52:02
about the season, but it's like, you know what? Yeah, like
52:04
let's just be better. Yeah, I think that we
52:06
can always see better. There's always room for growth. And
52:09
like I said, this has challenged me to be better. And I
52:11
don't know what's ahead, but I know that this
52:14
has challenged me to be a better Victoria P. And I'm
52:16
gonna be a better human being, a better spouse
52:19
and a better friend and
52:21
because of all of this. So thank you for sharing
52:23
that. And thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you.
52:25
Now I lied to you guys and I don't do this often,
52:28
but when I do, it's for a good reason. I
52:30
told you my final guess was Victoria, but
52:32
it's actually Mr. Weber. Peter,
52:35
welcome again to Bachelor Happy Hour. You're
52:37
becoming a regular. Yeah,
52:38
what's going on? It's good to be here. Thanks for having
52:40
me. Can we have an honest talk? I would love that.
52:42
I'm upset. Why? Because I
52:45
was rooting for you. Wait,
52:47
what? We were all rooting for you. It's not over
52:49
yet, what's wrong? This is why I remember when we talked
52:51
and I was like, man, Peter, out of anybody
52:54
who's, since I've been watching, I
52:56
want you to find your happiness
52:59
and to find love. And this
53:02
season has been frustrating for
53:04
me to watch. So I can only imagine what
53:06
it was like for you to be in it. And
53:08
I guess I just like am frustrated.
53:11
I'm frustrated for you. That's why I'm saying I'm
53:13
upset. Because at this point, I
53:16
have no idea what decision that you
53:18
made. And Chris tonight said, you
53:20
don't even know what the decision is, which as
53:23
a lawyer and being logical, I'm like, okay.
53:25
So that means maybe this is this, this is this. And we
53:27
can't figure it out. But
53:30
watching this last episode and you
53:32
being so honest
53:34
and forthcoming about how you feel
53:37
about who you are, it was very frustrating
53:39
for me to watch. You put
53:42
all yourself out there and then to get this
53:45
tidbit of information at
53:47
the very end. And I'm very curious
53:50
as to how you felt about it.
53:53
Are you talking about with Victoria? Talking about with
53:55
Madison. Oh,
53:58
okay. So maybe I should.
53:59
Like I guess I'm more so saying you
54:02
have been very upfront and
54:04
honest about like what you're going through
54:07
and how you feel, maybe even to a fault, but that's like
54:09
the beauty of you. It's a gift and a curse. And
54:12
for you to get this information at the
54:14
very end, which I feel like doesn't allow you
54:16
to fully have the right
54:18
mindset as you're going into
54:21
week nine, which is
54:23
insanely important. And
54:25
just to set the stage for everybody, week
54:27
nine is important, not because it's fantasy sweet week and
54:30
that's what it's entitled, entitled,
54:32
titled. It's that
54:34
it's the time that you get off camera to
54:36
really get to know somebody with no one else
54:39
around. It is precious, precious
54:41
time. And your mind is
54:43
all over the place for multiple reasons. And
54:45
you're trying to be sensitive to how everyone else is feeling. But
54:48
at the same time,
54:49
you need to
54:51
kind of know everything and you didn't until
54:54
the very last second. So I'm really curious
54:56
to know how you felt in that moment when
54:59
you got that information that maybe you could have gotten, I
55:01
don't know, week one.
55:03
Yeah, I mean, I don't know realistically if that's a
55:05
week one type conversation, but yes, in
55:07
a perfect world, I definitely would have, I wish
55:10
I could have known that sooner on, no doubt,
55:12
because that made that week
55:14
the hardest week of my life. And that
55:17
was not easy at all. But
55:21
I will say like, I
55:24
told all of the women from the very first night to,
55:27
I remember that, the toast, I said, be real
55:29
with me, share whatever is on your heart. I don't
55:32
care if you think I'm gonna like it or not, just,
55:34
I need to know that and you need to be able to express that to me.
55:37
And that's all that Madison was doing in
55:39
that moment. Yes, I would have loved for her to have done it
55:41
way sooner. I would have, but I can't
55:44
fault her. And if I do, I'm only a hypocrite of
55:46
her sharing what was on her heart. And she
55:48
did it in the most,
55:50
there was no easy way for her to do that. And I remember that conversation
55:53
like it was yesterday. It was tough for her and she was
55:55
struggling and she didn't want it to come
55:57
off. She was telling me what I had to do.
55:59
she was simply telling me where would put her
56:02
if I made certain decisions. And that I
56:04
have to respect and I can't fault her for.
56:06
You talked about her when
56:08
she shared that information with you about the ultimatum.
56:11
Yeah. I don't want to say ultimatum, but you didn't
56:13
feel like she was giving you an ultimatum, but she was sharing what was
56:15
on her heart in that moment in the hanger
56:18
when it was down to the final three. Do you ask yourself
56:20
the question, why didn't she also share that
56:23
she was saving herself for marriage
56:25
in that moment? Yeah.
56:28
Yeah. I don't know why she didn't decide
56:30
to share that with me. I truly do, whether
56:33
it's right or not, I feel like maybe that would have,
56:36
that would have meant something to me. I actually agree
56:38
with you. I know that information. I like
56:40
when we talk about it on the podcast, I make
56:42
the argument that I think that that information
56:44
was vital to you
56:46
to know what decisions you were going to
56:48
make going into that
56:49
week. Yeah. You're right. And I, obviously
56:52
her and I, we have different viewpoints
56:54
on that and that's fine. You know, we don't have to be like
56:56
in every single regard, but, um, yeah,
56:59
I wish she would have expressed that to me there. And
57:01
I think it would have had a little bit more gravity
57:04
there. And, um,
57:06
but what are you going to do? She didn't. Yeah. So tell
57:08
me how it ends. Well,
57:10
it's crazy. I
57:13
have personally asked to be placed next
57:15
to Barb at the finale.
57:18
I thought she was going to be here at women tell all she was
57:20
not. Yeah. A couple of her friends were honey bears
57:22
back in the day. Oh really? Um,
57:25
yeah. So what happens? Am I going to be mad? I'm
57:28
upset because I want whatever
57:30
happens. I'm like passionate. So it's not an upset.
57:32
Like I'm angry. I like you, you know, I
57:37
want it to work for you and I want you to be, I mean,
57:39
you can be happy even if you choose yourself at the end of this,
57:41
but I just, like when I see what's happening
57:44
towards the end, I, I entitled
57:46
our, um, he's saying entitled, I
57:48
titled our podcast for last
57:50
week. Can Peter catch a break? It
57:52
was the subtitle. Can we just give him one week
57:55
off? The answer is no. Oh God,
57:57
Peter. It's, it's, and I say, I mean,
57:59
I've said it a million. things happened until the last
58:01
second. And, um... Apparently they still are.
58:04
We'll see about that. Um, but...
58:06
Yeah, it was just very difficult for me in a lot of ways. Um,
58:09
and, yeah, the whole stuff with the Fantasy Suite
58:11
week, and that's just, that set the tone for a lot
58:13
of stuff. It was, it was super tough. But I
58:15
really can't say, like, right now, where I'm at, I am happy and
58:18
I am in a good spot. And...
58:19
So I'm not gonna be mad at the finale, is that
58:21
what you're telling me? Am I gonna be mad? At
58:23
this point, everyone has so many opinions and you
58:25
can't please everyone is what I'm learning, so I don't
58:27
know. But we're talking about me. We're worried about
58:29
me. Okay. Big sis
58:31
here. Big sis. Um, you know,
58:33
I think, I can sense, you know, some overprotective
58:36
tendencies here, which I appreciate, and I love that,
58:38
so thank you. You're welcome.
58:39
Um, Liz, I know you want the best for me, and, um, I'm
58:42
in a good spot. So I think... Okay. I
58:45
think that'll be good. I can, I can hold on to that, okay? Yeah.
58:48
That'll get me through till the finale. Yeah. Come
58:50
see me... You're not gonna be mad at it. Come see me, though,
58:52
after that, though. Okay, I will. And you're not, what
58:54
I will say is you're not going to, like, and
58:57
doing what I needed to do, for sure. No, I
58:59
won't. I won't be mad at you for following your heart. Yeah. But
59:02
we'll see. Yeah. Well, we'll put
59:04
a pin in it there. Okay. Now, what I will say
59:06
about tonight, though, what was really refreshing was how
59:08
nice the women were. Right. Were
59:11
you shocked? Yes, I was. Why?
59:14
Well, because, I mean, I, I had never been in a room with
59:16
that many exes until then. I walk out, and I had a lot of nerves coming
59:18
into it. I just didn't
59:20
know how they'd kind of received me. You know, it's always
59:22
weird when you end a relationship, and that's the first time you see them.
59:25
But, no, I felt the love, like, crazy from them, and
59:28
just really sweet, kind words of encouragement. That
59:31
was really special and beautiful to me, and I thought that
59:33
was
59:33
awesome. I'll say it was awesome, too,
59:35
because the women we just know didn't
59:38
really get along, and there seemed to be so much cattiness, but
59:40
they all could agree.
59:42
You were the common denominator of what was good about
59:45
the season for them, so I thought that that was special. Like,
59:48
people can call you indecisive. Right. I've
59:51
said it myself. Yeah. because
59:54
of the way they reacted tonight, you did it right.
59:56
Yeah, and that was... Yeah, that means a lot.
59:59
Those words mean a lot.
59:59
I truly tried my best to
1:00:02
really, as much as I could, give each relationship
1:00:04
my full attention when I was with those women. And
1:00:06
seeing that they kind of, they saw
1:00:09
that as well and expressed that to me, that meant a lot.
1:00:11
And
1:00:12
I could feel good about that.
1:00:13
Well, I really want to keep asking
1:00:15
you questions, but you're not giving me what I want
1:00:18
because I want you to tell me how it ends. That's all you
1:00:20
want to tell me. And I just really thought we were on a different level,
1:00:22
Peter. You know, I've been invited to come over to the family
1:00:24
dinner. Yeah, we were on a
1:00:26
podcast. So don't ask me when we're on a podcast.
1:00:27
Nobody's here. I'm freaking out. No,
1:00:30
but you do seem happy. And
1:00:33
I always wish the best for you. And I guess
1:00:36
I'll just have to wait till next week, like
1:00:38
everybody else.
1:00:39
It's OK. This truly might be
1:00:41
the first kind of unspoiled in a while. So you know what? It
1:00:44
already is. I hope they enjoy
1:00:46
it. And I'm sure there'll be no shortage of opinions
1:00:48
just like the rest of this journey, but it's something that I'll
1:00:51
always remember and very grateful for.
1:00:52
Well, at the end of the day, I know you will handle
1:00:54
it well like you always do. Thank you. All
1:00:56
right. Thanks for being here. Well,
1:01:00
you guys, that was Women Tell All.
1:01:03
We brought you some great guests, more guests than I even
1:01:05
thought they were going to come through here. And people were actually
1:01:07
excited. I guess they haven't been listening to the podcast.
1:01:10
No, but everything was great. It was all
1:01:12
love. I really enjoyed having
1:01:14
great conversation with the women. I
1:01:16
loved getting some insight from Peter. And
1:01:19
I
1:01:20
mean, next week, you guys,
1:01:22
is the finale. I have no idea what's going
1:01:24
to happen. I know it's going to be good.
1:01:27
I know you better tune in and come back here. I have no
1:01:29
idea who's going to be sitting in the hot seat. But
1:01:32
that's because we don't know how it ends. So stay tuned.
1:01:35
Thank you for joining. And I feel like I should say,
1:01:37
you're welcome. And don't forget, you can subscribe
1:01:39
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